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		<title>By: Pajamas Media » The Sky Is Falling — and Warming! Everybody Panic!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pajamas Media » The Sky Is Falling — and Warming! Everybody Panic!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But who&#8217;s to say how it will end? Will we be the cause of it? Will all those movies that chastise humans for trampling on the soul of the earth become reality and we&#8217;ll all die from global warming? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But who&#8217;s to say how it will end? Will we be the cause of it? Will all those movies that chastise humans for trampling on the soul of the earth become reality and we&#8217;ll all die from global warming? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: March Hare</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wall-e-a-gloom-e-satire/comment-page-3/#comment-68898</link>
		<dc:creator>March Hare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Gus3:

Well, either the audience fell asleep ~really~ quickly or they were caught up.  I didn&#039;t hear any snoring, either.  ;)

To Zigory:

I found the ending optimistic, especially if you watch the ending credits and see the Earth coming back to life, the rivers and plants restored.  But, you&#039;re right, kids who watch this on DVD without adult input might miss the message, especially preschoolers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Gus3:</p>
<p>Well, either the audience fell asleep ~really~ quickly or they were caught up.  I didn&#8217;t hear any snoring, either.  <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>To Zigory:</p>
<p>I found the ending optimistic, especially if you watch the ending credits and see the Earth coming back to life, the rivers and plants restored.  But, you&#8217;re right, kids who watch this on DVD without adult input might miss the message, especially preschoolers.</p>
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		<title>By: Zigory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zigory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the most important qualities Walt Disney’s movies, television programs, and theme parks imparted to me as a child, and to children everywhere, was a feeling of reassurance.

To a child, the sense of a system and society that is dependable and rational is extremely important to his feeling secure and optimistic, to his feeling free and motivated to learn and grow and become ambitious within that society.

The new Disney-Pixar movie Wall E is not at all in the spirit of Walt Disney’s movies. 

Above all, the problem with this film — and the fact that busy parents, or their child care providers, will one day buy the DVD and play it over and over for their children without watching it — is the message that the universe makes no sense and the future is dark and adults are incapable of dealing with their problems until long past catastrophe. This is not a reassuring message to children who love life and can’t wait to grow up and flourish. It is harmful.

As my 5-year-old son said, “That’s a Garbage Planet. That’s not Earth. Why are they calling it Earth?” He understands that Earth makes sense. People are rational beings.

I explained it’s a make-believe silly story about Earth in the future where, as my wife said, “people become stupid” and can’t get rid of garbage. (Even though they can create a spaceship to hold and feed the entire human population for 700 years). I reassured him and his sister that it’s ridiculous and that this is not going to happen in real life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most important qualities Walt Disney’s movies, television programs, and theme parks imparted to me as a child, and to children everywhere, was a feeling of reassurance.</p>
<p>To a child, the sense of a system and society that is dependable and rational is extremely important to his feeling secure and optimistic, to his feeling free and motivated to learn and grow and become ambitious within that society.</p>
<p>The new Disney-Pixar movie Wall E is not at all in the spirit of Walt Disney’s movies. </p>
<p>Above all, the problem with this film — and the fact that busy parents, or their child care providers, will one day buy the DVD and play it over and over for their children without watching it — is the message that the universe makes no sense and the future is dark and adults are incapable of dealing with their problems until long past catastrophe. This is not a reassuring message to children who love life and can’t wait to grow up and flourish. It is harmful.</p>
<p>As my 5-year-old son said, “That’s a Garbage Planet. That’s not Earth. Why are they calling it Earth?” He understands that Earth makes sense. People are rational beings.</p>
<p>I explained it’s a make-believe silly story about Earth in the future where, as my wife said, “people become stupid” and can’t get rid of garbage. (Even though they can create a spaceship to hold and feed the entire human population for 700 years). I reassured him and his sister that it’s ridiculous and that this is not going to happen in real life.</p>
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		<title>By: REM1</title>
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		<dc:creator>REM1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No way! I loved this movie!! (HATED Ferngully, btw). Eva and WALL-E are adorable and I agree that the environmentalism was really just background. The central part of this was the relationship/adventures of the robots. I didn&#039;t get a propoganda vibe at all.
Also, the ending was very positive and I LOVED the credits!! I guess it&#039;s hard for me to rant about something that seems to turn out ok in the end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No way! I loved this movie!! (HATED Ferngully, btw). Eva and WALL-E are adorable and I agree that the environmentalism was really just background. The central part of this was the relationship/adventures of the robots. I didn&#8217;t get a propoganda vibe at all.<br />
Also, the ending was very positive and I LOVED the credits!! I guess it&#8217;s hard for me to rant about something that seems to turn out ok in the end?</p>
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		<title>By: gus3</title>
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		<dc:creator>gus3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>::&quot;During the climax the theater, which included several small children, was ABSOLUTELY SILENT–a sign that we were all caught up in the moment, from seniors to youngsters.&quot;::

