Virginity On the Auction Block
An entrepreneurial young woman's virtue will go to the highest bidder. Is she empowering herself or exploiting herself?
That a controversy exists at all over this auction is itself a sign that virginity is not as culturally insignificant as Dylan and her supporters seem to think. Granted, Western society is long past the days when girls were married off by their parents shortly after entering puberty to ensure they were virginal. Grooms’ families no longer demand dowries which are forfeited if there are no bloody post-coital sheets to prove the bride’s virtue on her wedding night.
Virginity, in Western society, is now less about a physical condition and more about a psychological experience, a rite of passage. As such, it is a moment in a woman’s life that our culture continues to treat as significant. Singers like Deanna Clark in “Strawberry Wine” and Vanessa Carlton in “White Houses” reminisce — seemingly years after the fact — over their first sexual experience.
From The OC to The Gilmore Girls, and all the countless other television shows in between, we’ve watched teens lose it in prime time. While the morality of the moment has been treated in a variety of ways, one thing has remained constant: it is always part of a “very special episode.” An entire genre of popular literature, the romance novel, draws its monetary lifeblood from heroines carefully guarding their virginity until they meet the alpha male to whom they choose to give it to.
Indeed, it is our society’s view that virginity is mostly a psychological condition which separates us from societies we consider barbaric. Consider, for instance, the deadly result of treating a woman’s virginity as a thing of value: as with all “things” it must be owned by someone. In the shame-based Islamic societies, that thing — the physical condition of virginity — is such a valued commodity that even the suspicion of its loss has been used to justify the rape, disfigurement, and “honor killing” of women.
It is disturbing, then, that a young woman who plans a career in the mental health field cannot see there is more to virginity than a mere fleshly barrier. That she believes herself capable of attaching no psychological significance to the moment is alarming. Yet such artless self-delusion is often the hallmark of a virgin: having no experience in matters of sexuality, they believe themselves masters of it already.
In as much as Natalie Dylan and her supporters seem to think her auction is somehow empowering, somehow clever and worthy of applause, they overlook one thing: she is not merely selling her physical condition as a virgin. She is also selling an irreplaceable moment in her lifetime that our culture believes should have some psychological import. The fact that she says that moment is meaningless speaks volumes of how little virtue she possesses in the first place.
Yes, her body is hers to do with as she pleases. But the same can be said of any woman who hops from bed to bed: it’s her choice, but that doesn’t mean she’s not a slut. And that, ultimately, is what Natalie Dylan’s first sexual experience boils down to. She’s just looking to make more money at being a slut than your average street hooker.
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112 Comments
1. Jeb:Why should you, I, or anyone not directly involved in the transaction care?
Jan 23, 2009 - 1:13 am 2. Harsh Reality:Filthy little tart.
This is the state of modern parenting.
Jan 23, 2009 - 1:37 am 3. Emma:I agree with Jeb. Only two people have to be okay with the idea – Natalie and the highest bidder.
Jan 23, 2009 - 1:50 am 4. jvon:I think any man who will pay $2.5 million to sleep with this woman (or, frankly, more than a couple hundred bucks) should have his head examined.
Jan 23, 2009 - 2:00 am 5. vivo:A virgin at 22?
Jan 23, 2009 - 3:19 am 6. Tony R:Wow – shock headline of the year:
“Woman opens her legs to man for material gain”
At the end of the day if she is a consenting adult and the clown who will pay her for sex is a consenting adult then who cares? Since when did a whore and her trick become big news?
Jan 23, 2009 - 3:20 am 7. formwiz:Possibly because she may come to regret it and some of us believe we are not only our brother’s, but our sister’s keeper, as well.
We can only assume Jeb sees no problem with anybody’s kids playing in traffic.
Jan 23, 2009 - 3:49 am 8. Craig:“Her goal, she says, is to raise the funds to pay for her graduate education as a family and marriage therapist more efficiently than her sister, who worked for three weeks as a prostitute at the same brothel.
…the current high bid of $2.5 million…”
Heck, she doesn’t have to finish college- she can RETIRE.
Jan 23, 2009 - 3:55 am 9. Dave_T:Aside from the fact that this individual has absolutely no self-respect, this just drives home the point that in our celeb worshipping, reality TV society, some will do ANYTHING for a buck and 15 minutes of fame… Who is really being exploited here?
I say it is the stupid schmuck who pays a couple of mil for what will probably be a lousy lay.
Reminds me of marriage, just shorter…
Jan 23, 2009 - 3:57 am 10. WhyamInotsurprised?:Dear Jeb, you slacker ignoramus! It is a sad statement on the condition of our society when a young woman will resort to this for the sake of money. Also, I think it is pathetic that a person wanting to specialize in marriage and family counseling will do something like this. Does she think that this notoriety will garner her more clients in her chosen profession? I will say this, she is not a whore, she is just stupid, and apparently you are too. My bet is she will lose her virginity and wind up with no money given the kind of guys that are responding to this offer. $2.5 million, yeah right!
Jan 23, 2009 - 3:57 am 11. Kim Zigfeld:JEB: Perhaps because our daughters read the papers and we’d like to tell them how we feel about what they’re reading?
Jan 23, 2009 - 4:03 am 12. Paul - Indiana:This outrage surprises me coming from a society which murders unborn children.
