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1. bill:

Hes selling and I for one pray nobody buys

Feb 10, 2009 - 9:14 am 2. Mongoose:

Well, I thought that the presser was particularly “shovel ready”.

I have one quibble though…where were the reporters from glamour.com. I mean those hussies at HuffoPo got to elbow their way in. What about the rest of us?

This slight gave me some pause. Other than that it was the best presser he has given since he was elected President.

Feb 10, 2009 - 9:21 am 3. joe buzz:

Did anyone ask him what he thought of the recent Congressional Budget Office report?

Feb 10, 2009 - 9:22 am 4. Mongoose:

oh i mean best PRIME TIME presser. (sorry)

Feb 10, 2009 - 9:29 am 5. Mongoose:

DOW is down 291 points after Tarp II announcements. Impossible to gauge any reaction from Obama’s pep talk. Strange thing about that, but I do not question the timing.

Since only Government can turn this around perhaps people have just decided to take Obama at his word.

Feb 10, 2009 - 9:38 am 6. Dave:

I guess he thinks that if he just keeps talking long enough, something will come out that justifies this indefensible attack on present and future taxpayers. What he is pushing is not stimulus. It is an unsustainable socialist fantasy list that will do more harm than good in the medium and long run.

This was not a speech for all Americans. It was a speech to buck up his hard left supporters and the rest of America will just have to lump it because he could care less what we think. He set up the kind of strawmen that only his extreme ideological friends would recognize. This became pretty clear when he took a question from the insane asylum called the Huffington Post. His idea’s don’t stand up well, so he needed a smear of President Bush for cover. It was an insult to anyone with any sense.

Feb 10, 2009 - 9:44 am 7. Retep:

Where are BO’s incredible speaking skills? Leadership skills? He is nothing but pessimism, doom and gloom. It’s constant. Every time I hear him talk I feel less & less confident that he knows what he’s doing. He’s acting like a salesman and not a very good one. The country is desperate for a leader now but clearly it’s not BO.

Feb 10, 2009 - 10:05 am 8. Pat J:

Other than that it was the best presser he has given since he was elected President.
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And the first!

Feb 10, 2009 - 10:16 am 9. gordo:

Listen to the street. The welfare babies and the trust fund babies don’t even know there is a economical “crisis”. However all of us in between, know all to well what is happening.

Does anybody have the courage to stand up for our rights?

We left England for the same reasons this “stimulus bill” is proposing we live.

Where to now?

Feb 10, 2009 - 10:19 am 10. Kay:

This guy is outright diabolical, and is shaping up to be the worst, most dishonest president in US history. I haven’t seen a population eat up such blatant incompetence with open arms while selling their souls and futures since 1930’s Germany.

Feb 10, 2009 - 10:34 am 11. MikeD:

We are looking at four years of abject failure and incompetence. We have elected a clown and he hasn’t got a clue. Hope and change my ass!

Feb 10, 2009 - 10:44 am 12. Joseph Sanchez:

Don’t know if anyone else feels this way, but I could care less about any of the silly arguments for the stimulus than I do about Obama’s childish and unprecedented blame shifting for the bad economy. I have never seen a president do this before, and it disgusts me. Even when the Iraq war was at its worst Bush never tried reminding us that it was the Clinton administration who screwed up the whole terrorist question in the first place. I have a blog post about this very issue here:http://rebelsk8.blogspot.com/
It’s the first post Clinton 2.d’oh! redux

Feb 10, 2009 - 10:45 am 13. PM:

Heil Obama

Feb 10, 2009 - 10:50 am 14. Terry Gain:

“He faces an early, but not unanticipated, pivotal moment in his presidency and a golden opportunity to lead is within his reach. Will he make the leap and grasp it, or spend the next four years playing defense for his media image and running for reelection?”

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Opportunity to lead? My what a bizarre comment.

The economy is in trouble because of excessive government spending which has left the people with no-confidence in the future. As a result people are holding onto their money. What’s needed is cutting government spending on pork, an immediate reduction in taxes and extended employment insurance benefits to those who are losing their jobs because of the economic downturn. What’s just passed will make matters worse, not better, even in the short run but particularly in the long run.

Expecting a socialist like Obama to lead us out of this mess is crazy.

And implying that the GOP wants to do nothing is not putting up a straw man. It is telling a lie.

Feb 10, 2009 - 10:55 am 15. Kay:

Don’t get it wrong, I too was hoping his seeming lack of experience might be his saving grace, but this guy knows EXACTLY what he is doing. This is a power grab never before seen in this nation’s history.

