Why Britain Should Never Have Banned Geert Wilders
No one even pretends that a person expressing views similar to Wilders' with regard to Christianity or Judaism would be banned from entering the UK. (Also read Phyllis Chesler: Free Speech Under Siege in Britain, Canada, America, and India.)
The proper response to these threats would have been for the government to put measures in place to ensure Wilders’ safety, and to deal firmly with anyone who attempted to cause trouble. However, as this government has proved time and again, faced with the prospect of lawlessness, it prefers to take the easy way out by eliminating all risk of an offense being committed rather than dealing with criminals. So, for example, in response to growing alcohol-related violence on Britain’s streets, the government proposes not to deal more forcefully with the troublemakers, but to ban “happy hours” and other drinks promotions. Everyone is to be punished for the behavior of an unruly minority, because the government has calculated that this is cheaper and easier than enforcing the existing laws of the land: why pay for all those policemen, courts, and prisons when you can simply proscribe any activity which carries with it the potential for trouble?
Because a few young people can’t handle their drink everyone has to suffer, and because Muslims can’t stomach a free discussion about the way in which their beliefs are used to justify mass murder, others must lose their right to free speech and freedom of association. And so Wilders — the presumed target of the violence — is punished rather than those threatening the violence. It’s the ultimate manifestation of the nanny state: we’ll all live happier and healthier lives if you just keep your mouth shut.
No one even pretends that a person expressing views similar to Wilders’ with regard to Christianity or Judaism would be banned from entering the UK. That’s because the people who might take issue with such sentiments tend to write angry letters, rather than blowing themselves up on buses. While the government has banned some of the more outrageous purveyors of Islamist ideology, others, such as Hezbollah spokesman Ibrahim Mousawi, have been allowed to enter Britain. And Lord Ahmed himself has, in the past, had no problem with inviting extremists to speak at the House of Lords — just so long as they’re his kind of extremist.
Meanwhile, on the streets of London and elsewhere, radical Muslims routinely call for Jews and British soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan to be murdered, while the once respected British bobby stands there twiddling his thumbs. The double standard is clear and the implications for free speech and other liberties are chilling: If you threaten violence, you will be appeased. If you call attention to extremism, you will be silenced. If you practice tolerance, you will be trampled on. As Mark Steyn writes, two decades on, Britain seems to have learned nothing from the Salman Rushdie affair.
The country that exported democracy to much of the world has given up the fight to preserve its own freedoms, and the manner of its capitulation should serve as a warning to American and other civilized nations. And anyone who thinks Britain’s demise is not their problem should bear in mind that the UK remains a base from which Muslim terrorists continue to plot attacks on the U.S. and other countries.
No amount of feigned outrage by Muslim leaders will change the fact that Islam is the only religion in the name of which hundreds of people are murdered, jailed, and tortured every day in dozens of countries around the world. Pretending otherwise undermines the moderate Muslims who are the West’s best hope for combating the extremists, and kicks the problem down the road for the next generation to deal with.
There’s nothing wrong with shouting “Fire!” in a crowded theater if rows A through F are already ablaze.
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1. Keith W. Brown:Sadly, the Brits have long ago turned into intellectual cowards. The PC line has been totally adopted there along with hostility to anything American, Christian or from the “West.” England has lost their own heritage as there are currently more functioning mosques in the UK than churches.
And no one will lift a finger to change this cultural degredation in England. Queen Victoria surely is doing flips in her grave…
Feb 14, 2009 - 12:23 am 2. zeb:Alas Britain is no more. The signs were really there …with that pathetic performance of members of the British Navy with the Iranian thugs. That humiliating performance said it all. That once a mighty nation comes to this and joins the ranks of the likes of Saudi Arabia and the rest of those fat Arabs in the gulf is really tragic for the British people and to all freedom loving people.
Feb 14, 2009 - 1:18 am 3. njcommuter:The problem with enforcing the law isn’t really the pounds sterling; it’s that someone has to actually say “you’ve done something bad and we will punish you for it.”
That makes a Liberal’s head explode.
Feb 14, 2009 - 3:34 am 4. Meryl:Those of us who have been saying that England was already lost to Islam had not concluded that because of some hysterical perspective or because of some magical insight: we simply believed what the Muslims have said about themselves and their goals, and saw that their history confirmed what they said.
We are the same people who are not hysterically surprised at what the POTUS has done to the United States of America in his first 30 days in office. We simply believed what he said about his thoughts, his goals and believed what his history indicated about him (whether he wanted to acknowledge it or not).
Liberty loving people really need to get over thinking that being nice and giving everybody else far more credit for being nice than they deserve is going to inherently have a good outcome.
Liberty loving people really need to start believing what those who despise liberty are saying about their plans against us and their hatred toward us.
Feb 14, 2009 - 3:56 am 5. Eric R.:The reason that the Brits banned Wilders is usually laid to cowardice or left-wing equivocation over right and wrong. They both contributed, but at its core, the reason for this political and moral act of suicide is the very same force that has caused Europe to basically commit suicide for the last 100 years — pure, unadulterated, Nazi genocidal Jew-hatred.
The Brits, like most Europeans, think everything is the fault of the Joooooooos. They genuinely believe that achieving Hitler’s Judenrein world will solve all problems. Reality and facts do not matter to the Brits or to other Europeans — be they old Europe or “new” Europe.
