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1. Matthew:

*shakes head in disbelief*

Israel is unfairly maligned, absolutely. But the way israel has managed its occupied territories is one area where it attracts justified criticism. Settlements are constantly being built on land that was taken by force, or even known to be still legally owned by palestinians. The takeovers aren’t compensated. The idea that this is ok simply because the previous owners are arabs is blatantly racist – and undermines israel’s claims to be a democratic state that respects the rule of law. I know this is bound to attract a stream of highly original straw man arguments and diversions about comparable cases in the past and elsewhere, but none of that changes the fact that most of the world sees israel’s policy (in law or in fact) is one of progressive land grabbing (whether or not we happen to agree with it) and it’s embarrassing to have to constantly side with an ally which is blatantly doing the wrong thing. Other democracies don’t do that sort of rubbish.

Israel has gradually been extending its borders at the expense of the other group that was recognized in the UN partition plan. In the meantime, those people get marginalized and pushed into camps and ghettos to live under a vague legal regime that leaves israel free to do whatever it wants, and free NOT to do what it doesn’t want. One popular response is that those people are really jordanians or egyptians, so why don’t they leave – and if THAT isn’t support for ethnic cleansing, I’m not sure what is.

I can understand any president’s frustration in knowing that israel will ignore common sense appeals to change its ways, secure in the knowledge that the west will always back it up if the other side retaliates. Israel doesn’t listen to argument, reason, cajoling, threats or boycotts – it wants that land, and by gum it’s going to have it. I admire obama’s idealistic determination in actually attempting to draw a line in the sand – but as he’s discovered (as they all do), israel understands the rules of the game, and it plays the game well. Eventually, I suspect it’s going to have to cost israel something before it starts behaving like a decent global citizen.

I completely support israel and its difficulty with problems that aren’t its fault. Unfortunately, israel seems just as committed to creating problems that ARE its fault while using the existing ones as political cover. It’ll get away with it, too.

Sep 26, 2009 - 2:49 am 2. progressoverpeace:

Liberal American Jews look at Israel as an anchor around their necks. They are very happy to see it disappear, so that they don’t have to keep apologizing for it to their leftist friends. And the leftist Jews even look forward to being able to cry crocodile tears over the millions of Jews who would die, acting as if they care for “humanity”. What they don’t realize is that, as soon as Israel is gone, Jews the world over are more vulnerable than we have been in centuries, and will be the target of hate the likes of which haven’t been seen since the Holocaust. The world reaction during Israel’s minor Gaza operation (in reaction to the rocketing into Israel) was just a little wram-up to what the world has planned, and the US won’t be a safe refuge as it always has been, because the US will have radically changed from what it has traditionally been. Leftist Jews just don’t understand the world, at all.

Sep 26, 2009 - 3:14 am 3. Ed Lasky:

Hi Lauri,

Thank you for the plug and for the columns you have written. I might also ask, regarding Americna Jews who have defended Brack Obama on the issue of American-Israel relations, that they mioght choose to reflect on their own actions as we approach Yom Kippur (The Day of Atonement)?
They have reasons to atone for their actions.

Ed

Sep 26, 2009 - 4:04 am 4. RightwingHippieChick:

Have you considered that these guys simply don’t care at all, no matter what happens — which is why they are lefties in the first place.

Many on the left(jews and others) don’t actually grasp the full reality of there here and now, but confuse real life with a Tom & Jerry cartoon, where everyone lives happily ever afterwards, as long as the Kumbaya loony tune keeps playing.

They mean well, but are too inept to do any good.

Sep 26, 2009 - 4:11 am 5. Wake up the World is on Fire:

There is no connection between the Jews that supported Obama and Israel.

What part of “NO” is it that the faithful Jewish people in the United States of America don’t get about the liberal Democrat Jews? They have not supported Israel since the day Israel became a nation; May 15th, 1948 if my memory is correct.

That said; it appears that the liberal Democrat Jews support Obama because they value their own self interests more than they do Israel’s OR the United States of America.

To this end they are joined at the hips with all the other fools that voted for Obama; and for whatever reason they also don’t seem to mind that Obama is a self confessed member of the bastardized version of Christianity called Black Liberation Theology which explicitly teaches black children (and adults) to hate America, white people and Jews as the source of centuries of suppression of their race.

Sep 26, 2009 - 4:40 am 6. Steve:

The Silence of the Lambs

Sep 26, 2009 - 4:45 am 7. David P:

The feckless Jewish left lack the basic applied experiences to comprehend the implications.

Sep 26, 2009 - 5:33 am 8. pelaut:

It’s the history of metro Jews. Think the Mensheviks of a century ago.
Think of the apologists even after cristalnacht.
It’s ever been thus.
Thank God for BB!

Sep 26, 2009 - 5:36 am 9. ed:

Is it a culture of self-destruction or massive hypocrisy that motivates the silence?

Sep 26, 2009 - 6:06 am 10. Where’s the Outrage Among Liberal American Jews? | Secolul 21 ~ 21st Century:

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Sep 26, 2009 - 6:09 am 11. David P:

While Israel’s future hangs in the balance the manipulated Jewish Left, drunk on the phantom idea of utopia, validates slander, promotes misinformation, fosters communal division and ignores facts in favor of historical revision & appeasement.

NEVER AGAIN! is a deliberate statement that was created to misdirect our attention away from the conditions that led to it in the first place so that IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN!

Sep 26, 2009 - 6:21 am 12. digitalis:

You won’t hear anything. You keep featuring articles like this thinking people won’t notice the elephant in the room. The “jews” of which you speak are Marxist-Leninists. As long as Obama is the same, they won’t complain. Their “anti-Semitism” is just a sword to shut up the opposition. Just like the charge of racism. Delete this comment too. For a site which purports to champion free speech and different ideas you have your own Ministry of Truth.

Sep 26, 2009 - 6:24 am 13. homero:

this is a question I have been asking myself for a long time, I have read several pieces trying to explain it but as of yet have not hear a convincing argument.

I understand that if the democracy in Israel fails so too will democracy around the world. This a fight for freedom. (I am not jewish). If we cannot support the only democracy in the middle east we will not defend it at home.

the obama administration has made it clear that he is not about democracy or freedom. with his deeds we see that he is intent on garnering complete control of all aspects of society. he is creating a dictatorship.

Those how consider this an extreme view have not studied history.

Sep 26, 2009 - 6:48 am 14. Sandra:

As unreal as it may seem, I believe that evangelical Christians in the US remain the staunchest defender and ally of Israel. It is baffling to me that liberal Jews in the US are turning a blind eye to the precarious state of Israel as it stands to defend itself against neighboring countries intent on destroying it. And I have no illusions that President Obama would step in to defend Israel against attack.

