Comments on: Wherefore Art Thou, Guantanamo? http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wherefore-art-thou-guantanamo/ Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:15:53 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Rafael del Barco Carreras http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wherefore-art-thou-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-246820 Rafael del Barco Carreras Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:44:14 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=51427#comment-246820 EL JUEZ GARZÓN Y GUANTÁNAMO. Rafael del Barco Carreras Abril 2009. Para quien ha pasado TRES AÑOS en La Modelo de Barcelona, 1980-3, que un juez español investigue GUANTÁNAMO, ya no es que sea una ininteligible falacia, que merece profundos estudios psiquiátricos o sicológicos, a la par que sociales e históricos… por el olvido colectivo de una perversión propia de las peores cárceles del TERCER o ningún Mundo. Garzón podría citar a todos los vecinos de unos 50 años de edad de alrededor del tétrico edificio que muchas noches, en masa, salieron al balcón gritando “asesinos, asesinos…” por los alaridos de los encadenados en LOS SÓTANOS DE LA QUINTA GALERÍA, perfectamente audibles. O consultar varios sumarios con “muertos”, verdaderos “asesinatos”, y como aun vivirán familiares y denunciantes… interrogar. !Qué ni han prescrito y sin alcanzarles la injusta Ley de "borrón y cuenta nueva"! Él disfrutaría, porque en este sumario, no debería dictar un auto pidiendo la partida de defunción de FRANCO (habían pasado cinco años de su muerte), y aunque hayan muerto varios, el director CAMACHO (una verdadera bestia), viven de los que borrachos en sus guardias nocturnas se divertían torturando. Inmensas palizas…con muertos. En Barcelona eso lo saben todos los JUECES Y FISCALES de entonces, pero no buscan Guantánamos para montar numeritos… con olvidarse de lo sobreseído y archivado, basta. Preguntar al Presidente actual de la Audiencia, José Luis Barrera Cogollos, digno sucesor del de entonces Alfonso Hernández Pardo, con quien compartió Tribunal ESPECIAL (montado solo para ese caso "jueces contaminados") en el Juicio por el Consorcio de la Zona Franca, donde se me condeno a esos tres años pasados en prisión. Las imágenes que tanto se han difundido de las especiales prisiones americanas son “infantiles” comparadas con lo que he vivido y visto… en una prisión rodeada de una CIUDAD que ya había votado PROGRESISMO SOCIALISTA, y que poco le importaba si allí había inocentes (que por las habituales torturas y sistema judicial los había muchos) o terroristas con decenas de muertos. 2.600 hacinados, y ríanse del “Expreso del medianoche”. En www.lagrancorrupcion.blogspot.com reproduzco las páginas de “Barcelona, 30 años de corrupción” para refrescar la memoria con el propio relato del primer juez de Vigilancia Penitenciaria en Barcelona, el otrora gran amigo de Garzón, Gómez de Liaño, preguntándose que fue de aquellas denuncias. Podríamos también preguntarle por los restos de LASA Y ZABALA que sacó del armario cuando le convino para sus elucubraciones y ambiciones políticas. EL JUEZ GARZÓN Y GUANTÁNAMO.

Rafael del Barco Carreras

Abril 2009. Para quien ha pasado TRES AÑOS en La Modelo de Barcelona, 1980-3, que un juez español investigue GUANTÁNAMO, ya no es que sea una ininteligible falacia, que merece profundos estudios psiquiátricos o sicológicos, a la par que sociales e históricos… por el olvido colectivo de una perversión propia de las peores cárceles del TERCER o ningún Mundo.

Garzón podría citar a todos los vecinos de unos 50 años de edad de alrededor del tétrico edificio que muchas noches, en masa, salieron al balcón gritando “asesinos, asesinos…” por los alaridos de los encadenados en LOS SÓTANOS DE LA QUINTA GALERÍA, perfectamente audibles. O consultar varios sumarios con “muertos”, verdaderos “asesinatos”, y como aun vivirán familiares y denunciantes… interrogar. !Qué ni han prescrito y sin alcanzarles la injusta Ley de “borrón y cuenta nueva”!

