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When Rabbis Spread Anti-Israel Libel
American Jewish progressives launch a new front in the propaganda war. (Also read Ron Radosh on The NY Times' Schizophrenic Reporting and Phyllis Chesler: Truth on Trial)
“Rabbis shouldn’t get involved in politics because then everyone will be able to see how stupid they really are.” Seldom has the truth of this aphorism been more apparent than with the recent signing of rabbis on to the Brit Tzedek “Letter to Obama.”
Although a self-proclaimed human rights organization, Brit Tzedek is nothing more than another progressive interest group whose policies are designed to demolish Israel’s existence. Brit Tzedek advocates Israel’s retreat to the pre-1967 boundaries (Abba Eban’s “Auschwitz borders”) and equates, in the form of moral equivalence, the targeting of Hamas terrorists with the targeting of Israeli school children.
Brit Tzedek’s primary weapon is documenting Israeli human rights abuses, real and imaginary. No accusation against Israel is too incredible. No source too questionable.
In Brit Tzedek’s mindset, since there is no human rights crime of which Israel is incapable, every accusation must be true. The Brit Tzedek narrative is that Palestinian hatred of Israel is justified because of the abuses the Palestinians have suffered at the hands of the Israelis. In this, its ideology is identical to the more extreme Jewish Voice for Peace and Students for Justice in Palestine.
Israeli civilians murdered by suicide bombers or living under the trauma of random rocket attacks in Sderot are immune from Brit Tzedek’s compassion. The question a Sderot law student posed of the United Nations Human Rights Council as to why there is a total lack of concern for the human rights of people like her could be posed to Brit Tzedek. And the implicit answer would be the same: Israelis are not deserving of human rights.
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Abraham H. Miller is an emeritus professor of political science and a former head of the Intelligence Studies Section of the International Studies Association.
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1. syn:It breaks my heart to say this, however it’s over for Israel; the current administration will throw Israel to the slaughterers in order to keep peace in the middle-east.
It’s like the 54% Catholics voting for the current administration who are now humiliated by the fact that they empowered abortion while betraying God and their faith, 78% of Jews voting for the current administration will be humiliated by the fact that they empowered the extermination of Israel and brought about another holocaust.
None can say they didn’t see any of this coming since it was always clear what the current administration stands for.
Farewell Israel, I tried everything I could to keep the current administration out of office; my heart is clean of any guilt.
Jan 27, 2009 - 4:19 am 2. David Thomson:Liberal rabbis are first, last, and foremost, a bunch of guilt tripped white dudes. The darker skinned Palestinian radicals must inherently be victims of white Israeli oppression. It really is that simple. But why am I one of the very few willing to discuss this harsh reality? Does anybody seriously believe the Israelis would still be severely criticized if the Palestinians looked like blue eyed and blond haired Aryans?
Jan 27, 2009 - 4:26 am 3. don:I’m sure the forbears of Brit Tzedek were helpful during the endloesung, making sure their co-religionists were properly lined up (and not hiding) during “De-lousing”.
Jan 27, 2009 - 4:35 am 4. Rotwang:It’s hard to think of anything one could say about Israel that would actually qualify as “libel.”
Jan 27, 2009 - 5:19 am 5. David Thomson:“It’s like the 54% Catholics voting for the current administration”
Barack Obama was the beneficiary of white Catholics feeling guilt over racial injustice. The majority voted for him simply to prove “I’m not a racist.” They conveniently ignored the abortion issue and pretended that “we can dialogue with Obama at a later date. He is supposedly open to new ways of looking at things.” That’s all there is to it.
Jan 27, 2009 - 5:36 am 6. Ret7army:Syn,
Jan 27, 2009 - 5:38 am 7. Mongoose:Do not forget to pray, for there is still the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Consider the prayer of Solomon and Daniel’s practice of it…
Rotwang: Actually it is hard to think of anything said about Israel by the Left and the Muslims that is not libel. And you would know that if you would get your head out of the Left Wing media bubble. You have it exactly backwards.
Someone like you should be forced to live over there with their families. You would come back completely changed, or not come back at all.
You need to stop supporting the enemies of your civilization and the useful idiots that they manipulate.
Jan 27, 2009 - 6:12 am 8. Mongoose:He will not get that 54% again.
BTW, we do not know the racial breakdown of that 54%.
There is a very large Hispanic and AA segment to the Catholic vote.
The Pope has now openly condemned that abortion move. Many now look very foolish in their communities. If the current pope does not die in the next two years, one can expect that the senior clergy will be quite vocal about this.
I doubt if Obama will be able to keep together the voters that he managed to hoodwink last year. It will break up by the end of the year, I’d bet.
Jan 27, 2009 - 6:18 am 9. syn:“They conveniently ignored”
I prayed every moment their eyes would open to what would come about if they chose to ignore the truth before them; now it is too late.
Jan 27, 2009 - 6:30 am 10. Mimi:as someone who is not jewish, I have a question about jews. when progressive jews take their position on israel are they thinking or perhaps feeling without even being conscious of it that no matter what happens the US will always be on Israel’s side? Does that undergird their political positions? Or do they think that the arabs and muslims will, under the right conditions, become liberal and tolerant?
The gene of self preservation, jews and white people are losing it. I don’t mean to be racist, though people will say so. But there is something curious about people who have nothing good to say about their history, their ancestors, their nations, their heritage. No one else in the world thinks like that. No one. Not only are they full of self love, but they are very racist, intolerant, bigoted. I don’t even mean this in a mean way. That is the way of human beings. Only westerners have managed to escape that way of being to any extent.
Surely there is a way to value one’s own without being hateful. But the choice seems to be either you hate yourself or you are a racist.
Anti jewish jews and liberals may get what they want in a way they do not expect. Already there is a huge propaganda machine telling us Israel is bad and preparing us for their elimination. This machine is getting stronger. At the same time, the demographics are changing. Has it occurred to anyone that when the US is majority “minority” there will be few who support Israel? If the jews have to leave Israel, where will they go? To those who say that will never happen, why do you think that? You must know something I don’t know.