After the first Shoah, they no longer wish to conduct the extermination themselves, but will gladly prostrate themselves to the new Nazis, the Islamo-Nazis, to finish the job.
This is why they bow and scrape to their new Islamonazi overlords — because they both see the Jew as the total, ultimate evil. And anybody, such as Geert Wilders who dares to expose this bigoted, racist, fraud must be silenced.
Feb 14, 2009 - 5:02 am 6. Lynn:Thank Jacqui Smith for this latest assault on Freedom of Speech. Other Western women to thank for the insult of wearing hijab are Calmey-Rey and Pelosi. While Muslim women fight for their rights and are imprisoned and tortured, these women just keep appeasing the oppressors. Lord Ahmed should be jailed for threatening violence against other citizens. He called the suppression of free speech a “victory for Islam”. Says it all.
Feb 14, 2009 - 5:34 am 7. Brian Williamson:I am British and I can assure you that we as well as the commentators on this page are disgusted by Jackboot Smith’s pathetic cave in to the militant ingrates we call immigrants. In todays Times, once called the Thunderer, a Muslim commentator is suggesting that we, the majority who’s ancestors reach back to Saxon times should be the one’s who go, leaving Britain to the brown skinned Muslims. What is disgusing is that the Times will not allow my rebuttal on the page. Is that caving in or what? However to return to my original premise, the vast majority are totally fed up, we’ve had it up to here and rumblings of dissent are being made.
Feb 14, 2009 - 5:41 am 8. T. J. Babson:It all goes back to the lessons learned from WWII. The U.S. learned that a small war sooner is better than a big war later. Europe concluded that all wars are bad and that nothing is worth fighting for.
Sadly, the U.S. seems to be moving in Europe’s direction.
Feb 14, 2009 - 5:47 am 9. DonJoe:They Have Banned Geert Wilders, but will they ban these sites? He largely plagiarized the following;
These sites contain most of Wilder’s film’s content. There is no “cut away”, fade away, music, etc… when the Islamist behead their victims on this site. Just the Bare Naked Truth!
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/about/
For more statistics on “Islam; The Religion of Peace”, go to:
http://thereligionofpeace.com/
For Insight as to the future of the world. I suggest you read:
Psalm 37, 83 Ezekiel Chapters 34-39
For behold, Your enemies make a tumult; And those who hate You have lifted up their head. They have taken crafty counsel against Your people, And consulted together against Your sheltered ones.
Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them. (Isaiah 42:9)
This what IS happening, as well as, what Is going to happen,
Believe it or not!
GOD laughs at our opinions.
Remember the former things of old, For I [am] God, and [there is] no other; [I am] God, and [there is] none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times [things] that are not [yet] done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’
(Isaiah 46:9-10)
Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I am [He].
Feb 14, 2009 - 7:12 am 10. fellow:Jesus, (John 13:19)
You guys are nothing but a bunch of idiots. RACIST BASTARDS
Feb 14, 2009 - 7:36 am 11. huxley:Mike McNally — Thanks for describing the contents of Fitna. Many people who haven’t might otherwise assume that the film is a vicious polemic against Islam.
I hear from a UK friend that British citizens, papers, and even the BBC see this as a freedom of speech issue. He believes that the UK and Europe in general are moving towards a tipping point against Muslims’ pressure against European society.
Feb 14, 2009 - 7:44 am 12. Floradora:Brian Williamson: I am compelled to say I feel from my heart for you and your fellow Brits. I am so very saddened to see what’s happened to your beautiful country..your culture, your heritage. I am so beyond outraged at what is happening, at the hands of elected officials, not only in your country, but ours as well. I pray for you and hope the tide does turn. I know the USA is only a decade or so behind, but will follow in those same footsteps until and unless the citizens revolt and say ENOUGH.
Feb 14, 2009 - 7:48 am 13. Floradora:#10 fellow:
Why is this so, please explain. Idiots because free speech is compromised to accomodate Islam extremists….lest they “protest” (ie. assemble in violence and rage burning cars, buildings and assaulting ppl)? Is that what you mean? Hmm?
Or is it because we are “racists” (gotta love that overused word, huh?) because we DARE to speak up for what our own eyes and ears see? Love your rationale.
Or…is it because you are throwing out the only attack you can in situations like this? You: “I have no leg to stand on here to counter attack, so let me reach into my talking point grab bag and pull out….”racist!!”? You guys need to come up with something better. It’s really stale, old and lost its impact LONG ago.
Feb 14, 2009 - 7:55 am 14. Mary Jackson:Good article. I notice that notorious anti-Semite Le Pen is allowed to come in to a BNP meeting.
Wilders himself has been to England – he had lunch at the House of Lords in December. So the government obviously caved in response to a specific threat.
Feb 14, 2009 - 9:07 am 15. deguello:FELLOW: I suggest your take your syphillis medication, it’s clear your VD has gone tertiary.
Feb 14, 2009 - 12:11 pm 16. deguello:MARY JACKSON: Mary dear,have you measured yourself for a Burkha yet? You appeasing idiot!
