Why Hillary Won’t Give Up
No longer simply a question of grabbing for the power and the glory, Hillary Clinton continues to push herself with one eye on the present and another on history.
It is true that Hillary Clinton doesn’t have much of a chance to wrest the nomination from Barack Obama whose tally of superdelegates continues to grow daily, thus bringing him ever closer to victory.
It is also true that Hillary Clinton will probably not be offered the vice presidency even if she wants it.
So if she can’t win and she won’t be picked as a running mate, what is driving Hillary Clinton to spend 20 hour days on the campaign trail and push herself to the physical and mental limit of her abilities; to exhaust herself in a what almost everyone tells her is a futile and doomed effort?
In a word, history.
So much is made of the historic nature of Obama’s breakthrough candidacy with regard to race that we tend to forget or at least downplay the fact that what Hillary Clinton has accomplished to this point would have been impossible thirty years ago.
For all the talk of “glass ceilings” and “old boys networks” — and there are still significant barriers to professional women who seek power and influence in the political and corporate world — Hillary Clinton’s candidacy has shattered a few of those ceilings as she has elbowed her way into the oldest and most male of all networks: serious consideration for the most powerful office on the planet.
So she bows her neck and keeps charging not so much because she still has a slim chance at the nomination, but because she feels an obligation to the millions of women who are out there now and who will follow in her footsteps. She is still in it for the shining faces of teenage girls who look back at her from the audience and who see beyond the dream of becoming president and can now taste the reality of it. She is in it for the seniors who she cultivates so assiduously and who see in her perhaps a culmination of all their hopes and dreams that never materialized in their lifetime because of the barriers that Hillary has now smashed to pieces, never to be erected again.
This is not a quest for the nomination as much as it is the road to a validation of her place in history. One can hardly fault her for trying to keep faith with the millions who see her as a living icon and a harbinger of things to come. For that reason, she may decide to stay in the race until the last primary has been held so that every woman who believes in her and, more importantly, what she represents, can be heard.
Clinton’s victory in West Virginia last night was expected as was her lopsided margin. A couple of striking numbers from the exit polls: West Virginians thought it important that Bill Clinton campaign with Hillary by a 61-35 margin. Clearly, the former president is an asset in reaching out to the white, blue-collar Democrats who continue to reject the idea that Mr. Obama is the better candidate. Hillary won every income group for those making less than $75,000 by 3-1 margins.
And West Virginia isn’t just one of those red states that Democrats never win anyway. As a border state, it is being targeted by the DNC, and Republicans have struggled in recent elections to win there. Bush barely won the state in 2000 and Kerry was competitive until the final weeks in 2004. In 1996, Bill Clinton easily defeated Bob Dole 51-35%. The Obama camp and his supporters may be heartily sick of hearing that their candidate does poorly with white working class voters, but in states like West Virginia and Kentucky, which holds its primary next week, it means the difference between winning and losing.
One other troubling number for Democrats from the exits was in the percentage of Hillary voters in West Virginia who say they will vote for John McCain in the fall rather than Obama. Fully 27% of respondents said they would vote Republican before voting for the probable Democratic nominee.
How real are those threats? History says it’s pretty much all talk and that after the convention the Democrats will be one big happy family again and go on to slaughter the Republicans in the fall. But frankly, trying to predict anything at this point given all the unknowns about having a black man running for president should give all the conventional wisdom freaks out there pause to reflect. Certainly that 27% will shrink, but by how much is anyone’s guess.
It’s on to Kentucky next week where Clinton will once again be outspent substantially by her opponent. With 70% of West Virginia Democrats saying they want the race to go on and only 24% wanting Clinton to drop out now, Hillary doesn’t need a lot of money to continue her campaign. All she needs are her legions of supporters marching down the long, winding road leading away from the darkness and into the light, in the hope that her history-making efforts inspire future generations of women to fulfill their own destinies.
Rick Moran is PJM Chicago editor; his own blog is Right Wing Nut House.
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63 Comments
1. Believer:What the heck are you serving up here, Rick Moran?
Smells like Mother’s Day leftovers to me. Too much time on Sunday with goofy, liberal women?
May 14, 2008 - 12:45 am 2. Tony:“So she bows her neck and keeps charging….because she feels an obligation to the millions of women who are out there now and who will follow in her footsteps.”
