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		<title>By: DomainDiva</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/were-going-to-need-a-bigger-tent/comment-page-3/#comment-412526</link>
		<dc:creator>DomainDiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My tent does not include those who peddle hate and are the pawns of the christian right. So I guess I can&#039;t go back to that conservative tent...it&#039;s a really scary place. Giving power back to the people should not mean that we have to be ruled by the dominionist ruling class of the christian right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My tent does not include those who peddle hate and are the pawns of the christian right. So I guess I can&#8217;t go back to that conservative tent&#8230;it&#8217;s a really scary place. Giving power back to the people should not mean that we have to be ruled by the dominionist ruling class of the christian right.</p>
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		<title>By: sheesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>109. Martin Knight:
&quot;Yep, sheesh; John Ensign is a good man … and so is David Vitter. Unlike the typical Democrat, they owned up to their failures to their wives before the Press got wind of it.&quot;

Wow, now that&#039;s that&#039;s a legitimate double standard. You sound like you&#039;re on Ensign&#039;s payroll, kind of like the son of his mistress. Tell me, do really think that Ensign and Vitter, inspired by conscience, chose to admit their fall from grace? Do you honestly believe that no one knew of their infidelities before they came forward? Have you forgotten about Vitter&#039;s name being found in the client list of the DC Madam?   As for Ensign, this odyssey is just beginning. 

Next time you get haughty, pick something that is at least plausible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>109. Martin Knight:<br />
&#8220;Yep, sheesh; John Ensign is a good man … and so is David Vitter. Unlike the typical Democrat, they owned up to their failures to their wives before the Press got wind of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, now that&#8217;s that&#8217;s a legitimate double standard. You sound like you&#8217;re on Ensign&#8217;s payroll, kind of like the son of his mistress. Tell me, do really think that Ensign and Vitter, inspired by conscience, chose to admit their fall from grace? Do you honestly believe that no one knew of their infidelities before they came forward? Have you forgotten about Vitter&#8217;s name being found in the client list of the DC Madam?   As for Ensign, this odyssey is just beginning. </p>
<p>Next time you get haughty, pick something that is at least plausible.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, sheesh; John Ensign is a good man ... and so is David Vitter. 

Unlike the typical Democrat, they owned up to their failures to their wives before the Press got wind of it, and they did not try to blame the woman or run a character assassination campaign against her. 

Compare and contrast the behavior of these two men to those paragons of liberal virtuousness; Jim McGreevey, Eliot Spitzer, Rod Blagojevich, etc.

Considering the already criminal nature of the Obama Administration, they seem like worthy successors to The One, don&#039;t they?

Think (not so sure you&#039;re familiar with the concept) about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, sheesh; John Ensign is a good man &#8230; and so is David Vitter. </p>
<p>Unlike the typical Democrat, they owned up to their failures to their wives before the Press got wind of it, and they did not try to blame the woman or run a character assassination campaign against her. </p>
<p>Compare and contrast the behavior of these two men to those paragons of liberal virtuousness; Jim McGreevey, Eliot Spitzer, Rod Blagojevich, etc.</p>
<p>Considering the already criminal nature of the Obama Administration, they seem like worthy successors to The One, don&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>Think (not so sure you&#8217;re familiar with the concept) about it.</p>
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		<title>By: sheesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know . . . somebody who could really rally the base and bring in new blood at the same time? He&#039;s young. He&#039;s smart. Good family man.  John Ensign. Think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know . . . somebody who could really rally the base and bring in new blood at the same time? He&#8217;s young. He&#8217;s smart. Good family man.  John Ensign. Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Dise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Dise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; However, I’m not a culture warrior conservative. Different thing altogether. 

Different only in what is under attack.  An economic conservative defends economic freedom; a culture warrior defends social freedoms -- specifically, parental prerogatives in child rearing, but not just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; However, I’m not a culture warrior conservative. Different thing altogether. </p>
<p>Different only in what is under attack.  An economic conservative defends economic freedom; a culture warrior defends social freedoms &#8212; specifically, parental prerogatives in child rearing, but not just that.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton E. Cramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton E. Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;The last time we had a vote, conservatives were in the minority.&lt;/I&gt;