Feb 10, 2009 - 10:59 am 16. Karin:

Please read this and see what they’re sneaking into Porkzilla! Melt the phone lines and jam the inboxes of all the congresscrud, please!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:01 am 17. Terry Gain:

And it would be nice if even one of the paid commentators called Obama on his BIG LIE that this is the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. It is bad but not nearly as bad as the Jimmy Carter economic recessions which were not rectified until Reagan’s tax cuts improved the economy.

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:01 am 18. Jeff Perren:

This would have been a far more interesting response had it not been an abject straw man.”

You misunderstood Obama, the Republicans, and those “who philosophically just think the government has no business interfering in the marketplace.”

Espousing that the government, indeed, should not interfere in the marketplace is not the same as advocating the Feds should ‘do nothing.’

They should do a great deal. They should remove taxes, repeal legislation that hobbles productivity and violates the right of voluntary trade, etc. etc. In short, they should roll back the Leviathan to pre-1912 levels.

That’s hardly the same as suggesting they stand idly by while the economy tanks and freedom diminishes.

Only when conservatives learn to understand Progressives in fundamental terms will they begin to get the better of the arguments again. In the meantime, they are wiping the floor with many of you, starting with their chief leader.

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:04 am 19. Kay:

It’s more then just the IDEA of a socialistic society, this ‘bill’ is the biggest move toward it ever. There are 0 new jobs in the bill outside of government appointments to new bureaucracies. I hope people understand the power just the Census reorganization has, it alone can completely throw us in to a one-party nation.

The funny thing is, I doubt even half the Dems have any idea how bad this can get, as long as you throw a Senator a few billion in funding(if not outright bailout money), the rest they could care less about.

The 500 MILLION DOLLARS to ACORN is another hoot. No surprise if they are involved in the Census next year. And new legislation into national health care just found its way into the bill and nobody has any idea who put it in there. These morons can’t even run ONE single 20+ year old government program in a way that doesn’t ‘bankrupt’ itself every single month. Now they are rushing 800 pages of thousands of programs through in a couple weeks of debate?

NOBODY knows everything that is in this bill, and throwing ’stimulous’ in the title is just like screaming ‘racism’ to challenge it. There is no mistake as to why it is GOING to be over $800b, when not even 5% is going to actually create civilian jobs.

This is an absolute disaster.

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:10 am 20. Kay:

We are nowhere near in the biggest crisis since the Great Depression. This bill will absolutely 100% guarantee we get there though. With interest, this bill getting signed will immediately add $1.4 trillion to our yearly national budget-year after year after year. More then half of the things in there will never be undone from our budget, very little of this is temporary.

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:14 am 21. LynnS:

He is reinventing himself and letting us know that he “inherited” the White House and Presidency, contrary to our thinking he had run for election and accepted the office willingly.

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:16 am 22. Kay:

And none who sign on this bill personally will ever feel one iota of financial pain from it. I am sure they have written themselves out of any suffering from the new legislation. The bill should be labeled the Socialist Advancement Act.

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:16 am 23. Mongoose:

J Sanchez. Oh it is SOP for democrats presidents to blame prior Rep. Presidents.

FDR, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton.

What is amazing here though, is that the evidence is overwhelming as to who is to blame.
They just tell what are obvious open lies, and no one calls them on it in the Media. The presser was one lie after another. Franks, Dodd and Pelosi are still on the Hill. Rahm, who was a Director of either Fannie or Freddie is the CoS in the WH. They should not be there, but under investigation. Had they been Republicans there would have been such a media outcry that they would have had to resign by now. Look at what they did to Lott. We expect this in the 3rd world, but I have never, ever, seen such open, blatant corruption, and have never seen people get away with it like this before. Not here, not in the USA. Have we become that morally corrupt as a people?

Add this to the appointment of outright corrupt officials, and odd things like the lack of controls over donations in Obama’s campaign, no birth certificate, and what it adds up to is the conclusion that the Democrats are so arrogant that they do not think it matters at all what they do. Is there any doubt that they hold the Constitution in contempt? Is there any doubt that there is no limit to what they will do? 2 years is too long to wait to stop their damage.

They are acting like kings, like the socialist oligarchs that they are.

What do we do? Million people or more rallies at a dozen cities? A national strike?

We are headed way down. What is being lost in this is all the foreign “screwups” (or are they betrayals>).

For my part, i do not think it is incompetence, I think that he is trying to take us out as a major power, and turn us into a one party socialist, or quasi-socialist totalitarian state.

It will be hard to turn this around. This stimulus bill, added to what else is coming down the line (like another 1.5 trillion for TARP II) will kill the dollar. It will cease to be the major reserve currency! Are they trying to degrade to dollar to the level of the peso. Replace it awith the Euro (or something else) as a reserve currency.
The whole agenda seems designed to destroy us.