Sep 26, 2009 - 7:05 am 15. RKV:

American Jews are merely supporting their old homeland – Russia, like they have been since they immigrated. This is much the same as Mexicans in America turning a blind eye to illegal immigration. Communism, at least as practiced by Russia/Soviet Union always was just a cover for Great Russian imperialism – only with a top notch masrikova plan. So Russian Jewish immigrants to America supported Communism in large measure and for the same reasons (i.e. Russian Imperialism). Now they support the current Russian empire, which is using the Arabs and Persians to break the West. However they attempt to deceive themselves or others, their actions speak louder than their words. No amount of talk about social justice can change the plain facts – they want power, and they want to be on the winning side, no matter the moral bankruptcy of socialism.

Sep 26, 2009 - 7:06 am 16. Joe:

I should think that by now, it would be obvious to even the most ardent admirer of Obama, that he is no supporter of Israel. I shudder to even contemplate what would happen if Israel did bomb Iran and then asked us for help. The true friends of Israel are the Republicans and that is why so many of us found it unbelievable that with Obama’s political history the Jewish vote went for Obama. Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.

Sep 26, 2009 - 7:11 am 17. Let’s face it, the Jews ARE to blame « Mark Epstein:

[...] for the Left, there are still those who don’t “get it.” For example, Lauri Regan wrote: “I agree that the silence of America’s Jewish population has been deafening with regard to [...]

Sep 26, 2009 - 7:34 am 18. Anna:

In my opinion the debate in the US regarding the middle east has long been too pro-Israel. Mainstream media focuses on terrible Israeli losses, the Israelis are reportedly “our only friends in the region” and we must help them at all costs etc. To say anything else is “Unamerican”.
As a consequence Israel has been able to do most anything and still get approval from the US.

This viewpoint completely ignores that there are two sides to every story. And that BOTH Israel and its neighbors are to blame for the conflict.

What Obama has done is simply to take both sides into consideration and be fair and strict to both sides. Granted, that will feel like a loss to Israel but look at it this way: The “support Israel at all costs”-policy has not brought peace to the region in the many many years it has been US policy.
Maybe it is time to try something new? After all, Israel too will benefit from peace.

Sep 26, 2009 - 7:54 am 19. EscapeVelocity:

I found the discussion at Jewcy and Harry’s Place with regards to Messianic Judaism (specifically of the Jesus variety) illuminating.

Sep 26, 2009 - 7:55 am 20. Richard Vail:

American Jews have bet the farm on Mr. Obama. They have listened to what he has had to say, but have ignored those with whom he has associated with over the past 20 years. On the surface, Mr. Obama has said all the things that are required of politicians (particularly those on the left) in order to get both money and support of the Jewish American Community…Yet, so far, none of Mr. Obama’s policies, as they involve Israel have been in Israel’s best interests. Nor could you call any of Mr. Obama’s associates be remotely called pro-Israel, therefore it shouldn’t come as a shock that he’s pursuing a course of action that is inimicable to the security of the Israeli State.

By ignoring the greater problems of the Middle East, particularly, the refusal of Arab states to recognize the right of Israel to exist, nothing will change. The Arab dictatorships will continue to use Israel as a distraction from their internal problems. Until this “problem” is overcome no change in the Middle East “Peace Process” will be achieved. But I digress…Until American Jews realize that there is a genuine anti-Semitic feeling on the far left in America (as well as the rest of the world), they will continue to blindly support Mr. Obama and his misguided policies.

Sep 26, 2009 - 8:05 am 21. JCL:

Obama this week gave anti-Semites worldwide reasons to celebrate. He made clear that under his administration, the United States is no longer a loyal ally of Israel. The consequences of his actions won’t be far off in coming.

Wasn’t it Papa Assad who once told Kissinger that the United States had abandoned its friend Vietnam when we pulled out from there? Assad also said that the day would come when the United States would get tired of supporting Israel, and that the Arabs would be waiting. Is this day drawing near? Is Obama going for a two-for-one move perhaps, abandon Afghanistan and Israel at the same time?

Since Obama was elected, whatever the actions toward Israel, they seem not to exercise the 75-80% of the American Jews who joyfully voted for Obama. The fact that these American Jews voted true to their faith last year, a faith that is best described as “Liberalism ueber alles,” seems all that matters. Alan Dershowitz is still proud of his support of Obama. After all, Alan has “influence” with the President. No doubt, so do other American Jews, like David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel. So things must be not be too bad for the American Jewish community.

At any rate, if the American Jewish community doesn’t see Obama’s actions toward Israel as problematic, why should I as a non-Jew care?

JCL

Sep 26, 2009 - 8:10 am 22. Calvin Ball:

Meanwhile in Honduras, Zelaya blames Israelis for getting in his head, and the US government is backing up this paranoid freakaziod.

And the liberal Jews think this is just ducky. They think everything’s ducky. The question, is there anything that this administration could possibly do that wouldn’t be ducky?

As an aside, I think this needs to be thrown in their faces again, and again, and again. I’m not going to tire of the 37th article on this subject. Lauri, keep ‘em coming. I want the cognitive dissonance to be as unbearable as the Israeli death rays in Zelaya’s head.

Sep 26, 2009 - 8:44 am 23. RKV:

Everything IS ducky for American Jewish leftists. Their guy won, so they’ll be in on the spoils, right? Right?

Not. They’re headed under this bus when they become inconvenient, just like so many others.

Sep 26, 2009 - 8:55 am 24. Skip:

Jewish theology is a thin veneer under which Democratic liberalism serves as the contemporary religion.

Sep 26, 2009 - 8:56 am 25. wondering:

I have read the above blogs and I think they are pretty good. The one thing I noticed is that people seem to think the ’silence’ to due to some awareness on the American Jews part.
The US Jews did not vote for Obama because of anything to do with Israel. They voted for him because all they know and see, is the promotion of abortion and gay rights. Beyond that, they give little evidence that they are even aware of any other issues.
The only way to reach them would be to have some hollywood star speak out for Israel and remind them, that the country does exist. But life being what it is, the stars only speak against Israel. So, it looks like a lost cause.

Sep 26, 2009 - 8:57 am 26. biblio44:

“Where’s the Outrage Among Liberal American Jews?”

Yeah, like we’re really gonna join the birthers, death-panelers, Beckers, O’Reillyers, Paliners…. Feh! Treif!

Sep 26, 2009 - 9:00 am 27. EscapeVelocity:

Yeah, who would join those people in defense of Israel. If they defend Israel, then Israel must be evil. Death to Israel!

LOL!

Anyways, Jewish silence is weird. Perhaps the J Street Jews have convinced American Jews that Israel is a criminal state, that must be stopped in pursuit of world peace.