Jan 27, 2009 - 6:50 am 11. Paul from Hamburg:It has been said before: Most American Jews are very religious, but their religion is not Judaism, it’s liberalism.
To many of its founders and early supporters, Israel was not just supposed to be a homeland for Jews; it was also supposed to be a socialist nation. The founding of Israel was very closely tied to communism. With that in mind, it is easy to understand why many liberal/left-wing Jews believe that Israel has lost her soul.
Jan 27, 2009 - 6:52 am 12. Mike2:In my mind those rabbis that signed on are apostates, the new Herodians. Israel is now, more than ever, on its own like it was in 1948.
Jan 27, 2009 - 7:08 am 13. RV:———————————————
Becoming John Galt
The article is exactly right, the use of White Phosphorus is not prohiited by law. It does, however, go far and above beyond the concepts of morality and humanity to use the stuff in any conflict on planet Earth. It is beyond belief that the stuff is still legal to use. But, I understand that that means little to nothing about a people who care more about the end than the means to that end.
Jan 27, 2009 - 7:38 am 14. james:RV,
Jan 27, 2009 - 7:50 am 15. Bryan:How stupid is that? Would you prefer that Israelis launch missiles indiscriminately into Arab housing blocks?
As for the rabbis, Jewish self-hatred is one of the most curious, but common, human inanities. Karl Marx himself was a virulent anti-Semite, and he has a lot of company.
But these rabbis, and the people like RV who love them, should remember what the great Paul Johnson has said: Anti-Semites always turn out to be anti-human. Always.
Catholics obviously do not care about how they look in there “communities.” Yes 54% voted for Obama, but 47% voted for Kerry and 50% voted for Gore. 53% for Clinton in 1996. 44% for Clinton in 1992 (to Bush’s 35%)
Jan 27, 2009 - 7:55 am 16. Briney:Catholics never overwhelmingly, and most often vote against, what their Pope would like them to do.
Pointing out that 54% voted this time for more abortions means nothing. 53% did the same 16 years ago.
Obviously the Pope holds little sway over how Catholics feel they should vote.
Israel will do what it must to survive, without her so-called allies. America, under this congress, will sit by while the World, (like ravening wolves) keeps tearing at Israel; of that I have no doubt.
These Rabbis, in an orgy of self-hate, are sacrificing Israel on their alter of self-righteous guilt and that is proof of the supernatural deficit these nuts are experiencing. I have great faith that God will come to Israel’s aid.
Jan 27, 2009 - 8:08 am 17. Christopher Smith:Personally I never gave two sh*ts about Israel.
Still don’t.
Jan 27, 2009 - 8:11 am 18. Pat J:Wow. Over 1000 rabbis have signed the letter to Obama. I read the FAQs. These rabbis favore a two-state solution and peace. There’s nothing wrong with that. And how is the use of a special envoy ridiculous? Nothing got done in the last 8 years by either the resident or the secretary of state. The rabbis as useful idiots? How about concerned human beings? It seems to me they are not turning their back on Israel. They love and understand Israel a lot better than a lot of people.
Jan 27, 2009 - 8:26 am 19. Jillian:Although I’m not Jewish I find the mad scramble among too many of them to be known a s “good Jews”,as opposed to the kind who resist being exterminated, as both despicable and stupid.The vicious Jew haters of the “Arab world” and Europe won’t be bought off with that any sooner to-day than they were seventy years ago and they will cheerfully butcher the “progressive” Jews along with the resisting ones.Its their nature you see.
Jan 27, 2009 - 8:27 am 20. james:Christopher,
Jan 27, 2009 - 8:27 am 21. DonJoe:That is not a contribution. It’s a waste of space. It would be better if you explained why you don’t and why you do care about other places. Like Zimbabwe, maybe?
Israel’s enemies are many. Every player are just about where they need to be in order that God might show Himself. While others abandon Israel, God has not.
Israel is surrounded by her enemies and the current administration will show themselves to be no friend. Obama may or may not be “Muslim”, he is however a slave to Islam, a dhimmi. He will negotiate with countries that really have no interest in negotiating, he and his policies will only buy Israel’s enemies time. Time to develop weapons and coalitions.
The Bible states that the Nations of the earth will come against Israel. (Ezekiel 38). This is inevitable. However; when the future history is revealed in God’s Holy Scripture, He wins PERIOD (Ezekiel 39).
Here is a preview:
“Do not keep silent, O God! Do not hold Your peace, And do not be still, O God! For behold, Your enemies make a tumult; And those who hate You have lifted up their head. They have taken crafty counsel against Your people, And consulted together against Your sheltered ones. They have said, “Come, and let us cut them off from [being] a nation, That the name of Israel may be remembered no more.” (Psalm 83:1-4)
Now read the rest of Psalm 83, you will know the future of Israel’s enemies.
“Let them be confounded and dismayed forever; Yes, let them be put to shame and perish, That they may know that You, whose name alone [is] the LORD, [Are] the Most High over all the earth.”
Those who come against Israel are in a no win situation. Israel doesn’t need ANY coalition, they need only to turn to God.
Jan 27, 2009 - 8:31 am 22. Mike McConnell:Christopher Smith: Your post is extremely well thought out and well written,thanks for sharing it, but no one asked you for it because no one cares
Jan 27, 2009 - 8:32 am 23. Susan:Pat J: Its wonderful that the Rabbis all favor a two state solution,its too bad that the Palestinians didn’t want one in 1948 and still don’t want one to-day. What they want is the extermination of the Jews, not two contiguous states living in peace,so the Rabbis are blowing smoke and hot air
Jan 27, 2009 - 8:37 am 24. goy:@RV: - It is beyond belief that the stuff is still legal to use.
Hardly. What’s actually “beyond belief” is the U.N. giving a complete pass to the so-called “palestinians” for their thousands of unprovoked, random rocket attacks against civilians and their numerous suicide bombings targeting civilians (at least the latter are no longer rewarded at $25k per by Saddam Hussein). This shows the U.N.’s deep “concern” for humanity as exactly what it is – empty rhetoric and double standards.