Why would they hide in this bill a clause that called for withholding care from the elderly? What is up with that?

What about that 80% reduction in our nukes?

THe American people never would have voted for him had they know what his first onth would be like.

He is just lying through his teeth at us.

Most of this stimulus will click in next year. He has a trillion dollar slush fund to buy votes. Will we ever have a real election ever again? Look how they are stealing Coleman’s seat right out in the open, in the most blantant and obvious way?

What is wrong with us? Our nation defeated without a shot?

I have been around quite a while and seen this country go through some tough times, but I have never been afraid for this country before like I am now.

It is beyond belief that we let a handful of socialist elitista take it away from us. It will be hard to get it back.

We can talk about 2010 all we want but ACORN will have 4 billion dollars to organize election fraud. Obama will be in charge of the Federal apparatus that ensures fair election. Never before in our history would we allow something like that. Where is the outcry? It is like living in Russia or Mexico, or Venezuela.

Our Republic is all but gone.

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:18 am 24. Meryl:

What a fool he is. And we have the fools who voted for him to thank for what is happening to the United States of America.

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:25 am 25. Blue Collar Todd:

Notice how government is now the only place for people to go to get help. If this pace continues, the march towards totalitarianism will be almost complete by the end of the year.

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:35 am 26. Michael O'Brien:

Obama’s creators and managers saw that the public was starting to see through him. He’s about the only thing that IS transparent in the administration. So they scrambled and put together a fake and controlled press conference so that he could be put in the kind of light he was in prior to winning the election. He hasn’t looked shiny and fresh since that big dose of reality he got after his first intelligence briefing. This press conference and question-answer session was pure damaged image control.

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:40 am 27. gordo:

Has the “o” placed the military on alert for the uprising of the middle class US citizen when he/she sees their “tax cut” turn into modern day slavery.

He comments on 1000 people lined up for 35 fire fighter job. Duh, people see the writing on the wall, only gov’t jobs are safe.

When was the last time a department in the state ,local or fed gov’t was laid off?

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:50 am 28. Kevin:

The best lack all conviction while
The worst are full of passionate intensity…
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

The crisis will now begin. The treasury market will rupture by 2011, dislocation and economic catastrophe will follow. Dow 3000 , 30 year 10-12% yield. 5-6 Trillion printed – dollar plunges. Good night sweet ladies, good night.

Feb 10, 2009 - 11:51 am 29. The Historian:

WE’VE SEEN THE FLAWED LIBERAL MIND
Everything is our fault if you listen to most liberals.

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/02/liberal-guilt-shame.html

Feb 10, 2009 - 12:04 pm 30. Jake Was Here:

Good night sweet ladies, good night.

I’m going to kill myself.

Feb 10, 2009 - 12:50 pm 31. malclave:

My first thought was…

Since HuffPo has opened up blog sites as getting questions at press conferences… how about PJM sending Wurzelbacher?

Feb 10, 2009 - 12:50 pm 32. JED:

Spending yourself rich, drinking your self sober, eating yourself healthy, blaming yourself holy; hellfire and doom awaits those who defy the mandate of November. Bush did it and the buck stops there. What was I thinking? “Something for everyone,” proclaimed the Appeaser-in-Chief, as the congressional hogs ran to the trough. “No pork here, not on our side.”

Feb 10, 2009 - 12:55 pm 33. Pat J:

23. Mongoose:
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Show me any evidence you have to support your theories and statements. Specifically:

“Rahm, who was a Director of either Fannie or Freddie..” – You don’t know which one. Try a little research.

“no birth certificate” – Really?

“Is there any doubt that they hold the Constitution in contempt?” – Obama’s been on the job for three weeks. How does that compare to the last 8 years?

“The whole agenda seems designed to destroy us.” – Tad paranoid aren’t we? And who is this “us?”

“Why would they hide in this bill a clause that called for withholding care from the elderly? What is up with that?” – WHAT CLAUSE? Where do you get your misinformation?

“What about that 80% reduction in our nukes?” – 1. Where do you pull that out of your… 2. And that’s a bad thing?

“Look how they are stealing Coleman’s seat right out in the open, in the most blantant and obvious way?” – Actually the whole process has been rather public and totally bipartisan, but go on.

“We can talk about 2010 all we want but ACORN will have 4 billion dollars to organize election fraud.” – What is that based on? What fraud?

Frankly, I think you ought to relax. Go yell at a cloud or chase those damn neighbor kids off your lawn. But do keep those comments coming.

God Bless America.

