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	<title>Comments on: What Ever Happened to &#8216;Sticks and Stones?&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: SGT Ted</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/what-ever-happened-to-sticks-and-stones/comment-page-1/#comment-107709</link>
		<dc:creator>SGT Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One merely has to look at Obama using his koolaid drinkers to mau-mau talks hows and other critics in order to shut them up or deny access to the airwaves to see who the censors are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One merely has to look at Obama using his koolaid drinkers to mau-mau talks hows and other critics in order to shut them up or deny access to the airwaves to see who the censors are.</p>
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		<title>By: teh07h3r0n3</title>
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		<dc:creator>teh07h3r0n3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wonderful article.  there is no right to not be offended.  

sadly, this is not recognized by most . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wonderful article.  there is no right to not be offended.  </p>
<p>sadly, this is not recognized by most . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/what-ever-happened-to-sticks-and-stones/comment-page-1/#comment-107068</link>
		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rattlergator, you miss my point.  The government COULDN&#039;T prevent moveon.org from running their ad.  But that didn&#039;t stop them from throwing their little hissy fit.

Sorry, dude, cedarford wasn&#039;t right.  And neither are you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rattlergator, you miss my point.  The government COULDN&#8217;T prevent moveon.org from running their ad.  But that didn&#8217;t stop them from throwing their little hissy fit.</p>
<p>Sorry, dude, cedarford wasn&#8217;t right.  And neither are you.</p>
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		<title>By: RattlerGator</title>
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		<dc:creator>RattlerGator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herb, what agent of the government deprived those idiots at MoveOn of their constitutionally-protected speech?

Oh, that&#039;s right -- none!

What commercial enterprise deprived them on their non-protected speech?

Oh, that&#039;s right -- none!

Cedarford is obviously right and you know it. So does MoveOn -- that was an *infamous* ad they will never live down and it has not been paraded around since.

I will take issue with cedarford on this: that wasn&#039;t merely a childhood chant. That was civilized wisdom passed down for generations designed to mitigate the admittedly juvenile but quite effective tactic of baiting someone into a physical altercation.

Human beings are not perfectible; the &quot;sticks and stones&quot; admonition fits on a continuum that represents a coping mechanism about as good as we&#039;re going to get when it comes to conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herb, what agent of the government deprived those idiots at MoveOn of their constitutionally-protected speech?</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s right &#8212; none!</p>
<p>What commercial enterprise deprived them on their non-protected speech?</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s right &#8212; none!</p>
<p>Cedarford is obviously right and you know it. So does MoveOn &#8212; that was an *infamous* ad they will never live down and it has not been paraded around since.</p>
<p>I will take issue with cedarford on this: that wasn&#8217;t merely a childhood chant. That was civilized wisdom passed down for generations designed to mitigate the admittedly juvenile but quite effective tactic of baiting someone into a physical altercation.</p>
<p>Human beings are not perfectible; the &#8220;sticks and stones&#8221; admonition fits on a continuum that represents a coping mechanism about as good as we&#8217;re going to get when it comes to conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone remember when Disney put out the Mr. Magoo movie and got complaints from &quot;visually impaired&quot; people that their feelings were hurt?  I come from a family of 5, wherein 4 of us are extrememly near-sighted and astigmatic.  We always referred to ourselves as being &quot;blind as bats&quot; and thought the Mr. Magoo cartoon series was hysterical.  We could relate.  People need to lighten up.

Anymore I find making conversation with others difficult because I might say something that will hurt their poor little feelings.  My neighbor corrected me the other day by telling me I wasn&#039;t supposed to refer to Jet Li as an Oriental but rather an Asian.  Thankfully, Jet Li has a backbone so I doubt he&#039;d be offended; lots of others need to grow a backbone too.

I believe this is just a load of hooey placed on us by people whose agenda is simply to eliminate conversations between people that go beyond the weather.  It&#039;s right out of &quot;1984,&quot; where they fear ideas might actually make people think and take any action for change.

