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		<title>By: Pajamas Media &#187; ACORN&#8217;s Latest Lawbreaking</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-arent-the-feds-using-rico-to-go-after-acorn/comment-page-3/#comment-394904</link>
		<dc:creator>Pajamas Media &#187; ACORN&#8217;s Latest Lawbreaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] October of last year I asked why the Department of Justice had not yet instituted RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pajamas Media » ACORN Linked to Illegal Aid for Obama Campaign</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pajamas Media » ACORN Linked to Illegal Aid for Obama Campaign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8212; that I&#8217;ve been surprised at the federal government&#8217;s failure to institute a RICO prosecution of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vasio</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-arent-the-feds-using-rico-to-go-after-acorn/comment-page-3/#comment-138021</link>
		<dc:creator>Vasio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RICO... that&#039;s usually done towards or used to shake down organized crime.  Usually Mafia or affiliation to Organized crime.  Individuals who muscle money from business owners in return they provide &quot;protection&quot;.  Goodness, you guys come up with anything?  R.I.C.C.O?  That&#039;s actually funny.  I am curious to know the actually Racketeering that took place?  The actual accusation is forgery?  R.I.C.C.O has no cohesion to forgery.  Forgery is almost like identity theft.  

That&#039;s like saying ACORN is a Mafia family.  They took the Omerta...to register people to vote.  LOL!!!

Really funny stuff, actually entertaining.  Let&#039;s let this one go, it&#039;s practically silly.  

That&#039;s like saying Let&#039;s get R.I.C.C.O charges on Disney.  It&#039;s led by Mickey the Mouse, and the Capo is Donald the Duck.  Mickey has a lovely Goumada name Minnie the Mouse.  Don&#039;t forget the Enforcer Goofy.  

It&#039;s silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RICO&#8230; that&#8217;s usually done towards or used to shake down organized crime.  Usually Mafia or affiliation to Organized crime.  Individuals who muscle money from business owners in return they provide &#8220;protection&#8221;.  Goodness, you guys come up with anything?  R.I.C.C.O?  That&#8217;s actually funny.  I am curious to know the actually Racketeering that took place?  The actual accusation is forgery?  R.I.C.C.O has no cohesion to forgery.  Forgery is almost like identity theft.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s like saying ACORN is a Mafia family.  They took the Omerta&#8230;to register people to vote.  LOL!!!</p>
<p>Really funny stuff, actually entertaining.  Let&#8217;s let this one go, it&#8217;s practically silly.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s like saying Let&#8217;s get R.I.C.C.O charges on Disney.  It&#8217;s led by Mickey the Mouse, and the Capo is Donald the Duck.  Mickey has a lovely Goumada name Minnie the Mouse.  Don&#8217;t forget the Enforcer Goofy.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Road Sassy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Welcome to Obama&#8217;s AmeriKKKa : Praise Obama or be Silenced</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-arent-the-feds-using-rico-to-go-after-acorn/comment-page-3/#comment-136932</link>
		<dc:creator>Road Sassy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Welcome to Obama&#8217;s AmeriKKKa : Praise Obama or be Silenced</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because there is NO evidence


same as no evidence Ayers bombed anything.</description>
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<p>same as no evidence Ayers bombed anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Why Aren’t the Feds Using RICO to Go After ACORN? : The Liberty Tree Lantern</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-arent-the-feds-using-rico-to-go-after-acorn/comment-page-3/#comment-134813</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Aren’t the Feds Using RICO to Go After ACORN? : The Liberty Tree Lantern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why Aren&#039;t the Feds Using RICO to Go After ACORN?  Ummm...because they can&#039;t, at least not with what you are alleging.  I&#039;m not exactly sure what it is that you think makes a RICO case, but this doesn&#039;t come close.  First of all it&#039;s all the same basic felony here, allegations of election fraud.  Trying to make the peripheral stuff separate felonies is a stretch.  This just doesn&#039;t fall under the design of racketeering charges.  You&#039;re losing sight of the fact that RICO was created to go after vast organizations considered to be &#039;continuing criminal enterprises.&#039;  I know that you think ACORN qualifies, I realize that you think they fit the bill of organized crime, but the Feds aren&#039;t going to waste their time with such mickey mouse crap like this.  They simply aren&#039;t as big or as important as you seem to think they are.  Even if the peripheral (methods of achieving the alleged election frauds, again it really would be a stretch to consider these felonies separate from violations of federal election statutes) stuff could be considered separate predicate acts, ACORN just doesn&#039;t rise to the level of importance reserved for RICO.  A bunch of workers filled out obviously bogus forms for pay.  It seems hard to believe that most of this was an actual full scale attempt to rig an election.  