Él disfrutaría, porque en este sumario, no debería dictar un auto pidiendo la partida de defunción de FRANCO (habían pasado cinco años de su muerte), y aunque hayan muerto varios, el director CAMACHO (una verdadera bestia), viven de los que borrachos en sus guardias nocturnas se divertían torturando. Inmensas palizas…con muertos. En Barcelona eso lo saben todos los JUECES Y FISCALES de entonces, pero no buscan Guantánamos para montar numeritos… con olvidarse de lo sobreseído y archivado, basta. Preguntar al Presidente actual de la Audiencia, José Luis Barrera Cogollos, digno sucesor del de entonces Alfonso Hernández Pardo, con quien compartió Tribunal ESPECIAL (montado solo para ese caso “jueces contaminados”) en el Juicio por el Consorcio de la Zona Franca, donde se me condeno a esos tres años pasados en prisión.

Las imágenes que tanto se han difundido de las especiales prisiones americanas son “infantiles” comparadas con lo que he vivido y visto… en una prisión rodeada de una CIUDAD que ya había votado PROGRESISMO SOCIALISTA, y que poco le importaba si allí había inocentes (que por las habituales torturas y sistema judicial los había muchos) o terroristas con decenas de muertos. 2.600 hacinados, y ríanse del “Expreso del medianoche”.

En http://www.lagrancorrupcion.blogspot.com reproduzco las páginas de “Barcelona, 30 años de corrupción” para refrescar la memoria con el propio relato del primer juez de Vigilancia Penitenciaria en Barcelona, el otrora gran amigo de Garzón, Gómez de Liaño, preguntándose que fue de aquellas denuncias.

Podríamos también preguntarle por los restos de LASA Y ZABALA que sacó del armario cuando le convino para sus elucubraciones y ambiciones políticas.

]]> By: HonestJon http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wherefore-art-thou-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-232854 HonestJon Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:45:04 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=51427#comment-232854 14. Jailguard: "Many convicts have a deep hatred towards America and would treat these terrorist as heroes." True to a certain degree. Many inmates (many, many) would be actively hostile to terrorists in their midst-think grandma rapers in general pop. There is an inmate code that works in prison. I've been there and seen it for myself. Your experience may differ from mine-here in Kentucky, the code is well-established and adhered to. Sure they rat on each other. You would too if you were in that situation. Because you get benefits from being a rat. I've seen it in action. The ratters get better protection from the CO's. Write-ups get thrown out in court call, etc. I've seen very few Muslims in prison here-just a couple that I can remember. Those inmates kept very much to themselves. I believe that they were afraid of being found out as Muslims. There is a stigma attached to it much as there is to being gay. Again, your mileage may vary according to your location, but here there is no problem with radical Islam. I really don't see the Islamists converting many or even any convicts to Islam. Most of the inmates that I've been exposed to were either Baptist or not religious at all. Sure, some "found God" in the hoosegow, but most never gave it a second thought. And besides that, a lot of the inmates I knew were criminals who couldn't get much worse than they already were. Most just made a few mistakes, but the lifers and those with three strikes, etc were just criminals, plain and simple. Criminals in...criminals out. I sort of question your claim to be an officer. Meaning no disrespect, of course. While I was a CO, we deeply frowned on being called a guard. We were officers! NOT GUARDS... regards 14. Jailguard: “Many convicts have a deep hatred towards America and would treat these terrorist as heroes.”

True to a certain degree. Many inmates (many, many) would be actively hostile to terrorists in their midst-think grandma rapers in general pop. There is an inmate code that works in prison. I’ve been there and seen it for myself. Your experience may differ from mine-here in Kentucky, the code is well-established and adhered to.

Sure they rat on each other. You would too if you were in that situation. Because you get benefits from being a rat. I’ve seen it in action. The ratters get better protection from the CO’s. Write-ups get thrown out in court call, etc.