I think thats wrong. Hillary Clinton really does only appear to be interested only in Hillary Clinton. I suspect that if she could grow a penis to improve her chances of election to POTUS she wouldn’t hesitate for a second.
She may be using the “I’m a woman and this is for the future of women” mantra in her campaign but thats all it is – a useful tool to help her on her way.
May 14, 2008 - 1:40 am 3. Ed Wallis:Clinton wins by around 30% in West Virginia.
But she “can’t win.”
She does it due to “history.”
Only in a closed-minded thread can an open, yet closely contested Democratic Party campaign (one around 1750 vs. the other at around 1850, both shooting at around 2020), can one hear for the umpteenth time the wailing of, “it’s over, it’s over, it’s over, give up, give up, give up.”
How much are Soros and Kos paying for this mindless chorus chant?!
How about some news and informed opinion, folks?
May 14, 2008 - 1:56 am 4. John Samford:It is over. Shrillery has it in the bag. Ohhh….BAMA’s only chance was to control enough PLEDGED delegates out to win on the first ballot. He didn’t and now the Convention will be brokered. You children aren’t old enough to remember what happens at a brokered convention.
May 14, 2008 - 4:29 am 5. edh:I am and the only question is ‘what does Billery do with the body parts?’
After the first ballot, ALL delegates are released. That means they can vote for whomever they want to. That is when arm twisting and bribery come into play. In a party noted for it’s crooks and liers, are there two more prominent the Bill and Hill?
Both arm blackmail and bribery are protected by the 1st amendment when done by political parties at conventions, according to the Supreme Court. It’s that little word ‘expression’ that nobody except a Supreme can find in the Constitution.
No, the issue here will be how all the rabid moonbats and Obamanics will deal with getting raped by the RBC (Rules and Bylaws Committee).
Not sure if it will help the Republicans, who have been sucked into the black hole of the Bush Presidency, but it will be a hoot to watch Code Pink and ANSWER duke it out on the streets of Denver. What was that Doors song? Peacefrog?
I think HRC’s got her eye firmly on 2012, and she is already doing what she can to torpedo BHO, overtly now and (covertly) if he gets the nomination.
In 2011, toward the close of a one-term McCain administration, after the heavy lifting’s done in Iraq, she’ll say to Democrats, “See, I told ya’ so you coulda’ had a V-8.”
May 14, 2008 - 5:40 am 6. Chester White:Suppose Edwards throws his delegates to Hillary. It becomes a mighty close race then.
May 14, 2008 - 5:41 am 7. Diggs:“She is still in it for the shining faces of teenage girls…She is in it for the seniors…she may decide to stay in the race until the last primary has been held so that every woman who believes in her and, more importantly, what she represents, can be heard.”
May 14, 2008 - 5:41 am 8. joshua:Hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahah!
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Wipe tear from eye.
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She also gets to recoup all the amoney she loaned to her campaign if she doesn’t quit before the convention, thanks to McCain-Feingold.
May 14, 2008 - 5:44 am 9. Curly Smith:I’d don’t see Clinton’s staying in the race as a “validation of her place in history” or a fulfillment of her “obligation to women”. Instead, it’s just a testament to her being a tough, hard-nosed politician. She’s playing hardball with the super delegates, those highly-acclaimed individuals who will decide the Democratic nomination. She’s going to force them to decide, Clinton or Obama, and by doing so she’ll make them own the decision. The cries of “it’s over”, “get out Hillary”, “she can’t win”, etc are all efforts to keep the super delegates from having to make the decision and to avoid their responsibility.
Clinton knows that the super delegates will pick Obama. Clinton also knows that Obama will be soundly defeated in November. By forcing the super delegates to own the nomination, Clinton forces them to own the defeat. It’s a good hard-nosed strategy with no downside for Clinton.