Feb 14, 2009 - 12:13 pm 17. Morton Doodslag:The significance of Lord Ahmed’s threat to mobilize 10,000 Muslims to blockade Parliament is great in my opinion. According to their vile religion, the founder of Islam marched on Mecca to exterminate the Jews and claim it for Islam — and he did so, according to Muslim sources, with exactly 10,000 Muslims at his side. Ahmed’s threat was genocidal code-speak for the edification of his millions of fascist brethren. I’m certain most Muslims understood him fully. At least the Jews of Mecca put up a fight — the UK folded at light speed with barely a peep. Disgusting cowardice surpassing that of Chamberalain — after all — the enemy isn’t at their gate — he’s already at their throat, and fully infiltrating every organ of government like a spreading cancer.
Feb 14, 2009 - 12:20 pm 18. Donna V.:Brian Williamson wrote:
In todays Times, once called the Thunderer, a Muslim commentator is suggesting that we, the majority who’s ancestors reach back to Saxon times should be the one’s who go, leaving Britain to the brown skinned Muslims.
My jaw dropped when I read that.
Mary Jackson, I can understand your desire to defend your country on PJM. But it’s stories like this one which make many of us who are not Anglophobic and have visited and enjoyed Britain believe you’re not holding up very well over there, despite your reassurances that all is fine and dandy and reports of Britain’s impending demise are exaggerated.
Feb 14, 2009 - 12:45 pm 19. Meryl:I wish I could attribute it to the specific book…can’t see the rest of my notes….but I’m going to give you the quote from the prayer of a member of the Muslim clergy in Jerusalem:
“Ah, Allah, destroy America for it is controlled by Zionist Jews….Allah will avenge in the name of his prophet the colonialist settlers, who are the descendants of monkeys and pigs…’
Muslim clergy further said that “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith.” (In other words, their plan is to be dominant)
Further “The Koran should be the highest authority in America and Islam the only accepted religion on earth…”
Like the materials included in Wilders’ film, these words are not quotes from outsiders or “attacks on Islam” by someone else.
These are the things they themselves say about themselves and their intentions.
Just like watching and listening to bambi….it would save a whole lot of time if we just dare to believe what they themselves are actually saying.
Feb 14, 2009 - 1:02 pm 20. WR Jonas:I love analogies for they can illustrate a situation that would take hundreds of words to describe.
Feb 14, 2009 - 1:58 pm 21. DoubleTapper:For example , I have been told that when a ship is sailing in dangerous northern waters one often sees small chunks of ice floating in the water long before the very large ice bergs are seen. So it is in Great Britains society. The disturbing incidents and outrageous muslim behavior are precursors to a much greater menace looming just out of sight ahead.
In their hearts the people instinctively know this. Yet their culture has woven some flaws into their justice systems which prevents any realistic correction to the danger. Muslims depend on that fact since their numerical presence is considerably less than anglos.
It is a dilemma that will grow intolerably worse.
Wilders is right and the Brits are losing their country to the hordes of Muslims that are invading and occupying the UK.
All he did was post this, the truth!
DoubleTapper
Feb 14, 2009 - 2:31 pm 22. jonesy55:DoubleTapper@gmail.com
DoubleTapper, blogging on Guns Politics Defense from Israel
“England has lost their own heritage as there are currently more functioning mosques in the UK than churches.”
By all means have a discussion of the issue but why is there a need to resort to such obviously blatant lies such as this, I don’t understand.
Feb 14, 2009 - 3:16 pm 23. jonesy55:“The reason that the Brits banned Wilders is usually laid to cowardice or left-wing equivocation over right and wrong. They both contributed, but at its core, the reason for this political and moral act of suicide is the very same force that has caused Europe to basically commit suicide for the last 100 years — pure, unadulterated, Nazi genocidal Jew-hatred.
The Brits, like most Europeans, think everything is the fault of the Joooooooos. They genuinely believe that achieving Hitler’s Judenrein world will solve all problems. Reality and facts do not matter to the Brits or to other Europeans — be they old Europe or “new” Europe. ”
lol, Eric, are you actually insane??? This is about as far removed from the reality of the situation as it is possible to get. Do you genuinely think that the idea of a ‘Judenrein world solving all problems’ has ever actually even passed through the mind of the vast majority of people in Britain (or Europe in general)?
I can say from my experience of living here that it is not an idea that I have ever heard anybody (not one person) express or support, it just isn’t remotely a concern of people here.
Feb 14, 2009 - 3:21 pm 24. Blackwell:Another series of “Beat Up The Brits” postings I see. We have Zeb focusing on the sensible surrender of a few sailors as proof of Britain’s decline: with all respect Zeb, that’s about as misguided as writing off the US after the surrender of the USS Pueblo, the botched rescue of hostages under Jimmy Carter or leaving vietnam.
I am not british and have no british relatives etc to color my views and thik Jaqui Smith has been a problem from day one. But . . .
The Brits have a lot of muslim citizens, many newly acquired. Unlike the US they don’t have 300 million people and as much space to absorb them. But unlike France, which shunted their muslims off in areas where few french go, the Brits have sensibly undertaken to try hard to assimilate them, which is the only sensible thing they can do. That’s the shrewd thing to do since one day and soon, the number of BritMuslims will increase. The increased number will be voting and looking for jobs. Assimilation may be a bit rockier than expected; the Brits may be more accomodating than we might be on some issues, but they are trying, and for the most part doing well. And what’s the alternative? (don’t say “expell them”–the US hasn’t expelled anyone but Elian Gonzalez)
We are lucky in the US that our major immigration–legal or illegal–is from a country with people who blend pretty well, even if they have some crazy “reclaim California” types. No one worries that Hispanic soldiers are seething against the US in a country where Martinez and Gonzalez are about as normal as Bush and Smith. The UK isn’t so lucky, but they are making very sensible steps to deal with the situation they inherited from years of uncontrolled immigration. We should wish them well for every obvious reason: their loss would be our loss. They are also taking steps to control the immigration as they should.
