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		<title>By: gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama with 4 yrs ahead.  It isn&#039;t going to be pretty folks.  
I think this is his way of destroying America.   He is not an American citizen and was never made to prove his citizenship.  We will be nuked before this is all over and Obama will be scrathing his head saying &quot;but I tried to get them to like us&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama with 4 yrs ahead.  It isn&#8217;t going to be pretty folks.<br />
I think this is his way of destroying America.   He is not an American citizen and was never made to prove his citizenship.  We will be nuked before this is all over and Obama will be scrathing his head saying &#8220;but I tried to get them to like us&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: KBB</title>
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		<dc:creator>KBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quickest way to stop the destruction of America is to kick Obama out of office - not impeach him, because he&#039;s never held the office legally - but arrest him for treason.  And the quickest way to do that is to press him (and the courts) on the eligibility (birth certificate) issue.  It wouldn&#039;t even go to court - it would all be over in the discovery stage.  Instead of wringing hands, whining about what he&#039;s doing, let&#039;s cut to the chase and put our efforts into the birth certificate issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quickest way to stop the destruction of America is to kick Obama out of office &#8211; not impeach him, because he&#8217;s never held the office legally &#8211; but arrest him for treason.  And the quickest way to do that is to press him (and the courts) on the eligibility (birth certificate) issue.  It wouldn&#8217;t even go to court &#8211; it would all be over in the discovery stage.  Instead of wringing hands, whining about what he&#8217;s doing, let&#8217;s cut to the chase and put our efforts into the birth certificate issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 23:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is not good for children and other living things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is not good for children and other living things.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Blumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Blumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 15:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#75, Pat J:

&lt;i&gt;Obama lied and jobs died? My a**!&lt;/i&gt;

What about the Obama&#039;s &quot;will not disrupt lives&quot; lie, followed by plant closings that left tens of thousands without jobs, don&#039;t you understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#75, Pat J:</p>
<p><i>Obama lied and jobs died? My a**!</i></p>
<p>What about the Obama&#8217;s &#8220;will not disrupt lives&#8221; lie, followed by plant closings that left tens of thousands without jobs, don&#8217;t you understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 01:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this.  Folks are talking about exact estimates on Iraqi civilian and military deaths after we invaded Iraq.  Does any of this really matter?  What does matter is millions of lives destroyed and otherwise disrupted by a war based on a pack of lies.  

There is no justification for this war.  Iraq was never a threat.  There was no link between Iraq and Al Qaida.  There were no weapons of mass destuction.  There was no yellowcake from Niger.  

Obama lied and jobs died?  My a**!  Bush wrecked the economy, led us into an unholy war, and is responsible for helping recruit a new generation of people that will grow up to hate us.  If McCain/Palin had been elected, we&#039;d probably be at war with Iran right now and in the midst of a a global depression.  Wake up people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this.  Folks are talking about exact estimates on Iraqi civilian and military deaths after we invaded Iraq.  Does any of this really matter?  What does matter is millions of lives destroyed and otherwise disrupted by a war based on a pack of lies.  </p>
<p>There is no justification for this war.  Iraq was never a threat.  There was no link between Iraq and Al Qaida.  There were no weapons of mass destuction.  There was no yellowcake from Niger.  </p>
<p>Obama lied and jobs died?  My a**!  Bush wrecked the economy, led us into an unholy war, and is responsible for helping recruit a new generation of people that will grow up to hate us.  If McCain/Palin had been elected, we&#8217;d probably be at war with Iran right now and in the midst of a a global depression.  Wake up people.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Blumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Blumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 10:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#72 BC - As already  stated, Lancet&#039;s work doesn’t even pass the stench test, let alone the smell test.