But they will remain in the Anti Christian Democrat Party, as that is what modern secularized Jews have left of their religion, anti Christianity. Real Jews vote Republican.

Sep 26, 2009 - 9:15 am 28. james wilson:

Never say Never Again.

Sep 26, 2009 - 9:16 am 29. bruce nahin:

My parents( I am 56) are old school Dems- In their view the Dems are always right…and frankly I think their allegiance albeit misplaced as were the Jews in Germany, seem to lie with the US not Israel…That is the only way I can explain why they and the rest of the West LA Jewish Liberal Community( and the Valley too of course) continue to support Obama. What about the ” Hollywood” people..Katzenback, Speilberg,Eisner,Streisand, and the rest…we continue to hear nothing form these people.

Sep 26, 2009 - 9:23 am 30. Dave M.:

First off, there will never, ever be peace in the Middle East. Islam is not interested in peace it is interested in conquest. Read the Koran (start with Sura 9), the Hadith, the ramblings of Osama bin Laden, Ahmadinejad, et al. Second, American secular Jews do not care about Israel. In fact, they wish it would go away. Thus, they are the epitome of the “useful idiot”. They are too sophisticated to believe in good and evil, are steeped in moral relativism and, therefore, are incapable of judging right from wrong. They ignore 5,000 years of history and are embarassed by the reminder of “never again”. Thus, it will happen again.

Why the death wish? I’m willing to fight for you, why aren’t you willing to fight for yourselves?

Sep 26, 2009 - 9:25 am 31. rbell:

Liberals are Liberals. They are not American, Catholic, Jewish, black or white, male or female. They belong to an identity group that is far superior to their particular ethnic, gender or race. It is a far stronger identity than any other they might have. To them they are part of an intellecual elite that is more morale and more far thinking than the the general population could ever be. THEY LIVE IN FEAR of being caste out of this privleged group. Memebership costs very little – political correctness of thought, speach, and supporting all of the PC causes. They are no longer capable of critical thought or making independent decisions based upon the facts. They believe themselves to be basically good and all those outside of their identity group basically evil, uneducated or worse – poor. They are the ultimate elitists. They have no fear of God because they have no belief in God. Don’t let membership to a particular faith or Church fool you. They are non-beliivers and many of them preach from the pulpit each Saturday or Sunday.

Wherever they go – poverty, disease and war follow. You only have to drive through one of our many urban centers to see the results of their fine efforts. They live in darkness because they follow the Prince of Darkness. If it was up the the liberal Jew Israel would have disappeared a long time ago.

Sep 26, 2009 - 9:32 am 32. rbell:

Liberals are Liberals. They are not American, Catholic, Jewish, black or white, male or female. They belong to an identity group that is far superior to their particular ethnic, gender or race. It is a far stronger identity than any other they might have. To them they are part of intellectual elite that is more morale and more far thinking than the general population could ever be. THEY LIVE IN FEAR of being caste out of this privileged group. Membership costs very little – political correctness of thought, speech, and supporting all of the PC causes. They are no longer capable of critical thought or making independent decisions based upon the facts. They believe themselves to be basically good and all those outside of their identity group basically evil, uneducated or worse – poor. They are the ultimate elitists. They have no fear of God because they have no belief in God. Don’t let memberships to a particular faith or Church fool you. They are non-believers and many of them preach from the pulpit each Saturday or Sunday.
Wherever they go – poverty, disease and war follow. You only have to drive through one of our many urban centers to see the results of their fine efforts. They live in darkness because they follow the Prince of Darkness. If it was up the liberal Jew Israel would have disappeared a long time ago.

Sep 26, 2009 - 9:36 am 33. Poor Citizen:

The entire Israel/Palistinian/Arab/Mideast past and present is unsolvable given all of the “players” current thinking. Therefore the future is DOA as well…..

So, little to nothing to report about till that changes. Except, may both of their own higher powers protect the innocent.

Sep 26, 2009 - 9:50 am 34. adam:

Forget about liberal Jews–Israel plays a purely symbolic role for them now, in the form of a ritual of disavowal (mourning a more humanist, pre-Likud Israel) that binds them to their leftist friends. Fortunately, as George Gilder had been pointing out, Israel has dramatically increased the technological, economic and intellectual distance between itself and the rest of the region. It may not need US support any more. In a post-American worlds, countries like Israel, India, Taiwan, and the Central European countries may find and support each other–the smaller (well, not India…) or at least more “marginal” free countries who share economic interests and military concerns. The real task now is to prepare to argue in favor of Israel’s strike on Iran, whenever that comes–I can guarantee that liberal Jews will be of no help at all with that.

Sep 26, 2009 - 9:53 am 35. glenn:

I’m old, I don’t have any grandchildren. If American Jews don’t care why should I? Some principle. The West abandons principles as it suits them. Who cares.

Sep 26, 2009 - 10:13 am 36. Ranchera:

I asked my Israeli friends, and their answer was that they are marxists first and jewish second. Her husband is an atheists and distant relative of Lenin. So, they don’t really care if Israel exists or not. And they also think the Bibi’s speech was horrible. So, am i going to try to talk to them and bring them to their senses? Like Michael Jackson said about Hitler? To each, its own. So, I don’t think Conservatives should spend time about Israel anymore, they are all grown up and if that is what they want..let them have it! If they prefer to live under an Islamic country, and kiss Mahmoud a@@, let them..so many of them did it anyways during the Ottoman Empire and they still do in Iran. Look what Soros, a Jew, did to other Jews in Hungary during WWII?

Sep 26, 2009 - 10:21 am 37. 888:

The writer is delusional if he thinks the American Jew — the progressive, extreme left wing Jew — will wake up and suddenly accept that their messiah is an enemy of Israel. The liberal Jew is Obama’s die-hard follower, willing to give the elitist charlatan whatever support he needs to force his socialist policies down our throat.

Ideology is what drives the left-wing American Jew — not common sense, principles, values or reality. In other words, the extremely liberal American Jew is not as sharp after all as he or she is wanting us to believe. Yes, folks, it is true: the left-wing American Jew is, indeed, an idiot and a sell-out.

Sep 26, 2009 - 10:37 am 38. JCL:

Adam #34 above

….Israel… may not need US support any more…. The real task now is to prepare to argue in favor of Israel’s strike on Iran….

Don’t be too sure about that. Israel still depends on bunker-busting and other such high-tech weapons; they can’t be manufactured, let alone developed, domestically, over night. Up through the last days of the Bush administration, such weapons were continuously shipped to Israel, not least to re-stock what was used in Lebanon.

Whether Obama starts embargoing those shipments, or let’s them quietly continue, will tell where Israel truly stands with him.