And we ought to watch closely for another reason: the US for some inexplicable reason, insists on taking immigrants from Solmalia and other countries that will pose the same problems for us as years unfold. They already are in Minnesota (the cabdrivers that refused to pick up passengers with seeing eye dogs or alcohol), Harvard (which has a women only” time now at some gyms). Stop cackling at the Brits for doing the sensible things they need to do and wish them well for doing the civilized things they need to do and we need to evaluate.
Last, while Wilders may be right about some things, he ought to be paying attention to his homeland and leave the UK alone. Holland, Norway and other places have a bigger problem and running off to the UK to grandstand and inflame some of their people would hardly help anyone.
Feb 14, 2009 - 3:29 pm 25. Mary Jackson:Eh? How is it appeasing to to say “the government obviously caved in response to a specific threat.” They did, and I have condemned them in the strongest possible terms at my blog (click on my name for details).
What I won’t do is dance on our grave. I leave that to some of the more moronic Americans posting here.
Feb 14, 2009 - 5:04 pm 26. Suley:Kneel, Britania, Britania kneel and cave
Britains royal sun is setting, none left to save
Feb 14, 2009 - 6:04 pm 27. kynna:Mary Jackson: ” Eh? How is it appeasing to to say “the government obviously caved in response to a specific threat.” They did, and I have condemned them in the strongest possible terms at my blog (click on my name for details).
What I won’t do is dance on our grave. I leave that to some of the more moronic Americans posting here.”
Mary, I don’t see much dancing. What I see is a lot of mourning.
Feb 14, 2009 - 9:04 pm 28. Zoe Brain:If threats of violence work, then threats of violence is what they shall have. This must be nipped in the bud before it becomes endemic. I fear it may be too late.
Feb 14, 2009 - 9:28 pm 29. David C.:And, as usual, it’s those who are least violent who will suffer the consequences.
I can see people who would never dream of being associated with the odious BNP marching with them in future, and in reaction, moderate muslims will be forced to radicalise too.
njcommuter wrote:
“The problem with enforcing the law … [is] that someone has to actually say ‘you’ve done something bad and we will punish you for it.’
“That makes a Liberal’s head explode.”
Actually, a liberal has no problem saying “You’ve done something bad”. It’s simply that, in a liberal’s view, the only “bad” thing a person can ever do is express criticism of or opposition to liberal policies and philosophy. That, the liberal is only too happy to punish.
Feb 14, 2009 - 9:34 pm 30. Toads:I have no sympathy for those who will not fight for themselves, or stand up to bullying.
Britain was lost long ago. What remains now is not worth being sentimental about.
Next to go : Canada.
Feb 14, 2009 - 10:08 pm 31. Adolf Wilhelm von Hohenzollern:Third time lucky. Many thanks to our Muslim allies.
Feb 14, 2009 - 10:24 pm 32. Vadept:Ok, I just have to say that as someone who HAS seen Fitna, there are some legitmate grievances against it.
The first half is just as you describe: Displaying footage of terrorist attacks, with passages from the Koran and clips of islamic leaders vociferously approving these attacks. This sort of thing needs to be exposed and condemned, and I applaud Fitna and Geert for this.
The second half raises the fears of a demographic shift in europe, describing an influx of islamic immigrants and then raising the spectre of an islamic Netherlands. This part bothers me: What does Mr. Wilders expect us to do? Kick them all out? Ban all further muslims from entering the Netherlands?
Blaming Islam for terrorism is like blaming Catholicism for the IRA bombings. Yes, there are alot of jerk muslim extremists out there, but many muslims have stood by America, appreciated our efforts, and work towards a better world. There’s nothing at all wrong with a well-educated Turkish guy wanting to live in the Netherlands, who is perfectly willing to learn the language and “become Dutch,” but this bothers Geert for some reason. This is the same man who felt that Turkey should not be part of the EU because it was muslim. I’d rather have Turkey in the EU than Greece, frankly. I dislike the idea that we need to stamp out an entire faith. I’d rather just stamp out terrorism, thank you very much.
So yes, there is some “hate” in Fitna and in Geert Wilder’s words. This is no reason to ban him, however, no reason to ban his works. Whether you agree or disagree with the man, he has the right to speak. Britain will leap to the defense of imam’s who call for the death of infidels, but then ban a man who raises doubts over letting muslims into Europe. That’s just messed up, and a sad, sad sign that “multi-cultural tolerance” has gone utterly crazy, when you start picking and choosing who you “tolerate.”
Feb 14, 2009 - 10:33 pm 33. David Govett:Britain should have kept the RAF on the ground in 1940. At least they would have been conquered by relatives.
Feb 14, 2009 - 11:15 pm 34. James Just:So when is the Christian West going to officially define the enemy and where does western civilization draw the battle lines against the Muslim enemy? You cannot square the adjective ‘moderate Muslim’ since that is a western concept only, with the verb ‘Jihad’ because ‘Jihad’ is central to Islamic doctrine-the Koran, which is the Muslim book of the Art of War. The Muslims seem to be winning because they have the western leftists to pussyfoot for them.