So says the Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119984087808076475.html

&lt;i&gt;.... the Lancet study could hardly be more unreliable. Yet it was trumpeted by the political left because it fit a narrative that they wanted to believe. And it wasn&#039;t challenged by much of the press because it told them what they wanted to hear. The truth was irrelevant.&lt;/i&gt;

So says IBDeditorials.com:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=284342732115035

&lt;i&gt;A 2006 study claiming that more than 600,000 Iraqis had been killed in the war was eagerly embraced by the press. Yet again, journalists&#039; hatred for President Bush allowed them to be taken in by a fraud.&lt;/i&gt;

And then there&#039;s this from NPR, of all places:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17993630

&lt;i&gt;A recent national household survey conducted by The World Health Organization suggests that the number of Iraqi civilians and soldier deaths reached 151,000 between 2003 and 2006. The figure is about one-fourth of the number of deaths estimated in an earlier controversial study.&lt;/i&gt;

But keep on embarrassing yourself if you insist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#72 BC &#8211; As already  stated, Lancet&#8217;s work doesn’t even pass the stench test, let alone the smell test.</p>
<p>So says the Wall Street Journal:<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119984087808076475.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119984087808076475.html</a></p>
<p><i>&#8230;. the Lancet study could hardly be more unreliable. Yet it was trumpeted by the political left because it fit a narrative that they wanted to believe. And it wasn&#8217;t challenged by much of the press because it told them what they wanted to hear. The truth was irrelevant.</i></p>
<p>So says IBDeditorials.com:<br />
<a href="http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=284342732115035" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=284342732115035</a></p>
<p><i>A 2006 study claiming that more than 600,000 Iraqis had been killed in the war was eagerly embraced by the press. Yet again, journalists&#8217; hatred for President Bush allowed them to be taken in by a fraud.</i></p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s this from NPR, of all places:<br />
<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17993630" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17993630</a></p>
<p><i>A recent national household survey conducted by The World Health Organization suggests that the number of Iraqi civilians and soldier deaths reached 151,000 between 2003 and 2006. The figure is about one-fourth of the number of deaths estimated in an earlier controversial study.</i></p>
<p>But keep on embarrassing yourself if you insist.</p>
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		<title>By: Berlet98</title>
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		<dc:creator>Berlet98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 04:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our “Values” President?

Specifically, what “values” our president holds near and dear to his heart are difficult to define or divine.

Are they the “values” of what he called, “sharing the wealth” and redistributing America’s wealth with those who have done jacksquat to earn it while stripping hard-working Americans of the fruits of their many labors? 

Are they the “values” of aborting as many pre-born babies as he can get away with while professing an oh-so-sincere desire to make aborting the innocent a “rarity?”

Are they the “values” of subverting America’s military–and our schools–with homosexuals, undermining our economy with debt that our grandkids will be paying off until they are grandparents, and instituting “green” policies that are as functional as teats on a bull?

Nah, they are the values of his concept of “national security.” 

In Obama’s commencement address to the graduates of the Naval Academy at Annapolis, young men and women who couldn’t walk out or extend a middle finger if they wanted a career in our Navy, our president said, “When America strays from our values, it not only undermines the rule of law, it alienates us from our allies, it energizes our adversaries and it endangers our national security and the lives of our troops:” http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.bd0713f4765981d1edbe5b522ce08354.3e1&amp;show_article=1.

That pronouncement was as true as rain and as misleading as only this president can mislead. 

Message to Obama:  You have demonstrated repeatedly that you have no clue as to America’s true values.  You have demonstrated with your silvery tongue that you are adept at talking the talk but when it comes to walking the walk you talked you are inept but supremely confident that your mainstream media lackeys will never expose either your ineptitude nor your true, malevolent purposes.  

Our supposed allies are committed to their own survival and prosperity, not ours, except as it serves their purposes.  Our known adversaries don’t need to be energized with you in office since you seem to have far more empathy for them than for America.  As for our national security I do have to wonder which nation’s values and security you have in mind since they are obviously not ours.

With every day and with every utterance of this president it becomes clearer that 53% of voters made a serious mistake on November 4th, 2008.  Whether our nation will ever recover from that error is very questionable.  