Caught up, or asleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>::&#8221;During the climax the theater, which included several small children, was ABSOLUTELY SILENT–a sign that we were all caught up in the moment, from seniors to youngsters.&#8221;::</p>
<p>Caught up, or asleep.</p>
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		<title>By: March Hare</title>
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		<dc:creator>March Hare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Mr. Smith see the same movie I saw this weekend?  I thought the overall message of the film, as well as the ending, was quite hopeful and upbeat.  And the mini-art history lesson during the ending credits (you have to pay attention!) was a nice touch.  Although kids might not understand it without adult help.

During the climax the theater, which included several small children, was ABSOLUTELY SILENT--a sign that we were all caught up in the moment, from seniors to youngsters.  That&#039;s not an easy thing to do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Mr. Smith see the same movie I saw this weekend?  I thought the overall message of the film, as well as the ending, was quite hopeful and upbeat.  And the mini-art history lesson during the ending credits (you have to pay attention!) was a nice touch.  Although kids might not understand it without adult help.</p>
<p>During the climax the theater, which included several small children, was ABSOLUTELY SILENT&#8211;a sign that we were all caught up in the moment, from seniors to youngsters.  That&#8217;s not an easy thing to do!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;They float through their troglodyte lives as unquestioning subjects of the master corporation (the same one that ruined the Earth) that houses them, distracts them and feeds them.&#039;

Sounds like welfare junkies under an Democratic government. Which would make the film a cautionary conservative tale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;They float through their troglodyte lives as unquestioning subjects of the master corporation (the same one that ruined the Earth) that houses them, distracts them and feeds them.&#8217;</p>
<p>Sounds like welfare junkies under an Democratic government. Which would make the film a cautionary conservative tale.</p>
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		<title>By: William Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, for goodness sake, the environmentalism in WALL-E is a MacGuffin: &quot;a plot device that motivates the characters or advances the story, but the details of which are of little or no importance otherwise&quot;, to quote Wikipedia.

The fundamental story is &quot;the last robot on Earth finds love and adventure&quot;; how he becomes that last robot on Earth and how that adventure is driven is of no importance: WALL*E could have been the last archaeology robot sent to find the Maltese Falcon statue--the story structure would have remained exactly the same, right down to the arrival of EVE and their return to the mother ship, and the adventure that follows.

The fact that environmentalism is used as a driving--both otherwise meaningless--plot device is quickly revealed when you start asking questions about the movie&#039;s structure: is consumerism bad? WALL*E, a product of that consumerism, finds value in collecting treasures--consumer products--in the piles of trash. And the trash itself: if humanity is so advanced they can launch people into space, couldn&#039;t they just launch the trash into space instead?

WALL*E is not Happy Feet: there is no coming together of characters questioning the evils of consumerism and a promise to do better. There is no lecture; the MacGuffin drives a bunch of rather funny images during the third act, but there is no moral value assigned to those images. And yes, I saw the film--and despite having an extremely low tolerance for environmental lectures and environmental hypocrites, I did not feel lectured at in any way.


