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1. kbdabear:

If it’s McCain who’s “desperate”, then why has the Left gone into Apeshit DEFCON level 1 today?

Aug 30, 2008 - 12:32 am 2. Byron the Aussie:

***she’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination***

Huh?

Taylor, it’s pretty obvious who’s getting desperate around here.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:07 am 3. Byron the Aussie:

***let’s face it, Obama was wiping McCain off the PR map***

Whaaaaat? You’re making Olbermann look even-handed, now.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:13 am 4. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Taylor Marsh
RE: [OT] Out of Curiosity….

The babe factor won’t keep McCain’s candidacy from cratering. — Taylor Marsh

What color of crayon are you smoking?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You mean you need drugs to hallucinate?]

P.S. Based on the above….maybe not….

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:25 am 5. Ken Hahn:

This column has a great deal of “whistling past the graveyard” in it. Or are you trying to be funny? If so you did a good job. This hysterical screed demonstrates real fear that the emptiness Democrats are selling has begun to go very stale. Palin scares the hell out of you because she’s a woman who doesn’t need the “women’s movement”.

I’m sorry I can’t vote for her. I don’t trust McCain so I’m in the “none of the above” demographic.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:31 am 6. Chuck Pelto:

TO: kbdabear
RE: Why, Indeed

If it’s McCain who’s “desperate”, then why has the Left gone into Apeshit DEFCON level 1 today? — kbdabear

I’d say they were taken completely by surprise and, apparently, in a most disturbing fashion. Probably high on their love-fest in Denver when McCain’s excellent planning and timing doused them with ice-cold water. [Note: This is on a par with Karl Rove's activities.]

Taylor certain is a demonstration of that.

TO: Our Democrat ‘Friends’
RE: Helpful Advice

Don’t Panic…..

….Yet —

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Chaos, panic, and disorder -- my work here is done. -- Karl Rove]

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:31 am 7. poul:

this must be a parody. nobody who can operate computer is that stupid.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:47 am 8. poul:

p.s. and honey? this vogue cover is fake.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:51 am 9. Bob:

“The babe factor won’t keep McCain’s candidacy from cratering. ”

I am a male and find that sentence highly insulting. You, madame, are irrelevent. You are also a sad, mad and envious parody of a NAG member.

I will pity you for a moment, and then promptly forget your existence.

Aug 30, 2008 - 2:19 am 10. sbourg:

Whoever you are, Taylor Marsh, your op-ed is barely worth responding to. But I’ll make it brief, so’s not to waste my time. Your opinions miss the entire point (or what certainly could be……it’s always tough to get into someone’s brain……McCain being the one we’re attempting to explore)……….but the point is that she’s an outsider………fought corruption in Alaska AFTER she was mayor for 6 or 8 years of that town. And she started “blowing the whistle”. Then the Governor wanted her fired and she went public with her findings. I’ll leave you to explore the rest; you certainly didn’t mention it in your irresponsibly sophomoric article. You mention “women’s rights”. Yes, I’ll grant you that………but I’ll clue you in on a little fact. Even though I have a teenage daughter, and the “right to choose” is tremendously important to me, I understand that this is an ancillary issue that’s not important at the national level. Even if SCOTUS overturned Roe v Wade, it would just take the matter to the states. And most states wouldn’t change a bit, and others might outlaw abortions in the last trimester. Is that a disaster? Of course not. It’s a shame it’s not like that now. So get over your obsession with that issue on a national level and the choice of Pres or VP.
Let’s get on to the most important issues of our time……economic freedom to keep more of our money and make the economy work better, drill our own resources to make it work better and be more like every other country with natural resources, and strong foreign policy to let the Jihadists know we’ll never give into their quest to crush democracies in the middle east. Taylor……..these issues are simple, clear-cut, and vital to our top leaders. Unfortunately, Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Reid are “old-style” and don’t get it. They’ll turn us into the European model that’d be catastrophic for us and our children, on all levels.
McCain thinks Palin “gets it”. I think it’s pretty god-damned obvious she does too. It’s not rocket-science…….but, alas, unfortunately, too many Democrats don’t understand the big picture about much at all…….and they (and evidently you) will therefore not understand choices that responsible Americans in national office should make. McCain choosing Palin is good on all the important levels……..and if they lose, it’ll be because the MSM and sheeple like you are too obsessed about the fringe issues, and blind to the big issues our country faces. Then, in a sense, I guess we’ll deserve Obama/Biden. But that would be a shame of the largest proportions, and for our kids especially who’ll be in the job market soon. -Steve Bourg, ellicott city, MD