Jan 23, 2009 - 5:13 am 13. Marie Claude:“She’s just looking to make more money at being a slut than your average street hooker.”
though she is the “real” slut, the others are escused, they do it for surviving
Jan 23, 2009 - 5:18 am 14. TomF:So what happens if there are “no bloody post-coital sheets”? Does the guy get a refund?
So just how does she plan on being a family and marriage therapist? For prostitutes or former prostitutes and their families?
Jan 23, 2009 - 5:23 am 15. fear Obama:I will pay 2.6 million if she will take a check.
** heh **
Jan 23, 2009 - 5:25 am 16. RE:This as this to the pile of mounting evidence that civilization has entered a retrogressive phase. No good can come out of a culture that cannot discern right from wrong.
Jan 23, 2009 - 5:36 am 17. Jonesy55:That’s the capitalist free market at work, everything and everybody has a price.
It doesn’t matter what value any third party such as the author places on this woman’s virginity, it’s the value that she herself and the potetntial consumers place on it that are the only relevant factors as it is only hers to sell and the monwy is theirs to spend.
Surely only a communist/collectivist would want to ban this woman from selling the skills and assets that she possesses for the price that they can command in the marketplace.
Jan 23, 2009 - 5:58 am 18. HardHeadedWoman:This is prostitution. Has it been legalized? She’s just getting started on her life path. She is a whore–plain and simple.
Jan 23, 2009 - 6:01 am 19. ken magalnik:I’m with Jeb on this one. I think claiming that the woman has no self worth is absurd. She seems to know exactly what she is worth, somewhere north of 2.5 mil. A great many will make less than that in their whole life. She is trading her “special moment” (or a moment that our society considers special, and I do wish that society would learn to mind its own business) for her education, which is her decision to make.
Most absurd quote
Jan 23, 2009 - 6:06 am 20. Ken:“Indeed, it is our society’s view that virginity is mostly a psychological condition which separates us from societies we consider barbaric.”
Really? Here I was thinking that it was about freedom of speech, or religion or something of the sort. Turns out I was wrong.
The law limits participants in this transaction to adults. If you’re not bidding, it has nothing to do with you.
If you think it’s right to restrict adult behavior because of what example it might set for children, you tacitly agree it’s right to live bound to whatever the prevailing sense of fashion, convention, religion, and whim.
My children are exposed to a whole host of behaviors I think wrong. A parent’s job is to teach our children about the world and reasons we think certain things in it are right, wrong, helpful or harmful.
The only reason this is in the media is that it’s about sex – which society is totally obsessed with. If some woman decides she want to sell her virginity and some guy wants to buy it, why is it your business?
Jan 23, 2009 - 6:10 am 21. deguello:This is an exceptionally honest young woman, who is doing openly, and shamelessly,what most women do: sell themselves to whomever can provide them with the highest standard of living.Whether we like to admit it or not,marriage is nothing but legally sanctioned whoring, were beauty is traded for money and status.This lady sells herself honestltly ,and in a way that brutally exposes the ugly realities of courtship and marriage in the U$A.
Jan 23, 2009 - 6:10 am 22. WR Jonas:She has already chosen her profession. The price will come down considerably as she ages and eventually she will try to buy her soul back.That may be a trick that is a bit more difficult.
Jan 23, 2009 - 6:36 am 23. Mack:How about a tongue lick for a buck? (ô¿ô)
I’m with vivo on this one, verify by a certified physician before transfer of funds.
Jan 23, 2009 - 6:37 am 24. Judi:Where is her father?
Jan 23, 2009 - 6:38 am 25. Paul from Hamburg:So this young lady wants to be a marriage counselor? Brilliant. What will she say when a couple walks into her office trying to salvage their marriage after the husband visited a prostitute?
Jan 23, 2009 - 6:48 am 26. grampa guy:So, if I’m neither the drug dealer nor the drug buyer, it’s none of my business? If I’m neither the robber nor the robbed? If I’m neither the aborter nor the aborted? Also, what should her professor of Marriage and Family Counseling conclude come grade time? That the tests and papers tell more about her grasp of reality than this real-life sorry enterprise? As is so often the case when I read an article and then peruse the comments:
Jan 23, 2009 - 7:11 am 27. Mina:I conclude that if Bin Laden would just let me eat pork and wear regular clothes, I’d have a tough decision on my hands.Other than the military, what is really left of our “culture?”
“Special moment” – rubbish! There is nothing special about the first time you have sex (unless you’re talking about especially awkward). I find it hard to believe that this woman is a virgin at 22, considering that she seems to know a lot about prostitution. If people want to pay for bad sex, it’s their choice. Remember: we who hop from bed to bed have a great deal more fun than sourpussed moralists like Katherine Berry.
Jan 23, 2009 - 7:20 am 28. candi:this young woman and the media are sick. i have a 9 yr old daughter and this is not how i want her to learn to make money. i want her to do it while working an honest job and while respecting herself. this lady has no respect for herself. it`s pathetic because it`s girls like this that our children try to be like especially in todays society when the economy sucks. all they can see is a quick buck. we need to bring back morals to this country and to all who live here. we need to save our children from sick bastards like this girl and the media.