You know, if you are nominally a film critic, you&#039;d think you&#039;d know a MacGuffin when one hits you in the face. Sadly, it appears Kyle Smith doesn&#039;t know what a MacGuffin is--which makes me question his effectiveness as a film critic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, for goodness sake, the environmentalism in WALL-E is a MacGuffin: &#8220;a plot device that motivates the characters or advances the story, but the details of which are of little or no importance otherwise&#8221;, to quote Wikipedia.</p>
<p>The fundamental story is &#8220;the last robot on Earth finds love and adventure&#8221;; how he becomes that last robot on Earth and how that adventure is driven is of no importance: WALL*E could have been the last archaeology robot sent to find the Maltese Falcon statue&#8211;the story structure would have remained exactly the same, right down to the arrival of EVE and their return to the mother ship, and the adventure that follows.</p>
<p>The fact that environmentalism is used as a driving&#8211;both otherwise meaningless&#8211;plot device is quickly revealed when you start asking questions about the movie&#8217;s structure: is consumerism bad? WALL*E, a product of that consumerism, finds value in collecting treasures&#8211;consumer products&#8211;in the piles of trash. And the trash itself: if humanity is so advanced they can launch people into space, couldn&#8217;t they just launch the trash into space instead?</p>
<p>WALL*E is not Happy Feet: there is no coming together of characters questioning the evils of consumerism and a promise to do better. There is no lecture; the MacGuffin drives a bunch of rather funny images during the third act, but there is no moral value assigned to those images. And yes, I saw the film&#8211;and despite having an extremely low tolerance for environmental lectures and environmental hypocrites, I did not feel lectured at in any way.</p>
<p>You know, if you are nominally a film critic, you&#8217;d think you&#8217;d know a MacGuffin when one hits you in the face. Sadly, it appears Kyle Smith doesn&#8217;t know what a MacGuffin is&#8211;which makes me question his effectiveness as a film critic.</p>
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		<title>By: Nanni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took my 5 year old grandson to see WALL-E.  He was enthralled.  He loved the Robots, the music and the little cockroach.  He liked that they were cleaning the trash and even caught the allusion to Monk (which we watch avidly).  He like that WALL-E had a girl friend named EVE. He said nothing about evil America, big corporations, pollution ruining our country, or liberalism.  Get a grip!  It&#039;s entertainment with a message.  So what else is new?  Great flick. Loved all the allusions. The big lesson is &quot;If you don&#039;t like it - you can fix it&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took my 5 year old grandson to see WALL-E.  He was enthralled.  He loved the Robots, the music and the little cockroach.  He liked that they were cleaning the trash and even caught the allusion to Monk (which we watch avidly).  He like that WALL-E had a girl friend named EVE. He said nothing about evil America, big corporations, pollution ruining our country, or liberalism.  Get a grip!  It&#8217;s entertainment with a message.  So what else is new?  Great flick. Loved all the allusions. The big lesson is &#8220;If you don&#8217;t like it &#8211; you can fix it&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering, (and no, I haven&#039;t seen the movie yet, but plan to)... if this is Pixar&#039;s little &quot;poke in the eye&quot; at their NOW &quot;parent&quot; Disney corporation, a la Dreamwork&#039;s &quot;Shrek&quot;??? Or was the whole BuyNLarge corporation just a convenient scapegoat to facilitate a story line without having to mention a particular form of political government???

Much easier to pin commercialism run amuck on a Big-Time corporate boogy-man, than call capitalism into question for producing &quot;too much&quot; garbage for the planet, and creating lazy do-nothing consumers! 

Whatever...all these comments have given me a great &quot;perspective&quot; to see this movie by. I can only hope, like most of you seem to think here, that the TRUE story line comes through...&quot;all the garbage&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering, (and no, I haven&#8217;t seen the movie yet, but plan to)&#8230; if this is Pixar&#8217;s little &#8220;poke in the eye&#8221; at their NOW &#8220;parent&#8221; Disney corporation, a la Dreamwork&#8217;s &#8220;Shrek&#8221;??? Or was the whole BuyNLarge corporation just a convenient scapegoat to facilitate a story line without having to mention a particular form of political government???</p>
<p>Much easier to pin commercialism run amuck on a Big-Time corporate boogy-man, than call capitalism into question for producing &#8220;too much&#8221; garbage for the planet, and creating lazy do-nothing consumers! </p>
<p>Whatever&#8230;all these comments have given me a great &#8220;perspective&#8221; to see this movie by. I can only hope, like most of you seem to think here, that the TRUE story line comes through&#8230;&#8221;all the garbage&#8221;!</p>
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