The Jews are not going to leave Israel, and there is no conceivable justification for expecting them to do so. Nor are they going to go quietly into the night as so many other gutless cultures seem to want to do in the face of islamist terrorism.
Bolton is right. The only practical, realist solution to this current situation is to revert control of Gaza and the West Bank to Egyptian and Jordanian control. Under the current arrangement only Israel is ever held accountable for its actions, which have been universally in pursuit of self-defense after months or years of provocation by proxy/pseudo-states which have no accountability in any forum.
But of course the lack of resolution on this issue is the perpetual failure of the incompetent and utterly useless U.N. The sooner that festering pustule of corruption and incompetence is excised from Manhattan and dumped in Brussels where it belongs, the better for everyone.
Jan 27, 2009 - 8:37 am 25. Steve P.:So hear me out on this…..
If a Semite marries and anti-Semite, wouldn’t they be unable to reproduce?
I mean, logically, the Semite and anti-Semite genes would cancel each other out and you’d be left with nothing, right?
Maybe that’s why Semites and anti-Semites don’t get along, because they understand that they cannot produce viable offspring together, so what’s the point in even trying for better race relations?
Jan 27, 2009 - 8:39 am 26. WestWright:I do not understand the affinity of the American Jews to far left tyranny….they supported Stalin and Hitler until forced to choose and then they supported Stalin who is the King of Holocaust against their own relatively free country….it just boggles the mind! The Jews in America are in need of rereading the History of the European Jews, especially in Eastern Europe pre & post WWII.
Jan 27, 2009 - 9:02 am 27. DoktorNo:A bit off-topic:
What is wrong with advocating Israel’s borders, before Six-Day War?
Jan 27, 2009 - 9:04 am 28. AnninCA:I recall reading that there was overwhelming support for this move on Hamas in Israel, so perhaps these “progressives” are strident because their voice there is sort of quiet right now.
Jan 27, 2009 - 9:05 am 29. goy:@DoktorNo: Bolton has made essentially this suggestion. It won’t be pursued for at least three reasons:
1. Because the new U.S. administration is set to “cooperate with (read: subordinate America’s sovereignty to) the U.N., the left and the entrenched media (oops – repeated myself) have decided that it’s fashionable to ridicule Bolton, irrespective of whether or not his suggestions make the most sense.
2. The original border arrangement would cause Egypt and Jordan (or Syria, depending upon whose claim one recognizes) to be held accountable for further random rocket attacks against civilians directed from within their borders. Even if funding currently being poured into the West Bank and Gaza (from EU, etc.) were directed there via those governments, they don’t want that responsibility.
3. This arrangement forces Egypt’s and Jordan’s (or Syria’s) hands regarding Iran, which is the instigator in most of the attacks by so-called “palestinians” against Israel.
Jan 27, 2009 - 9:28 am 30. SAF:There is an old Jewish saying: Two Jews in an argument will have three opinions. There have been Jewish Israeli haters since Israel became a state. They continue on.
I think these Jews are motivated by jealousy: They don’t have the balls to stand up to anybody and resent Israelis for doing so.
It is amazing to me how pettiness seems to trump the survival instinct.
Jan 27, 2009 - 9:37 am 31. Steve P.:WestWright says: I do not understand the affinity of the American Jews to far left tyranny….they supported Stalin and Hitler until forced to choose and then they supported Stalin who is the King of Holocaust against their own relatively free country….it just boggles the mind!
I think the only mind here that is boggled is yours. No American Jews supported Hitler. I have no idea where you got that from.
Jan 27, 2009 - 9:47 am 32. RV:@Goy -
I agree with Bolton on this. Gaza and the west bank must be turned over to already recognized states. I would support Israel taking the land as long as they give every inhabitant there legal citenzship under their law.
And to the issue of the UN, I agree with you that the UN is an incompetent organization that has done nothing to either condemn or stop the rocket attacks from Gaza.
However, neither of these things has anything to do with how horrible a substance white phosphorus is, and the need for all nations who actually care about life to stop using it.
Jan 27, 2009 - 10:04 am 33. goy:@RV: I’m glad you agree that Bolton’s suggestion makes sense.
But politicians, talking heads and unelected bureaucrats who make an issue of Israel’s (scant) use of white ph., or who whinge about “disproportionate response” are simply attempting to direct attention away from the real problem: the U.N. and most of the world turning a blind eye to islamist terrorism funded and encouraged by Iran, without which the white ph. question would never have come up.
Jan 27, 2009 - 10:14 am 34. barry 0351:I don’t believe American Jews are really Kosher, The American Jews desert Israel everytime the country needs them I just don’t think American jews are really Jews anymore.
Jan 27, 2009 - 10:35 am 35. Tex Taylor:Ironic that most Jews in America, obviously very proud to call themselves Jewish, would in fact be diametrically opposed to about everything Elohim, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would stand for. Same could be said of many calling themselves Catholic and Jesus.
You can faithfully attend your synagogue, never miss a Mass, and know absolutely nothing of what it means to worship your Creator; meaningless acts, in fact offensive to God. Either get hot or cold, but quit straddling the fence, hiding a truly rebellious nature by some feckless acts of symbolism.
And if the truth offends some, I say tough.
Jan 27, 2009 - 11:06 am 36. mohammed:Israel is a murderous state founded on falsehood. Like the vampires they will always bay for more blood from time to time. A jewish homeland does have to be founded in Palestine. Europe exported its problem to Palestine. Madagascar and Uganda were some of the countries considered by the British before they settled for Palestine. This group of rabbi’s should be honored for standing up to bigotry, racism and genocide. Israel will not have peace until it gives the Palestinians their due.
Jan 27, 2009 - 11:13 am 37. Queen:barry 0351 ‘…The American Jews desert Israel everytime the country needs them I just don’t think American jews are really Jews anymore.’
It’s strange that you havent seen yet what they saw long ago. They know that Israel doesnt want peace and that’s it.
Jan 27, 2009 - 11:40 am 38. tatsat:let me rephrase this for you, mohd.