Aug 30, 2008 - 3:11 am 11. el gordo:

Any attempt to smear Palin as the “token” woman must draw attention to the fact that she has actually done more in Alaska than Barack Obama has in Chicago. Like, shown some initiative and integrity.

Aug 30, 2008 - 3:28 am 12. Paul Stokes:

And there’s your recent column, “Why Biden’s the Right Choice”.

OK, then.

Aug 30, 2008 - 3:42 am 13. Ed Wallis:

Did I just pass a ’70’s N.O.W. table, hearing the angry bleating…

…or just read another article by someone whose writing is so challenged that one is left only with the question, “is this meant as satire or can this person possibly be serious?”

C’mon, PJM, after this and the “Obama’s Steely Performance” satire, you GOTTA look elsewhere.

Need any left-over N.O.W. stickers?

Aug 30, 2008 - 3:54 am 14. CJ:

Wow. Talk about desperation. Look past her plumbing, you sexist.

The truth is, if Palin were a man it would still be a great choice. An energy expert who never worked for “Big Oil,” and a reformer who fought corruption in her own party and who reaches across the aisle to get things done? Obama is supposed to bring change and unite people but never compromises. McCain and Palin are both considered mavericks. So:

Distances the ticket from W and the pork. Check.

A conservative who reassures the base that McCain actually remembers they exist. Check.

A small-town candidate who connects with families and definitely knows how many houses she owns. (And probably can tell you her mortgage payment to the penny.) Check.

A ticket where both candidates have sons on active military duty, giving them an added heft on Iraq and Afghanistan. Check.

A candidate who makes the experience and accomplishment arguments off the table — on both sides. Since Obama seems to not want to talk about issues, he has to go off script, exactly where his weakness lies. Check.

Any other pick would have brought maybe one thing to the ticket, but Gov. Palin already has changed the tone of this race. And it’s not just about her sex. Could you honestly say that Hutchinson, Fiorina, or Whitman would have created the same level of excitement?

And focusing on the pageant? Dumb (but predictable) move. She entered the contest because she couldn’t get an athletic scholarship to college. Instead of whining or looking for a government handout, she looked at what was possible and made a plan. But of course, it’s not sexist at all to ignore everything she’s done in the 24 years since then, ’cause there is no way that McCain could pick a qualified woman!

Is all of this slanted? Yes, but no more than your piece.

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:23 am 15. hdgreene:

This is another Republican dirty trick.

Chill, Taylor. Be not afraid of terrorists or Mullahs getting the better of Sarah. It’s like Bill Clinton said, you become qualified for the office by running for it — or words to that effect (”I’ve watched Barack grow so much in the last three days…” I quote from memory). So you got to figure, she’ll be more qualified by January than Barack is today. Come to think of it, she’s more qualified today than Barack is today.

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:30 am 16. Kevin:

Why the hate?
Do you feel threatened by a real woman? One that does not need NOW to be liberated?

How can you hate a woman who can be a wife, a mother, and a chief executive? And still be a classy, good looking lady who turns men’s heads (instead of turning stomachs)?

Are you pissed that she chose life instead of convenience? Especially when she chooses to keep a baby who will face challenges?

Are you furious that she has more executive experience than Obama? That she has Governed, not just voted “present”?

Do you hate her because she is a lifetime NRA member and she knows how to shoot and gut a moose? Can your messiah gut a moose?

Or is it that she knows all about domestic Drilling, and knows how to work with the Oil industry instead of against it.