May 14, 2008 - 5:47 am 10. Ernesto Suarez:I don’t think that Obama’s race per se is what really turns people off. What scares people away the most is the cult-like following of his blind supporters, the fear of having a president whom you can’t criticize without being called a racist, a bigot, etc; the fervor with which most of the MSM treats him. There are, of course, those shady details of his not-so-distant past, his shaky and questionable associations, his wife…Furthermore, there is the fact that most of his followers are hearing a different message from each other. They hear the general insperarional preaching theme of “change”, and basically stop listening. They then recreate this vague message in their minds into whatever they want it to mean: revolution, destruction of capitalism, revenge, violent struggle, rock and roll, emptiness. Show me two of his most blind and loyal supporters who can actually delineate Obama’s specific plans on specific issues. You won’t find them, and that is extremely dangerous. And perhaps what is scariest is the fact that people believe that it cannot happen here. I really hope they are right on that one.
May 14, 2008 - 6:02 am 11. Ernesto Suarez:The previous message should read “inspirational”…sorry, still having my morning coffee.
May 14, 2008 - 6:03 am 12. redneck hillbilly:West Virginia just told the country and the MSM how it is. The EMPEROR has no clothes. Kentucky is going to tell them the same thing next week. These elite bigots better get their latte in a styrofoam cup and hit the road.
May 14, 2008 - 6:06 am 13. John Samford:Curly, you forgot to explain why the Supers would pick Ohhhhhh…..BAMA. I’m sorry but I just don’t see where Ohhhh…..BAMA is going to get the 50 million votes it will take to occupy the White House. If everything goes perfectly and ALL those Billery voters come onboard and Billery works hard for Ohhhh….BAMA’s election maybe. Don’t hold your breath.
May 14, 2008 - 6:06 am 14. Nahanni:Meanwhile the other Democrat in the race, John McCain, does very well in the middle, where Presidential elections are decided.
So where are the 50 million Ohhhh…BAMA voters?
To steal a Bob Beckel line, “Where’s the beef?”
The supers also understand the McCain is a RINO. So no matter what happens a liberal is in the White House. Regardless of the label they are using.
The only real difference between the 3 some is that Ohhhh…..BAMA lacks the moral fiber to use nuclear weapons. That makes a nuclear attack on an American city ( New York is the most likely target) inevitable.
There is no wonder why the Obamaniac wing of the Democratic party and the MSM have been howling for Hillary to quit while trying to give everyone the impression that Obama has the nomination in the bag.
You see, they know that if she has not withdrawn by the time the convention rolls around that she will get the nomination.
Here is why…
1. Neither one can get the nomination on the first ballot without the superdelegates. Simply put Obama has not won jack, despite what he and the MSM say. There is no reason Hillary should withdraw, she will win the majority of the rest of the primaries.
2. Always bear in mind that sure the superdelegates can say who they are going to vote for until they are blue in the face. It means absolutely nothing because they can change their mind at any time. The only way you are going to truly know who they will vote for is when they actually cast their vote. Also remember that the superdelegates are not Joe Blow off the street, these are powerful people within the party-and for many of them power trumps ideology.
3. Can you say “credential fight”? You are going to see one and Obama stands to lose more delegates in a credential fight then Hillary does. For example all the delegates from the Texas caucuses will probably be tossed out-even the DNC admits that those caucuses were rigged and crooked. Most of those delegates are Obama delegates. You could end up with both Obama and Clinton pretty much tied for delegates by the time that is over.
3. Michigan and Florida-They will be seated. The Democrats in both of those states are pissed at the party because they have been “disenfranchised”. Donors in those states are asking for refunds, etc.. They will be seated because the Democrats can simply not afford to toss away 44 electoral votes and they know that if they don’t seat them they give those states to McCain due to the backlash.
4. Obama has steamer trunks crammed full of dirty laundry-stuff that makes “Rev.” Wright look mild and tame. What are the odds of that stuff staying buried for the next three months? Slim to none.
5. Obama is his own worst enemy. His second worst enemy is his wife. I can almost guarantee you both of them will say or do something exceptionally stupid before the convention rolls around which will serve to throw more gasoline on the fire.
6. By the time the convention rolls around it will be obvious to all except the Obamaniac wing of the party and MSNBC that nominating Obama would be an unmitigated disaster. The electoral college map would look like the one from 1984 and the internal polls will tell the party that Obama drags the whole ticket down.
7. Remember what I said about those superdelegates? The “only way you are going to truly know who they will vote for is when they actually cast their vote” and the “power trumps ideology” parts? They want to stay in power and have the chance at even more power from nice, juicy appointments. All of the Obama campaigns promises to them will mean nothing if he can’t get elected and if Hillary gets the nomination paybacks are going to be a bitch to those who voted for Obama.