Jan 23, 2009 - 7:37 am 29. Ann141:Prostitution is not that difficult to recognize. Why on earth is so much attention being paid to this story?
The whole thing is a commentary on her lack of character and a ready market for someone like her.
But of course, in a nation that has pushing God (the source of morals) out of the public square for 60 years, this should not be surprising.
I just love it (sarcasm) when a society that, on every level, wants nothing to do with God or structured morals screams bloody murder when their particular little “limit” is reached or something touches them. It’s like the drug dealers who complain when the cops don’t answer their 911 call fast enough. The rainstorm of immorality over this nation is going to get everybody soaked, doncha see? Once we’ve set up the conditions for the downpour, we don’t get to choose where it falls.
Jan 23, 2009 - 7:51 am 30. jerryofva:What I find hard to believe is that anybody would pay that much money for any kind of sex. I mean I enjoy it but a that price? Besides, from my limited experience with virgins it’s pretty bad sex.
Jan 23, 2009 - 8:03 am 31. deguello:Jerryofva: How much does marriage cost to the average male,and what kind of sex does he get? If any?
Jan 23, 2009 - 8:15 am 32. jerryofva:Let’s see. My wife and I both make 6 figures a piece. Marriage doesn’t cost me that much nor in today’s world does it cost the average man a lot of money since the average male has a working wife. But if he is not getting sex has several choices. He can find a girl on the side for free or he can visit a lady of the night for around $300 to satisfy his needs.
Jan 23, 2009 - 8:29 am 33. Dawn:This article and the commentary posted here is a sad confirmation of all Pope Paul VI predicted in Humanae Vitae. My heart breaks not only for the young men and women trying to navigate their way through life, but for those of us who no longer have eyes to see or ears to hear. Love is the highest and most difficult calling in a human being’s life. Our evident inability and/or unwillingness to pursue it marks what C.S. Lewis called the abolition of man.
Jan 23, 2009 - 9:05 am 34. JKB:Well, if exploitation is going to occur, I’m all for her doing it to herself.
The only thing this girl is doing that the multitudes of others who sold themselves before her didn’t do, is use the power of the internet to expand the pool of buyers and increase the price.
It is interesting that she is a prostitute for asking for cash but would she be call the same if she took up with an older man who paid for her schooling? Or married a guy who worked to put her through school then leave him?
Personally, I don’t think she is as progressive or open-minded as she thinks and will have to use a bit of the cash for therapy to come to terms with herself but she might need that more if she hooked up with a sugar daddy for two or three years.
Jan 23, 2009 - 9:13 am 35. candi:i have an answer to a old age delima for women. women complain about men not taking them seriously and not respecting them well this girl is the reason why. it`s women who degrade themselves, and allow themselves to be degraded are the ones who are letting men treat us with no respect. i know not all women are like this but it holds true just as with women who think poorely of men. all it takes is one bad egg and the whole gender gets a bad rap.
Jan 23, 2009 - 9:38 am 36. candi:i think right now men are bidding on her not simply for her “virginity’ but now it has overblown into the bragging rights. the winner of the bid will have bragging rights but will he actually have much to brag about? i hope the dude is not married cause i don`t see where she is worth ruining a marriage.
Jan 23, 2009 - 9:43 am 37. Steve P.:“How conveniently they ignore that such an argument ultimately objectifies us all, turning every person into little more than a walking bag of flesh to which a price tag should be affixed.”
Welcome to free-market capitalism, genius. What do they call it when you follow a life-devaluing, amoral economic ideology but simultaneously support a virginity-obsessed, family-values-centric philosophical/spiritual ideology?
Oh yeah…hypocrisy.
Jan 23, 2009 - 9:48 am 38. David S:Sounds like this young lady discovered an alternative financial aid “package”.
More power to her for making the most of her first time. If done in a safe and legal manner, it’s her choice to make.
Peace.
DS
Jan 23, 2009 - 9:56 am 39. now i get it:Her goal, she says, is to raise the funds to pay for her graduate education as a family and marriage therapist more efficiently than her sister, who worked for three weeks as a prostitute at the same brothel.
aha, let me guess. her sister is now employed as a family mental health counselor for alabama’s children’s services. that system’s abwhorish methodology for empowering young females finally makes sense.
Jan 23, 2009 - 10:01 am 40. FREE:Prostitute!
Jan 23, 2009 - 10:24 am 41. momof3:Whore, whore, whore.
So what? Women (and their parents) have been auctioning off their virginity to the highest bidder for centuries, via marriage. Honestly I would rather have got the cash for mine, than the big fat nothing I ended up with out of the deal. It’s no one’s business but hers and the bidders (and probably the IRS).
We are not our brother’s and sisters keepers in their own bedroom. Adults can do as they wish with their bodies.
Jan 23, 2009 - 10:27 am 42. Brian:I think most woman are simply upset that they didn’t think about it first and gave it away for free. How many woman in this day and age actually stay with their first? How many look back on the experience fondly? Sure its the topic for teenage girl romance novels, but then those are just books and RARELY come close to reality. Cinderella is a story most little girls have read as well, how many here think that is close to reality?
Jan 23, 2009 - 10:31 am 43. momof3:This woman is selling an action for a great deal of money. Now I cannot understand why a man would be willing to pay that sum for such a thing, but to each his own.