Feb 10, 2009 - 1:18 pm 34. Jim Baker:

In his book, “The Road to Serfdom” Hayek shows how Collectivism always inevitably results in totalitarian government. He goes on to show that a free market is the only economic system that can allow for individual liberty(sorry for the redundancy – only individuals can have liberty) and still function properly.
It is our liberty that is in jeopardy here. And that is all we ever had that was different from the most of the world.

Feb 10, 2009 - 1:48 pm 35. HIM Yao Sui, China's HOS in Exile:

Personally, I feel that the US could have elected a better President. I wish the best for Barack Obama in spite of the fact that I feel that he should be removed from office for fraud and for not meeting with basic qualifications of being the US President.

If Barack Obama were a truly good man, I would most certainly be behind him all the way.

How many of you really do know the real Obama and how many really care?

A lot has not been published about this man and the US media has been bought out my Obama money.

Feb 10, 2009 - 2:06 pm 36. 888:

Hussein is his usual elitist, revisionist, hypocritical, charlatan self. And as if he is perpetually campaigning, he again boringly blames the recession and the economic crisis on “the past 8 years”.

Get a clue, Hussein. Everyone knows Carter’s and Clinton’s Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) caused this financial/economic disaster. STOP CHANGING HISTORY, YOU IDIOT.

Feb 10, 2009 - 2:10 pm 37. HIM Yao Sui, China's HOS in Exile:

How many people know that China’s Imperial system exist and that its emperor successfully negotiated Saddam’s withdrawal in 1990? And that this war continues on today, due to Bush’s intransigence and desire to go to war with a nation at peace, which had agreed to all of the terms of the Bush White House withdrawal.

How many people know that Obama is not a natural born US citizen and is an illegal alien in our nation?

How many know that these two stories was not given much attention by the US national newsmedia and that the war in Iraq is illegal and unnecessary? That a complete withdrawal can occur immediately.

I don’t get much press coverage and neither does Larry Sinclair and Philip J. Berg. We all are telling the truth, but our nation REFUSES to listen!

http://peacenegotiator.blogspot.com

Ps: How about Pajama’s Media?

Feb 10, 2009 - 2:15 pm 38. Mongoose:

Pat J: Spare me, You know that is all true.

My goodness, I have not the time or the patience at the moment to deal with a foul-mannered, lefty child like you. If you are really so ignorant, google for all that stuff like a good little boy, it is all on the web. Take some responsibility for educating yourself for a change. I am certainly not interested in doing it at this point in time. Why don’t you go clean up your room in your mother’s basement or something. Go get a job or something.

I have no time for tools like you right now.

Feb 10, 2009 - 2:27 pm 39. monkeygrass:

re: Pat J

“Obama’s been on the job for three weeks. How does that compare to the last 8 years?”

Bush may have opened the door to all this, but Obama made things a hell of a lot worse a whole hell of a lot quicker. It took Bush 6 years into his presidency to sell us down the river, but Obama burned down the house and torched the crops in three weeks.

They both suck. Find a new argument to argument to defend your fan-girl crush with.

Feb 10, 2009 - 2:48 pm 40. Marc Malone:

#33 Pat J – Mongoose’s info is solid. Much of this has been heavily discussed here and elsewhere. I’m the kind of guy who follows all the links. Some may be just conclusions drawn from the available facts, but they are based on solid facts. He does not need to offer proof of the arguments each and every time, as these things have been already hashed out as much as possible. You, however, should offer something with which to rebut his arguments, not just condescendingly dismiss them.

Feb 10, 2009 - 3:04 pm 41. john m e:

Mongoose, my man, you’re opening salvo has left me weak and teary in throes of sheer delight…I applaud your insightful wit and thank you for a remarkable moment.of truth and humor…. Lenny would be proud.. trust me.

Feb 10, 2009 - 3:55 pm 42. Matt:

I’m left with the deep dark sense that Obama is grossly unqualified and will spend 4 years schilling for the democratic party in Congress.

Thankfully for Obama, his water carriers/worshipers will spend the next few days blaming the economy on Bush and completely missing the point that Obama’s wasteful spending is only going to compound and incease the problem.

Hey but ACORN’s getting some money so I’m happy…

Feb 10, 2009 - 4:06 pm 43. thegr8 1:

“Are you smarter than a 5th grader” is looking for a celebrity contestant. Any suggestions?

Feb 10, 2009 - 4:37 pm 44. Marc Malone:

Yes, Mongoose, shovel ready was hilarious! I laughed hard, then chuckled for 5 minutes. That should become part of our lexicon. Shovel ready, indeed.