I know I would have people screaming at me for saying this but consider: 1. if a person is registered 72 times they can still only vote once. 2. if a ten year old registers they won&#039;t be able to vote unless a fake ID was made and if they were going to do that why would they register the ten year old to begin with rather than just use a fake name? 3. If Donald Duck registers Donald Duck would have to show up and vote.  Now what poll worker is going let someone claiming to be Donald Duck vote?  In most of these cases I tend to believe that it was either pranks or workers looking for extra salary bonuses simply because I doubt any organization would be stupid enough to think any of these tactics would somehow be rationally capable of being turned into spurious votes.  I will say that I firmly believe ACORN left themselves open to this outcome and they purposefully ignored their internal vulnerabilities and did little to nothing to safeguard against such risks.   

My only point with all of that was not to create a huge argument but to simply point out that no matter how much you all hate ACORN the Feds simply aren&#039;t looking at them as the big threat you think they are.  This case just isn&#039;t what RICO is used for.  Beyond that, the irony is that you truly fail to grasp what you are arguing for.  You want these people punished, immediately, swift absolute justice and I am guessing you want the ball rolling in the next few days to perhaps influence the election.  Well RICO would definitely be the wrong way to go to achieve those ends.  Do you have any idea how long it takes to build a successful RICO case?  First of all it takes a long, long, painfully long time to piece together a case.  We are talking about a very complex and excruciatingly detailed legal process, far more so than normal.  And that&#039;s just to build the case because the second problem is that you are talking about federal prosecution.  You don&#039;t even want to know how long it can sometimes take to get a case into and through the federal courts.  Let&#039;s put it this way, if they began a RICO case right now on ACORN, they might get to verdict just before Obama started the last year...of his second term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why Aren&#8217;t the Feds Using RICO to Go After ACORN?  Ummm&#8230;because they can&#8217;t, at least not with what you are alleging.  I&#8217;m not exactly sure what it is that you think makes a RICO case, but this doesn&#8217;t come close.  First of all it&#8217;s all the same basic felony here, allegations of election fraud.  Trying to make the peripheral stuff separate felonies is a stretch.  This just doesn&#8217;t fall under the design of racketeering charges.  You&#8217;re losing sight of the fact that RICO was created to go after vast organizations considered to be &#8216;continuing criminal enterprises.&#8217;  I know that you think ACORN qualifies, I realize that you think they fit the bill of organized crime, but the Feds aren&#8217;t going to waste their time with such mickey mouse crap like this.  They simply aren&#8217;t as big or as important as you seem to think they are.  Even if the peripheral (methods of achieving the alleged election frauds, again it really would be a stretch to consider these felonies separate from violations of federal election statutes) stuff could be considered separate predicate acts, ACORN just doesn&#8217;t rise to the level of importance reserved for RICO.  A bunch of workers filled out obviously bogus forms for pay.  It seems hard to believe that most of this was an actual full scale attempt to rig an election.  </p>
<p>I know I would have people screaming at me for saying this but consider: 1. if a person is registered 72 times they can still only vote once. 2. if a ten year old registers they won&#8217;t be able to vote unless a fake ID was made and if they were going to do that why would they register the ten year old to begin with rather than just use a fake name? 3. If Donald Duck registers Donald Duck would have to show up and vote.  Now what poll worker is going let someone claiming to be Donald Duck vote?  In most of these cases I tend to believe that it was either pranks or workers looking for extra salary bonuses simply because I doubt any organization would be stupid enough to think any of these tactics would somehow be rationally capable of being turned into spurious votes.  I will say that I firmly believe ACORN left themselves open to this outcome and they purposefully ignored their internal vulnerabilities and did little to nothing to safeguard against such risks.   </p>
<p>My only point with all of that was not to create a huge argument but to simply point out that no matter how much you all hate ACORN the Feds simply aren&#8217;t looking at them as the big threat you think they are.  This case just isn&#8217;t what RICO is used for.  Beyond that, the irony is that you truly fail to grasp what you are arguing for.  You want these people punished, immediately, swift absolute justice and I am guessing you want the ball rolling in the next few days to perhaps influence the election.  Well RICO would definitely be the wrong way to go to achieve those ends.  Do you have any idea how long it takes to build a successful RICO case?  First of all it takes a long, long, painfully long time to piece together a case.  We are talking about a very complex and excruciatingly detailed legal process, far more so than normal.  And that&#8217;s just to build the case because the second problem is that you are talking about federal prosecution.  You don&#8217;t even want to know how long it can sometimes take to get a case into and through the federal courts.  Let&#8217;s put it this way, if they began a RICO case right now on ACORN, they might get to verdict just before Obama started the last year&#8230;of his second term.</p>
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		<title>By: Why Aren’t the Feds Using RICO to Go After ACORN? &#171; NetRight Nation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Aren’t the Feds Using RICO to Go After ACORN? &#171; NetRight Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why Aren’t the Feds Using RICO to Go After&#160;ACORN? From Clarice Feldman: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: squiddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>squiddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all part-and-parcel of the Democratic game plan that&#039;s been underway since, well, the last election cycle.  Many on the left have convinced themselves that W &quot;stole&quot; the last two elections, by hacked voting machines, by Diebold machines deliberately flipping votes and/or underreporting them, by suppression of  minority votes, organized stealing/shredding ballots, etc, etc.  

