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		<title>By: Kurnaz and the Al Qaeda Torture Claims — Winds Of Jihad By SheikYerMami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurnaz and the Al Qaeda Torture Claims — Winds Of Jihad By SheikYerMami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CBS report — when there is ample evidence linking the former Guantánamo inmate to terrorism/ SourceGerman-born not &#8220;German born&#8221; Turk Murat Kurnaz has long claimed that he was beaten by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] CBS report — when there is ample evidence linking the former Guantánamo inmate to terrorism/ SourceGerman-born not &#8220;German born&#8221; Turk Murat Kurnaz has long claimed that he was beaten by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/what-60-minutes-didnt-tell-you-about-murat-kurnaz/comment-page-1/#comment-178989</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After only briefly reading the blog here, I stopped, as I was thinking of how foolish I am to have given so much thought as to the 60 Minutes interview with Kurnaz.

I even went as far to show the episode in my high school Conflict Resolution class.  Many students felt as I did after viewing the show.  Upset, confused &amp; angry but also amazed as to what Kurnaz had gone through, seemingly innocently.

Unbelievable.  Lies begot lies.

what can we do when our investigations prove to be lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After only briefly reading the blog here, I stopped, as I was thinking of how foolish I am to have given so much thought as to the 60 Minutes interview with Kurnaz.</p>
<p>I even went as far to show the episode in my high school Conflict Resolution class.  Many students felt as I did after viewing the show.  Upset, confused &amp; angry but also amazed as to what Kurnaz had gone through, seemingly innocently.</p>
<p>Unbelievable.  Lies begot lies.</p>
<p>what can we do when our investigations prove to be lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Huh?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huh?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question, David.  We know they&#039;ve let others go who have later been caught again or killed on the battlefield.  Should have kept him locked up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, David.  We know they&#8217;ve let others go who have later been caught again or killed on the battlefield.  Should have kept him locked up.</p>
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		<title>By: What 60 Minutes Didn</title>
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		<dc:creator>What 60 Minutes Didn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or three who do, this article thoroughly takes these so-called &quot;journalists&quot; to task.  What 60 Minutes Didn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or three who do, this article thoroughly takes these so-called &quot;journalists&quot; to task.  What 60 Minutes Didn</p>
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		<title>By: david still</title>
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		<dc:creator>david still</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If 60 Minutes and the German govt are wrong, then why did the American govt and its courts let him go???

what a silly piece of nonsense in this post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If 60 Minutes and the German govt are wrong, then why did the American govt and its courts let him go???</p>
<p>what a silly piece of nonsense in this post</p>
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		<title>By: Huh?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huh?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jimbob,

You responded to GB, where&#039;s my response?  Too tough for you?  Hard to face facts?

Also, did you know that the Hussein government was found to be liable for 9/11 and ordered to pay survivors money?  True story - ordered to pay millions from an NYC judge who looked at the evidence of Hussein, previous terror links, and AQ.  You can look at http://www.husseinandterror.com for more details.  Don&#039;t be scared though, it&#039;s just your incorrect worldview that will suffer.

And Andrew.  Reactionary?  To what?  In the 70s these same people claimed we were facing another ice age.  Now, it&#039;s global warming.  As I said before, consensus is not science.  Proving or disproving the hypothesis is science.  Ask the guy who helped to was part of the IPCC study for the UN, and wouldn&#039;t accept the Nobel Prize because of this same reason. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html)  Or perhaps you just believe this is the fault of men, due to another &quot;scientific&quot; study (http://www.bloggernews.net/114888)

It helps to have correct information as well.  Did you know that James Hansen&#039;s research, that he and Al Gore have based so much on, was incorrect?  Did you think to look?  Did you also know that the mean temperature of Mars has increased about the same amount that the Earth&#039;s temperature has increased?  What proactive solution do you prescribe for this?  I am not aware of a large number of SUVs on Mars.  Is the cure to global warming Priuses (which don&#039;t get too much better mileage than a Corolla, but cause much more environmental damage) or CFLs for your light fixtures (which are extremely hazardous to the environment due to the amount of mercury)?  Do you think that throwing some &quot;solutions&quot; at an unknown or unverified &quot;problem&quot; will help or cause more problems?  Simply having an emotional response to something and getting on the consensus bandwagon is not enough to justify the reaction you are wishing on the population.  For heaven&#039;s sake, scientists can&#039;t predict the weather into the next 14 days, let alone the next 100 years.

And MW, yes, it is acceptable to keep this person locked up in Guatanamo for five years as a terrorist.  I don&#039;t recall Americans flying the planes into buildings on 9/11, but terrorists.  Some of those terrorists are being held there.  They get fed better than our troops guarding them, they have religious freedom, they can see lawyers, etc., etc.  They are treated much better than any other POW in history by any other country.  Did you get this worked up about POWs in Hanoi and Bataan, who had, without argument, much, much worse experiences?  You need to stay away from movies like Rendition as your points of fact.