The woman isn’t selling a part of her body (a pound of flesh) as the author describes, but rather an action. Which we all prostitute an action everyday to our employer. We trade a part of our preciously short lives in exchange for that paycheck.
And it’s being done in Nevada where hooking is legal. And it has nothing to do with our current morals. Remember Mary Magdalene? Whores have been around since mankind has. And over 50% of women marrying in puritan new england (since we’re talking morals) were pregnant, according to comparisons of marriage and birth records. So let’s not get all indignant like this is new.
Jan 23, 2009 - 10:33 am 44. David:She’s a temporary virgin (if, indeed, she is one), but she’ll be a whore forever.
Jan 23, 2009 - 10:46 am 45. Pat J:Only an idiot would spend 2.5 million dollars for a sexual encounter with a 22 year-old virgin.
Jan 23, 2009 - 10:52 am 46. Kevin:The action will happen in Nevada, more specifically at the infamous Moonlite Bunny Ranch. She’ll get paid provided she doesn’t get cold feet. She will eventually regret all the publicity this has generated as this will kill almost any possibility at a “normal” life. But if she enters the adult entertainment, well it won’t hurt. It’s legal so get over it. She isn’t your daughter.
Jan 23, 2009 - 11:33 am 47. JackT:I heard it was up to 3.8 mil now. What the hell is up with that? And how do you know she’s really a virgin, there’s no foolproof way to determine this. Vaginas come in all shapes and sizes with different degrees of hymen development. Anyway, it’s still prostitution, which btw should be legal. Not those scummy street walkers, but the upscale kind. But 3.8 mil is insane. Depending on how she looks, her personality and back ground, I’d say five grand tops. Ten if she’s really a virgin.
Jan 23, 2009 - 11:51 am 48. newguy40:A nice post by Dawn and I could not agree more.
I read that she decided to “…create her own system of morality.” If it were only that simple.
Jan 23, 2009 - 11:51 am 49. Marc Malone:I find it amusing that so many here express such contempt for women, saying that they’re all whores. Do you honestly think that all women bring to a marriage is sex? Please. That is true for some, but that’s a small minority.
Btw, the whoring may be legal in parts of NV, but the solicitation is going out via the Internet. Is that legal. It’d be funny if they bust her for solicitation before she can ever go through with it.
This is a real-life version of the old joke:
Guy propositions a girl in a bar – “Would you sleep with me for a hundred bucks?” “No!” “Would you sleep with me for a thousand bucks?” “No!” “Would you sleep with me for a million bucks?” “Well… yes.” “Would you sleep with me for two thousand bucks?” “Hey, what happened to the million bucks?” Well, we’ve established what you are. Now, we’re negotiating price.”
Jan 23, 2009 - 12:06 pm 50. Mike T:Bovine excrement. This sort of thing has been with us since arguably before we even discovered agriculture. There’s a reason it’s called “the oldest profession.” If there is anything to be outraged about it is the fact that some man is actually willing to spend $2.5M for some slut’s virginity. What a waste of money.
Jan 23, 2009 - 12:12 pm 51. Cato:As legal matter, I have no problem with this as it’s in Nevada where prostitution is legal.
Just because one can do something does not mean one ought to, however.
To even consider this is to show she has no honor, nor any hope ever of understanding what honor is.
Even if she manages to maintain her anonymity, and she (plus the other parties legally involved in the transaction and the IRS which will be a major beneficiary) alone knows, she will always be a whore.
A slut can change and cease to be a slut, but once a whore, always a whore.
Jan 23, 2009 - 12:13 pm 52. Cato:Marc – that’s a story attributed to Winston Churchill speaking with Lady Astor: He: “Madame, would you sleep with me for a million guineas.” She: “Certainly.” He: “How about a hundred guineas?” She: “What sort of woman do you think I am?” He: “Madame, we have already established that. Now we’re merely higgling over the price.”
Jan 23, 2009 - 12:18 pm 53. Broadsword:Are there other acts she will refuse to do for less than certain amounts of money? Was there a reserve price on the bidding? If she believes what she says,”…college taught me that…(virginity)…is just a tool to keep the status quo intact,” why must she go to Las Vegas? Just to be legal? A legal what? Will she do this on pay per view? If not, why not? If she believes she “owns her body”, can she sell herself into slavery somewhere? (Hint Dylan, try that deserty country where women not allowed to drive cars).
Jan 23, 2009 - 12:59 pm 54. Mikey:If this is on ebay, I would be REAL LEERY of getting a 2nd chance offer. LOL
Jan 23, 2009 - 1:00 pm 55. Steve P.:Cato,
It was Groucho Marx who said that, not Winston Churchill.
Jan 23, 2009 - 1:01 pm 56. Ann141:38.David
She may be a young woman.
She is definitely not a lady.
Jan 23, 2009 - 1:02 pm 57. evenst4r:Hah this whole bit is too funny!
Jan 23, 2009 - 1:12 pm 58. Cato:The ONLY one truly qualified to deflower a virgin is another virgin. Money is irrelevant.
It has been variously attributed. The Churchill attributions are older than those to Groucho. I suspect the idea has been around in one form or another for since the ancient world.