JCL

Sep 26, 2009 - 10:43 am 39. ricpic:

RKV is so dead wrong. The overwhelming majority of Jews who fled Russia at the turn of the century (the great period of Jewish immigration from roughly 1890 to 1910) had no illusions whatsoever about the land of the cossacks and never looked back.

Of course RKV is a filthy antisemit so I don’t write this for his bigoted eyes. I write it to honor my ancestors who came to the golden shore and married America, heart and soul.

Sep 26, 2009 - 10:56 am 40. Ruvy:

I’m going to be very blunt about all this and lots of folks won’t like me for stating the truth.

By and large American Jews who supported Obama want nothing to do with Israel – except to visit – maybe. They want little to do with G-d, they certainly want nothing to do with Jewish identity – except to pervert it. They want to sleep with shiksas and worship at the latest altar of liberal “garbarge du jour”.

So far as I’m concerned they are no longer part of MY people.

By and large, American Jews who supported Obama are the evil son at the Passover table – “what does this mean to you“. And by saying “you” they separate themselves from us, who have come home and put our faith in G-d.

They have separated themselves from us and have no place at OUR table. When the Fascism that has taken over the United States starts to persecute them, they will deserve the persecution they suffer and will not escape it.

Sep 26, 2009 - 11:23 am 41. genghis:

There is nothing so dumb as a Liberal Jew. you would have thought that after 5,000 years of precarious existence they would have learned something about self-preservation. The American Liberal Jewish community is to enamored with their comfrotable life to be troubled by Israel’s predicament or survival. Or, to quote Forrest Gump. stupid is as stupid does.

Sep 26, 2009 - 11:44 am 42. Prologue:

Perhaps it is simply appeasement prompted by fear. Whatever the cause, the result will be catastrophic. The handwriting is plainly written on the wall.

Sep 26, 2009 - 12:09 pm 43. Tov:

Ricpic: RKV says it like it is! You sound just like those Marxists that If you are agaisnt Obama you are racists or just because you say the truth about the Marxist Jews, you are anti-semite! What about George Soros who at the age of 14 in Hungary sold out on other Jews. Shame on him and those who sold out on their own flesh to make a buck or two! Russian Jews like Rahm’s parents intructed their kids to be marxists first. Axelrod mother has the same background. They have the right to bring this country to the grown because they are Marxist Jews and we have to shut up and take it or we will be anti-semite?
The truth hurts and that is the case. Read the prayer that you say before you go into the sinagogue and that will explain to you everything.

Sep 26, 2009 - 12:18 pm 44. adam:

“…Israel still depends on bunker-busting and other such high-tech weapons; they can’t be manufactured, let alone developed, domestically, over night. Up through the last days of the Bush administration, such weapons were continuously shipped to Israel, not least to re-stock what was used in Lebanon.

Whether Obama starts embargoing those shipments, or let’s them quietly continue, will tell where Israel truly stands with him.

JCL”

Point taken. Still, if they can’t be developed and manufactured over night, they could be over time, right? Or substitutes found? If we take the worst-case scenario, would Israel be in immediate, or even middle term, dire danger? I don’t think so–but I have to admit I’m not sure.

Sep 26, 2009 - 12:38 pm 45. 6079SmithW:

As I ponder the unmitigated stupidity of the American liberal in general, I am astounded that American Jews feel no affinity for Israel – or so this article and subsequent posts appear to claim. If this is in fact true, then the American Jew is no better than any other single-issue, terminally ignorant, and morally bankrupt liberal voter.

Sep 26, 2009 - 12:43 pm 46. Amy:

That should be “Goldstone,” not “Gladstone.” Otherwise, an excellent analysis of a question I’ve been asking myself for the last year or so.

Sep 26, 2009 - 12:47 pm 47. RKV:

Calling me an anti-Semite (please learn to spell it correctly, even if you can’t figure out what it is or is not) is an attempt to distract from the facts. You’ve lost the argument and haven’t got a logical rebuttal so play the racism card. If, the majority of Jews who fled Russia and came to America had no illusions about Russia then perhaps their children wouldn’t be voting socialist. Unlike European Jewry, my Armenian relations (who made a similar journey) embraced America and capitalism. But, American Jews vote 85%+ Democrat and make up the left (socialist) wing of the party. Those are facts, and there’s nothing anti-Semitic in facts. They (Russian Jewish emigres) SHOULD know better. The statistics say they don’t. I’ve attempted to explain their embrace of socialism, in psychological terms, as a kind of Stockholm Syndrome.

Sep 26, 2009 - 1:00 pm 48. carla:

Sheep to slaughter.

Sep 26, 2009 - 1:37 pm 49. Mohammed:

Children of the Book. We thank you Saalam.

Sep 26, 2009 - 1:38 pm 50. Mike Jefferson:

Obama plays on the ignorance and sympathies of many liberal, American Jews. Quite frankly, I doubt that many of them know what Obama’s policies are. If one’s source material was CNN, NYT’s, ABC, etc., as many liberal, American Jews’ are, then the prospect of any informed base is essentially zero.

Let me illustrate this point with a recent conversation that I had with a liberal, pro-Israel, co-worker.

Me: “Aren’t you concerned over Obama’s harsh rhetoric towards Israel?”,
ILJ (idiot liberal Jew): “What do you mean?”
Me: “Where should we begin, 1) His speech in Cairo, 2) His demands on the “settlements”, 3) His prohibition of delivery of bunker busting bombs, 4) His speech at the UN,…”
ILJ: “How can you say that, Obama has Jews as his closest advisors, Axelrod, Emanuel, etc.”

Obviously, this conversation degenerated and the ILJ had no factual knowledge or basis for discussion. It was to a major extent a mirror of the classic liberal ideology namely that facts and actions don’t matter rather one’s intent is all that counts. Since Obama has a good intent, the ILJ reasons that whatever Obama says and does matters not.

These ILJ’s are of the same mentality as those loyal and liberal German Jews who marched in utter disbelief on their journey to the gas chambers.

My point is that these people will never wake up as they live in fantasy worlds and will ultimately be destroyed by their ignorance. I hate to say this but the Bible and History teaches us of the consequences of purposeful ignorance. My only hope is that there are enough righteous people left in this world who are willing to rise up and defeat the tyrannical forces that are coming to bear.

Sep 26, 2009 - 1:56 pm 51. katiejane:

I’ve wondered about the Jewish support for Obama given his clear lack indication that there is nothing special about our relationship with Israel.

I can only conclude that the majority of liberal American Jews see nothing special about Israel either.

Sep 26, 2009 - 2:21 pm 52. Stephen Rittenberg:

Liberalism has become a utopian religion. It appeals to Jews who wish to shed their particularism in favor of a universal identity. Appeals to self interest don’t work with my fellow Jews who prefer to massage their own narcissism by assuming the liberal stance of moral superiority.