My .02.  Please feel free to reply with reasoned and well-thought out responses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jimbob,</p>
<p>You responded to GB, where&#8217;s my response?  Too tough for you?  Hard to face facts?</p>
<p>Also, did you know that the Hussein government was found to be liable for 9/11 and ordered to pay survivors money?  True story &#8211; ordered to pay millions from an NYC judge who looked at the evidence of Hussein, previous terror links, and AQ.  You can look at <a href="http://www.husseinandterror.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.husseinandterror.com</a> for more details.  Don&#8217;t be scared though, it&#8217;s just your incorrect worldview that will suffer.</p>
<p>And Andrew.  Reactionary?  To what?  In the 70s these same people claimed we were facing another ice age.  Now, it&#8217;s global warming.  As I said before, consensus is not science.  Proving or disproving the hypothesis is science.  Ask the guy who helped to was part of the IPCC study for the UN, and wouldn&#8217;t accept the Nobel Prize because of this same reason. (<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html</a>)  Or perhaps you just believe this is the fault of men, due to another &#8220;scientific&#8221; study (<a href="http://www.bloggernews.net/114888" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloggernews.net/114888</a>)</p>
<p>It helps to have correct information as well.  Did you know that James Hansen&#8217;s research, that he and Al Gore have based so much on, was incorrect?  Did you think to look?  Did you also know that the mean temperature of Mars has increased about the same amount that the Earth&#8217;s temperature has increased?  What proactive solution do you prescribe for this?  I am not aware of a large number of SUVs on Mars.  Is the cure to global warming Priuses (which don&#8217;t get too much better mileage than a Corolla, but cause much more environmental damage) or CFLs for your light fixtures (which are extremely hazardous to the environment due to the amount of mercury)?  Do you think that throwing some &#8220;solutions&#8221; at an unknown or unverified &#8220;problem&#8221; will help or cause more problems?  Simply having an emotional response to something and getting on the consensus bandwagon is not enough to justify the reaction you are wishing on the population.  For heaven&#8217;s sake, scientists can&#8217;t predict the weather into the next 14 days, let alone the next 100 years.</p>
<p>And MW, yes, it is acceptable to keep this person locked up in Guatanamo for five years as a terrorist.  I don&#8217;t recall Americans flying the planes into buildings on 9/11, but terrorists.  Some of those terrorists are being held there.  They get fed better than our troops guarding them, they have religious freedom, they can see lawyers, etc., etc.  They are treated much better than any other POW in history by any other country.  Did you get this worked up about POWs in Hanoi and Bataan, who had, without argument, much, much worse experiences?  You need to stay away from movies like Rendition as your points of fact.</p>
<p>My .02.  Please feel free to reply with reasoned and well-thought out responses.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Helmet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dark Helmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mw: The irs has been doing it for many many years,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mw: The irs has been doing it for many many years,</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
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		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, 
Exactly what is the point of this article? Are you really saying that it is perfectly acceptable to keep a man incarcerated for five years, subject him to &quot;enhanced interrogation&quot; (or whatever euphemism for torture that you prefer), without any legal recourse, and without an ability to face his accusers or see the evidence against him? Because the point of the 60 Minute story is  - That should not happen in America. Apparently you think it is perfectly acceptable.  The story was not about whether there was evidence of him having an association with terrorists. The story is about whether we want our country to be able to hold and torture anyone without having to produce evidence for their incarceration, but simply on a secret suspicion. I&#039;d like to hear clearly from the critics of the 60 minutes piece if they think this is what America should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
Exactly what is the point of this article? Are you really saying that it is perfectly acceptable to keep a man incarcerated for five years, subject him to &#8220;enhanced interrogation&#8221; (or whatever euphemism for torture that you prefer), without any legal recourse, and without an ability to face his accusers or see the evidence against him? Because the point of the 60 Minute story is  &#8211; That should not happen in America. Apparently you think it is perfectly acceptable.  The story was not about whether there was evidence of him having an association with terrorists. The story is about whether we want our country to be able to hold and torture anyone without having to produce evidence for their incarceration, but simply on a secret suspicion. I&#8217;d like to hear clearly from the critics of the 60 minutes piece if they think this is what America should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great.  The ultimate republican response: &quot;liberals who want to run from the war with our tail between our legs, so we can have abother 9/11.&quot;

A post with more grammatical errors than teeth, from a guy pretending to be an even bigger idiot than the man himself.

My only comment about the article is it vilifies a man and (same as CBS) offers a circumstantial case.  Theres no evidence to convict this man of anything, and there is no evidence to say he&#039;s completely innocent.  usually in these situation we let the guy go.  

Better not have nother 911, wait, we lost more US soldiers in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 911, than we did IN 911.  well that makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great.  The ultimate republican response: &#8220;liberals who want to run from the war with our tail between our legs, so we can have abother 9/11.&#8221;</p>
<p>A post with more grammatical errors than teeth, from a guy pretending to be an even bigger idiot than the man himself.</p>
<p>My only comment about the article is it vilifies a man and (same as CBS) offers a circumstantial case.  Theres no evidence to convict this man of anything, and there is no evidence to say he&#8217;s completely innocent.  usually in these situation we let the guy go.  </p>
<p>Better not have nother 911, wait, we lost more US soldiers in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 911, than we did IN 911.  well that makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: George Bush</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Bush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? you mean...The media is against the war?? No.....
Thats because they are run be liberals who want to run from the war with our tail between our legs, so we can have abother 9/11.
Forget all the troops that gave there life, forget those who died 9/11, because we have been there five years, and we need to stop spending money. Because to liberals, thats what its all about.
After all, we need the troops back over here planting some trees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? you mean&#8230;The media is against the war?? No&#8230;..<br />
Thats because they are run be liberals who want to run from the war with our tail between our legs, so we can have abother 9/11.<br />
Forget all the troops that gave there life, forget those who died 9/11, because we have been there five years, and we need to stop spending money. Because to liberals, thats what its all about.<br />
After all, we need the troops back over here planting some trees.</p>
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