Jan 23, 2009 - 1:34 pm 59. WR Jonas:The folks on this comment thread equating marriage with prostitution need to get some professional spiritual help. Prostitution is a crime of the soul. If this young womans soul is inclined to feel that there is no difference then hoe does she regard her mother?
Jan 23, 2009 - 1:58 pm 60. Marc Malone:Like I said, it’s an OLD joke. I’m sure others have used it before even Groucho.
And Cato, I’m not sure that it is legal. The Bunny Ranch is legal, because it’s outside the city limits of Las Vegas. The solicitation is via the Internet, however, so different laws apply.
Another old joke: “Hey, mister, you wanna sleep with my sister? She’s a virgin! No? You wanna sleep with my mother? She’s a virgin, too!”
Jan 23, 2009 - 2:01 pm 61. Michael:Those things that one will sell for money have no true value. If her virginity has no value I wonder if anything does.
In any event certainly not a story that will warm the cockels of one’s heart on the Hallmark channel.
Jan 23, 2009 - 2:18 pm 62. Cybergeezer:Prostitute? Whore? Look what “We The People are paying for Obama.
Jan 23, 2009 - 2:25 pm 63. Cybergeezer:We should put this sweet thing in the White House; Looks like she has more brains and business sense, and will work for less.
Jan 23, 2009 - 2:28 pm 64. Northern Light:Personally, I think the young lady is pretty smart.
The guys bidding on this are pretty stupid.
Jan 23, 2009 - 2:30 pm 65. Delia:Uhhhhhhhhm. Isn’t this prostition? *cough*
Honey, that’s your face up there. I don’t know how ‘anonymous’ you think you’re being but you can always change your name. Your face? Not so much.
The masters degree isn’t going to mean a whole lot when people are laughing behind their hands at you.
Good grief.
Think of your future children’s sake!
AHHHHHHHHH!
ST00PID!
Jan 23, 2009 - 3:28 pm 66. Knights13:The guy who is paying over two million can get hundreds of virgins with that money. He needs to check out the market first and get more competitive prices.
Jan 23, 2009 - 3:48 pm 67. ShyAsrai:the ‘House’ will get their cut. 50%?
the sheer crass merchandising of one’s self to this extent, be it forced or voluntary, is a sad, sad thing.
Jan 23, 2009 - 4:05 pm 68. gordo:I doubt if she is a virgin and I apologize for the following visual, but I hope the moron lasts for hours, has bad breath, and slobbers all over her.
Jan 23, 2009 - 4:30 pm 69. Vic:Jesus paid with His life to give this young woman more than 2.5 million could ever buy.
Jan 23, 2009 - 5:24 pm 70. Patterson:She is not selling her viginity. She is selling the blood of her saviour. Pray for her… Ask God to change her heart… Look at our own lives and see what we sell for… It might be a lot less…..
Who cares…its her life.
Jan 23, 2009 - 5:31 pm 71. WhyamInotsurprised?:To those criticizing those who think the woman is doing the wrong thing and are simply voicing their opinions:
Jan 23, 2009 - 5:32 pm 72. Don:1. no one is saying she cannot do what she wants, i.e. restricting freedom
2. comments only point out how both sides, seller and buyer, are not realizing that actions have consequences.
Sounds like a lot of true liberals who hate big business but when it comes to actions that are morally wrong suddenly become believers in capitalism. Talk about hypocrites! “Oh wow, everyone is doing, always have, so what’s wrong if she does it?” “She is sooooo smart!”
David S. – quit with the “Peace” signoff you pompous a*s!
This is free advertising for prostitution. Why not do articles on all young neighborhood whores?
Jan 23, 2009 - 5:36 pm 73. Janice:Oh, right, because she is in college, attractive and white.
$2.5 Mill? I guess I didn’t charge enough my first time!
I wonder if that popular Muslim plastic surgery to restore virginity would let me get some of that action?
How much does the surgery cost, about a couple grand? For two and half million it would be worth a couple days of being sore.
Jan 23, 2009 - 5:40 pm 74. momof3:Anyone who is so offended by equating marriage with prostition obviously doesn’t know their history. Women-and men if less than rich-had NO say in who they married until very recently. It sure as hell wasn’t for love. A family with an attractive virgin daughter could marry her off better and up their standing in the world. If that’s not prostituting your daughter, I don’t know what is.
I suppose it’d be better if she lost it with some teenager at her high school like most girls, for nothing more than a kiss? That’s more “honorable” somehow?
Jan 23, 2009 - 6:04 pm 75. cameltoe:And I thought my twenty bucks would hold up, silly me…Oh well!!! What do you get for two and a half mil, half and half, or just a straight lay? Are drinks included?
Jan 23, 2009 - 6:14 pm 76. Marie Claude:“I think me and the person I do it with will both profit greatly from the deal.”
I misinterpreted the word “slut”, it’s too weak, “whore” is the exact term
Jan 23, 2009 - 6:34 pm 77. LennyB:I have always thought that there is no amount of money that is worth losing the kind of virginity one loses in prison. $2.5 million is, however, quite a lot of money. She ought to pounce on that. As it were.
Jan 23, 2009 - 6:56 pm 78. vivo:Women have been selling sex for thousands of years. Is there a hint in there? Women figured out that men cannot get all the sex or variety they want (some women have gigolos). The sex trade has been legalized in many countries. Is there a hint in there?