Jan 27, 2009 - 12:18 pm 39. Mongoose:The ummah kept jooz as our dhimmi dogs (even if they always had plurality in Jerusalem). But the Ottomans got into WW1 on the losing side and the League of Nations gave the land back to that unspeakable nation, the one that saw through your namesake’s prophesying and had none of it. In spite of the British putting the squeeze on them during the Mandate days, they are BACK! And that “humiliates” every member of the ummah from London to Malaysia… Good thing we picked up some devices from Brezhnev’s toolbox like “national struggle” and “racism” (oh and to scream “genocide” when a Hamas bomb shop is taken out).
Bryan: there is a difference. The Hierarchy has new directives under the current Pope. They were not so vocal back in the other years that you cite.
So there is a difference. There are a lot of embarrassed people in American catholic churches about Obama right now.
Jan 27, 2009 - 12:21 pm 40. Oscar the Grump:I really wonder what congregations these Rabbis represent; and, if their congregations are aware of what these Rabbis are doing. There are many liberal Jews in the Reform and Reconstructionist groups. However, just because they might be liberal doesn’t make them take an anti-Israel stand. Ultimately these people will vote their convictions when it is time to renew their Rabbis contract. These Rabbis could easily pay for their hubris. That aside, there are many Rabbis who represent nothing. Being made a Rabbi doesn’t guarantee them a position, its only a degree like PHD.
What is important is that these signature Rabbis have bit on the one sided reporting. An example of which is Bob Simon’s recent report on 60 Minutes. Israel bashing has become vogue. Its taken a long time for it to happen: but, we can thank our dear friends the Wahabists of Saudi Arabia for starting this in 1956 after the Israeli war. At first they were the only ones to pursue this. As it started having an effect, other groups have added their voice. I’m not sure when the left joined in. I’ve met left wing Jews who are bitter enemies of Israel. One curious point, many of these left wing Jews are products of mixed marriages. Some have never identified as Jews but carry a Jewish surname.
What really bothers me is when different Christian groups buy into the propaganda. They get lots of press as they sell their stock in companies doing business in Israel and get lots of press when they come out with statements condemning Israel’s actions. I would like to see the Anglican, Methodist, Baptist or any Christian group open a church in an Moslem country. Maybe we could get these liberal Rabbis to open a synagogue in those same Moslem countries along with their Christian buddies. Imagine the newly opened church in Damascus, Saint Cohen’s.
Jan 27, 2009 - 12:32 pm 41. Former Belgian:ya muhammad, koos amak ya ibn sharmuta
Jan 27, 2009 - 12:38 pm 42. Oscar the Grump:Mo-hammed
Jan 27, 2009 - 12:43 pm 43. goy:How have you been Mo? I’ve really missed you. Well spoken, well said. I love your catch words, ” murderous state, vampires, bigotry, racism, and genocide.” One quick question, isn’t Madagascar a Moslem country? You would wish that on your Moslem brothers. Or, maybe you wouldn’t care because they are black.
On an abstract level Brit Tzedek isn’t much different from the collection of fallen scientists who make up the core of the waning scientific “consensus” regarding the anthropogenic global warming myth.
They’ve abandoned the traditions, history and people that have provided them with what little significance they enjoy. They seek approval and notoriety through obeisance to politically correct ideology. They ignore reason, facts and morality.
Jan 27, 2009 - 12:57 pm 44. Former Belgian:#40: how about these “liberal” “rabbis” open a “gay” synagogue led by a lesbian rabbi in Saudi Arabia? They can call it “shaarei tokhes”.
But seriously, at least some of the Xian denominations you mention are actually operating smaller churches in Arab Muslim countries. (I am not including Lebanon or Syria, neither of which is explicitly Muslim and both of which have large Xian groups — Maronite Catholic and Eastern Orthodox, respectively. Egypt has the Coptic Catholic minority, arguably the “true” Egyptians.) At least one of the motivations for their despicable behavior may be protecting their own congregations there from harassment.
Jan 27, 2009 - 12:57 pm 45. Mongoose:Steve P: Actually, early on there was limited support for Hitler in the Jewish community
It was based around the Haavara Agreement.
http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconhaa.html
It was more of a pragmatic arrangement — they got more out of them then they did out of the Weimer administration — than it was an assent to the National Socialist ideology (there is that word again). Also, one must remember that the Nazis concealed the true nature of their program in the early years of their ascendancy, not unlike this piece of lying filth BHO. Much like the Democrats have attempted to mask their communist goals these last 50 years or so, the National Socialists lied to the people of Germany about what they actually intended to do. Many people at first thought the National Socialists (that word again!) where clowns and that it would just blow over and all there collectivist venom was just for show. (sorta like that clown BHO).
They certainly supported Stalin initially. Many of the key figures of USSR were Jewish.
Jew were greatly overrepresented in the Gulag system once Stalin turned on them.
Thus it is with socialists and communists: They are fundamentally immoral people. They hate God and Liberty, so of course they hate the Jews. That is why they hate White people too.
That vile little poseur of yours, Obama, hates the Jews as a matter of course. He can do nothing other than that. He is a committed communist. They have no morality whatsoever, as history well proves.
In any event, your glib dismissal misses the point completely.
Secular, and particularly atheist, Jews have had a habit of projecting religious impulses on to the State and Statist ideologies. It is a perverse projection of the Talmudic tradition onto the State and its enabling ideologies. They are used initially, for they are gifted writers and artists, but in the end this always comes back on them with great violence.
It is often said that when Jews sin, they sin mightily.
So it is with secular, political, Leftist Jews
In the 20th century, the scum that makes up the Democrat Party have used them in their perverse war against America, but now they are finding other minorities to use. Some of these, Muslims for example, are murderous enemies of the Jews. History is repeating itself and these Jews to will reap the whirlwind. Faithful Jews, however, must also suffer for the perfidy of their secular brethren. As all leftists do, leftist Jew will not take responsibility for their actions, even as they are lead to the slaughter house. Of course, this time around we all will suffer for the betrayal of, well, people like you.
But you knew all this, you just are too dishonest to admit it.
Jan 27, 2009 - 1:09 pm 46. Mongoose:Mohammed: No, Islam is a murderous faith founded on falsehood. In the end it will be suppressed, if for now other reason it has adherents such as yourself. As always, you have reality completely backwards. But then, you can do no other. Just like your namesake.