Feb 10, 2009 - 4:46 pm 45. Caution:

I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE UNDER OBAMA. i lived in france for 2 years and canada for 3 on business. 1) main problem is that it is impossible for a middle class person to accumulate any wealth. punishing tax rates and low pay provide for a near subsistence life with small houses, cars etc etc. 2) note that socialist health care is not the thing to fear. it was good at both places and not the thing the locals complained about. 3) in both locations your kid gets placed in a job at a very early age. adult education does not exist. it is not possible to move up in the system. 4) THE STATE IS ALL POWERFUL. the individual is meaningless. resistence is futile, a complete waste of time. private ownership of guns is gone. 5) women seemed to really like the nanny state while men did not. 6) government is everywhere, and involved in everything. simplest tasks take days and require expert help.

Feb 10, 2009 - 5:19 pm 46. wendy anderson:

Delia,

Where are you?? Has anyone heard from Delia today???

Feb 10, 2009 - 5:45 pm 47. wendy:

Delia, Delia,

Where are you? Has anyone heard from Delia today??

Feb 10, 2009 - 6:02 pm 48. Fedupyet?:

Mongoose @#23 said:
“What do we do? Million people or more rallies at a dozen cities? A national strike?”

Those would have virtually no impact whatsoever, but you may keep kidding yourself if you wish. For my own part, I have no faith, given the dangerous direction of the present corrupt administration, that the country can “reverse evolve” to a more acceptable state of freedom and liberty.

I will, however, offer an observation, and an alternative working hypothesis.

What may result, actually, really isn’t that hard to contemplate, since we, and many others have done it repeatedly before. It certainly is not impossible, it is not even improbable, though many will refuse to acknowledge the possibility. Unfortunately, while a peaceful metamorphosis back to our founding principles would be preferable, I personally no longer see much alternative to armed insurrection and revolt. While it would be very, very ugly, the required numbers to effect it are growing pretty rapidly. These people support the 2nd amendment which, in return, supports them with huge quantities of arms, and while the numbers of committed individuals just isn’t high enough yet these are the people with the means to effect change–not the metrosexual liberals, not the deranged left, not the effete intellectuals who support the current socialist transition. Sometime down the line, someone, or some group of moral leaders (God knows from where they will appear), will organize these numbers (who include not just members of the general civilian population but large numbers in law enforcement, various reserve bodies, and other organizations) and will start to surreptitiously and clandestinely involve substantial numbers within the active military itself. In fact, leadership might even come from some in the military since officers are pledged to defend the constitution (not the government) and the military is not monolithic in its thinking. Many of them (despite understandable hesitations) will grasp that the constitution has been and is being systematically undermined and corrupted. They can be recruited (or co-opted, if you prefer) and ultimately they (or a large enough proportion of them) will come to the realization that no other alternative exists. They will understand that the rule of law has been compromised beyond peaceful recourse. At that point a resolution of the present disastrous condition will begin to manifest itself, and once begun, if well directed, it will accelerate until it can not be stopped. I hope I live long enough to see it.

Or maybe I don’t.

And I will also predict, that since this whole subject/prospect is so politically incorrect and unspeakable to some that this comment may not survive its submission. But even if you refuse to acknowledge the real possibility of it all it shall always reside just below the surface and it will never go away. Only a fool will deny the possibility.

Feb 10, 2009 - 6:22 pm 49. eor:

Please don’t kill yourself. It’s like watching a train wreck. We’ve got to stick around and see what happens.

Feb 10, 2009 - 6:38 pm 50. quasar:

Sorry I missed it. But I did see the hi-lites on Hardballs w/ Chris Matthews and saw how it registered on the Woody Meter. My gawd, BHO is human viagra to the trogs.

Feb 10, 2009 - 6:50 pm 51. Chippy:

Pat J,

1. Emanuel was named to the Board of Directors for Freddie Mac by Clinton in 2000. During his tenure, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight later accused the board of having “failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention”

2.Barack Obama’s BC has been an issue in many Supreme Court filings. He had a fake one on his web site and was later taken off the web site due to its fake nature. It was phony.

3.“Is there any doubt that they hold the Constitution in contempt?” He has kept the same stuff you libs have been crying about for eight yrs. Renditions. FISA. Patriot Act. Keeping troops in Iraq past March 2009.

4.“Why would they hide in this bill a clause that called for withholding care from the elderly? What is up with that?” – WHAT CLAUSE? Where do you get your misinformation?
-This is from Bloombergon Feb. 9th 2009. Its not a clause it is the truth from Tom Daschle.

Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

4.“What about that 80% reduction in our nukes?” – 1. Where do you pull that out of your… 2. And that’s a bad thing? On 2/05/09 the Obama Administration said this..”The administration is very serious about further reductions in nuclear weapons,” State Department spokesman Robert Wood told reporters, when asked whether President Barack Obama is ready to seek an 80 percent reduction in the U.S. nuke stockpiles. Many people beleive that this would harm the independence and security of Georgia and Ukraine. It would also put pressure on Britain who has 160 long range missles. Merely delaying the placement of U.S. missiles in Poland and a radar station in the Czech Republic — which if deployed would cost the U.S. $4 billion annually. But who cares about money in the new administration…they could just print 4 billion overnight.