Sep 26, 2009 - 2:24 pm 53. JL:

Israel has overplayed it’s hand.

Sep 26, 2009 - 2:33 pm 54. Vegas Dave:

I firmly agree with Mrs. Regan’s assessment of the current sitaution about Obama and Israel. I am an American Jew who was once Iiberal, but now is a conservative. My gut kept telling me to not vote for Obama which I did not. I try telling my father about the situation with Israel and Obama in which how much he has turned his back on Israel. My father refuses to believe what I tell him since he thinks all conservatives are crazy. I support Israel 100%. Liberal Jews wake up already and see what this clown in chief for president has already done to us. Enough with Jewish guilt and he’ black so he can do no wrong. OBAMA IS ONE EVIL MAN!!!

Sep 26, 2009 - 2:33 pm 55. Vegas Dave:

Mike Jefferson: You hit the nail on the door. This is the conversation I end up with my liberal father who said the same thing your liberal said about Obama. These liberals refuse to believe what is going on arond them. They think unless its on the major networks like ABC,CBS,And NBC, or in the newspaper it can’t be true. These are the trully uneducated baffoons who think anything on the internet is not true. I feel sorry for them.

Sep 26, 2009 - 2:48 pm 56. Mike:

1. The majority of Liberal Jews are anti-Zionist
2. Almost all Liberal Jews are anti-orthodox and though Israel is not yet controlled by the religious nationalists they have an extremely strong influence in the Likud and will most likely take control of Israel within the next 2 to 3 years.

The part about being anti-Zionist is interesting since the main founders of the State of Israel were non religous Zionists. Not only that but the original political heavy weights post 1948 consisted almost entirely of Progressives, especially among the German Jews who controlled and still control the country as opposed to the Spanish Jews.

Sep 26, 2009 - 2:48 pm 57. adam:

“47. RKV:

Calling me an anti-Semite (please learn to spell it correctly, even if you can’t figure out what it is or is not) is an attempt to distract from the facts. You’ve lost the argument and haven’t got a logical rebuttal so play the racism card. If, the majority of Jews who fled Russia and came to America had no illusions about Russia then perhaps their children wouldn’t be voting socialist. Unlike European Jewry, my Armenian relations (who made a similar journey) embraced America and capitalism. But, American Jews vote 85%+ Democrat and make up the left (socialist) wing of the party. Those are facts, and there’s nothing anti-Semitic in facts. They (Russian Jewish emigres) SHOULD know better. The statistics say they don’t. I’ve attempted to explain their embrace of socialism, in psychological terms, as a kind of Stockholm Syndrome.”

I don’t know if you are anti-Semitic but your explanation definitely is. There are several available explanations for American Jews’ regrettable Leftism–as another commenter just mentioned, secularism and ultimately Leftism is a way for Jews to shed (in an illusory manner) their “particularist” identity and become “human”; and, it results from the Christianophobia many Jews brought over here from Europe (and is reinforced by Jewish secularism). Both of these explanations account for the facts far better than yours–I defy you to find a single American Jew who asserts loyalty to Russia, while I can easily find any number who claim to fear the “Christian Right” or insist they are “human” rather than “Jewish.” And both explanations make sense in terms of the history of Jews as a minority in hostile environments. Your explanation, rather, goes right into the “dual loyalty” charge that always justifies hatred of Jews, aside from being bizarre–if it’s just loyalty to Russia, why aren’t today’s American Jews defenders of Putin?

Sep 26, 2009 - 2:52 pm 58. Tov:

Guess what the Liberal marxists Jews are already thinking? Now that Obama is so down in the Polls and that the whole Marxists agenda is down the drain after the Van Jones and Acorn affairs. They are moving back to Israel! In two years, that’s the plan.

PS: How is Madoff connected to Soros with the derivatives? How are the two connected? There must be an investigation as to where Obama got all that money for his campaign. Namazee is already in jail(Valerie Jarret’s friend from Iran) Can you guys investigate that!

Sep 26, 2009 - 3:23 pm 59. stuiec:

“Liberal American Jews look at Israel as an anchor around their necks. They are very happy to see it disappear, so that they don’t have to keep apologizing for it to their leftist friends. And the leftist Jews even look forward to being able to cry crocodile tears over the millions of Jews who would die, acting as if they care for ‘humanity’.”

The foregoing is repugnant, offensive… and unfortunately quite true.

Before 1967, Israel was the plucky underdog, a Mideast bastion of Socialism. Its kibbutzniks were going to prove that Socialism could be done right with the right people in charge.

After 1967, Israel became the top dog — and worse, Likud governments in the 1970s steered it away from Socialism. At the same time, the PLO emphasized its Marxist orientation and formed a connection to the IRA, as well as to Baathist client states of the beloved Soviet Union.

So of course Leftists in America learned to despise Israel. And the choice for liberal American Jews was clear: Israel was an abstraction for most of them, whereas their Leftist friends were the people making up their day-to-day social calendars. Liberal Jews found it far easier to spit on Israel than to become social outcasts among their peers.

Sep 26, 2009 - 3:25 pm 60. Mark in Texas:

By their slavish devotion to the Democratic Party, Jews make themselves as politically powerless as Blacks. Republicans know that they will never get their votes no matter what they do for them and Democrats know that they will never lose their votes no matter what they do to them. Why should anybody listen to them when everybody knows that they will be at the polls on election day voting for everybody with a “D” next to their name.

As for Israel, while I wish them well, why should I care about the place more than American Jews who seem quite happily complicit in its impending destruction?

Sep 26, 2009 - 4:19 pm 61. JP:

USA Jews are like most USA citizens, too far removed from what was life in the 30s through the mid 40s.
Having been raised in relative ease and given an indoctrinization at our best colleges and Universties they are unaware of true evil and daily life struggles most people endure worldwide,except as presented by the old media.
Obama is hopefully the last Wizard of Oz that gets elected, however the state of Israel may have to lift a heavy load singularly or be destroyed because of his moral blindness.

Sep 26, 2009 - 4:20 pm 62. adam:

“58. Tov:

Guess what the Liberal marxists Jews are already thinking? Now that Obama is so down in the Polls and that the whole Marxists agenda is down the drain after the Van Jones and Acorn affairs. They are moving back to Israel! In two years, that’s the plan.

PS: How is Madoff connected to Soros with the derivatives? How are the two connected? There must be an investigation as to where Obama got all that money for his campaign. Namazee is already in jail(Valerie Jarret’s friend from Iran) Can you guys investigate that!

Sep 26, 2009 – 3:23 pm”

Crazed anti-semitism or lame parody? It gets harder to tell parody from realityv these days.