To all those guardians out there of political correctness, I declare right here and now: I&#039;m old, not a senior.  I&#039;m fat, not pleasingly plump or calorically challenged.  I&#039;m darn near blind as a bat, not visually-impaired and becoming deaf, not hearing-impaired.  If that&#039;s not okay with you--my choice of descriptive words, not my medical conditions--I guess you&#039;ll just have to kiss my big, fat glutamous maximus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone remember when Disney put out the Mr. Magoo movie and got complaints from &#8220;visually impaired&#8221; people that their feelings were hurt?  I come from a family of 5, wherein 4 of us are extrememly near-sighted and astigmatic.  We always referred to ourselves as being &#8220;blind as bats&#8221; and thought the Mr. Magoo cartoon series was hysterical.  We could relate.  People need to lighten up.</p>
<p>Anymore I find making conversation with others difficult because I might say something that will hurt their poor little feelings.  My neighbor corrected me the other day by telling me I wasn&#8217;t supposed to refer to Jet Li as an Oriental but rather an Asian.  Thankfully, Jet Li has a backbone so I doubt he&#8217;d be offended; lots of others need to grow a backbone too.</p>
<p>I believe this is just a load of hooey placed on us by people whose agenda is simply to eliminate conversations between people that go beyond the weather.  It&#8217;s right out of &#8220;1984,&#8221; where they fear ideas might actually make people think and take any action for change.</p>
<p>To all those guardians out there of political correctness, I declare right here and now: I&#8217;m old, not a senior.  I&#8217;m fat, not pleasingly plump or calorically challenged.  I&#8217;m darn near blind as a bat, not visually-impaired and becoming deaf, not hearing-impaired.  If that&#8217;s not okay with you&#8211;my choice of descriptive words, not my medical conditions&#8211;I guess you&#8217;ll just have to kiss my big, fat glutamous maximus.</p>
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		<title>By: BackwardsBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BackwardsBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are really only two mental states: the intellectual, calm, dispassionate one that sees the world as it truly is, and the other emotional one that overreacts to anything and everything, usually with disatrous results. These can  also be described as emotionally mature and immature.
It&#039;s the immature who call simple disagreement &quot;hate speech&quot;, a typical overreaction that substitutes as logic. The admonition about sticks and stones simply tells the immature to calm down, grow up and become an adult like the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are really only two mental states: the intellectual, calm, dispassionate one that sees the world as it truly is, and the other emotional one that overreacts to anything and everything, usually with disatrous results. These can  also be described as emotionally mature and immature.<br />
It&#8217;s the immature who call simple disagreement &#8220;hate speech&#8221;, a typical overreaction that substitutes as logic. The admonition about sticks and stones simply tells the immature to calm down, grow up and become an adult like the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cedarford, The moveon.org ad did not cross clear legal lines of slander or libel or anything else that would actually end up in a court room.  Was it provocative and offensive?  Yes, and that&#039;s putting it lightly, but it wasn&#039;t something that would have put them in legal trouble.

So when Congress convened and realized they couldn&#039;t do anything legally to Moveon.org for being jerks, they instead passed their symbolic condemnation.  Handy fodder for an attack ad during their re-election campaign, so who cares if it&#039;s non-binding?

As for this, &quot;no one in politics should ever drag military into a political battle...&quot;  I agree.  But let&#039;s not pretend that moveon.org was the first or even the most egregious.  After all, if Bush hadn&#039;t made Petraeus the lead blocker for his Iraq policies, it&#039;s unlikely moveon.org would have even mentioned his name.