Stop being such a hater! Here is a woman being elected to the White House, not just decorating the bedroom or the oval office carpets.
Here is a woman who is a true pioneer, not just in politics, but in real life. A woman who made it to the top on her abilities, not by marrying “up”. You should be shouting this from the mountain tops, instead of crying in your pablum.

Come play with the pretty new girl and be friends!

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:35 am 17. David Thomson:

“Palin is also for drilling in ANWAR, which Democrats are not, including disaffected HRC voters.”

Do you have any logical reasons to be against drilling in ANWAR? The polling data clearly shows that the American people are ready to approve drilling in ANWAR and other “pristine areas” of the country. You will have to provide serious evidence of probable harm to dissuade them—and not objections premised on junk science and a secular religious fervor.

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:40 am 18. mishu:

She’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination

Translation: she thinks it’s wrong to forcibly stick hose into a baby’s skull and suck his brains out while he’s trying to make his way out of the birth canal.

Hey Taylor honey, the pick wasn’t meant to woo leftists as yourself but more to solidify the base. I’m sure you want the same pay as Roger as he founded this site while you write articles for it. That doesn’t count for equal work. Just be grateful that you got this affirmative action gig. Now get me a beer.

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:48 am 19. Gower:

Sounds like little Miss Marsh’s main objection to the Palin pick is that the Republicans actually picked a real Republican for veep. Sorry Taylor if you were expecting Liberman in drag – but the fact that Gov Palin is a pro-life, NRA life member is perhaps the best part of her choice. Her job is to deliver the base – not to placate lefties like you.

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:58 am 20. David WL:

What sort of argument is here? Marsh doesn’t like McCain’s positions? Okay. But that does not prove McCain is “going to crater”.

If official pundits can get away with this sort of non-argument, no wonder the caliber of conversation on WWW is low.

Aug 30, 2008 - 5:03 am 21. Kirk:

“”"Sarah Palin is not a supporter of women’s civil rights. She’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination, …”"”

It’s spin like this that you find in the MSM, and why no one believes the wacko left when they speak anymore. If your going to post a slimy attack like that, one or two footnotes of context or reference are required or you just look like a hysterical leftist living in an icecream and gumdrop mountain world.

Aug 30, 2008 - 5:09 am 22. AL:

Get a grip on reality, Taylor.

What are the chances for Sarah Palin to flip-flop on Second Amendment, drilling for oil, or pro-life stance? Based on her lifehood and personal choices?

American people are not stupid and know the answer.

Aug 30, 2008 - 5:26 am 23. Pope Linus:

“Sarah Palin is not a supporter of women’s civil rights. She’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination…”

A female right to self-determination, except for those females in utero, right? No hope for self-determination for them.

Aug 30, 2008 - 5:48 am 24. Lucy Dashwood:

Why is this opinion piece here instead of where it belongs at HuffPo?

Aug 30, 2008 - 5:53 am 25. Terry Gain:

It’s desperation time in the marsh.

The Democrats chose as leader a man whose resume is so thin and whose character is so lacking that he tells his uninformed audiences that he passed legislation which he actually opposed.

Picked as editor of the Hrvard Law Review even though he had not (and did not) contribute a scholarly articlel, his candidacy is the creation of the MSM and the Soros Wing of the Democratic party.

Armed with a teleprompter and a well written speech Obama performs well in front of an adoring audience. Without these props, on his own, Obama comes across as he is: uninformed and, as a result, unsure of himself.

The Democrats are playing identity politics. They have the support of eighty percent of ten percent of the poplulation.

McCain chose a running mate who has a good chance of drawing support from that other minority that makes up 52% of the population, who would otherwise not vote Repilican. The choice of a true conservative has the Republican base energized.

This would not be a good move if Palin were not person of substance, talent and accomplishment. In fact her record seems almost too good to be true.

The Democrats argue she has limited executive experience. The intelligent and fair minded will demur: “Your candidate has none. Your candidate has unsavoury associations. And, unlike your candidate, Palin hasn’t advocated throwing a war which is clearly being won”.

For starters.

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:04 am 26. Xanthippe:

I read this hoping to find something of substance, but did not. An unpersuasive, lightweight article. Disappointing.