I’ve seen very few Muslims in prison here-just a couple that I can remember. Those inmates kept very much to themselves. I believe that they were afraid of being found out as Muslims. There is a stigma attached to it much as there is to being gay. Again, your mileage may vary according to your location, but here there is no problem with radical Islam.

I really don’t see the Islamists converting many or even any convicts to Islam. Most of the inmates that I’ve been exposed to were either Baptist or not religious at all. Sure, some “found God” in the hoosegow, but most never gave it a second thought.

And besides that, a lot of the inmates I knew were criminals who couldn’t get much worse than they already were. Most just made a few mistakes, but the lifers and those with three strikes, etc were just criminals, plain and simple. Criminals in…criminals out.

I sort of question your claim to be an officer. Meaning no disrespect, of course. While I was a CO, we deeply frowned on being called a guard. We were officers! NOT GUARDS…

regards

]]> By: Jailguard http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wherefore-art-thou-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-232763 Jailguard Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:28:27 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=51427#comment-232763 Honestjon: As someone who has worked in the American correctional system for most of his adult life I can tell you that your perspective on this is totally misguided. First off is convicts have no "honor system". What you see on TV and the movies is fantasy. They will rat out each other and use whatever situation presented for their benefit whether it violates the "inmate code" or not. Many convicts have a deep hatred towards America and would treat these terrorist as heroes. There is already a serious problem with radical islam being spread in this countries prison population. Placing these terrorist among general population would only make things worse. Honestjon:
As someone who has worked in the American correctional system for most of his adult life I can tell you that your perspective on this is totally misguided.
First off is convicts have no “honor system”. What you see on TV and the movies is fantasy. They will rat out each other and use whatever situation presented for their benefit whether it violates the “inmate code” or not. Many convicts have a deep hatred towards America and would treat these terrorist as heroes. There is already a serious problem with radical islam being spread in this countries prison population. Placing these terrorist among general population would only make things worse.

]]> By: deguello http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wherefore-art-thou-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-232000 deguello Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:55:10 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=51427#comment-232000 Send all of the poor,tortured,unfortunate victims of US Imperialism to live in half way houses,located in New York City's Upper West side, Marin County California,and Cambridge Mass. I'm sure the liberal,famously tolerant,gentry there would help rehabilitate these victims of Bush's terror. Send all of the poor,tortured,unfortunate victims of US Imperialism to live in half way houses,located in New York City’s Upper West side, Marin County California,and Cambridge Mass. I’m sure the liberal,famously tolerant,gentry there would help rehabilitate these victims of Bush’s terror.

]]> By: AThinkingPerson http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wherefore-art-thou-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-231282 AThinkingPerson Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:09:26 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=51427#comment-231282 I could not make this up if I tried... Here's Miss Universe telling an interviewer about her "relaxing" trip to GitMo... http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/miss-universe-visits-guantanamo/ I could not make this up if I tried…

Here’s Miss Universe telling an interviewer about her “relaxing” trip to GitMo…

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/miss-universe-visits-guantanamo/

]]> By: Bobby (Raleigh, NC) http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wherefore-art-thou-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-231269 Bobby (Raleigh, NC) Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:55:11 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=51427#comment-231269 While releasing the Gitmo detainees inside the mainland USA seems of great concern to the general public, it's clear that the White House doesn't share those concerns. Based on that position, I would suggest they be permanently assigned to serve on the White House staff. Not only would they be in a "welcoming" environment there, but they would also be kept under the close eye of the Secret Service, which could prevent them from endangering the general public. Everyone would be happy! While releasing the Gitmo detainees inside the mainland USA seems of great concern to the general public, it’s clear that the White House doesn’t share those concerns. Based on that position, I would suggest they be permanently assigned to serve on the White House staff. Not only would they be in a “welcoming” environment there, but they would also be kept under the close eye of the Secret Service, which could prevent them from endangering the general public. Everyone would be happy!