Apparently the moral part has been eliminated. Catholics do it all the time: sin, then repent, repeat (proves there is no god).
One big problem is STD’s. Legal prostitution requires medical check ups.
One question I have is: Is this going to create a trend? Virgins and non-virgins auctioning sex on eBay and everywhere else? Remember the law of supply and demand . . .
Jan 23, 2009 - 8:19 pm 79. Dealia:Okay…
HOLDDDDDDDDDD UP!
Men are the biggest whores/sluts in the freaking universe…they spread their seed faster than plants can get their pollen on!
If a young buck could sell his ’supposed’ virginity for buko bucks…oh hell to the yes, he would (over and over and over). -And, ya know what the lad would get? A few “WHOOT WHOOTS!” and a pat on the back for being a ’stud’.
Double standards much?
A much too much.
Both sorts disgust me.
Close your legs, keep your knickers on and clean your act up. Please. It’s a genital JUNGLE out there!
Jan 23, 2009 - 10:17 pm 80. Harsh Reality:Paul – Indiana: Go back to the stone age, you brain-dead hick.
Jan 23, 2009 - 11:43 pm 81. Delia:What happened to my post calling out men as bigger whores?
:\ LAME.
Jan 24, 2009 - 1:12 am 82. Marc Malone:#79 Dealia – Men aren’t sluts. There’s a biological imperative. The most dominant men get to breed, and thus strengthen the species. Being able to seduce great numbers of women “prove one’s fitness to breed”. Women seek to be beautiful, as it makes them more “fit to breed”. Women necessarily must be more circumspect as to the actual act of sex, as they are the ones left with the consequences (babies). Two standards for two different biological imperatives. Men must open legs, and women must close them.
When a woman chooses the man’s way, she’s a slut. If she sells it, she’s just as bad, or worse. Women have traditionally held contempt for sluts and whores, because they give it up on the cheap, while better women are holding out for the whole enchilada. Sluts and whores undercut the marketplace, lowering the demand and price.
With women’s lib, their ability to control the consequences, and their ability to provide for themselves, the standard is changing. Sluttiness is normal, but whoring is still considered undercutting the marketplace, as the sluts are still hoping for the whole enchilada.
What I want to know is, why a good-looking girl like this is still a virgin at 22? Everyone accepts modern women having active sex-lives, so why hold out? For religious reasons? If so, why is she deciding now to cast those reasons aside in the most vulgar possible way? Something smells fishy.
Jan 24, 2009 - 1:13 am 83. Delia:Oh I see. I’m moderated if I say something anti man-whore.
My bad.
I shan’t be visiting this place any time soon.
Whatever.
Jan 24, 2009 - 1:13 am 84. roy@macarthur.com:0hhh, its a marketing campaign for the Bunny Ranch. Free press and publicity.
Jan 24, 2009 - 3:28 am 85. bs:Dawn@33, thank you for your thoughtful comment among a sea of shallow slogans and name-calling (see 88) which passes for rational commentary among leftists.
As you people get older, some of you may attain some level of maturity (yes, I’m an old fart and proud of it). One of the eternal verities you will learn is that there is no such thing as a reformed whore. Another, which I’m reluctant even to mention to some of you lest you actually believe me, is the deep satisfaction of raising children to become people that you are proud of. I can’t say if it’s more “fun” than bed-hopping, and I don’t really want to find out.
A lot of commenters have said that it’s nobody’s business but the two participants’. That’s simplistic. Many people will be affected – have already been affected – by this. How do her parents feel? What about the man she may marry one day, who might have married a virgin but will instead marry a whore? Will she lie to him about it? How will that contribute to their marriage? What about the children she may have – do you think they’ll be OK with the publicity? Other women who may be prompted to emulate her? Their parents, husbands, children?
You see, ultimately it’s about the kind of society we want to live in. If you don’t care, somebody else will choose.
Jan 24, 2009 - 5:15 am 86. Knighst13:“Men are the biggest whores/sluts in the freaking universe…they spread their seed faster than plants can get their pollen on!”
Yeah, I don’t know about the wild kingdom but the men in my life such as my grandfathers and father didn’t whore around or spread their seed. Neither was I brought up to just spread the seed around as much as I can. lol
I think Delia thinks only women view man whores negatively which is not true.
Jan 24, 2009 - 8:37 am 87. Roy M:A brothel in Nevada set up a publicity stunt “auction” as part of a marketing campaign. Various media outlets, including PJM, report this as “news”. It’s the kind of “news” that the media outlets love because sexual controversy attracts more veiwers/readers and more advertising revenue/clicks. They don’t even have to do any work to get the story, just recycle the press releases from the brothel. The brothel gets its cut in the form of free advertising.
Everyone makes money. Everyone is happy.
Everyone, appart from the people who don’t like seeing their “news” outlets used to market brothels.
A decent jouralist: citizen or “mainstream”, wouldn’t bother to write a story about this. A decent media outlet wouldn’t publish it.
Jan 24, 2009 - 9:34 am 88. Fredrick Douglas:Oh yeah, she’s a virgin. Right….. Next!