But there is a greater reason. Islam if a perversion of faith, and God will act against it.
He has already acted against it: The Arabs live in a 14th century mindset. They will remain there. When oil is no longer vauable, it will be back to tents and camels for them. Dubai will be a ghost town, and a monument to the arrogance of the Arab. Sand blowing across cracked pavement, superstitious Arabs huddling and mumbling in their own ruins.
The Jews will still be around living as civilized human beings. All of your hatred cannot stop that. You are too small to stop it.
Jan 27, 2009 - 1:18 pm 47. Oscar the Grump:Former Belgian
Jan 27, 2009 - 1:51 pm 48. Dan:You are right about Xian churches existing in those countries. Xians in those countries live under dhimmi status. They are subject to the powers that are there. By the way Eastern Orthodox are called Syrian Orthodox in Syria.(By the way that’s where Santa Claus comes from. He was Syrian Orthodox.)
Many Maronite Catholics have abandoned their native Lebanon. As the Islamist movement is growing the Coptic Christians have started suffering in Egypt.
These “rabbis” are not at all rabbis. They are liberal Jews who sympothize with terrorists. Their qualifications do not meet the accepted standard for receiving smicha, which is the hebrew word for becoming a rabbi. These liberal idiots should never ever be confused with real rabbis!!!
Jan 27, 2009 - 3:36 pm 49. Knights13:“Personally I never gave two sh*ts about Israel.
Still don’t.”
Yeah, I don’t give a s*it about land that much either but when people live there then the situation changes. Especially kids get anyones attention.
Jan 27, 2009 - 3:52 pm 50. Bill:RV:
“The article is exactly right, the use of White Phosphorus is not prohiited by law. It does, however, go far and above beyond the concepts of morality and humanity to use the stuff in any conflict on planet Earth. It is beyond belief that the stuff is still legal to use. ”
Don’t be a fool. Fire has been a weapon of war since the first cave man to pick up a burning branch. What, you think there’s a nice weapon? High explosive is somehow more ‘moral?’ The notion that Willie Pete is in some way more horrific than a flamethrower or any of the other ingenious devices for burning up the enemy is manufactured (and ignorant) Lefty hysteria.
Jan 27, 2009 - 4:03 pm 51. Knights13:“Israel’s enemies are many.”
That’s an accurate statement. You wonder which one wants to do you harm more or how they collaborate to weaken you or see you at their mercy.
Jan 27, 2009 - 4:28 pm 52. Raving Rabbi:Please remember that most liberal Jewish groups primarily train their rabbinical students in social work, thereby attracting the most liberal of the liberals.
Jan 27, 2009 - 4:43 pm 53. WestGuard:You’d have a hard time getting 3 Orthodox rabbis fooled enough to sign this. Traditional Jewish morality teaches that “If one comes to kill you, wake up before him and kill him,” that one forfeits his life when he wants to take yours. Even if he puts himself into a situation where he MIGHT be forced to kill you, and you kill him, you’re not liable. (Exodus 22:1)
Nor are there hard rules against civilian deaths: There was no punishment (just rebuke) to Simeon & Levi for holding passive civilians liable for their leader’s immoral behavior. (Genesis 34) There wasn’t even rebuke for Samson’s “bringing down the house” on a stadium of government officials and probably 99% civilians. (Judges 17:27-30) Verse 27 gives the impression that since the 3,000 came to watch Samson be made sport of, they were culpable. King David used the killing of Prisoners of War to discourage further attacks (2 Samuel 8:2), and declared that even killing children was fitting retribution for the butchery of the Babylonians. (Psalms 137:8 – 9)
It would seem that traditional Jewish morality would put the lives of Israeli soldiers and civilians way before the lives of Palestinian civilians. It would seem to say that Israel has the right – indeed the responsibility – to do WHATEVER it takes to stop the build-up, the shelling, the suicide bombings and the kidnappings of their sworn enemies.
Now THAT’S morality – not misguided mush-headedness!
These treasonous rabbis are like malignant cells infected with HIV that have turned on their own host.
Jan 27, 2009 - 5:16 pm 54. ex-Democrat:isslam is just another totalitarian ideology in the mold of communism, fascism, and nazism.
Israel is used by the isslamists for their murderous ends to islamicize the world.
Silly American “Jews” think they can appease the isslamic beast by throwing their Israeli brethren into its jaws.
These would have been the same people holding the doors to the gas chambers and singing for the S.S. in the evenings at Auschwitz.
isslam must be stopped.
Let’s roll.
Jan 27, 2009 - 7:14 pm 55. Queen:Belgian:
“ya muhammad, koos amak ya ibn sharmuta“
This tells us exactly how uneducated and illiterate you are. You’ll die blind minded until your last breath I bet…
Mongoose:
“Mohammed: No, Islam is a murderous faith founded on falsehood….“
What do you know about Islam ? Bombing Iraq for stealing it’s oil is the religion of peace ? Killing blindly Palestine children is the religion of God ? Shame on you. After all you want Muslims to close their hands ? Keep dreaming
“The Arabs live in a 14th century mindset. They will remain there….. Dubai will be a ghost town, and a monument to the arrogance of the Arab……..“
Hahaha that’s funny… Those Arabs living in 14th century mindset shake your 21st century brains. They increase the production of valiums in your pharmacies helping you get sleep.
“When oil is no longer vauable, it will be back to tents and camels for them…“
You are waiting for oil to be no longer valuable. Keep waiting !! Bush wouldn’t kill all those marines if he thought for a second that oil would one day be no longer valuable. You know what ? Pls seek an appointment with your nearest psychic and make sure you do it today because your condition is critical my friend.
“The Jews will still be around living as civilized human beings. All of your hatred cannot stop that. You are too small to stop it.“
They’ll be around where ? Let’s wait and see. Because America is getting bigger and free. No comment !!
ex-Democrat:
isslam is just another totalitarian ideology in the mold of communism, fascism, and nazism….isslam must be stopped.
Let’s roll.