5. “Look how they are stealing Coleman’s seat right out in the open, in the most blantant and obvious way?” – Actually the whole process has been rather public and totally bipartisan, but go on…yea I will go on..In one heavily Democratic town miraculously discovered 100 missing ballots. And, in another marvel, they were all for Al Franken! It was like a completely evil version of a Christmas miracle. More people voted in some precincts than actually lived in those precincts. This is a joke right?

6. Acorn Fraud…that’s easy. While Democrats continue to accuse Republicans of mass voter fraud, only ACORN has been prosecuted for actual crimes. In addition, there are complaints in cites against ACORN in Colorado, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin.

Yea…God Bless America alright.

Feb 10, 2009 - 7:09 pm 52. Will:

I’ve heard the wind blow before but it didn’t smell so bad.

Feb 10, 2009 - 7:15 pm 53. mshatto:

Fedupyet – Befoere we begin the insurection I’d lke to see “A Day without a Taxpaying, Conservative.” We’ve seen the Million Man March, a Day Without a Mexican, even I believe a Day without a Homosexual. Maybe it’s time we show people who the people are that truly make this nation run.

Feb 10, 2009 - 7:28 pm 54. Eric:

Last year my wife and I earned just under $200k. Before the election we decided that if Obama won that she would quit her job and we’d live on my salary alone, which is about half of our total. We made a lot of money and enjoyed ourselves with regular dining out, clothing for us and the kids, movies, and other fun stuff. We were “spreading our wealth around”. I make enough myself for her not to work so who loses by her staying out of the workforce? Us? Not really. So, we’ll enjoy fewer material comforts but really it’s no big loss to us. The real losers are the waiters and waitresses at the restaurants we no longer visit, the retailers we no longer frequent, and of course the state and federal governments who lose our income taxes and much of the sales taxes we paid. In addition to that, with my wife now a dependent I can claim her on my tax returns and further reduce my taxable income.
It’s the best John Galt I can manage. If more Americans who can afford to do so, do as we did, we could really hurt the economy and starve the socialist beast.
I won’t be any man’s, or government’s, indentured servant which is exactly what Obama and the Democrats want to turn taxpayers into.

Feb 10, 2009 - 7:40 pm 55. Dave:

54 Eric:

Well said. The Economy is cratering in direct correlation with the rise of Democrats and families like yours are probably a big reason why.

Feb 10, 2009 - 8:37 pm 56. joe:

The current POTUS whines and is a victim. Why change this has always worked before. Different rules for other POTUS but not for this one.

M$M still carrying his jock strap.

Feb 10, 2009 - 8:39 pm 57. carolyn:

I love all of the comedy. You guys are really funny and should persue careers in show biz. You also sound like a bunch of whiners really mad that the republicans got thrown out on their asses for the way the have run America into the ground. Talk about hate and blame. The lines about elderly care being withheld is a big lie. Actually, all of the comments are full on lies. You can’t be reading the same bill as the rest of us. Wait, sorry some of you must be just unable to read and comprehend. All and all what is fueling all of the lies is hatred. You hate President Obama and no matter what he does it will never be right for the right. It is really sad and pathetic to read your comments and hear all of the crap on radio from those airbags but the comments but very informative. It is a glimpse into insanity, jealously and hatred few of us have seen before. Get over yourselves and believing that the right is always right and you are the only ones that care about the constitution. You will all have nervous breakdowns if most of you already haven’t one? You need to stay healthy to watch the change from the last eight years of hell and the trampling of the constitution to an America where we feeling relief that the econmy has been put back on the right course and yes, President Obama and this administration right all along. This talk full of lies and venom, oh and the threat to take up arms, is the most unpatriotic crap I have ever heard. Pop another pill and go to bed!!

Feb 10, 2009 - 8:42 pm 58. Jim Baker:

My father used to preach to me that 20% of the people do 80% of the work, and that as long as I made sure I was part of that 20%, I would not have to worry about my future. Well he died about 18 years ago(just before Clinton) and he never imagined what we have today. He hated war and wept for America’s kids during Desert Storm, but he fought in WW2 because he thought American liberty was worth fighting for. I expect that he was the smartest man I ever knew, but he never knew that his country would elect an enemy of liberty as its President. He also never lived in a society that could not reward hard work, even if it wanted to, even though that is where we are hell bent to go.
Since I have raised my own sons, I now understand the encouragement and optimism he always tried to instill in me. My question is, how will my sons encourage their children to be optimistic and focus on being their productive best? I feel this is the question we will all be asking when we try to conjure up the old days.
Maybe the greatest challenge since the one faced by the founders awaits us.