8. Hillary will end up being the nominee. Paul Begula was right, they can not win with a coalition of eggheads (and the nutroots) and the blacks and in the end the party will decide that it is more important for them to win then to commit suicide in order to placate Al Sharpton and the rest of the race warriors.
May 14, 2008 - 6:10 am 15. dirigible:“but because she feels an obligation to the millions of women who are out there now and who will follow in her footsteps.”
This is an exceptionally bizarre reading of Hillary’s character. If she stands for anything, it’s rapacity and self-interest above all, even more so than the run-of-the-mill politician. As a feminist icon, she’s a dud – she only got where she is today by virtue of being someone’s wife, which is anathema to the feminist ideal.
May 14, 2008 - 6:11 am 16. Brian Turner:So that’s the way she’ll spin her legacy. Fighting to the end as a blazing example to women everywhere. OK go away loud, go away proud but just go away.
May 14, 2008 - 6:17 am 17. Gilligan:John Stamford has it right.
Once the first ballot is cast and nobody wins, ALL the delegates are up for grabs.
Do you think that the Clintons who once illegally obtained 900 FBI files have neglected to do the research on the delegates? I am not saying that all the delegates to the Democrat convention are having illicit sexual affairs, tapping their toes in airport mens rooms or engaging in illegal financial shenanigans, but I am saying that enough are doing such things that they will vote to make Hillary Clinton the Democrat Presidential candidate in 2008 in order to keep their wives, families and district attorneys from seeing the evidence that the Clintons have collected on them.
What? You thought the Clintons only did that sort of thing against Republicans?
May 14, 2008 - 6:20 am 18. Ameryx:Here’s a theory: Hillary is staying in the race for the same reason that the MSM is so keen to see her drop out. The MSM has been sitting on stories of the Clinton scandals for years now, afraid to publish them while the Clintons still dispose of enough power to exact revenge. The MSM plumps for Obama in order to remove the Clintons from that power.
There’s a lot of money to be made in writing tell-all books about the Clintons.
Similarly, the Clintons are keen to hang onto power precisely to stop the publication of scandal books by the MSM. That is why, even with the arithmetic firmly against them, they continue to run and run and run. They are just trying to delay the inevitable for as long as possible.
The Clintons stand to continue to rake in big bucks as long as they have credibility and power. That is why it is worth pouring $11M of their own money into a losing campaign.
May 14, 2008 - 6:21 am 19. Buford Gooch:Hillary Clinton, selfless worker for the glory of women! That might sell to her feminist base, but the rest of us ain’t buyin’.
May 14, 2008 - 6:55 am 20. Roger L Simon:Whether Hillary is battling for history or not may turn out be irrelevant. History is already on women’s side. There are now more women in law and medical school than men. In twenty years or so, women in the White House and the Congress should be pro forma.
May 14, 2008 - 7:18 am 21. BMoon:Rick is blowing some smoke today, and not only are we not buying, we are not inhaling
May 14, 2008 - 7:26 am 22. Chris:I’m more convinced than ever that this fight goes all the way. You’ve got the Dem’s split down the middle on gender vs. race. It was inevitable yet no one predicted it until a couple of months ago. Live by identity politics, well…
Why am I grudgingly starting to respect this person (Hillary)? Maybe it’s simply due to the lack of respect I feel for her opponent.
May 14, 2008 - 8:24 am 23. bc:Every time white America,(including Asians and many Latino’s) turn on their TV and see BO getting like 93% of the black vote, they say,”Uh, Oh, this guy can’t possibly be looking out for me.” It’s not fair, but it’s true.
May 14, 2008 - 8:57 am 24. Fat Man:I have to assume that Hillary and Bill know that Hillary will not be the 2008 Dem nominee. I also assume that Hillary does not want to be the VP, nor does Obama want her and her baggage and Bill and his baggage weighing down his train.
Then there is the little matter of the money. The Clintons have run up a lot of bills, including a very important one of $21 million owed to them. They also drained Hillary’s senate campaign fund.
Further, there is the Clinton endorsement. Obama must have it. He has accused Hillary of favoring McCain over himself. We wouldn’t want a little thing like money to cause a problem would we?