Jan 24, 2009 - 10:33 am 89. Matthew:This is amazing. I think there are a whole pile of things going on in this story (assuming it isn’t a hoax, and it wouldn’t be the first: google ‘our first time hoax’). Obviously there’s the question of the morality of prostitution itself, and the looming question of whether this girl is allowing herself to be exploited (on very good terms, to be sure). Personally, I think that’s entirely up to her, and taking into consideration the truly vast amount of sex going on around the world at any given time (consensual and otherwise) any one instance that involves an exchange of money just doesn’t seem significant. But what about the other side – why is some guy (and I assume it’s a guy) willing to pay SO much for a bonk? Anyone with that kind of money could purchase a night of passion with a pretty hot babe any time he wanted, and more than once, so why THIS girl? Talk about the power of expectations! She’s famous now, sure. She’s also set herself up as a desirable and expensive sex object, and that’s gotta attract a few rich guys on that basis alone. But it’s interesting how pop/film stars can be transformed from losers (and lets face it, some of them really are losers) to desirable just by being the object of popular attention, and I wonder if that’s what’s going on here. She’s the only one doing this, she’s getting attention, so she’s therefore interesting. When (not if) it catches on, I reckon the bids will plummet because there’ll be nothing special about it any more. Sorry about the long post – I just think this is an interesting phenomenon. And no, I’m not at all interested in bidding even if I did have that sort of cash
Jan 24, 2009 - 5:24 pm 90. Yaakov Watkins:She is going to prostitute herself so she can be a family therapist.
I feel nothing but pity for her, her patients, and (whoever he may be) her husband.
We build ourselves into the person we will be. What a horrible foundation to build a life on.
Jan 24, 2009 - 10:08 pm 91. myth buster:How do the moral failings of individuals say anything about the existence of God? As for marriage, only a fool thinks of marriage as something cheap or temporary. A husband who pays for his wife’s education does so out of love. As for retaining virginity until marriage, why would one want one’s first time to be the best sex they’ll ever have? It should get better over time, as you two experiment with different ways to pleasure each other. Nevertheless, there ought to be a great deal of beauty inherent in PRESENTING your virginity to your new spouse (and this applies to both men and women). I use the word presenting because one has greatly gained by finding a worthy spouse, so the word “losing” would not be appropriate by any means. My parents have been faithfully married for 21 years; my mother was a virgin when she married. I never asked my father if he was, but I have no reason to think otherwise.
Jan 24, 2009 - 10:25 pm 92. Delia:LOL. I jumped the gun.
My sincerest apologies to all “man whores” of the word.
I s’pose if I give a few eye-batting furtive glances and coquettish blushes I might find some forgiveness. *fans self for no reason*
No?
Jan 25, 2009 - 12:40 am 93. SGT Ted:AH, the pinnacle of a Womyns Studies Education: Becoming a Whore as a blow to Teh Patriarchy! Self-parody at its finest!
Really, did anyone check to see if this was an Onion story?
Jan 25, 2009 - 6:35 am 94. TalkinKamel:I suspect this is a hoax.
If it isn’t, then the truly shocking thing about this story is that this poor, pathetic little skank wants to be a family counselor—and that people are going to be dumb enough to actually go to her for advice.
Jan 25, 2009 - 3:48 pm 95. Marc Malone:#92 Delia – Well, if you blush, fan, yourself, and speak in a self=deprecating, southern style, then I, bygosh, forgive you.
Seriously, though, cut us men some slack. Many do act as you say. Many others do not. The silent majority rule applies here. The quiet, steady ones make the better mates. Lots of guys are more evolved. Others can be domesticated. Don’t tar us all with the same brush. I hope you can get over your obvious anger and contempt. Lots of good men out there.
Special Note: most conservative men are not man-whores.
Jan 25, 2009 - 3:53 pm 96. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:It should be mocked, but would you think I was joking? Please spare me.
Some guys can’t get a break, when they go public. Have to stay on track with the banal minds.
The moderator knows what I mean.
Jan 25, 2009 - 7:45 pm 97. Jonesy55:“A lot of commenters have said that it’s nobody’s business but the two participants’. That’s simplistic. Many people will be affected – have already been affected – by this. How do her parents feel? What about the man she may marry one day, who might have married a virgin but will instead marry a whore? Will she lie to him about it? How will that contribute to their marriage? What about the children she may have – do you think they’ll be OK with the publicity? Other women who may be prompted to emulate her? Their parents, husbands, children?
You see, ultimately it’s about the kind of society we want to live in. If you don’t care, somebody else will choose.”
These opinions are un-american, in the land of the free a person can do what he or she wants with their own body.
Jan 26, 2009 - 3:48 am 98. Paul - Indiana:Re #80. Make your point rather than calling names.
Jan 26, 2009 - 7:48 am 99. Delia:Marc, I concur.
There are a lot of good non “man whore” (lol) men out there and a lot of good women who don’t sell themselves too for that matter. I was being overly snarky.
Have a nice day.
Jan 26, 2009 - 8:33 am 100. Skeptic:When a woman sponsored by Howard Stern has a press conference to make such an announcement, and the “sale” is to “close” in a Las Vegas brothel where her sister works, why should anyone believe anything she says about herself?
How many false bidders are driving up the price for the sucker being born this minute? There are plenty of good topics for honest debate about morality, but this is no more real than the lady who turns into a gorilla at the state fair.