]]> By: djh5234 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wherefore-art-thou-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-231265 djh5234 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:47:36 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=51427#comment-231265 Gitmo is a prison full of failed terrorist (successful terrorist usually die when the commit their crime) where as American prisons are full of successful criminals, murderers, pedophiles, rapists, gang members, and serial killers. Which are more dangerous? Hmmm? We need to start thinking beyond politics! Gitmo is a prison full of failed terrorist (successful terrorist usually die when the commit their crime) where as American prisons are full of successful criminals, murderers, pedophiles, rapists, gang members, and serial killers. Which are more dangerous? Hmmm? We need to start thinking beyond politics!

]]> By: Sarah http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wherefore-art-thou-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-231251 Sarah Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:36:02 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=51427#comment-231251 RE: donttreadonme, I see a YOUTUBE viral video in your future with the contents of your above post - pretty funny! :-) RE: donttreadonme,
I see a YOUTUBE viral video in your future with the contents of your above post – pretty funny! :-)

]]> By: Sarah http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wherefore-art-thou-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-231248 Sarah Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:33:45 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=51427#comment-231248 DUH! These people are NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!! Therefore, they HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER US LAW AND SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN ANY!!!!! They already have their own specific designation and that is "UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT." According to US and International law we can hold them until the duration of the armed conflict. Just face the facts here, Obama promised more than he could deliver because he had NO CLUE what he was getting into with these guys - it's pretty easy to promise the world on the campaign trail, that is of course until he was b*tch slapped with reality. He'll still be giving vague answers and stall tactics for the rest of his "rule." DUH! These people are NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!! Therefore, they HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER US LAW AND SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN ANY!!!!!
They already have their own specific designation and that is “UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT.” According to US and International law we can hold them until the duration of the armed conflict.
Just face the facts here, Obama promised more than he could deliver because he had NO CLUE what he was getting into with these guys – it’s pretty easy to promise the world on the campaign trail, that is of course until he was b*tch slapped with reality. He’ll still be giving vague answers and stall tactics for the rest of his “rule.”

]]> By: donttreadonme http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wherefore-art-thou-guantanamo/comment-page-1/#comment-231241 donttreadonme Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:24:51 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=51427#comment-231241 Adopt-a-Jihadi : Yes, for a limited time only, you too can take a trip back to the seventh century! Our economy is headed there, so why not make it a cultural double! For only 29.95 a month, you can help a homeless Gitmo Jihadi: Your 29.95 pays for ALL of the following: A nice 5 by 7 foot cave carefully excavated in one of the following multi-cultural locales: Chicagoland, San Francisco, Queens, or Lower Michigan. Three meals a day of rice pilaf. A small herd of mountain goats and enough feed to sustain them. A Koran. A prayer mat. A Fun-With-Chemistry Explorer kit. A machete blade with a sharpening stone. Please, won't you call today. Soon, dozens upon dozens of Jihadis will no longer have a home. For just one dollar a day, you can get a Jihadi off the streets and into a nice cave. Please, please call today 1-800-911DENIAL; that's 1-800-911DENIAL.. Thank you. Adopt-a-Jihadi :
Yes, for a limited time only, you too can take a trip back to the seventh century! Our economy is headed there, so why not make it a cultural double!
For only 29.95 a month, you can help a homeless Gitmo Jihadi:
Your 29.95 pays for ALL of the following:
A nice 5 by 7 foot cave carefully excavated in one of the following multi-cultural locales: Chicagoland, San Francisco, Queens, or Lower Michigan.
Three meals a day of rice pilaf.
A small herd of mountain goats and enough feed to sustain them.
A Koran.
A prayer mat.
A Fun-With-Chemistry Explorer kit.
A machete blade with a sharpening stone.
Please, won’t you call today. Soon, dozens upon dozens of Jihadis will no longer have a home. For just one dollar a day, you can get a Jihadi off the streets and into a nice cave. Please, please call today 1-800-911DENIAL; that’s 1-800-911DENIAL.. Thank you.

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