So, here is the deal. On June 4, after the last primary, Obama and Hillary hold a joint victory rally. Hill and Bill endorse Obama. The Obama campaign assumes, and promptly pays Hillary’s campaign debt, including that $21 million. Obama agrees that he will use the public financing in the general election, and that any surplus funds remaining after the Convention will be split between Obama and Clinton’s senatorial campaign funds.
See, there is a reason for Hillary to stay in the race.
May 14, 2008 - 9:03 am 25. Right Wing Nut House » WHY HILLARY WON’T GIVE UP:[...] A sample: [...]
May 14, 2008 - 9:06 am 26. Jim O'Sullivan:OMG. Your worst post ever. She’s not doing it gfr herself, but for all the women who will come behind her!! Oh, stop.
May 14, 2008 - 11:07 am 27. Cicero:I have found in this article very little useful information. The Author has clearly taste for “historical” rhetoric. The most interesting information is that: “one other troubling number for Democrats from the exits was in the percentage of Hillary voters in West Virginia who say they will vote for John McCain in the fall rather than Obama”. I imagine that Obama’s fans say the same. I am distant observer, but it may be an advantage. I would like to quote the words of a simple American, i.e. not Democrat or Republican, but a working man who doesn’t want his country destroyed by a political adventurer: “Real America is not going to elect a black radical to president”. With Hillary the Democratic Party had some hope to win. With Obama it has no hope. It’s not necessary to be a prophet to see it. Obama will probably (we can speak about human things only in terms of probability) get the nomination, but it will be suicide for the Democratic Party. A sane nation cannot elect as its head an individual like Obama who represents all dregs of American society: white Liberal-leftists, black radicals, and hashish smokers of all colours and so on. Every society produces human by-products like a biological body. It is normal. A problem consists if its quantity is tolerable or not. Only the General Elections can show it and not the political astrology of “analysts” that sell their “political horoscopes” to a naïve public.
May 14, 2008 - 11:13 am 28. Believer:Let this be a lesson to all you good, conservative men out there: when the women around you start handing out apples, don’t bite!
I’m counting on you guys to hang onto your sanity – and your pants.
Look what it’s done to the other democrat in the race.
He could be our first woman president.
May 14, 2008 - 11:46 am 29. Michel:To John Samford
What do you mean with “the Republicans, who have been sucked into the black hole of the Bush Presidency”? Is Bush Presidency “the black hole” because this great man had courage to make war against two absolutely criminal regimes? And what does “RINO” mean?
May 14, 2008 - 12:00 pm 30. curmudgeoninchief:Hillary has not broken any glass ceilings. She is a very special case. She is a former first lady whose ex-president husband still wants to participate in politics at the highest levels, and who ran for and won a Senate seat from a state she had never lived in, by dint of her husband’s influence.
May 14, 2008 - 12:48 pm 31. Olivia:When a female governor who has risen through the ranks and won her election on her own merits runs for and wins the nomination of her party, then we will see some glass ceilings fall. And she will probably be a Republican, anyway.
Curly Smith and Nahanni hit the nail on the head.
May 14, 2008 - 1:14 pm 32. Whosonfirst:And Obama definitely has some major “skeletons in his closet.”
Literally. We shall see how he handles the scandal.
Please! She’s stubborn, willful and she wants what she wants. But unlike most other adults, she thinks if she wants it she’s entitled to have it.
It isn’t any more complicated than that and all the rest is just claptrap.
May 14, 2008 - 1:17 pm 33. MB:“…what Hillary Clinton has accomplished to this point would have been impossible thirty years ago…”
You think? Twenty years ago it wouldn’t have been impossible, or even difficult. There was a substantial movement in the Republican Party to draft Jeanne Kirkpatrick in 1988, but in the end she declined. There may have been some people looking at her in ‘80 as well, but I don’t remember any specifics. Some female heads of state have always been popular with Americans, e.g., Margaret Thacher, Golda Meir.
I don’t think gender or race is a conclusive factor in the general U.S. population, particularly in the party formed to end slavery. I’ll bet a large majority of Republicans and conservatives would love to have a Clarence Thomas as president, and most moderate Republicans (whatever that means) would support a Colin Powell. A lot of people wished for, and would still like Condi Rice on the ticket, although it appears that she doesn’t want to lower herself to the level of the mud pit. (This speaks well for her, I suppose.)