Feb 10, 2009 - 9:13 pm 59. joe:

carolyn

the perfect example of sipping too much Kool Aid.
Her thoughts are the face of the new America

Feb 11, 2009 - 3:29 am 60. Rusty:

Carolyn is Pat J or is it the other way around. It doesn’t matter they’re both drinking from the same ol’ kool aid.

Feb 11, 2009 - 6:15 am 61. Right Far Right:

Oh goody more about the bc here!. You and the holocaust denyers have the same mentality

Feb 11, 2009 - 7:33 am 62. Pat J:

51. Chippy:
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Thank you for anwering my queries and your civility. You I also appreciate it when others invite me to look these things up as opposed to going off of a rant like I did. I just have a habit of dismissing half the things Mongoose says because he comes across as a bit paranoid.

That being said.

1. I actually knew that but was questing why Mongoose said “either Fanny or Freddie.” Rahm Emmanuel in my opinion is a bit of a shady character.

2. Obama’s birth certificate has been legitimized in several instances. It is only libelious knuckle-dragging fringe-dwelling right wing parrots like Jerome Corsi who keep bringing that issue up.

3. The progressives need to exercise some patience. Let’s fix the economy first then move forward. And by the way. Obama is calling for a sensible withdraw of troops beginning in March 2009.

4. I wish I had heard more about this. Thanks.

5. That 80% is legit. Terrific news for the world!

6. “In one heavily Democratic town miraculously discovered 100 missing ballots. And, in another marvel, they were all for Al Franken! It was like a completely evil version of a Christmas miracle.”

You got the above quote from Ann Coulter. Who has recently been accused of…voter fraud!

7. As has been proven in many instances, ACORN itself discovered the “bad forms.” The are required by law to turn in all voter forms even those that are deemed problematic. No criminal charges have ever been brought up agains ACORN and partner organizations regarding voter fraud. And let’s not forget the many decent things ACORN does. LIke helping in the Gulf Coast recovery of Katrina.

Feb 11, 2009 - 7:56 am 63. Right Far Right:

Eric – Brilliant, but stupid. Amazing you admit you want your own country to fail. With loyal Americans like you, why do we ned any enemies. Somehow I doubt if those thousands of American who have lost their jobs are going to sympathize with you. Pathetic

Feb 11, 2009 - 9:31 am 64. Marc Malone:

#63 Right Far Right – He didn’t say he wants the country to fail. He said he wants to starve the socialist beast. He wants this drive towards Socialism to fail. Do not conflate Socialism with the country’s success.

Besides, his solution is the natural response to Obama’s stated campaign goal of raising taxes on the wealthy. Those making his family’s combined income would get hit hard. He’s taking Obama at his word. How can you complain? If you disincentivize wealth, then people will not seek it. It’s more work than it’s worth. This is the natural result. You can now see it in action.

Small businessmen are doing the same thing. That’s why the huge job loss numbers since Obama’s election. They continue apace. It’s not the economy. It’s people’s reaction to the Dems’ actions. But, I guess you think Eric’s actions are just unpatriotic, because paying taxes is patriotic.

Feb 11, 2009 - 12:08 pm 65. marymcl:

~”Obama’s birth certificate has been legitimized in several instances. It is only libelious knuckle-dragging fringe-dwelling right wing parrots like Jerome Corsi who keep bringing that issue up.”

Name one. And how is that you and Nancy Pelosi are the only people in America who get to “legitimate” it? First principles, Einstein.

I’ll tell you something else for nothing, the overuse of time-worn adjectives is a time-tested signature of empty arguments. And you might try being civil first sometime. Frankly you’re out of your league with mongoose, and you tried to posture your way out of it. For what it’s worth, when I read your posts, I hear Joan Crawford’s voice. Figuratively speaking, of course.

Feb 11, 2009 - 12:29 pm 66. Jim Baker:

Right far Right,

I can do the same thing Eric is doing if it comes to that. If I have to go to one income because the tax burden is too onerous for both of our incomes, then I will. My choice will always be to look out for my family first. You will not be able to count on my hard work to pay for Obama’s socialist agenda.
Obama has not shown the intention to raise my taxes to those levels yet, but he should be aware that he won’t have to push taxes very far before you collectivists get hung out to dry.
This has never been a discussion about patriotism, but it has become a problem for liberty.