Hurry up ! Stop it before it’s too late !! Join Sharon who is waiting for you to stop it !!! Wake up and get out of your small black box. Shame on dreamers.
Jan 27, 2009 - 8:58 pm 56. Oscar the Grump:Knight11
Good to hear from you again, I’ve really missed you.
Jews are very threatening people. That is why everyone wants to live in a Jewish neighborhood. Nothing is more threatening than to see a Jewish accountant walking down the street. It just makes me shudder.
I guess that’s just what Hamas wants to do, move into a Jewish neighborhood and those rockets they fired are just rental applications.
Jan 27, 2009 - 10:36 pm 57. TokyoTom:Abraham, this is simply a dishonest statement: “Even the International Red Cross, no friend of Israel, acknowledges that Israel’s use of white phosphorous in Gaza did not violate the rules of warfare.”
The Red Cross made no such acknowledgement, but simply noted that “legal” use was possible and that (it not being present in Gaza) it lacked evidence that the IDF was misuing it:
“Using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law,” it said, adding that there was no evidence that Israel was “using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or consciously putting civilians at risk.”
Isn’t saying “we don’t know” quite a bit different from “acknowledg[ing] that Israel’s use of white phosphorous in Gaza did not violate the rules of warfare”?
Jan 27, 2009 - 11:09 pm 58. BERLET98:I trust this won’t be seen as more propaganda. It may be old news to some but to many others it is news that will never go away:
WHY DID ISRAEL ATTACK THE USS LIBERTY?
(For background on this subject, please see my three previous articles, “The Shame of the USS Liberty,” http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=718, “The USS Liberty and Jewish Consternation,” http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=719, and “The USS Liberty: Information and Disinformation,” http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=720. Publication of the present article was delayed in deference to the celebration of the Jewish festival of Channukah and due to the recent war in Gaza.)
No other single issue about the attack of June 8, 1967 on the USS Liberty by Israeli air and naval forces provokes more interest, incites more controversy, and arouses more ire than the most fundamental question: Why did it happen?
Interrelated are many other questions–too many other questions. Those would include but are far from limited to these:
Why was the Congressional Medal of Honor, well earned by the courageous captain of the ship, William McGonagle, not bestowed on him by the President of the United States in the White House, as per long established tradition? (http://www.ussliberty.org/latimes.htm) Instead, it was awarded to this American hero in a Washington Navy Yard by the Secretary of the Navy.
Why did Dean Rusk, Richard Helms, Oliver Kirby, Clark Clifford, Adlai Stevenson, William Odom, and countless others disbelieve the Israelis and denounce the ensuing whitewash of the murder of 34 American seamen? http://www.ussliberty.org/index2.html.
The facts are incontrovertible: The attack occurred in broad daylight in international waters and without provocation, Israel ultimately admitted responsibility and paid reparations, and the assault left 34 dead and 174 injured and maimed Liberty crewmen and officers.
The mainstream media would prefer that the whole subject of the USS Liberty be buried along with the Liberty dead. I will leave the reasons for that to the reader’s determination. After all, this happened over forty one years ago so let’s just let it rest. Right? It’s ancient history, they say.
As per usual, that same liberal media has its own, unarticulated agenda and that agenda coincides with that of the Israeli Lobby in America, which is another term that stokes anger among certain elements in our society, chiefly among the Israeli Lobby in America.
They might as well say, Get over 9/11.
America could forget 9/11, to the detriment of both our souls and our national security. To the shame of the American people, many have already forgetten that day. Illustrative is this item about a University of Arizona Halloween party concerning students disgracefully scoffing at what happened on September 11th, 2001: http://maroonedinmarin.blogspot.com/2008/11/forgetting-911-disrespecting-victims.html.
If the 9/11 attacks could so soon become the source of humor, what should we expect for a expect of a forty-five year old tragedy?
Certain issues, especially when they involve deadly sneak attacks which effect massive damage and claim many innocent lives should never be ridiculed–or buried, dismissed, forgotten unless and until they are fully resolved, the responsible parties are found, prosecuted and convicted, and the survivors are at peace. Even then, to forget is to demean the victims.
So, too, with the USS Liberty “incident” which has never been resolved. The guilty have never served a day in prison and the survivors and their families will never be at rest until that resolution.
The only differences between September 11th, 2001 and June 8th, 1967 are differences of scale and consequences; the scale is obvious, the consequences less so. 9/11 was avenged, to a degree, the latter has not been.
Perhaps the worst insult of all to the memories of those who died and those who survived on the Liberty is that their country, our country, may never seek redress because of the influence of that same Israel Lobby.
As can be seen in my previous articles, there is a concerted and blatant effort in some quarters not only to inter the story of the USS Liberty but to ignore or change the factual evidence as to how and why the attack took place. The most common retort to raising the issue is a lame and misleading resort to inflammatory charges of anti-Semitism in lieu of any attempt at refutation.
Worse, that intrigue extends not only to individuals and groups which refuse to accept the truth, but also to our government officials who,…
(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)
Jan 27, 2009 - 11:17 pm 59. Oscar the Grump:Berlet97
What’s this got to do with this topic? Why are trying to press your agenda on this blog?
Nobody is going to refute this or argue against it. It happened so what?
Answer this: What was an American spy ship doing spying on Israel especially during a war. America didn’t support Israel at the time. Israel’s only ally was France. America didn’t like the fact that Israeli scientists were aiding France in making a nuclear bomb. There was no cushy relationship.
I seem to remember a similar incident happening off the coast of North Korea where they even captured our spy ship and held the crew prisoner. Should we attack North Korea?
What’s this smoke screen really about? What is your true motivation?
I know its not patriotism. Maybe it is anti-Semitism? You can cry that its not; but, it smacks of it.
Go write some more articles on the ghosts of the past.
Jan 28, 2009 - 8:44 am 60. Former Belgian:Queen (Fire? Drag? Pound-Cake?)
>>>This tells us exactly how uneducated and illiterate you are.
Why, you don’t like my transliteration of Arabic?
>>> You’ll die blind minded until your last breath I bet…
All I care about, when I shall die, as die we all must, is whether I will die a free man rather than having “lived” as a slave to I-SLAM.