May 14, 2008 - 1:32 pm 34. Daedalus:Like others who have posted earlier, I disagree that Hillary is interested in her place in history. She is craving raw power and will keep at it until she drops dead or Obama self inflicts a fatal wound, and hands her the nomination. She believes the Presidency is hers to have and nothing, including an upstart, wet behind the ears Chicago politician is going to stop her.
May 14, 2008 - 1:44 pm 35. Denny, Alaska:“Get out *NOW* Hillary!”
Just imagine how shrill that statement would be if she’d lost WV.
Dems: ya gotta love such wrong-headedness.
May 14, 2008 - 2:34 pm 36. always right:How can you say that with a straight face?
Next thing you’ll say is both Clintons will donate millions of their own money to help the poor children.
Huh?
May 14, 2008 - 2:47 pm 37. Belisario:I am not Hilary’s supporter, but she is a true warrior. I admire this Valkyrie. She deserves the place in the sacred abode of the divine heroes. Obama’s place is in the Hell of cowards and liars.
May 14, 2008 - 3:19 pm 38. pc:The next headline will be Obama looses to
May 14, 2008 - 3:30 pm 39. Believer:McCain. Edwards what are you thinking?????
Obama talks about the insiders, all the
insiders are for him.As a Democrat I will
never vote Obama. DON’T TRUST HIM……
If you want to throw up, head over to “redstate.com”
In the far right column, hit: “Obama will preen and eat waffles…”
Don’t miss the second video. This guy is really lame.
May 14, 2008 - 4:05 pm 40. Jvette:she’s in because she knows that the democratic nominee is going to win in NOv. There’s is no chance for McCain and she is hoping that something will happen to derail Obama so badly they will have no choice but go with her. Face it there will be a Dem in the WH in Jan. and she wants it to be her. This is her shot. There won’t be another, even if, by some miracle McCain wins, she won’t run in 2010.
why has not one pundit remarked on the fact that so many of her own party were so quick to jump from her ship to his?
May 14, 2008 - 10:31 pm 41. John Samford:Michel:
May 14, 2008 - 10:49 pm 42. How Selfless Of Her : Post Politics: Political News and Views in Tennessee:Last first;RINO is an acronym for ‘Republican In Name Only’.
PRESIDENT Bush will go down as one of the greatest Presidents in American history. Nevertheless, he has almost destroyed the Republican Party.
It wasn’t Iraq but his failure to use the veto pen to rein in his fellow Republicans. That and his fruitless effort to ‘reach across the aisle’. His administration has been 8 years of him getting fooked, if not by the Demonrats, then by his own party.
He was unable to establish control over the most important branches of his government. State is doing their own foreign policy that has nothing to do with President Bush’s, the CIA is leaking secrets to the N.Y. Times in a failed effort to manipulate elections, the AG is winking and nodding as treason takes place. It is no accident PRESIDENT Bush’s approval rating is in the cellar and dropping. PRESIDENT Bush has urinated on the people that put him in the White House while extending the hand of friendship to his enemies. His enemies bit his hand and us wet Republicans are going to do a little pissing of our own here in a few months.
I call him a ‘black hole’ because whatever is put in ( money, time, effort, whatever) nothing comes back out.
[...] Rick Moran argues that Hillary Clinton continues to run for the Democratic nomination for President not because she seeks the Vice-Presidency or to embolden her case for candidacy in 2012 should Obama lose but because she feels an obligation to the little girls of this country: For all the talk of “glass ceilings” and “old boys networks” — and there are still significant barriers to professional women who seek power and influence in the political and corporate world — Hillary Clinton’s candidacy has shattered a few of those ceilings as she has elbowed her way into the oldest and most male of all networks: serious consideration for the most powerful office on the planet. [...]
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May 15, 2008 - 5:50 am 44. The Wizard:The woman is hubris, disgusting and offensive. I am a woman and would not vote for Hillary Clinton if she were the ONLY candidate or the last woman on the face of the earth. She has denigrated the status of women everywhere, her lies, political spin and divisive campaign rhetoric are an embarrassment to the DNC. Her management style and skill set are demonstrated in her inability to run her own campaign — an incredible fiscal disaster! If that sets the bar, imagine what she would do with the Federal budget!!! Enough is enough, Clinton Fatigue has reached the apex, Bill and Hillary need to head home to West Virginia….at least they have the adoration and support of the voters!!!!