Can’t the party of Obama do a little better?

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:07 am 27. Ed Wallis:

Gee…am I the only one here who seems to think that Ms. Marsh’s writing is an attempt to catch up with the verbal pallor…err…I mean…“palate” of The-Candidate-formerly-known-as “The parting-of-the-oceans Obamboozler”?

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:10 am 28. Akatsukami:

“If it’s McCain who’s ‘desperate’, then why has the Left gone into Apeshit DEFCON level 1 today?”

Because Obama’s modest but steady slide in the polls indicates that the Light Worker’s campaign won’t crater only because it’s not big enough to leave a mark when it impacts. The Kidz will go back to binge drinking and getting laid; a few PUMAs may hold their noses and vote for McCain, but most will just stay hold on Election Day. It seems likely that “Obama” will prove to be the Luo word for “Mondale”.

The real worry is that McCain’s choice of Palin will attract the quasi-Jacksonians, those who say, “Act like one of us, and we’ll embrace you as one of our own”. Obama’s vision is of the anti-America, but McCain’s record is not reassuring; his strongest point is that he’s not Obama. Palin’s candidacy will ensure that there is an American, however marginalized the Vice-Presidency may be, with access to the White House.

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:22 am 29. Mommynator:

Smells like envy to me.

Geez, get a grip – Palin is an accomplished woman. She’s her own woman. She has strong opinions and values and ethics.

I guess that’s a bad thing nowadays.

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:22 am 30. RustyG:

I don’t get it PJM. Victor Davis Hanson, Michael Leeden, Claudia Rosett, Roger L. Simon ….and Taylor Marsh? Thats like trying to balance out John Elway, Peyton Manning and Joe Montana with Ryan Leaf.

Atleast we get brilliant political insight like this “She’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination, which means she’s the conservatives’ darling. But she’s got bigger problems than relegating females to second class citizens.” WTF! What NAG handbook did that quote come from.

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:34 am 31. mac:

BZZZZZZZZZT! You lose, Marsh. Try to have some substance in your next article; that will help a lot.

Thanks for playing.

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:42 am 32. Boris:

“Since Obama seems to not want to talk about issues”

This can’t be serious. Obama wants the election to be about issues because the American people agree with him on almost every single one.

That’s why this pick is so strange. McCain’s ace in the hole was experience, but now he can’t bring it up without looking like a hypocrite.

Sorry to bring a little logic into this thread, please continue calling Taylor stupid and whatnot…

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:52 am 33. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Lucy Dashwood
RE: Why Here?

Why is this opinion piece here instead of where it belongs at HuffPo? — Lucy Dashwood

Because PJM is TRYING to be more balanced than places like HuffPo.

Unfortunately, it’s hard for them to find quality ‘liberal’ columnists, as evidenced by Taylor’s last few days.

I suspect that the problem PJM has in finding ‘quality liberal columnists’ is that I think the phrase is something of an oxymoron.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Quantity is no substitute for quality, but it's the only think shes got.]

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:56 am 34. chicago:

this is a typical liberal op ed. we all know liberal are shallow (look at why they like their candidate). so sarah palin is not a good pick since she’s beautiful. that is so hilarious folks! Obama is also qualified to be POTUS since he can deliver a speech. you guys see the pattern of shallowness of the liberal mind?

John McCain chose Sarah Palin because she’s fought corruption effectively, killed pork barrel projects, fought big oil companies, brought ethics, integrity, and is a successful conservative female politician.

to the liberal mind it’s how she look! LOL!

Aug 30, 2008 - 7:02 am 35. Rachel Peepers:

Taylor,

Never let the facts get in the way of a story.

You mistakenly say, “Sarah was shipped” by McCain in order to bring in the wow factor.

Fact is, she flew in by commercial jet. Nobody ships this woman anyplace. The word, shipping implies that a woman is like something you’ve paid for and want shipped. Like a valuable picture or a horse. In 2008, it’s settled law that women aren’t in the category of chattel.