George Gilder gives some good reasons for caring about what happens to Israel. (We should also care about Taiwan and S. Korea, even if American Taiwanese and Koreans don’t)

Sep 26, 2009 - 5:25 pm 63. genghis:

Coward.

Sep 26, 2009 - 6:22 pm 64. Tov:

Hi Adam,
What? Do you also have friends (or yourself) who are thinking to return to Israel because the US is down the toilet? First, you vote for this idiots to come to power and then you live us in the middle of it?.
I wish Adam that it was a commedy. But it isn’t. I know it is hard to recognise certain things and the best way to deal with it is by laughing or ignoring it or rejecting them. I wish I was wrong.
You reminded me of my son..when we used to do math togheter, he would be so ungry and mad and then after we went over the examples, he would get it. When you teach a new thing to a person, it is normal to react with unger. I wish I was wrong Adam..I wish…it is not a parody anymore and Israel won’t make it…all that work for what. Taiwan will be next and if the socialists win in Greece, they are the next to go.

Sep 26, 2009 - 6:30 pm 65. Jack in Silver Spring:

I think rbell @ 31 is spot on, while Ruvy @40 is a little harsh, he is essentially correct. I do not think in contradistinction to some of the comments here that Americans who are Jewish are Marxist-Leninists, and I know know such American who supports Russia as some claim here. I think, though, because of our lachrymose history with Christians in Europe many Jews continue to be allergic to Christianity or things associated or thought to be associated with Christianity. Such things are categorized as being in the realm of the other. I see that in non-observant Jews, as well as those like myself who are observant. The consequence of being allergic carries over into the political realm. So, Jews ending voting for the party they perceive to be “secular” party, i.e., the Democrat Party and not the party they perceive to be of the “religious Right,” i.e the Republican Party.

As for myself, I have come to see Christians in America in an entirely different light than many Americans who are Jewish, and especially Evangelical Christians who, for whatever reason, are generally staunchly pro-Israel. Moreover, I see the Republican Party as, at least claiming to be, the party of free enterprise and individual liberty. Moreover, the Republican Party continues to support Israel strongly even though most Jews vote the other party, and that is truly remarkable. Consequently, I have found the Republican Party much more congenial to my way of thinking, even though growing up in Brooklyn in the 1950s, I thought I was a Democrat. Like many other Jews who went from Left to Right, I had my own journey (think Norman Podhoretz, the late Irving Kristol, PJM’s own Ron Radosh, my dissertation adviser, etc). Indeed, there was a time when I was the only Republican in the synagogue. Now, though, I see other observant Jews my age and younger who are as “conservative” (i.e., classical liberal) as I am. Indeed, I would bet a good chunk of the 20% who didn’t vote for Obama was drawn from the population of observant Jews. Insofar as observant have much larger families than non-observant Jews, and insofar as the non-observant Jewish population in America, in the inimitable words of Meir Kahane, is dissolving through inter-marriage, there many not be too many of them left in another generation or two. In that case the percentage of Jews voting Republican will be much higher than today (although the total population will be smaller).

There are those here who blame Israel for the current situation in the mid-East (to name 2: Matthew @ 1 and Anna @ 18). Recall, though, it was the Arabs who rejected the original partition plan, it was and is the Arabs who remain totally intransigent, it was Arab rockets from Lebanon that led to several Israeli incursions there, it was rockets from Gaza that initiated the recent Israeli operation there and that was after Israel withdrew and uprooted 8000 Jews to make Gaza Judenrein, it was suicide bombers coming in from areas in the autonomous west bank that led to roadblocks and walls, it is current Arab intransigence (e.g., demanding all Arabs who left be allowed to return to Israel, and refusing to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, etc.) that makes peace impossible. So don’t blame Israel for the current situation.

Sep 26, 2009 - 7:13 pm 66. adam:

No, no friends moving or returning to Israel–the numbers must be easy enough to check but I would bet that that traffic remains overwhelmingly in the other direction (what is it, 300,000 Israelis living in the States?). If your argument depends upon mass Jewish emigration to Israel, I have no need to be angry, because there is no need to take you seriously.

Still, who knows–maybe this is another one of those Jewish conspiracies that I’ve been left out of. Maybe I’m a Jew among Jews.

Sep 26, 2009 - 7:26 pm 67. Matthew:

Jack in Silver Spring:

“There are those here who blame Israel for the current situation in the mid-East (to name 2: Matthew @ 1 and Anna @ 18)”

That’s a stretch. I don’t blame israel for the whole situation. You’re absolutely right that the arabs have been notoriously disingenuous and made a serious of arrogance-inspired attempts to overrun israel (luckily they were incompetent and/or outgunned). The arab position is the main problem and obstacle to peace, but that doesn’t excuse israel’s activities.

Sep 27, 2009 - 12:20 am 68. rbell:

It is not just about liberal Jews betraying their ethnic and religious heritage. How about the Roman Catholics who went to Obama’s commencement speech at Notre Dame? They applauded a man who is for trimester abortions and even the infanticide of handicap children. Supposedly they sent their children to a religious school and yet they cheer a man who thumbs his nose at basic morale values. I can only hope that when Obama care comes into being and they need acute services for cancer the nurse will send them home with a pain patch and directions to the nearest hospice. Does that sound mean? Not as mean as a pair of scissors jabbed into the soft head of a new born.

Sep 27, 2009 - 4:56 am 69. RKV:

Adam, I wouldn’t characterize either myself, or my (attempt at) explanation as anti-Semitic. Doubtless human motivation is complex and the several other possible sources you suggest (secularism, and a phobia for Christians) certainly have influence. The subject of secular Ashkenazi Jews affiliation for socialism is one that is certainly under discussion – see Ron Radosh for one who is struggling with understanding why it is so prevalent. For my part, I assert that at least some of the explanation includes loyalty to the “old country.” It needn’t be something that is conscious – so your question as to why we don’t hear praise for Putin is moot. I know my own affinity for the countries which my immigrant ancestors came from – and so I am comfortable with my explanation in light of my own experience. America’s “special relationship” with the UK should be seen similarly – history, ties of affiliation, language, culture, etc. are the backdrop to our last 100 years or so of strategic partnership.

Divided loyalties are a reality of the human condition – and I assert such is the case here, no less than in other circumstances where the facts fit (see the Hawaiian Independence movement for a comparison – and yes such a thing seriously exists today). Such an argument fits the facts and is not racist on its face, since I generalize this appreciation of our common human nature to other cultures. I’d appreciate you and others at least giving me the benefit of the doubt on my argument, and not jumping to conclusions about me being a racist, or making racist arguments. Your approach (”I don’t know if you are anti-Semitic but your explanation definitely is.”) appears to me to be an attempt to shut down rational discussion, rather than a thoughtful response to the facts and arguments presented.