Jan 26, 2009 - 10:57 am 101. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:After giving it considerable thought, it still bugs me that the PM moderator chose to censor me and let this story become public domain. I suppose he or she thought my depiction of what the story conjured up in mind was worse than exposing the public to the real act, no matter what happens. A double standard seems to be forming with the media. It’s okay to present vulgarity, just don’t reciprocate it.
If I do say so myself, my mockery of the story gave me a little chuckle when I was creating it. I will post I again in the hopes that the moderator will reconsider passing it on to the public. It isn’t as reprehensible as the story itself, IMO.
I know two wrongs don’t make a right, but hopefully, in the near future, one of us will see the error of our way.
Jan 26, 2009 - 1:28 pm 102. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Does she have to sign a prenutual?
If he can get her passed the foresake-play, she’ll more than likely say, “Come here you handscum dumbbell.”
I’m sure she’ll be in eckstacy when he eekjaculates.
Yeah, I’m just jealous.
Jan 24, 2009 – 10:16 pm
Jan 26, 2009 - 1:30 pm 103. Delia:Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish,
lol. I got P.O.’d and made a fool of myself for thinking I was being censored.
Sometimes ya just got to be patient.
Yeah this story is pretty gross-factor but the Obama worship is er…”grosser”?
Jan 26, 2009 - 2:39 pm 104. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:Delia typed:
“I got P.O.’d and made a fool of myself for thinking I was being censored.
Sometimes ya just got to be patient.”
I sort of gave up hope after almost two days of waiting.
“Yeah this story is pretty gross-factor but the Obama worship is er…”grosser”? ”
Some people take it to a point of ad nauseam, just as much as the complaining can be.
If the identification with the president causes people to feel included, it can be a good thing.
I said, from the time he won the election, let him take a walk in the sunshine, that so many cherish. Only time will tell if he can rough the stormy weather ahead. Now is not the time to rain on his parade.
Forecasters are eagerly awaiting results from their predictions, though. And a trough of high pressure has stalled over the USA.
Just about the same as weather, if he can control politics, we’ve got nothing to fear but fear itself.
Jan 26, 2009 - 5:19 pm 105. ima virgin 2:I’ll give her $50 million for her cherry if she gives me $50,000,500 for mine. I need air fare to the Bunny Ranch.
Jan 26, 2009 - 7:59 pm 106. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:Just about the same as weather, if he can control politics, we’ve got nothing to fear but fear himself.
That’s more like it.
Jan 26, 2009 - 8:55 pm 107. Northern Light:O.K., since nobody has written in this joke, I think I will:
A man walks into a bar and announces “$2.5 million for any woman who will do it my way.” Of course there is an uproar and soon a beautiful woman says “O.K., you’re on.”
The two of them leave the bar and check into a hotel. As the woman is taking off her clothes she asks: “By the way, just what is your way?”
And the guy replies “On credit, baby, on credit.”
I know it’s a stupid joke, but so is this subject.
Jan 27, 2009 - 5:27 am 108. Robert Mayer:Wow, who cares? The fact that the author equates virginity with virtue is pretty sad, and by that logic, is obviously immoral herself. Let the girl make her own mistakes. Perhaps her situation can be used as a grander argument about the state of society, but if everyone just minded their own business, there would be no money in publicity seeking.
Jan 27, 2009 - 2:36 pm 109. Oscar the Grump:Pssst, can anyone loan me some money?
Jan 27, 2009 - 2:57 pm 110. dancingnancie:uhhhh how do we know she’s a virgin?
Jan 27, 2009 - 3:22 pm 111. Jack:OMG – for the first time in history a woman is going to have sex for money! Not.
Apr 15, 2009 - 4:54 pm 112. Felipe:Anyone who has ever met any older businessmen will know that women often and frequently sleep with men for money. And I’m not talking about prostitutes – I’m talking about the young, invariably slim and blonde, 2nd or 3rd trophy wives. I find it incredible to believe that these women are attracted to fat, old, rich men because of their charm and magnetic personalities. No – they are attracted by an easy and pleasant (ish) lifestyle. And if that means opening their legs to obtain that lifestyle then so be it.
Many people on this site seem very quick to judge “whores” but how many of you would call the legal wife of a friend or colleague a “whore” if you had suspicions that she only married him for his money? Well, to her face at a dinner party anyway?
Besides – no woman is worth $2.5m anyway
I agree with Jack. Its all about having an easy life. Why would she find a job and go to work everyday for some bucks if she can sell herself for a much more pleasant lifestyle? We all have the free will to do whatever we want. Its up to us to take the “wrong” or “right” road. In my opinion, even if she is not “harming” anyone with this (well, maybe the auctioner pocket), the road that she will take goes, in some ways, much like the road of someone who chooses to rob, trick, lie, or do anything to get moeny “the easy way”. I mean, people who thinks they dont need to work hard in life, people who thinks that they are “smarter” than the honest people. Sadly, most people think in themselfs ONLY. I am not saying that its the case of the girl, just that she acts like these people. Still, if she REALLY thinks that the only way to finish her studies is to do such a thing, good luck for her. I disagree, but its her life. I just feel sad that this kind of thing is almost normal nowdays. What the world has become?
May 29, 2009 - 7:21 amBesides – no woman is worth $2.5m anyway