Feb 14, 2009 - 11:48 pm 35. Infidel753:Not since Munich and Hitler has a British government caved in so completely to the demands of extremists.
Don’t forget what followed the Munich capitulation: the Poland ultimatum, Churchill, the Battle of Britain, and the “finest hour”.
A single act of cravenness, however disgusting, is very far removed from a “demise” of the country. There are many people in Britain who are furious at their government’s appeasement of the Muslims (and kowtowing to the EU).
Britain is better judged by the performance of its troops in Iraq and Afghanistan (it was one of the few countries to send substantial numbers to fight alongside ours) than by that single incident with the Iranians.
There’s fight in the old bulldog yet.
Feb 15, 2009 - 12:09 am 36. Infidel753:What does Mr. Wilders expect us to do? Kick them all out? Ban all further muslims from entering the Netherlands?
What would be objectionable about the latter, or even about the former in cases where the Muslims in question do not hold Dutch citizenship? Isn’t every sovereign state entitled to regulate immigration as it sees fit?
Feb 15, 2009 - 12:54 am 37. Jeb:He is an odious man, but it is more odious to muzzle or expel him.
Feb 15, 2009 - 2:45 am 38. gboisjo:And for you people who write about moderate Islam coming to the rescue. Wake up and grow some b-lls. That ain’t gonna happen. These people are coming after you with there base ideology and no muslim is going to fight your fight. Islam is your enemy and you must take a stand against this scurge as a Christian and a jew. Take Geert Wilders lead and don’t talk about moderate Muslims. It reeks of fear and timidity.
Feb 15, 2009 - 3:46 am 39. windy blow:Not everyone in Britain thinks that Islam is a good idea, and not everyone wants to see the tribal hatreds and misogynistic ways of the muslims imported into these islands. Sharia really is bad news for civilisation the world over.
Yes, we were wrong to ban Wilders: a man who does not argue for death the way so many muslim “preachers” are allowed to do. Yes, we are ashamed, but we are not quite beaten down yet, despite having without doubt the worst, most venal and craven government ever in the history of these islands. NuLab do all this because they want votes, and we must sacrifice freedom for their continued lust for socialist power.
And as for people like the buffoon Fellows earlier, this is not racism. Islam is, supposedly, a religion: anyone can join it (though why any sane person would want to be part of a religion that hangs gays, beheads people who ‘oppose’ it and seeks to curtail everything about women other than them being mindless child-bearing slaves is beyond me).
Above all we have to stop screaming racism when it is nothing to do with race and everything to do with freedom of speech. Remember, the one thing that Islam seeks before subjugating everyone to its vicious ways is to end free speech and thus deny democracy.
Feb 15, 2009 - 3:50 am 40. Mr. Z:I do not agree with the “immigration policies” of any Western country that allows muslim colonists to come and live. The “elites” say the muslim colonists are harmless and no threat to thr values and freedom of western society, but the facts and truth are quite different. Importing islam is importing trouble.
Would it have seemed wise – in hindsight – to import into the UK, Canada, USA, Austraila et al millions of National Socialists during the decades of the 1930s in the hope that our values would have a moderating influence on facsim?
Feb 15, 2009 - 3:56 am 41. Bill Chad:I think Milliband’s phrase or excuse for keeping out Wilders, is pretty telling: ‘we won’t allow people to shout ‘fire’…in a crowded cinema’. (Obviously meaning some idiot screaming ‘fire’ when there isn’t one) (Although I personally think that 99% of people who shout ‘fire’ actually do it because there is a fire)
The phrase itself, apart from it being a strange analogy to make in this particular instance, is in itself a nervous phrase which implies fear, and if looked at a little more closely it could be bordering on anxiety.
The phrase implies quiet a lot of fear and a train of thought that includes ‘panic’ ‘death’ ’self preservation’ and ‘confusion’.
Now you could say that the above is making a little too much out of a simple analogy, and if you have that view, all good and well, but I don’t.
I say this because this phrase was well thought threw; it came a good 24 hours after the initial refusal of Wilders entry to GB, and had obviously been given some consideration, so it wasn’t ‘off the top of the head’ so to speak…
This phrase as said above is a ‘telling’ phrase, and it does imply that the Government of the UK panicked when confronted with what decision to make about Geert Wilders film, and whether to allow him into the Country. It does show that the UK Government do sub-consciously know that they have created a tinder box situation, they do know that from within i.e..in the cinema, an explosion ‘fire’ could breakout at any moment, they do know that the panic confusion and chaos that would ensue would be uncontrollable…they also know that what they used to avoid, has now turned into, what they now must evade. Due to this self created situation, they now have very nearly placed themselves in a position of checkmate, and one of the only obvious moves that they can make is one of appeasement.
Feb 15, 2009 - 4:29 am 42. Steve McNally:Appeasement isn’t a bad word, if it avoids hand to hand combat on the streets of Britain, then I’m all for it. But it does imply cowardice, and cowardice by its very nature strengthens (for want of a better word) the enemy.