As to the notion that my arguments make the ‘“dual loyalty” charge that always justifies hatred of Jews’ – do you deny that such a case can occur? Can Jews, like other human beings have divided loyalties? Or, can Jews do no wrong? No, they are human and can do wrong. Therefore, they can have divided loyalties. My question is do the facts fit the argument? I believe that such an argument has some explanatory power, and I do NOT assert that it completely explains. Socialism is a definite moral evil to my way of thinking, both for its theory and its practice. I’ll not excuse those who promulgate it, no matter their race, creed or national origin. If that is your definition of “anti-Semite” then I’m guilty as charged.

Sep 27, 2009 - 5:38 am 70. Matthew:

rbell:

“They applauded a man who is for trimester abortions …”

I’m pretty sure there’s a word missing in there somewhere. But in any case I think someone should point out that NOBODY is “for” abortions, in that same way that nobody is “for” war. Missing the point that badly is just silly.

“… and even the infanticide of handicap children”

I’m sorry? Really? Got a link to back that up?

“they cheer a man who thumbs his nose at basic morale values”

You seem very hung up on that one moral value. I bet you’re not as hung up on the moral value of ensuring that your fellow citizens can get decent medical care. What’s your position on the moral value of executing people? Or torturing people?

“I can only hope that when Obama care comes into being and they need acute services for cancer the nurse will send them home with a pain patch and directions to the nearest hospice”

So … you’re hoping that people who applaud obama will die.

Sep 27, 2009 - 6:08 am 71. Sunday, September 27, 2009 — ExposeTheMedia.com:

[...] Where’s The Outrage Among Liberal American Jews? [...]

Sep 27, 2009 - 6:23 am 72. Bohemond:

Matthew:

“Settlements are constantly being built on land that was taken by force, or even known to be still legally owned by palestinians. The takeovers aren’t compensated. The idea that this is ok simply because the previous owners are arabs is blatantly racist”

This is a factually-challenged assertion. Israel has not founded new settlements nor expanded existing ones in years. And I would suggest that the construction of the existing settlements was ‘ok’ not because of racism, but because the previous owner, Jordan, launched a war of annihilation against Israel and lost. “Taken by force” is a real weasel-wording of the events of 1967: are you suggesting that East Prussia should be cleansed of Polish “settlers” and returned to its German “legal owners?”

Sep 27, 2009 - 7:00 am 73. adam:

RKV,

There are plural loyalties that can become problematic when the loyalties come into conflict–Jews can be loyal to both Israel and the US, as long as they choose the US if the loyalties conflict–and such plural loyalties can be positive if the effort is made to harmonize the various interests involved. And political habits from a previous homeland can be continued in the new one, but that argument actually applies much better to Israeli Jews, who maintained for a long time the political habits of socialist rebels and emigres. I think you would find it hard to deny that Jews have Americanized themselves pretty thoroughly. I am sorry if I placed your analysis too quickly in a very familiar frame, which is used to present Jews as disloyal. But the argument you make now is much more moderate than your previous one, and I have little objection to it. You here emphasize socialism, which I agree with you is evil, whereas before you emphasized some kind of loyalty to Russia (why not Poland, for that matter, where at least as many American Jews came from). If it’s socialism, then it’s more anti-Russian, insofar as most Jews came here before the revolution, and the revolution overthrew the hated Czar–and the loyalty is more to a version of the Enlightenment that Jews, for explicable reasons, aligned themselves with a while back. So, it seems to me that your present explanation significantly downgrades the suggestion that Jews are driven to undermine America due to loyalty to another homeland, and I gladly withdraw my charge.

Sep 27, 2009 - 7:09 am 74. SunSword:

IMO — many in the USA who call themselves Jews are not Jews. They claim that once a Jew, always a Jew; being born a Jew makes one a Jew, being born of a Jewish mother makes one a Jew.

Well if that is true — why then of course a Jew might have any religious belief, or none at all. One could be born a Jew, convert to Buddhism, yet have children who are Jews, who convert to Native American shamanism, who have Jews as children. And of course have any political view at all.

Sep 27, 2009 - 8:20 am 75. shmu:

In that revealing interview last September with the great white hope Abu Mazen
he was asked the following question having to do with his short term in office: “There
are those who say America and Israel took advantage of your resignation as a pretext for
Israeli aggression against the Palestinian people, alleging that President Arafat brought
down your government”.
Abu Mazen: “Let’s say that there were three primary causes for the fall of my government.
Israel didn’t give a thing, the Americans dragged their heels and the Palestinians attacked me”.
About the last accusation he was right but the first two are other worldly. “Israel
didn’t give a thing?” This is the voice of the eternal embittered beggar who thinks the world
owes him a living because the world was unfair to him. For such as Abu Mazen and
Arafat and all of them, there is this notion that everyone has to give them money because
they are the eternally crucified victims of the demonic Jews.
Israel gave nothing. In 1993, Israel reversed 28 years of refusing to talk with Abu
Mazen’s Fatah-gang. Israel had handed over thousands of square kilometers of territory
to Fatah and played a role in getting the world community to send Fatah, disguised as the
PA, hundreds of millions of dollars,
Arafat had been to the White House again and again, yet here is Mahmoud
Abbas feeling empty, ever bereft. Israel gave nothing, that is why his government
collapsed.
In a nutshell this character Abbas, bloody Arafat’s right hand man for decades, is
no more equipped for leadership in the style the West is looking for than Arafat was, and
so this expectation that Abu Mazen is the man of the hour will also fail.
That interview was published on September 27th, and in response to today’s
interview with Al-Sharq al-Awsat, the head of Hamas outside the country, the suave
butcher of men Khaled Maashal replied that Hamas would end attacks like yesterday’s,
indeed all attacks only with a Palestinian consensus – whatever that means. How do you
really measure such a thing in a society that does not have democratic elections by secret
ballot?
At what point, one wonders, after more than a decade beyond the recognition of
the Fatah killers as legitimate players on the political stage of history, is the world going
to admit to itself that the entire enterprise called Oslo and Beyond is as futile as trying to
square the circle.
What the Enlightened fantasize about is a world that does not exist and will not
exist for the distant, wholly unknowable future.
For the present, the Arabs are simply incapable of becoming the people the
Enlightened want them to be.
In any case, all of this peace-making by all these parties – not just Israel and the
Arabs in Yesha but the Quartet powers, the UN organization, and the European Union,
just about the whole world – is a wicked escape from the necessity of not cooking up
new social and political arrangements, but judging the conflict in terms of right and
wrong, judging the strife between two claimants to a piece of property to which one side
has the better case by far.
Rather than engaging in all this social engineering, this trying to solve the puzzle
of a political Rubik’s cube, and how to match the security interests of Israel and the
rights of the ancient victims of Zionism, why not judge the contesting claims and pass
judgment that one wins, and the other loses.
And the reason for that refusal by the world is the fear of siding with the Jews,
the perennial scapegoat, the hated bearer of the guilt of man’s worst crimes.