May 15, 2008 - 7:42 am 45. M. de N.:To John Samford:
Thank you very much for your reply. I am not American, but a distant observer. Many specific elements and nuances of American politics escape me. I see clearly a radicalization of the Democratic Party that develops into a socialist Party of European type (what anachronism!). In a word, I see from the distance the greatness but the meanness remains in the darkness. As scholar of mythosemiotic systems I can understand the actual hysterical enthusiasm around a squalid individual like Obama, but here the World’s destiny is at stake, and a sympathizer of Islamofascist and communist regimes has a possibility to be elected as President of the US, the country that has always fought against the most hateful regimes in Europe, Asia, Vietnam, Iraq… I cannot forget the boat people, the death camps in Cambodia… and I never will forget 9/11, the men and women that waved their white handkerchiefs before dying. And now the disciple of all these worshippers of the Beast that bring the destruction to the World wants to be President of the US! Gods help old soldier “RINO” McCain in his fight against the demons obamites! (Obamites are the last generation of demons. The Gods are immortal. The demons are mortal and are borne from the unburied dead.) How is your wise goldfish?
May 15, 2008 - 10:10 am 46. Believer:God bless you, M. de N.
As an observer, please stay with us, and keep sharing your sanity.
A few could use it right now over at Steve Gill’s post.
May 15, 2008 - 11:15 am 47. Hope:Personally I would trust McCain to talk to anyone he thought fit. I would trust him with my life. I mean that literally.
I wouldn’t trust Obama with the time of day.
May 16, 2008 - 1:46 am 48. Anu:M.de N.
Please keep your hatred and effort to please the Americans in the distant place where you are.
” We are all partners in humanity”. Remember?
May 16, 2008 - 9:58 am 49. Anu:I’m sorry, I think I was moderate. Words about demons and obemites just got to me after reading all the comments. My
May 16, 2008 - 10:07 am 50. Nick in Virginia:belief is that it does not matter why ms Clinton stays on. McCain will be the next prez in any case.
Hillary Clinton is not the heroic marathon runner who persists to the end (like the woman we saw in the 1984 Olympics, Gabriela Andersen-Schiess, who nearly died from heat exhaustion and oxygen deprivation as she approached the finish line inside the stadium).
Hillary is the hockey player whose team is getting trounced unexpectedly, and as a result is taking cheaps shots and starting fights, saying “OK, you want to win? You’re going to have to pay for it.”
Nothing heroic in what she is doing, it is just self-serving. Because I don’t see the Democratic Party leadership taking the victory away from Obama by some backroom deal, and having Howard Dean say “Mr. Obama, pleast step to the back of the bus. This seat for the Presidential Nominee is reserved for a white woman.” That would be the end of the Democratic Party.
On second thought, maybe it’s not such a bad idea…..
May 16, 2008 - 10:54 am 51. M.d.N.:To Anu:
Don’t worry. I return in my “distant place”, in my light or my darkness. But, as the ancient Hindus said, nobody can escape his karma, neither I nor you.
May 16, 2008 - 2:42 pm 52. marcos bielostozky:I dont trust mr. obama itis not his color, just he dosnt act like american,and with that name, hussein i I cant seeit If he wins I stay out of voting.
May 16, 2008 - 3:31 pm 53. butch:no matter what obama is a white hater we allknow that
May 16, 2008 - 4:21 pm 54. Anu:M.d.N.
I am sorry if I offended you. I certainly don’t want to add to my karma. But I feel it’s unfair and ugly to call people names(talking ’bout karma!) as almost all here do. It would be fine if Obama and ms Clinton could work together,yet I heard that they can’t stand each other. Reading what the Americans say about those two reveals that they (Americans) are not ready for a black prez or a female one. That’s why I believe mr McCain has a good chance.
May 16, 2008 - 4:58 pm 55. M.d.N.:To Anu:
I am not offended, but desperate, because I feel the tragic pace of our World. It is my last “comment”. You are right: my comments had damaged my karma.