Subjugate the controllable (the white Anglo-Saxon British) appease the uncontrollable (the ideological Muslims)
Greetings all from Helmand Province, Afghanistan, where I’ve just got into camp for a few days and got on-line to find another fantastic piece by my beloved twin brother Mike. He continues to make me incredibly proud; he is the pen to my sword…
Feb 15, 2009 - 4:35 am 43. Wolla Dalbo:So Mr. Williamson says that “rumblings of dissent are being made” among the British people.
That just about sums it up, doesn’t it? “Rumblings of dissent,” where there should be a violent avalanche of protest and tens of thousands of Brits in the streets, taking them back, and marching on Parliament to protest their “leaders” destruction of free speech and subservience to Muslims. But I guess it’s best to close the door, turn up the telly and brew another pot of tea.
Feb 15, 2009 - 4:50 am 44. Meryl:Steve McNally! I suspect your brother is just as proud of his twin, with good reason.
Feb 15, 2009 - 5:31 am 45. TC@LeatherPenguin:“Blaming Islam for terrorism is like blaming Catholicism for the IRA bombings. ”
That’s the most ridiculous analogy I have ever seen. The IRA did not justify their bombing sprees on the Bible.
Feb 15, 2009 - 5:50 am 46. Charles:Only tyrants ban freedom of expression. No matter what one thinks of Wilders, or anyone else for that matter, the freedom to speak should never be banned.
The best thing about freedom of speech is that it makes it easier to spot the idiots.
Feb 15, 2009 - 6:34 am 47. PhilMB:In discussing our families emigration from the UK to the US back in the ’50’s, my Father told me: “The Allies won the battles of WWII, but the National Socialists are winning the war!” He worked in one of the governments Ministries and saw the writing on the wall.
I dare say the present government would have sanctioned and silenced Sir Winston, based on his comments: “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.”
Lord Ahmed should have been called out on the floor of the Lords for his incitements and threats; it is apparent he has little knowledge of the scholarship of discussion, or understanding of the society he is a member of.
For shame, Gordon Brown, for shame, Britannia.
Feb 15, 2009 - 7:06 am 48. Ricardo:“Blaming Islam for terrorism is like blaming Catholicism for the IRA bombings”
LOL!!! In short NO IT ISN’T.
That statement is another variant of the “we are all just humans” morally relativistic drivel that passes as wisdom in “bien pensant” circles. Although emotionally appealing it ignores the specific teachings of the Koran and absurdly coflates local Irish tribal affiliations with Biblical teachings It doesn’t stand to a moment’s scrutiny.
Islam specifically divides the world into Dar al Islam(house of peace) and Dar al H’arb (house of war). Furthermore it is quite specific in delineating the duty of every muslim to fight the infidel. Their struggle is universal and worldwide. The “peaceful Turk” living in Europe is, in fact, going against his scriptures. That is why it is so difficult to find moderate muslims to speak up against terrorism. The minute the debate starts they get picked apart by their opponents quoting the Koran. So, no, it’s not a few bad apple muslims ruining it for the rest, it’s those following the Koran.
The Bible does not instruct to kill unbelievers. The bible says nothing of Ireland. The Irish terrorists do not justify their actions on some passage of the scripture. Their goals are not religious, they are nationalistic.
“That’s just messed up, and a sad, sad sign that “multi-cultural tolerance” has gone utterly crazy, when you start picking and choosing who you “tolerate.””
Feb 15, 2009 - 7:27 am 49. Still Bill:That is the ultimate logical failure of “multiculturalism”, in the end, you have to choose. You tolerate those who will debate you. You don’t tolerate those who threaten to kill you and want to shut off debate. At some point you do have to say, these are the rules of the game, and if you break them, you go.
Unfortunately, Great Britain has not learned the lesson that Neville Chamberain taught them when he was humiliated by Hitler. Islam, in my opinion in its present form, is not a religion but a totalitarian political movement whose goal is to rule the world. If someone prays to Allah five times a day, and then straps a bomb around his or her waist so he or she can murder as many innocent people as possible in a restaurant or market, that savage is not doing anything religious, that savage is a cold-blooded murderer. If there are any so-called “moderate” Muslims in this world, they are either too few or too cowardly to open their gutless mouths when lunatic savages murder people in the name of Allah. I happen to be a Christian, and I know one thing for sure: if I went to Saudi Arabia and wanted to attend Christian services somewhere in that country, I would not be able to do so, and I would probably be jailed and deported.
Feb 15, 2009 - 7:58 am 50. IOpian:What is truly Orwellian about this whole episode is that in rejecting the showing of this movie ( the words of muslims and verses of the Koran ) because it is hateful the government is doing symbolically what it ought to be doing in reality; making a stand against this imported hatred, consequences be damned. If not now, when?
Feb 15, 2009 - 7:58 am 51. Paul A'Barge:Here’s Keith Vaz.
Feb 15, 2009 - 7:59 am 52. Paul A'Barge:Um, before you Brit mutts start pooping your pants over your freedoms, maybe you should, um you know like, actually codify those freedoms.
Tell us again why Britain (and Canada for that matter) have no equivalent of the First Amendment?
Then tell us again why we should feel sorry for you wankers?
You have a legislative body. Make them legislate.
Feb 15, 2009 - 8:01 am 53. Lynn:# 10 fellow
Feb 15, 2009 - 9:39 am 54. Bahoonies:I said nothing “racist”. My post was absolutely within the confines of justice and freedom. Any Western woman who puts on a hijab to appease dictators or tyrants is justifying the oppression of women. Any person who threatens violence to achieve his goal, Lord Ahmed (appointed and not elected, should be brought up on charges. I think, since it is well within British Law, someone should file a complaint and sue his a** off. His “victory for Islam” statement is backfiring.