You know, last week was the tenth anniversary of the awarding of the Nobel
Prize for Peace to the Evil One Arafat and his co-workers in iniquity, the Communist
raised Rabin and pseudo-intellectual Marxist fool Shimon Peres, and David Horovitz, the
new editor of JPost took the trouble to seek out the Nobel peace prize committee
members for their reactions. Not surprisingly, he found most of them with no regrets
over having given their prize to the Evil One who presided over the mass murder of
more than 1,000 Jews since they gave him that prize, and that they believed the prime
factor in the collapse of the Oslo peace process was not the scores upon scores of
massacres of Jews but the one assassination of Yitzhak Rabin. Surely these are antiJews,
men who think like that. What they are saying is that it was the fault of one religious Jew
and the ideology he represented. That is why there is no peace. It is not the fault of the
more than 100 suicide bombings and thousands and thousands of shooting incidents,
every one directed at civilians in attempted murder.
And while I’m at it, how did it happen that the Scandinavians set themselves up
as the judges on the Mt Olympus of Western morality? The Swedes, who though
officially neutral during World War II, were active allies of the Nazis.
The Norwegians? With their Quisling for a leader and junior quislings among
them who supported him?
How has the world come to look up to them as judges of political morality
between the nations? I think it is just because they’re descendants of Vikings, all blond
and aristocratically tall and slender, and when old enough to sit on the peace prize
committee they have heads of silver and white hair. I mean, other than that, what have
they done to earn the right to pass judgment?
After a decade they view as no mistake their horrible decision to give that slime
Arafat a prize for peace, and indeed, if the process for which he was awarded is now
dead, the fault lies not with Arafat and his underlings, like Barghouti and his Tanzim
marksmen, and Arafat’s own Al Aqsa Martyrs suicide club, but with one Jew, one
Orthodox Jew who opposed their Olympian decision to bestow upon that bloodthirsty
vampire their ignoble prize for peace.
In fairness to the Nobel Committee of 1994 that today stands by its wicked
decision, so does Oslo’s prime mover Shimon Peres who, Gil Hoffman in JPost reported
on Friday, joked with journalists in the Knesset cafeteria and told them that he has no
regrets about Oslo. “There are enough people saying that I made a mistake with Oslo, so
why should I? It doesn’t matter whether I think I deserve the prize. It’s not my decision.”
This is a statesman? This may be a statesman in the eyes of the Enlightened. In
mine, he is no model of virtue as Jews have understood that term for thousands of years.
It is no crime to have been wrong in one’s thinking about most things. Life is a
series, at least mine is, of making one mistake after another.
But in the case of Oslo, Peres’ was not an honest, human mistake by a man like
all of us, humanly fallible. Oslo was more than a miscalculation, it was a moral evil. Who
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gave Shimon Peres or Rabin or Beilin or the Nobel committee the right to cleanse this
evil man of satanic crimes against not only the Jewish people but mankind as a whole?
Kissing Arafat on the cheek? I suppose Peres has to go to his grave with his selfdefense.
It’s either that or owning up to it and committing suicide under the unbearable
guilt, G-d forbid.

Sep 27, 2009 - 10:25 am 76. Moho:

Most American Jews want the US to tilt more toward the Palestinians, you knob. The outrage is probably directed at idiots like you, who prefer a permanent state of war to a solution.

Sep 27, 2009 - 10:42 am 77. quesnay:

For those of you who would like to understand Secular American Jewry’s loyalty to the Democratic Party and liberalism, Norman Podhoretz recently wrote a brilliant book on just that subject called “Why are Jews Liberal”? Great stuff.

Sep 27, 2009 - 11:52 am 78. genghis:

MOHO:

You are a total A-hole. Do you just make up this crap when the crack wears off? Either you are the most misinformed twit in the Western hemisphere, or you’ve never recovered from the trauma of vaginal delivery. I’m not sure whether or not you have any living friends or confidants, but I would hazzard a guess that you are a loner, with very limitted social abilities who spends his time playing computer games. Before you respond, I suggest that you take a good long look in the mirror, flush the drugs down the toilet, take a bath, shave, if you’re old enough for that, and go the the library. Bottom line, of all the contributors to this site, yoiu are by far the most immaculate putz.

Sep 27, 2009 - 1:30 pm 79. rbell:

78: Yah I think you’ve summed up MOHO quite nicely. He and Mathew make a nice pair. But I think it is a toss up as to who is the most hateful bomb throwing degenerate. Both are suffering from the trauma of an undeveloped childhood, mixed with drugs and a mind not capable of coherent thought.

Some may feel you are being crude and ugly in your comments. But the truth is sometimes just that, especially when you are referring to MOHO. Unlike you I would not waste perfectly clean water by suggesting MOHO take a bath. He is just trying to save the planet.

Sep 27, 2009 - 6:18 pm 80. Matthew:

rbell:

“He and Mathew make a nice pair. But I think it is a toss up as to who is the most hateful bomb throwing degenerate”

Care to explain how I qualify as a hateful, bomb-throwing degenerate? Is that really the best you’ve got?

Bohemond:

“This is a factually-challenged assertion. Israel has not founded new settlements nor expanded existing ones in years”

*blink*

I’m sorry? Isn’t the current argument with obama about israel wanting to keep expanding existing settlements? Also …

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7136984.stm
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL3140883420080331
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Law/Legal+Issues+and+Rulings/Summary+of+Opinion+Concerning+Unauthorized+Outposts+-+Talya+Sason+Adv.htm

“And I would suggest that the construction of the existing settlements was ‘ok’ not because of racism, but because the previous owner, Jordan, launched a war of annihilation against Israel and lost”

So let’s get this straight: Your position is that if country A invades country B (even if it’s in self defense), then the individuals living in the area that A occupies automatically forfeit all legal rights to property. Those people have the choice of leaving the area (uncompensated), or living as displaced non-citizens. The state is free to allocate their land to citizens of country A without legal recourse. Have I got that basically right? Is so, are you suggesting that’s the basis for the east jerusalem and west bank settlements?

Have a read:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/954967.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/964843.html

““Taken by force” is a real weasel-wording of the events of 1967: are you suggesting that East Prussia should be cleansed of Polish “settlers” and returned to its German “legal owners?””

If the dispute was ongoing, then yes. Or the property lost by individuals should be compensated.

Sep 28, 2009 - 12:54 am 81. oldguy:

The Jewish left still thinks travelling in boxcars is travelling first class.

Sep 29, 2009 - 4:05 pm 82. anonymous:

I see this as a very good reason to support the resident.

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