(http://genelalor.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our “Values” President?</p>
<p>Specifically, what “values” our president holds near and dear to his heart are difficult to define or divine.</p>
<p>Are they the “values” of what he called, “sharing the wealth” and redistributing America’s wealth with those who have done jacksquat to earn it while stripping hard-working Americans of the fruits of their many labors? </p>
<p>Are they the “values” of aborting as many pre-born babies as he can get away with while professing an oh-so-sincere desire to make aborting the innocent a “rarity?”</p>
<p>Are they the “values” of subverting America’s military–and our schools–with homosexuals, undermining our economy with debt that our grandkids will be paying off until they are grandparents, and instituting “green” policies that are as functional as teats on a bull?</p>
<p>Nah, they are the values of his concept of “national security.” </p>
<p>In Obama’s commencement address to the graduates of the Naval Academy at Annapolis, young men and women who couldn’t walk out or extend a middle finger if they wanted a career in our Navy, our president said, “When America strays from our values, it not only undermines the rule of law, it alienates us from our allies, it energizes our adversaries and it endangers our national security and the lives of our troops:” <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.bd0713f4765981d1edbe5b522ce08354.3e1&amp;show_article=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.bd0713f4765981d1edbe5b522ce08354.3e1&amp;show_article=1</a>.</p>
<p>That pronouncement was as true as rain and as misleading as only this president can mislead. </p>
<p>Message to Obama:  You have demonstrated repeatedly that you have no clue as to America’s true values.  You have demonstrated with your silvery tongue that you are adept at talking the talk but when it comes to walking the walk you talked you are inept but supremely confident that your mainstream media lackeys will never expose either your ineptitude nor your true, malevolent purposes.  </p>
<p>Our supposed allies are committed to their own survival and prosperity, not ours, except as it serves their purposes.  Our known adversaries don’t need to be energized with you in office since you seem to have far more empathy for them than for America.  As for our national security I do have to wonder which nation’s values and security you have in mind since they are obviously not ours.</p>
<p>With every day and with every utterance of this president it becomes clearer that 53% of voters made a serious mistake on November 4th, 2008.  Whether our nation will ever recover from that error is very questionable.  </p>
<p>(<a href="http://genelalor.com)" rel="nofollow">http://genelalor.com)</a></p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 15:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Tom Blumer: that&#039;s the problem with you anti-science, anti-research types -- you can&#039;t recognize the difference between stuff that came from serious research and stuff that came from someone&#039;s butt, and that National Journal piece is crap on a stick. The fact is that you&#039;re comparing the results of a long, careful John Hopkins investigation from just this past February to a an article appearing in a second rate conservative magazine (its nonpartisan claim is BS) not exactly known to break stories. 

A key admission in that National Journal piece goes: &quot;With Iraq&#039;s central government barely functioning, health services overwhelmed, and political agendas coloring all agencies, no reliable statistics exist so far.

&quot;The Lancet study was based on techniques developed by public health experts to determine rates of illness and death from epidemics and famines in large populations. This &#039;cluster&#039; sampling is a relatively new methodology that attempts to replicate the logic of public opinion polling in Third World locales that lack a telecommunications infrastructure.&quot;

If you think this through, then you should realize that this is essentially saying that the methodology used by Iraq Body Count -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iraqbodycount.org/about/methods/2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;primarily news sources&lt;/a&gt; -- and which Bush had quietly used, would produce the most severe undercount because few reporters are going to venture into the really bad areas of a war zone just to count bodies. But that&#039;s where most of the deaths are going to be, so.... That National Journal piece, however, blithely ignores this in favor of plunging ahead with a lot of dopey reasoning not based on anything other than ignorance of how those types of surveys are conducted in places like Iraq, and how the data collected is processed to account for all possible major variables.   

A second survey by a UK polling firm called ORB from January of last year raised the civilian casualties even further to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=88&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;about a million&lt;/a&gt;, which is about what you would expect if you extrapolate from the 2006 Lancet results and my follow-up statistical analysis. 