Vadept comment no.32 “Blaming Islam for terrorism is like blaming Catholicism for the IRA bombings.” You really don’t know what you’re talking about. Islam IS responsible for terrorism. Islamic extremists have been shouting this from the rooftops for years and we don’t listen to them. What else do they have to do to grab our attention? They destroyed your Twin Towers but that doesn’t seem to be enough proof for you. So they have campaigns of killings and bombings in London, Glasgow Airport, Madrid, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Beslan, Mumbai, Bali, the Philippines,Riyadh and Al Khobar in Saudi Arabia etc. Notice a link between these places? They are worldwide and each atrocity was committed by muslims.
Now please, before you go saying that these animals are just a small minority who are misguided and are misinterpreting Islam, pause for a minute. There are thousands and thousands of them and they are using the very clear teachings of the Koran to justify their barbarous actions. These teachings are as valid to them as when first put down 1400 years ago. Since then Islam has had the stated aim of spreading across the world and being the only religion. As the Koran is the word of their god, they can’t ever be changed.
Islam is not a religion. It is a theocratic ideology which recognises no law other than sharia. You would not want to live under sharia law. Islam is not a religion of peace. It is intolerant of other religions. The Koran preaches intolerance of non-muslims. It permits slavery. It permits killing of non-muslims in pursuit of its goals. It is anti-semitic in the most vile manner. It allows muslims to lie to hide the truth of their intentions from non-muslims. But if you criticise Islam, you are told that you are misinterpreting it. Just like the Islamic terrorists I suppose. Hogwash.
The fact is that the very courageous Geert Wilders is telling us the truth about Islam and he’s using the words of the Koran together with the actions of muslims to show us the truth. As a result of his message to the free world he has been subjected to death threats and you can bet they don’t come from Jews or Christians of Atheists.
I note your comment about Fitna displaying “footage of terrorist attacks, with passages from the Koran and clips of islamic leaders vociferously approving these attacks.” You said Islamic Leaders!! This is the reality of Islam. Now I suggest you go and read the Koran. Discover for yourself how violent its teachings are. Find out how many references to jihad mean the inner struggle and how many mean physical violence and murder. Find out about the duality of Islam whereby the later violent verses of the Koran abrogate the earlier peaceful teachings. While you’re at it you may as well find out about the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in secular Turkey. It might help you understand what bothers Geert Wilders so much that he took his courage in both hands and spoke out against Islam and the teachings of the Koran – not against muslims.
You might not like the idea of stamping out an entire faith but that is exactly what Islam has planned for your faith if you don’t wake up.
Feb 15, 2009 - 1:04 pm 55. Eric R.:Jonesy:
lol, Eric, are you actually insane???
No, but you seem to be blind, deaf and dumb.
Feb 15, 2009 - 1:46 pm 56. Simon Synett:Please visit http://www.squidoo.com/Hamas-terrorist-group to see a delightful collection of peaceful Islamic teachings. Feel free to add a comment and spread the word. Thanks DoubleTapper for the link to the film.
Remember, power struggles are usually won by the side that’s more organised. The internet gives us the power to turn those “rumblings of dissent” into an “avalanche of protest”. Just got to concentrate all those little individual voices into one place and then get organised.
Feb 15, 2009 - 3:07 pm 57. rob:That “double standard”—“If you threaten violence, you will be appeased. If you call attention to extremism, you will be silenced. If you practice tolerance, you will be trampled on”—is just one of the many self-loathing attitudes shown by most Western governments, mainstream media, and academics, but our sorry pligh couldn’t be better summed up than by McNally’s words. And I suppose we must be grateful to him for taking the civic courage to conclude his argument with these words: “The country that exported democracy to much of the world has given up the fight to preserve its own freedoms […].”
Feb 15, 2009 - 3:47 pm 58. Bilgeman:#39 windy blow:
“Yes, we are ashamed, but we are not quite beaten down yet, despite having without doubt the worst, most venal and craven government ever in the history of these islands.”
Yep, and I saw this coming when they prosecuted my chum Lionheart.
So, for all your talk…when will Luton start burning?
Feb 15, 2009 - 6:04 pm 59. Jonesy55:“Jonesy:
lol, Eric, are you actually insane???
No, but you seem to be blind, deaf and dumb.”
Not guilty on all counts. seriously, your comment #5 is just nuts.
Feb 16, 2009 - 2:18 am 60. rvastar:Precisely. And those Muslims are going to lose…badly.
You want to know what in store for Britain’s – correct that, Europe’s – future? Just watch the movie “Children of Men”…you’ll get a very precise picture.
Britain – meaning Anglo-Saxon Britain – isn’t going anywhere. What’s going to disappear are Leftist politics and political correctness, along with political parties like Labour. They will be replaced by the BNPs and Front Nationals of Europe. It’s just like I’ve repeatedly warned: the Left’s moral vacuity and cowardice will eventually lead to such disastrous consequences for Western nations that it will give rise to the ascension of the Far Right.
IOW: the Left is actively working to bring about what it fears most…now, it’s only a matter of time. And I think we’re going to see it within the span of 20 years.