Mongoose:
The “ha`avara” agreement did exist, but be aware that the site you linked as a source is a Holocaust denial site.
The Hebrew wikipedia page is pretty detailed, and you can run it through Google Translate:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhe.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25D7%2594%25D7%25A1%25D7%259B%25D7%259D_%25D7%2594%25D7%25A2%25D7%2591%25D7%25A8%25D7%2594&sl=iw&tl=en
Jan 28, 2009 - 11:53 am 61. Oscar the Grump:I’d like to get back to Berlet97, he raised some interesting questions. Even though I smell an anti-Semite, the questions have some merit and are worth addressing. Mind you, what I know is just from memory and I’m sure that Berlet has his own spin on it. (Anything to rub sh”t in our face.)
Naval history has to go back to the days of sailing ships. When pirates wanted to attack they didn’t just come out directly Hollywood style to do battle. Many times they disguised their ship to lure a victim in close before attacking. This is an old naval tactic. (see the film Master and Commander for an example)
Both in WWI and WWII, Germany employed armed merchant ships called raiders. (A book the Sea Wolves was written about them.) These ships would disguise their appearance and hide their armament. A very common practice was to change the name and flag of the ship. Even during the cold war Russia was ready to deploy a whole fleet of raiders in the event of a conflict.
The day of the attack on the Liberty, there was an Egyptian ship also spying on Israel and the Israelis were fully aware of it. Israel isn’t a big country and when two ships, which coincidently looked very similar, are in the same waters mistakes can be made. Israel wasn’t aware of any US ship in those waters. An order was made to attack the Egyptian ship and the aircraft were dispatched. What they came upon was a ship as it was described by intelegence flying an American flag. The order was given to attack it. Fifty to sixty miles away was the Egyptian ship they were really looking for.
It was an unfortunate mistake and Israel did pay reparations. Both countries wanted to bury the incident as it was embarrassing to both.
Berlet, exactly what revenge do you want to extract from Israel. So you want the US to attack Israel. Tell me that this doesn’t smack of anti-Semitism. I’m sorry that nobody writes anything on your blog and that you have to resort to something like this for attention.
The recount I have just given is from memory. Anyone interested in researching in should look in the archives of Life, Look, Times, or News Week magazines.
This was not the only case of the US spying on Israel. It was the US that disclosed to the world that Israel had a nuclear reactor in Dimona.
I can’t hold it against this country, it is something this country has to do. You can’t be blind in this world or 9-11s happen.
By the way Berlet, have a good life.
Jan 28, 2009 - 1:56 pm 62. mohammed:36. mohammed:
Israel is a murderous state founded on falsehood. Like the vampires they will always bay for more blood from time to time
Haha, the truth hurts I have noticed. It remains fact. Give a count of victims killed by Muslims in the name of Islam say in the last 20 years. If the numbers you come up with it is less than the 100,000 Bosnian Muslims killed just for being Muslims while the world looked on, then please apologize for slander and do not even attempt to bring this up. And compare that with say the Rwandan genocide where the Christian church participated, we know that because a few priests and nuns have been found guilty by the tribunal. Get your facts right.
Jan 28, 2009 - 2:41 pm 63. Marc Malone:It is not that the Jews are really trying to throw their brethren under the bus. It is simply that those who signed the letter, are overeducated. The Libs control the universities. They are propoganda machines. Whites have the same problem. They are more educated than others, and so, have been taught to be self-loathing.
Jan 28, 2009 - 2:58 pm 64. malka:syn,
Jan 28, 2009 - 3:47 pm 65. Knights13:We Jews have been around for 5,769 years. We survived the Babylonians, Philistines, ancient Egyptians, Assyrians, Romans, fanatical hordes of Muslims and Cossacks, Hitler, and now Hizbullah and Hamas. We will survive Obama just fine. Israel will choose a new Prime Minister in a few weeks – probably Netanyahu and he will not let Israel be pressured by Obama.
“Knight11
Good to hear from you again, I’ve really missed you.”
It’s Knights13. That’s strange because I haven’t missed you at all. The rest of your post is not adressing anything that I said above.
“Jews are very threatening people.”
Yes, I encoutered two today. What are you talking about bozo?
Jan 28, 2009 - 4:03 pm 66. Oscar the Grump:Knights
Jan 28, 2009 - 4:33 pm 67. Oscar the Grump:Good to hear from you again. Only you could be threatened by two accountants. What’s the matter, didn’t your facts add up?
Mohammed,
Hey Mo, you’re in great form. Vampires, that’s a new word, let me give you a star for that one.
Let me answer your question about a count. How about the black Moslems killed by their Arab “bothers” in Darfur? Close to a million some sources say like BBC. Oops that’s one of your favorite sources. Sorry!
Jan 28, 2009 - 4:40 pm 68. Knights13:“Only you could be threatened by two accountants. What’s the matter, didn’t your facts add up?”
Two accountants are really dangerous. I can purchase ammo with a lot less money than what two accountants can filter through devious activity.
Since I live where the accountants live and it’s all good for us then I should try to whipe out the ghetto by force? Is that what you are getting at?
Jan 28, 2009 - 6:55 pm 69. Oscar the Grump:Poor Knighty
Jan 28, 2009 - 7:50 pm 70. goy:Are you getting upset or something. You’re becoming totally irrational. Why you’re sounding and behaving like a Hamas terrorist. Poor man get yourself some help.
@Oscar – my experience with those few individuals remaining, who don’t believe that multiple investigations completely explained the events of June 8, 1967, is this: they are anti-Semites of convenience.
The people of Israel took a patch of desert in the Middle East and, through sheer will, turned it into a garden of productivity, democracy and individual liberty. This is something no arab sub-culture has been able to do throughout thousands of years – even with the world’s most sought-after commodity conveniently handed to them and literally laid at their feet by Allah. Even with billion$ in technology and infrastructure provided by the cultures of the West. Even with the fanatical, absolute devotion offered by the most strident wahabbists. This is also something no socialist State has achieved even through the total control of production and public information. Even through the murder of any who oppose its aims – totaling tens of millions. Islamism and socialism are anti-Semitism by definition. This is why Israel’s enemies are many.