If you have any friends with math skills, you can have them dupe my statistical results easily enough (my first was done during a Usenet argument): Take the population of Iraq, stick in any murder rate you want from something really low like 1/100,000 (Saudi Arabia, Oman) to a high of say 70/100,000 (Columbia) as an estimate for the prewar violent death rate in Iraq as the baseline. Then from March 20, 2003 to now, try factoring in one of the lower death tallies, like the IBC one, and see how much that raised the average violent death rate since the invasion and compare that with crime statistics of any American city over the past couple of decades and see if the numbers make any sense at all. After doing that, try plugging in a count of 1,000,000 casualties and see if the results then make a little bit more sense for a country at war and not just a place where you just need to be little bit cautious when walking alone at night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Tom Blumer: that&#8217;s the problem with you anti-science, anti-research types &#8212; you can&#8217;t recognize the difference between stuff that came from serious research and stuff that came from someone&#8217;s butt, and that National Journal piece is crap on a stick. The fact is that you&#8217;re comparing the results of a long, careful John Hopkins investigation from just this past February to a an article appearing in a second rate conservative magazine (its nonpartisan claim is BS) not exactly known to break stories. </p>
<p>A key admission in that National Journal piece goes: &#8220;With Iraq&#8217;s central government barely functioning, health services overwhelmed, and political agendas coloring all agencies, no reliable statistics exist so far.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Lancet study was based on techniques developed by public health experts to determine rates of illness and death from epidemics and famines in large populations. This &#8216;cluster&#8217; sampling is a relatively new methodology that attempts to replicate the logic of public opinion polling in Third World locales that lack a telecommunications infrastructure.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you think this through, then you should realize that this is essentially saying that the methodology used by Iraq Body Count &#8212; <a href="http://www.iraqbodycount.org/about/methods/2" rel="nofollow">primarily news sources</a> &#8212; and which Bush had quietly used, would produce the most severe undercount because few reporters are going to venture into the really bad areas of a war zone just to count bodies. But that&#8217;s where most of the deaths are going to be, so&#8230;. That National Journal piece, however, blithely ignores this in favor of plunging ahead with a lot of dopey reasoning not based on anything other than ignorance of how those types of surveys are conducted in places like Iraq, and how the data collected is processed to account for all possible major variables.   </p>
<p>A second survey by a UK polling firm called ORB from January of last year raised the civilian casualties even further to <a href="http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=88" rel="nofollow">about a million</a>, which is about what you would expect if you extrapolate from the 2006 Lancet results and my follow-up statistical analysis. </p>
<p>If you have any friends with math skills, you can have them dupe my statistical results easily enough (my first was done during a Usenet argument): Take the population of Iraq, stick in any murder rate you want from something really low like 1/100,000 (Saudi Arabia, Oman) to a high of say 70/100,000 (Columbia) as an estimate for the prewar violent death rate in Iraq as the baseline. Then from March 20, 2003 to now, try factoring in one of the lower death tallies, like the IBC one, and see how much that raised the average violent death rate since the invasion and compare that with crime statistics of any American city over the past couple of decades and see if the numbers make any sense at all. After doing that, try plugging in a count of 1,000,000 casualties and see if the results then make a little bit more sense for a country at war and not just a place where you just need to be little bit cautious when walking alone at night.</p>
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		<title>By: stuggo</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 06:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are beginning to realize this is a faux economy that is being propped up by the Fed, and only resulting in a temporary gain.  

   Everything the Obama team has on the drawing board for a green economy has already been implemented, and failed in many european nations.   Obama likes to use Socialist Spain as an example for a green economy.  He fails to mention that Spain&#039;s unemployment rate is 17.2% after several years of green initiatives, and most green jobs having proven to be temporary with minimal help to the overall economy.

Hopefully, the progressive movement in America will be damaged beyond repair after energy costs climb dramatically, and health care treatment becomes an ordeal for many Americans.  With one party rule, (totalitarian govt.) it will be impossible to put the blame on anyone, but liberal Democrats.

  I certainly do not want this to happen because it will damage America, but this is clearly the direction that we are headed.

Democrats always overreach.  Count on it. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are beginning to realize this is a faux economy that is being propped up by the Fed, and only resulting in a temporary gain.  </p>
<p>   Everything the Obama team has on the drawing board for a green economy has already been implemented, and failed in many european nations.   Obama likes to use Socialist Spain as an example for a green economy.  He fails to mention that Spain&#8217;s unemployment rate is 17.2% after several years of green initiatives, and most green jobs having proven to be temporary with minimal help to the overall economy.</p>
<p>Hopefully, the progressive movement in America will be damaged beyond repair after energy costs climb dramatically, and health care treatment becomes an ordeal for many Americans.  With one party rule, (totalitarian govt.) it will be impossible to put the blame on anyone, but liberal Democrats.</p>
<p>  I certainly do not want this to happen because it will damage America, but this is clearly the direction that we are headed.</p>
<p>Democrats always overreach.  Count on it. </p>
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		<title>By: Tom Blumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Blumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 04:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#68, you&#039;re the second commenter who has said that about Fiat-Chrysler tonight (the other was at another blog).

What&#039;s the source? The other commenter claimed it was Cavuto on Fox but I&#039;m not finding it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#68, you&#8217;re the second commenter who has said that about Fiat-Chrysler tonight (the other was at another blog).</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the source? The other commenter claimed it was Cavuto on Fox but I&#8217;m not finding it.</p>
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