This doesn&#039;t absolve them from being offensive button-pushers.  But even offensive button-pushers have the right to constitutionally protected speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cedarford, The moveon.org ad did not cross clear legal lines of slander or libel or anything else that would actually end up in a court room.  Was it provocative and offensive?  Yes, and that&#8217;s putting it lightly, but it wasn&#8217;t something that would have put them in legal trouble.</p>
<p>So when Congress convened and realized they couldn&#8217;t do anything legally to Moveon.org for being jerks, they instead passed their symbolic condemnation.  Handy fodder for an attack ad during their re-election campaign, so who cares if it&#8217;s non-binding?</p>
<p>As for this, &#8220;no one in politics should ever drag military into a political battle&#8230;&#8221;  I agree.  But let&#8217;s not pretend that moveon.org was the first or even the most egregious.  After all, if Bush hadn&#8217;t made Petraeus the lead blocker for his Iraq policies, it&#8217;s unlikely moveon.org would have even mentioned his name.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t absolve them from being offensive button-pushers.  But even offensive button-pushers have the right to constitutionally protected speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perversely, the exercise of free speech is associated with elite privilege. It is represented as affirming the status of the powerful and the negation of the oppressed and the vulnerable.&quot;

What we have here is the postmodern interpretation of what constitutes &#039;speech&#039;. Postmoderns are Right and Leftist collectivists who think nothing of coercing the individual into conforming to the Common Will of the collective. This is the aim of the politically correct campaign. We are being hived, and we don&#039;t know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perversely, the exercise of free speech is associated with elite privilege. It is represented as affirming the status of the powerful and the negation of the oppressed and the vulnerable.&#8221;</p>
<p>What we have here is the postmodern interpretation of what constitutes &#8217;speech&#8217;. Postmoderns are Right and Leftist collectivists who think nothing of coercing the individual into conforming to the Common Will of the collective. This is the aim of the politically correct campaign. We are being hived, and we don&#8217;t know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Sue Causey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy Sue Causey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s called a show of &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;RESPECT&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; to address the person first.. For example, &lt;i&gt;person with mental illness&lt;/i&gt;..

That you chose to indifferently refer to &quot;retarded people&quot; sent the rest of anything else you might have had to share from your Fingertips straight to the trash bucket..

Deliberate use of that derogatory phrase set the stage for that you intend only to consciously antagonize, devalue, and offend your fellow Humans solely just to do so.. Too much else on the Net to play with to be bothered with that.. :grin:

Kudos to your once prospective publisher.. :wink:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s called a show of <i><b>RESPECT</b></i> to address the person first.. For example, <i>person with mental illness</i>..</p>
<p>That you chose to indifferently refer to &#8220;retarded people&#8221; sent the rest of anything else you might have had to share from your Fingertips straight to the trash bucket..</p>
<p>Deliberate use of that derogatory phrase set the stage for that you intend only to consciously antagonize, devalue, and offend your fellow Humans solely just to do so.. Too much else on the Net to play with to be bothered with that.. <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kudos to your once prospective publisher.. <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sandra M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg said:
Sandra, I completely agree with you regarding logic. Logic should be a critical component of education, yet it seems there are so few people today that have taken a logic course. I have seen so many arguments, by seeminly intelligenct people, that would fail even the most basic logical examination.

In the middle ages, the first three subjects one studied were, the trivium:  grammar, logic and rhetoric, called the three-fold path to eloquence. followed by the quadrivium, the four-fold path to knowledge: music, astronomy, arithmetic and geometry. 

Through most of our history students studied logic, Catholic schools, still do to some extent because of the influence of St. Thomas Aquinas, who was influenced by  Aristotle. Logic exposes fallacy and flawed thinking and Liberals recoil from logic as Vampires recoil from  crucifixes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg said:<br />
Sandra, I completely agree with you regarding logic. Logic should be a critical component of education, yet it seems there are so few people today that have taken a logic course. I have seen so many arguments, by seeminly intelligenct people, that would fail even the most basic logical examination.</p>
<p>In the middle ages, the first three subjects one studied were, the trivium:  grammar, logic and rhetoric, called the three-fold path to eloquence. followed by the quadrivium, the four-fold path to knowledge: music, astronomy, arithmetic and geometry. </p>
<p>Through most of our history students studied logic, Catholic schools, still do to some extent because of the influence of St. Thomas Aquinas, who was influenced by  Aristotle. Logic exposes fallacy and flawed thinking and Liberals recoil from logic as Vampires recoil from  crucifixes.</p>
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