Israel, for all its ostensibly collectivist proclivities (the mind ignorant of history fails to see these as grounded in tradition, faith and generations with the single-minded will to endure), is the last remaining shining city on a hill, at least in the purest sense Winthrop might have hoped to express it. Even while America seeks to abdicate that sacred goal, Israel abides, taunting the islamist and the socialist – and along with them the American apologist.
Lots of Americans are simply in denial regarding America’s love affair with apathy, entitlement and creeping socialism – given perhaps the most plentiful array of natural resources, we are slowly pissing it away out of willful ignorance. That denial demands alternative explanations for the decline in American academic, economic and scientific dominance. Through recorded history, the single enduring culture – the Jew – has been the scapegoat offered up to explain such things (Hitler built an empire on the strategy). So it is with the American apologist – the anti-Semite of convenience – who refuses to look within for America’s failures and, instead, accepts the perennial “explanation”: it must be the Jews’ doing.
That’s the sentiment at the heart of the USS Liberty paranoiacs’ charges. That is, America’s alliance with evil Israel – rightfully hated by so many – is our downfall. America’s vulnerability to the Jews’ machinations – embodied in the insidious Jewish Lobby – is the reason for our woes.
Jan 28, 2009 - 8:46 pm 71. Knights13:“Are you getting upset or something. You’re becoming totally irrational. Why you’re sounding and behaving like a Hamas terrorist. Poor man get yourself some help.”
Again, you have not made one rational statement. AND you talking about Hamas; It’s like listening to someone talking about the drug war that is getting defeated.
Jan 28, 2009 - 9:16 pm 72. Oscar the Grump:goy,
Jan 28, 2009 - 11:34 pm 73. Oscar the Grump:Thank you for your letter. My purpose in answering the man about the USS Liberty was not to address him. He knows the truth and chooses to ignore it. Instead, he wants to bend the story into a knife to stab Israel with. There are many people out there who don’t know what happened. If they are not told the truth they’ll believe the lie. They deserve the truth. God Bless you.
Knights,
Jan 28, 2009 - 11:41 pm 74. gungfusifu:Reading your garbage is beyond normal comprehension. You’re either delusional or about to bust a gasket. You brought up drugs, go take some Xanex. I don’t want you to hurt yourself or have a heart attack.
Maybe you need a vacation. Just think you can jump on your camel and ride.
some “rabbis” aren’t!!!!! they are just self hating deluded and foolish. liberalism is their god, torah is man made and a choice that you subscribe to, like a magazine. thats why reform and reconstruction judaism ( is it really jewish ) is fading fast, in 100 years there won’t be any left due to assimilation and intermarrage.
obama says that Israel’s security is important, and he also said that he’d never pass a bill that had earmarks in it….. like this 850 billion buck fiasco doesn’t have any earmarks in it. fachachta mashuginaa gefite fish!!!!
Jan 29, 2009 - 1:24 am 75. Knights13:“Reading your garbage is beyond normal comprehension.”
Of course it is garbage. The drug war was used as an analogy.
What you need to do is make a statement other than attacking the individual or your only solution being violence.
“liberalism is their god, torah is man made and a choice that you subscribe to, like a magazine.”
gungfusifu; I might not agree with many liberal views but all books are written by men.
Jan 29, 2009 - 3:52 pm 76. Knights13:ooops, and WOMEN of course. lol
Jan 29, 2009 - 3:54 pm 77. Oscar the Grump:Knights
Go ahead and hurt yourself. I decided that I really don’t care.
Torah may be man made; but, its volumes have accurately predicted the future. What do you go by?
Jan 29, 2009 - 5:01 pm 78. Marc Malone:Stop feeding the trolls. They’re dangerous if you let them get too close.
Jan 30, 2009 - 3:04 pm 79. Oscar the Grump:Oops, sorry!
Jan 30, 2009 - 9:43 pm 80. Knighst13:“Stop feeding the trolls. ”
He posts here the most which defeats the purpose of feeding the trolls. He is like a bot troll or something.
Jan 30, 2009 - 10:14 pm 81. Marcos:It is utterly amazing how so many non Jew are readily able to understand how voting for Obama was simply stepping up the pace to the destruction of the state of israel. Why can’t my own Jewish people understand this? My Jewish people are so preoccupied with voting for liberals here at home, all the while thinking that whoever is residing in the White House will protect and defend Israel at all costs. Traditionally that has been the case. However, an increasing number of self hating Jews in the US has made it easier for occupant of the Oval Office to sacrifice Israel in the hopes that a general peace will prevail in the Mid East. There is a part of me that thinks of my own people are not interested in protecting the one and only land that is representative of their own religion and culture, why should anyone else be interested in doing so. Or to put it another way, if it was not for the fact I am Jewish, I think I would be anti semitic myself.
Jan 31, 2009 - 9:53 pm 82. Victoria:But there is something curious about people who have nothing good to say about their history, their ancestors, their nations, their heritage.
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How are Jews who dissent from US-Israeli policies on the Middle East saying “nothing good” about their history, etc? No matter what they see with their eyes and understand with their intelligence, they are to keep their mouths shut? Would you give this kind of advice to those blacks, who tell the truth about certain negative aspects of “African-American” life? In your eyes, are they “anti-black” for criticizing negative behaviors? Is that what you call “self-hatred?”
Jan 31, 2009 - 10:35 pm 83. Oscar the Grump:Victoria,
In the concentration camps of Europe, the Nazis used Jewish thugs to control the Jews. They were called Kappos. They were ruthless in doing their Nazi’s bidding. I suppose it was a form of dissent after all their point of view was so opposite to what the rest of the Jews were feeling.
All I see are a bunch of intellectual Kappos, bowing to their “Nazi” left gods, trying to march their brethren to new gas chambers.
Another point is that these Jews are secularized and have rejected the Jewish tradition. They are the Helenistic Jews of this century. The Helenists are gone and now we have the liberal left. They too will be gone and the Jews who survive will be those who retain their tradition.
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