May 17, 2008 - 1:54 am 56. T.Silvain:Here’s a person that’s lost the nomination race and she can’t see the light. Instead of bringing support to the Democratic party, She’s causing her party to implode. Brilliant!!
Is that the smarts you want behind the Presidents desk? Probably not
May 17, 2008 - 9:21 pm 57. czekmark:“we tend to forget or at least downplay the fact that what Hillary Clinton has accomplished to this point would have been impossible thirty years ago.”
I agree but not for the reasons you gave. I doubt that Hillary or Obama could have done so well in the Dem primaries if the Democratic Party was not under the control of loony leftists. Then there is also the fact that the Dems have not produced any serious competitor to those two.
May 18, 2008 - 9:02 am 58. Adam:Both Clinton and Obama want the bragging rights to being respective firsts. Clinton in addition needs money regardless of the outcome to cover her expenses. This is apparent in that if you go to her website, you will usually first get redirected to her donation page most of the time.
She needs to stay in the race to keep people donating money to her so Obama will be willing to trade her endorsement for the rest of her debts. She probably not be satisfied with less than President, but might accept the idea of Bill being appointed ambassador to Israel or something similar so as to make a historical legacy to remember their achievements until her next bid for the White House.
May 19, 2008 - 10:22 am 59. PoliticalStage.com » Blog Archive » WHY HILLARY WON’T GIVE UP:[...] A sample: [...]
May 20, 2008 - 11:13 pm 60. Warrl:The only sense in which Obama’s race bothers me is the accusation that if I don’t support him I must be racist. Pick a candidate completely at random, and make accusations of that sort, and I’ll be less likely to support that candidate.
(Why wouldn’t the same “logic” apply to people who didn’t support the Supreme Court nomination of Clarence Thomas?)
Considered in and of themselves, I think Obama is the more defeatable of the two leading Democratic contenders. Aside from racism (there is SOME, although rather less than certain of his supporters appear to believe), he’s quite inexperienced, extremely left-wing, and making some very poor policy and strategy proposals. He has not shown well in states likely to give electoral votes to the Democrat in November.
However, in the dynamic that the nomination process has created, I now think that nominating Clinton might be the kindest thing that the Democrats could do for Sen. McCain. It would so offend many of Obama’s supporters, along with a fair shot of Democrats who haven’t studied the overall nominating process, that they would refuse to support Clinton in the general election. (The media telling us that a dead heat is over, aren’t helping.)
May 20, 2008 - 11:52 pm 61. Allison:She HAS to keep going because Barack can’t win and won’t be a good President yet. He is too inexperienced. He should have supported her, became her vice-president for 8 great years and then took over and been President another 8 years.. Would have been a better world for everyone. He just won’t beat McCain and even if he does, he isn’t ready to lead us out of this mess. Hillary is practical and will help us fix this mess and get it done–WAY better for the job.
May 21, 2008 - 4:54 pm 62. SBRLimey:I am a black middle-aged woman…and I am disgusted by Hilary’s self serving charade. I used to be a fan of both Bil and Hilary until I saw their sef – service antics in this election.
All the whining they did when he was in office… they cried and complained that the Repubicans were always picking on them and used under handed tricks. Pot calling the kettle, black. I expected a better campaign from them. However, the only one who is standing firm to the “no dirty tricks” policy is Obama.
It is over Hilary! Go home and get some rest…you are jet-lagged and bleary-eyed. You even wreaked your chances at being vice president because of your vicious and under handed attacks.
No, she is not blazing any trails for any woman… she just needs to let go…
May 26, 2008 - 8:43 pm 63. Lori:I read through all the comments… and MCcain…. HE is linked with the bush administration alot of you say I WOULD NEVER trust OBAMA OBAMA is our only chance … for HOPE for change. McCain ,clintons all linked ot the bush administration ,they are all puppets for the rich bastard behind the scenes….. does not one notice that…. I hate to say they’d try to “get rid of him” but i know they will….. Hillary …. doing it for women LOL HAHA i laugh and spit in her face .she’s an evil human being, and can care less about americans either can Mccain who’s all up on bush’s nuts…the only one i can trust is OBama, and i will stick with that! …hilary Mccain all of them are all linked to the same … corruption….
Jun 3, 2008 - 4:00 pm