Feb 11, 2009 - 12:48 pm 67. hobbit:

Wife and I have discussed the Galt approach also. Somehow you get the feeling this has never once occurred to the left as even possible.
Oh well, their loss, it’ll be just one more lesson for them…

Feb 11, 2009 - 1:24 pm 68. Pat J:

~”Obama’s birth certificate has been legitimized in several instances. It is only libelious knuckle-dragging fringe-dwelling right wing parrots like Jerome Corsi who keep bringing that issue up.”

Name one.
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Jerome Corsi?

Feb 11, 2009 - 1:52 pm 69. BERLET98:

We also learned that Helen Thomas, the Witch of Washington, is alive and well:

Okay, so it’s not nice to make fun of old ladies, or old men, for that matter, but when the old lady is Helen Thomas, a D.C. fixture for almost 50 years, exceptions could and should be made.
Thomas is seen here with Gerald Ford in 1975 while still in her, relative, prime:

Fox News Channel talk show host Bill O’Reilly and writer/commentator Bernie Goldberg have been raked over the coals for criticizing and ridiculing Thomas for cackling at Obama’s press conference Monday. See the one-sided story and video here: http://www.asylum.com/2009/02/11/oreilly-caws-like-a-crow-and-other-moments-in-punditry/?icid=200100397×1219027621×1201241210.

This is admittedly extremely rude, sort of Helen-Thomas-like, but she has never been a “looker,” which is an unfortunate fact of life which often accounts for biddies and/or frustrated reporter-ettes evolving into shrieking, cackling, angry harridans, a profile which could have been written for Ms. Thomas.

It’s important to realize that Thomas is not just your average old lady, not a grand- and great-grandmotherly type who forgets her keys and maybe even where she lives. She seems far from that stage. When she gets down in the political trenches, which is her usual venue, she need not be accorded any more deference than any other political maven or maven-ette.

Simply because she happens to be twice Katie Couric’s age and more, like Couric, when she exceeds the bounds of civil political reporting and questioning, she deserves to get her comeuppance. If she can’t stand the heat Good Ol’ Helen should vacate the political kitchen, a scenario which is as likely as Couric’s wising up and retreating to limited appearances on The View.

Of course, with Obama, for whom she carries on as she might have as a young girl with Rudolph Valentino, Thomas isn’t likely to get overly pushy or downright rude as she has in the past with Republican presidents. She did ask one pertinent, and absurd, question of the new president when she referred to “these so-called terrorists” in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

As they say, Helen is Helen and she has a history.

Six years ago, speaking before an expectedly enthused audience at an MIT Communications Forum, she took the gloves off her gnarled hands and said, “I censored myself for 50 years when I was a reporter. Now I wake up and ask myself, ‘Who do I hate today?’ “

Now, isn’t that just special! For years assigned a front row seat at presidential briefings and news conferences, Ms. Thomas starts her day with determining the source of her venom….

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)

Feb 12, 2009 - 12:02 am 70. Not resigned:

I agree a march won’t influence these nitwits in congress. Their phones, faxes and emails have created a blizzard of no’s on the so called stimulus…all to no avail.
I wonder what would happen if 57 million people decided they wouldn’t pay any taxes? Can they arrest 57 million people. How many more would join the 57 million if this happened? What if every conservative, every liberitarian, every independent and every blue dog democrat decided the government didn’t need their money. How many would that be? What would the government do? Is this what is meant by Power to the people? This is why the income tax is illegal it gives the government power and information over each of us. If there was a federal sales tax people would have the power to refuse to support the government legally by buying less or using barter or any number of ways around letting the government use our money anyway they see fit, such as subverting the constituion and our liberties. If (a big if) we ever get representation in our government again we must insist the IRS be totally disbanded along with all records. We must insist on a constitutional amendment that states there will never be another tax system like the IRS put in place in the United States. We must also insist they amend the constitution to include a balanced budget.

Feb 12, 2009 - 4:16 pm 71. mr. burns:

The soviet union collapsed because communism doesn’t work. We are now at the first stages of the collapse of socialism in the western democracies. Socialism doesnt work either. The dollar is a piece of paper backed by nothing but faith in the United States government. That faith is diminishing. At the same time the number of dollars is increasing .

An armed revolution wont be necessary. Socialism destroys itself. In the case of the US it will be by destruction of the currency. The trick is to survive the collapse. The constitution recommends God, guns and gold as requisites to a free society, so make sure you have enough.

Feb 13, 2009 - 8:59 am 72. bill-tb:

I would say it was right up there with the Obama-Oprah Show.

Did you see the ratings — Hah. Compare to Clinton it was like 60% of Clintons first press conference. Obammunism is not a big seller in America. Might work fine in Kenya or Indonesia, but America will take a pass.

Feb 13, 2009 - 1:24 pm

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