Actually, that&#039;s not clear.  About 35% of Obama supporters thought of themselves as conservatives.  (Obviously not conservatives paying a lot of attention.)  Or conservatives who let race take precedence over ideology.  Blacks, for example, tend to be very socially conservative--strongly pro-life, and in the Prop. 8 election in California, overwhelmingly against gay marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The last time we had a vote, conservatives were in the minority.</i></p>
<p>Actually, that&#8217;s not clear.  About 35% of Obama supporters thought of themselves as conservatives.  (Obviously not conservatives paying a lot of attention.)  Or conservatives who let race take precedence over ideology.  Blacks, for example, tend to be very socially conservative&#8211;strongly pro-life, and in the Prop. 8 election in California, overwhelmingly against gay marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton E. Cramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton E. Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moderator: comment 101 was an attempt to quote someone, and I hit submit prematurely--as should be obvious from reading comment 102!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderator: comment 101 was an attempt to quote someone, and I hit submit prematurely&#8211;as should be obvious from reading comment 102!</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton E. Cramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton E. Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Bummer she didn’t think about that when she was slutting around. &lt;/I&gt;

This is neither completely accurate, nor particularly useful.  

There are kids who don&#039;t know what they are doing.  There are kids (and some women) who have little (or no) choice about whether to have sex.

There are women who have birth control failures.  I don&#039;t think this is even a large minority of abortions, but it &lt;I&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; happen.  It doesn&#039;t make abortion okay, but to say that &quot;she was slutting around&quot; is hardly accurate.

There are catastrophic fetal disasters: Tay-Sachs Disease; anacephaly; a few other relatively rare situations where I have a very hard time being too upset about an abortion.  These are a very, very tiny fraction of abortions, but they are truly disasters with no particularly wonderful results.  Equating these &quot;slutting around&quot; is simply irresponsible and unloving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bummer she didn’t think about that when she was slutting around. </i></p>
<p>This is neither completely accurate, nor particularly useful.  </p>
<p>There are kids who don&#8217;t know what they are doing.  There are kids (and some women) who have little (or no) choice about whether to have sex.</p>
<p>There are women who have birth control failures.  I don&#8217;t think this is even a large minority of abortions, but it <i>does</i> happen.  It doesn&#8217;t make abortion okay, but to say that &#8220;she was slutting around&#8221; is hardly accurate.</p>
<p>There are catastrophic fetal disasters: Tay-Sachs Disease; anacephaly; a few other relatively rare situations where I have a very hard time being too upset about an abortion.  These are a very, very tiny fraction of abortions, but they are truly disasters with no particularly wonderful results.  Equating these &#8220;slutting around&#8221; is simply irresponsible and unloving.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton E. Cramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton E. Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;enforcing mandatory school prayer,&lt;/I&gt;

How many social conservatives can you point to who want &lt;I&gt;mandatory&lt;/I&gt; school prayer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>enforcing mandatory school prayer,</i></p>
<p>How many social conservatives can you point to who want <i>mandatory</i> school prayer?</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton E. Cramer</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/were-going-to-need-a-bigger-tent/comment-page-3/#comment-292835</link>
		<dc:creator>Clayton E. Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Since when? If religious conservatives were consistently fighting for the right to be left alone and live as they like, then libertarians would have no problem with them. The reason libertarians have a problem with religious conservatives is because they have always been trying to use the muscle of the State to coerce others into acting the way they want them to. As soon as religious conservatives give up the idea that they have the right to force choices on others, the better.&lt;/I&gt;

Any libertarian who isn&#039;t an anarchist is in no position to complaint about conservatives wanting &quot;to use the muscle of the State.&quot;  Libertarians have a smaller list of such areas, but they still believe in the use of the government.

And in fact, social conservatives are far more in agreement with libertarians about the virtues of small government than libertarians are in agreement with liberals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Since when? If religious conservatives were consistently fighting for the right to be left alone and live as they like, then libertarians would have no problem with them. The reason libertarians have a problem with religious conservatives is because they have always been trying to use the muscle of the State to coerce others into acting the way they want them to. As soon as religious conservatives give up the idea that they have the right to force choices on others, the better.</i></p>
<p>Any libertarian who isn&#8217;t an anarchist is in no position to complaint about conservatives wanting &#8220;to use the muscle of the State.&#8221;  Libertarians have a smaller list of such areas, but they still believe in the use of the government.</p>
<p>And in fact, social conservatives are far more in agreement with libertarians about the virtues of small government than libertarians are in agreement with liberals.</p>
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