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		<title>By: Transterrestrial Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; That Which Is Not Seen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transterrestrial Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; That Which Is Not Seen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Manzi points out an excellent example of my piece on how those claiming to want &#8220;change&#8221; cling so desperately to the status quo, at the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason S</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/want-change-lets-try-truly-free-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-156362</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Rand actually say that &quot;the great struggle of history is between capitalism and socialism&quot;?

If so, I would disagree with her and point out that her philosophy does not suggest any such level of specificity. If that&#039;s what she said, she should of course have widened her net and pointed out that the great struggle of history is between the rational and the irrational. 

In fact I think this is the only struggle of mankind&#039;s history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Rand actually say that &#8220;the great struggle of history is between capitalism and socialism&#8221;?</p>
<p>If so, I would disagree with her and point out that her philosophy does not suggest any such level of specificity. If that&#8217;s what she said, she should of course have widened her net and pointed out that the great struggle of history is between the rational and the irrational. </p>
<p>In fact I think this is the only struggle of mankind&#8217;s history.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Sieckmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Sieckmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*cough* I always thought that Ayn Rand said that the great struggle of history was between capitalism and socialism?

Anyway...

You are right; we should be arguing for the limitations of government into any state affair; those limitations actually being that government should NEVER, enter into state affairs.

This means no federated monies through the federal reserve and treasury, no military adventurism that purchases vehicles from private corporations under unending contracts, and no labor laws.

The government&#039;s job is to sit in the corner, shut it&#039;s mouth, and not get involved unless someone&#039;s ACTUAL, constitutional rights are violated.

Put us back on gold, the government doesn&#039;t print any more money (only private banks competing for customers), and no more military adventurism.  And, when all of that is done; LOWER MY GODDAMN TAXES TO LESS THAN 10% OF YEARLY INCOME.  

When you start cutting out welfare, military adventurism, and corporate and union cronyism; it&#039;s a lot cheaper to live in America.  You know, since I was the one that WORKED for that money in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*cough* I always thought that Ayn Rand said that the great struggle of history was between capitalism and socialism?</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>You are right; we should be arguing for the limitations of government into any state affair; those limitations actually being that government should NEVER, enter into state affairs.</p>
<p>This means no federated monies through the federal reserve and treasury, no military adventurism that purchases vehicles from private corporations under unending contracts, and no labor laws.</p>
<p>The government&#8217;s job is to sit in the corner, shut it&#8217;s mouth, and not get involved unless someone&#8217;s ACTUAL, constitutional rights are violated.</p>
<p>Put us back on gold, the government doesn&#8217;t print any more money (only private banks competing for customers), and no more military adventurism.  And, when all of that is done; LOWER MY GODDAMN TAXES TO LESS THAN 10% OF YEARLY INCOME.  </p>
<p>When you start cutting out welfare, military adventurism, and corporate and union cronyism; it&#8217;s a lot cheaper to live in America.  You know, since I was the one that WORKED for that money in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennwriter</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/want-change-lets-try-truly-free-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-155404</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
Indeed. My neighbours are not the type of people who back up very well at all. They are kind, generous, heavily armed, and stone hard.

Bozoer,
N.O. is yet another corrupt city run by a Democratic political establishment. I doubt it has too many friends here.

I do agree that Republicans engaging in class warfare is extremely tacky. 

Suggestions to improve the situation?
1. PJM puts up an online petition with all their editors signing it first.
2. A POD book with a dozen authors taking on a chapter and slamming the bailout. It should be able to be written in a month. Then put an advert on every PJM page for it.
3. A YouTube video with SNL style with Pelosi and Reid chucking handfuls of cash down a black hole until houses and the city and the world is consumed. The duo peels off their suits to reveal themselves as evil aliens who ride off in a GM spaceship looking for other worlds to destroy.
4. PJM assigns a SF author the chance to write a very quick book on some alternate reality where bailouts have trashed the world. It promises to heavily promote it. Its POD. The book has to be first drafted in two months, and edited by an editor in three. I volunteer. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
Indeed. My neighbours are not the type of people who back up very well at all. They are kind, generous, heavily armed, and stone hard.</p>
<p>Bozoer,<br />
N.O. is yet another corrupt city run by a Democratic political establishment. I doubt it has too many friends here.</p>
<p>I do agree that Republicans engaging in class warfare is extremely tacky. </p>
<p>Suggestions to improve the situation?<br />
1. PJM puts up an online petition with all their editors signing it first.<br />
2. A POD book with a dozen authors taking on a chapter and slamming the bailout. It should be able to be written in a month. Then put an advert on every PJM page for it.<br />
3. A YouTube video with SNL style with Pelosi and Reid chucking handfuls of cash down a black hole until houses and the city and the world is consumed. The duo peels off their suits to reveal themselves as evil aliens who ride off in a GM spaceship looking for other worlds to destroy.<br />
4. PJM assigns a SF author the chance to write a very quick book on some alternate reality where bailouts have trashed the world. It promises to heavily promote it. Its POD. The book has to be first drafted in two months, and edited by an editor in three. I volunteer. <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wonderblog &#187; Abolish Capitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wonderblog &#187; Abolish Capitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article  provides an alternative:  I refuse to use the word “capitalism” in this context, because [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Daily Blogger - Tuesday, November 18th, 2008&#160;&#124;&#160;Jack&#8217;s Newswatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Blogger - Tuesday, November 18th, 2008&#160;&#124;&#160;Jack&#8217;s Newswatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pajamas Media &#124; Rand Simberg: Want Change? Let’s Try Truly Free Markets [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Shalit @ #29: Incorrect. The M1 and Stryker are made by General Dynamics Corporation. The M2 is made by BAE Systems. Various trucks are made by various non-Big-Three truck manufacturing companies. Only the Humvee is made by AM General, a division of AMC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Shalit @ #29: Incorrect. The M1 and Stryker are made by General Dynamics Corporation. The M2 is made by BAE Systems. Various trucks are made by various non-Big-Three truck manufacturing companies. Only the Humvee is made by AM General, a division of AMC.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogs For Victory &#187; Change, Real and Imagined</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogs For Victory &#187; Change, Real and Imagined</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Interesting: In her seminal book, The Future and Its Enemies, Virginia Postrel writes about the real political divide — not left versus right, but what she calls stasists versus dynamists. The former fear change and want to use government power to minimize it, if not eliminate it. The latter accept that improvements in the human condition require change by definition, and understand that the best way to ensure it is to allow individuals the freedom to make choices, with consequences, both good and ill, to be borne by them. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Interesting: In her seminal book, The Future and Its Enemies, Virginia Postrel writes about the real political divide — not left versus right, but what she calls stasists versus dynamists. The former fear change and want to use government power to minimize it, if not eliminate it. The latter accept that improvements in the human condition require change by definition, and understand that the best way to ensure it is to allow individuals the freedom to make choices, with consequences, both good and ill, to be borne by them. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bozoer Rebbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bozoer Rebbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo

Should have been 

&quot;more than 288,000&quot;

Also, since I used quotation marks, my aunt actually said, &quot;They sit on their tuchases&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo</p>
<p>Should have been </p>
<p>&#8220;more than 288,000&#8243;</p>
<p>Also, since I used quotation marks, my aunt actually said, &#8220;They sit on their tuchases&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bozoer Rebbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bozoer Rebbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sad to see supposed libertarians and conservatives engaging in class warfare and class bias over factory workers making a good living.

I&#039;d like to have $73.21 for every time I&#039;ve seen that figure for the total UAW compensation package. It&#039;s gone viral for sure.

But at least those UAW workers and others in the auto industry and its supply chain actually make stuff, create wealth, and contribute to GDP growth.

Focusing on the supposed sins of the UAW and their employers takes our eyes off a more fundamental problem, something that is truly statist.

Did you know that there are more than 288,888 federal civil service employees who make at least $77,500 a year in salary, with a cushy benefit package that is the envy of the UAW? Did you get a raise last year? Federal employees got 2.5%. While I&#039;m sure many of the 1.6 million non postal civilian federal employees work hard for our country, do we really need 300,000 GS-11s and above?

My aunt is a retired Social Security administrative law judge so she&#039;s pretty familiar with the civil service and federal bureaucracy. When I told her that there were that many GS-11s and above here response was: &quot;And what do they do for that money? I&#039;ll tell you. They sit on their asses.&quot;

What do all those GS-11s through GS-15s do to contribute to the GDP?

Just 1/5 of federal employees take over $23 billion a year out of the taxpayers&#039; pockets, not counting benefits, which probably double that sum.

Meanwhile, since 1981, the feds have spent 81 cents in Michigan for ever dollar Michigan has sent to the IRS. From 2000-2005 alone, Michigan&#039;s net loss of tax dollars is about $38 billion, 50% more than the bailout would cost. From 1981, the figure is closer to $200 billion. Where did that money go? Mostly to the south, for infrastructure, defense bases and defense plants. 

Now, we&#039;re spending $300 billion rebuilding New Orleans, which will still be below sea level and flood again.

I&#039;m all for fiscal conservatism and free markets but I&#039;m not a sucker. Sooner or later you begin to think, screw it, let us get our share because everyone else is reaching in with both hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad to see supposed libertarians and conservatives engaging in class warfare and class bias over factory workers making a good living.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to have $73.21 for every time I&#8217;ve seen that figure for the total UAW compensation package. It&#8217;s gone viral for sure.</p>
<p>But at least those UAW workers and others in the auto industry and its supply chain actually make stuff, create wealth, and contribute to GDP growth.</p>
<p>Focusing on the supposed sins of the UAW and their employers takes our eyes off a more fundamental problem, something that is truly statist.</p>
<p>Did you know that there are more than 288,888 federal civil service employees who make at least $77,500 a year in salary, with a cushy benefit package that is the envy of the UAW? Did you get a raise last year? Federal employees got 2.5%. While I&#8217;m sure many of the 1.6 million non postal civilian federal employees work hard for our country, do we really need 300,000 GS-11s and above?</p>
<p>My aunt is a retired Social Security administrative law judge so she&#8217;s pretty familiar with the civil service and federal bureaucracy. When I told her that there were that many GS-11s and above here response was: &#8220;And what do they do for that money? I&#8217;ll tell you. They sit on their asses.&#8221;</p>
<p>What do all those GS-11s through GS-15s do to contribute to the GDP?</p>
<p>Just 1/5 of federal employees take over $23 billion a year out of the taxpayers&#8217; pockets, not counting benefits, which probably double that sum.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, since 1981, the feds have spent 81 cents in Michigan for ever dollar Michigan has sent to the IRS. From 2000-2005 alone, Michigan&#8217;s net loss of tax dollars is about $38 billion, 50% more than the bailout would cost. From 1981, the figure is closer to $200 billion. Where did that money go? Mostly to the south, for infrastructure, defense bases and defense plants. </p>
<p>Now, we&#8217;re spending $300 billion rebuilding New Orleans, which will still be below sea level and flood again.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for fiscal conservatism and free markets but I&#8217;m not a sucker. Sooner or later you begin to think, screw it, let us get our share because everyone else is reaching in with both hands.</p>
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