While it may seem harmless, it&#039;s been obvious (to me, anyway), that these conspiracy theorists have used this to justify their own &quot;make up the vote&quot; campaign over the last couple of years - especially in Ohio, and Florida - it&#039;s only fair, they say, considering the &quot;theft&quot; of the last two elections.  (I have family members who are part of the fascist-left, move-on/Daily Kos crowd, so I&#039;ve heard plenty on the subject from them.)

As far as ACORN goes, save the patronizing attitudes, you know we all get that phony registrations aren&#039;t the same as phony votes.  But that&#039;s a bit like saying you&#039;re not guilty of burglary, because you only broke into the house, but haven&#039;t stolen anything yet.    

The question is, how many of those phony registrations will actually attempt to vote?  0?  100,000?  

If I wanted to, I&#039;d have little difficulty in voting 20 or 30 times in the next election.  This, of course, would require me to register 20 or 30 times first.  Multiply &quot;me&quot; by 5,000 other people in my state, I think we could swing an election.   

In any event, ACORN acts as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Democratic party, and should *not* receive taxpayer funding, and given their demonstrated ineffectiveness and corruption, shouldn&#039;t be allowed to register anyone.  I guarantee you that their registration efforts are completely partisan in nature and focus, and spends 100% of their time attempting to register likely Democratic voters; you&#039;re simply not going to find them doing registrations at, say, a military base.  

If it&#039;s determined that there&#039;s an organized conspiracy among *any* group to dilute legitimate votes, by false votes, paid-for votes, ineligible votes, or deliberately miscounting votes, then if RICO doesn&#039;t apply, then Civil Rights laws should -- on the order of 300 million counts of Conspiring to Violate Civil Rights, one count per citizen.  

Start convicting people on charges like *that*, with similarly terrifying prison sentences / fines, I think we&#039;ll get this in order quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all part-and-parcel of the Democratic game plan that&#8217;s been underway since, well, the last election cycle.  Many on the left have convinced themselves that W &#8220;stole&#8221; the last two elections, by hacked voting machines, by Diebold machines deliberately flipping votes and/or underreporting them, by suppression of  minority votes, organized stealing/shredding ballots, etc, etc.  </p>
<p>While it may seem harmless, it&#8217;s been obvious (to me, anyway), that these conspiracy theorists have used this to justify their own &#8220;make up the vote&#8221; campaign over the last couple of years &#8211; especially in Ohio, and Florida &#8211; it&#8217;s only fair, they say, considering the &#8220;theft&#8221; of the last two elections.  (I have family members who are part of the fascist-left, move-on/Daily Kos crowd, so I&#8217;ve heard plenty on the subject from them.)</p>
<p>As far as ACORN goes, save the patronizing attitudes, you know we all get that phony registrations aren&#8217;t the same as phony votes.  But that&#8217;s a bit like saying you&#8217;re not guilty of burglary, because you only broke into the house, but haven&#8217;t stolen anything yet.    </p>
<p>The question is, how many of those phony registrations will actually attempt to vote?  0?  100,000?  </p>
<p>If I wanted to, I&#8217;d have little difficulty in voting 20 or 30 times in the next election.  This, of course, would require me to register 20 or 30 times first.  Multiply &#8220;me&#8221; by 5,000 other people in my state, I think we could swing an election.   </p>
<p>In any event, ACORN acts as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Democratic party, and should *not* receive taxpayer funding, and given their demonstrated ineffectiveness and corruption, shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to register anyone.  I guarantee you that their registration efforts are completely partisan in nature and focus, and spends 100% of their time attempting to register likely Democratic voters; you&#8217;re simply not going to find them doing registrations at, say, a military base.  </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s determined that there&#8217;s an organized conspiracy among *any* group to dilute legitimate votes, by false votes, paid-for votes, ineligible votes, or deliberately miscounting votes, then if RICO doesn&#8217;t apply, then Civil Rights laws should &#8212; on the order of 300 million counts of Conspiring to Violate Civil Rights, one count per citizen.  </p>
<p>Start convicting people on charges like *that*, with similarly terrifying prison sentences / fines, I think we&#8217;ll get this in order quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: clarice</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, it is,morningsider. Thanks for catching my mistake.</description>
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