Feb 16, 2009 - 9:35 am 61. willis:“What I won’t do is dance on our grave. I leave that to some of the more moronic Americans posting here.”
It won’t be us, the moronic Americans, dancing on your graves Mary dear. Think about that statement just a little more.
Feb 16, 2009 - 12:10 pm 62. Sylvie:To 7 Brian Williamson – You say “rumblings of dissent are being made” but what ACTIONS are you ready to take that you so blithely allow those foreign feet walk along England’s pastures green …..
Feb 16, 2009 - 12:55 pm 63. windy blow:Bilgeman: I don’t know when Luton will burn, or Bradford or Oldham or any of the places in the UK infested with muslims. I am not sure what will tip this whole thing over the edge, but tip it will.
Our problem is porous borders (cost savings, getting rid of security at ports, building the chunnel and removing the barriers to the rabble flooding in for the free benefits) so I imagine the hordes will be able to get their hands on lots of cheap AK47s when the time comes and mayhem will ensue.
On the other hand a lot of those weapons will end up in non-muslim hands I imagine.
There is also a problem of organization. The muslims cling to their own enclaves and preen each other with their hatreds and plots and I do not know of a comparable “native” organization to counter it. But this is not just the Anglo-Saxons problem: I believe the Sikhs and Hindus and a lot of Afro-Caribbeans as well as Jewish people aren’t much in love with islam either.
It may get messy all of a sudden, but goodness knows when. Maybe it will be another bomb attack. I hope not, but the muslims may well find themselves reaping what they have diligently sown.
Feb 16, 2009 - 2:41 pm 64. Bilgeman:#63 windy blow:
“But this is not just the Anglo-Saxons problem: I believe the Sikhs and Hindus and a lot of Afro-Caribbeans as well as Jewish people aren’t much in love with islam either.”
One would imagine that such a rallying point would be The Queen. She is after all, Defender of the Realm.
And a Royal invitation to Geert Wilders would set Lord Wog Ahmed and his PC cronies back an innings or two.
Seeing as how the Islamists and the PC gang are mostly anti-monarchical, I don’t see where Windsor would stand much to lose, and might save a kingdom.
I think all it might take is some balls on the part of Buckingham Place to galvanize the British into remembering what painted the globe pink in the first place…and then 10,000 wretched beggars rioting in Yorkshire and East Anglia would assume it’s proper perspective.
We know that Betsy has a “pair”…she did drive ambulances through the worst of the Blitz.
She’s shown the sand before, is she too old to reach down deep again?
(God help you lot if you need to rely on Charles, although he might yet surprise us).
“On the other hand a lot of those weapons will end up in non-muslim hands I imagine.”
Yeah…bummer about that.
“Gun control” seems like a great idea, until the rioters are 20 minutes away from your squat.
Ask the dummies of Los Angeles who learned about their 21 business day “waiting period” the hard way during the riots in 1992.
Feb 16, 2009 - 3:30 pm 65. Oscar the Grump:Bilgeman,
Feb 18, 2009 - 1:31 pm 66. Bilgeman:Those dummies in Los Angeles went on a gun buying spree after the riots. Since then, I’m sure they learned how to use them. A repetition of those riots would be a bloody affair because both sides are armed to the teeth.
#65 O the G:
“Since then, I’m sure they learned how to use them. A repetition of those riots would be a bloody affair because both sides are armed to the teeth.”
Well good. Better a war than a massacre.
Feb 18, 2009 - 5:20 pm 67. GWdefender:Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. (Thomas Jefferson)
Don’t forGeert Wilders!
Stop talking, start acting.
Isn’t Geert’s freedom worth a stamp?
If Geert Wilders falls, then Freedom of speech is dead in Europe. We are launching an extensive International Action SITA including two possible texts ; one comparing Wilders and Winston Churchill and another Wilders and Charlie Chaplin:
http://sitamnesty.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/i-support-democrat-geert-winston-wilders-against-islamic-fascism-and-its-dhimmis
http://sitamnesty.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/i-support-democrat-geert-charlie-wilders-against-islamic-fascism
To support Geert Wilders and our dearly acquired freedoms please participate to the 2 suggested actions and transmit this message to your friends owners of a website in order they publish it.
An other way to support Geert Wilders is to give some money. To donate: http://www.geertwilders.nl
Feb 23, 2009 - 3:10 am 68. saxon:with the current insanity of all three main stream partys, i have no choice but to vote bnp cause no one els is offering a solution to the islamic problem.
Feb 28, 2009 - 9:57 am 69. Alan:the three main partys ignore the growing english anger at there own peril !!.
heres some numbers to think about.
uk total population approx 70 million
muslims approx 2 million
polish approx 1 million
so even if you were to reduce the native anglo citizens to 50 million.
if there is to be a rude awakening in old england its likley to be muslims who have more to worry about.
in my opinion the three main partys are all guilty of treason.
I have written three blog posts about this incident, and have just received 3 replies from MPs and Euro MPs forwarded to me from other bloggers. If anyone else has a reply from their MP yet, please also forward to me. I will update the page as more information comes in. It also has links to other blogs and youtube videos of MPs defending and supporting the decision.
Mar 9, 2009 - 7:59 amhttp://www.digitaltoast.co.uk/britain-capitulates-to-terror-geert-wilders-banned-and-held-at-heathrow