You say Sarah Palin is against women’s rights.
Fact is, Hillary had a right to be considered by Barack by the same VP standards as men. Hillary got 18 million votes. Biden got 17,000. Obviously, Barack didn’t give Hillary fair consideration. He didn’t even vet her. If you’re for women’s rights, don’t you have a problem with that?

Barack is the one against women’s rights. Remember the uncomfortable little fact that Obama says to female reporters things like, “Just a minute sweetie?” The fact is, Misogynist speech like that is right out of the 50’s.

And don’t forget Barack sat in Reverend Wright’s Misogyny, oh, I mean, Trinity Church for twenty years listening to the kinds of ridicule and hate speech leveled at women like Hillary experienced during the election that any fair minded citizen would decry and deplore.

Fact: A grandson has a duty to truth tell and a grandmother has a right not to be slandered; thrown under the bus in the way Barack called his grandmother, who helped raise him, a
typical racist white woman.

Fact: Women don’t have a right to kill a baby after a botched abortion. Yet, it was Barack who refused to vote for the born-alive baby being given a baby doctor’s care. And if the baby is female, she deserves a chance to live. In fact, that’s its right under our constitution. In that way also, Sarah Palin is pro women’s rights. Barack is anti-female rights. Incidentally, Barack was the only one in the U.S. senate to argue that the born baby not receive a minimum standard of care from its own physician.

Fact is, when you say Sarah Palin is against women’s rights, you do all women a dis-service. In truth, Barack, in most cases, is the one against women’s rights.

Taylor, you have the disturbing habit of taking the truth and turning it on its head.

Oh, yes, speaking of partial term abortion, the inhuman procedure where the female (or male) baby is….let me stop, it’s just too heinous and disgusting an act, reminds me of
Aribert Heim, Dr. Death as they called this Nazi doctor at the concentration camp where…

It’s too disgusting to write about. But Aribert, you can be sure, performed his share of these totally inhuman acts partial birth abortion.

Is it surprising that Sarah Palin is four square against this savage, ruthless and brutal procedure visited on females (mother and child) while Barack sees nothing wrong with it?

I think not.

Perhaps the next time you posit that Sarah Palin is anti-female rights you’ll think twice before you write.

Aug 30, 2008 - 7:33 am 36. Akatsukami:

“Sorry to bring a little logic into this thread”

No need to apologize, Boris. You failed miserably.

Aug 30, 2008 - 7:37 am 37. devildog666:

Obviously you’ve been sucking on lemons with Michelle Obama. Palin is a fantastic pick. This has the base energized and donating both time and money.

You need that enthusiasm to win an election and until Palin we weren’t into it. I wasn’t even sure I’d vote for McCain. This was a brilliant move.

Semper Fi

Aug 30, 2008 - 7:43 am 38. Donna:

Marsh is upset that Palin has suddenly made Hillary and the ’70’s feminists look washed up.

Ah, yes, that shining feminist model Hillary – who, unlike Palin, is where she is today solely because of her husband.

Aug 30, 2008 - 7:46 am 39. RustyG:

Boris writes “This can’t be serious. Obama wants the election to be about issues because the American people agree with him on almost every single one.” I suppose that is why even lib journalists are begging him to begin adressing the issues with specificity instead of Hope and Change generalities. Mentioning the words “Townhall Meeting” or “Debate” to Obama is like showing a vampire a cross.

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:14 am 40. misanthropicus:

Taylor Marsh & the Obamatons are all out in arms, braying that Palin has no experience in facing important decisions – and contrasting this with Glibama’s achievements! Absurd & easy to dismiss charge & comparison:

Yes, it is true that Alaska has more reindeers than people, and population smaller that Obama’s following in the US penitentiary system, but now look at the map of the North-West America – the Behring strait (just 50 miles between Russia and the USA), then Kamchiatka, Vladivostok, and Russia’s enormous military system lurking in Siberia, eyeing the US and Alaska (with its enormous oil and mineral reserves – and don’t forget that Alaska purchase is another object of nostalgia amongst irredentist Russians. And I don’t introduce now in this ominous reality the N. Korean and China menacing proximity!)

This position gives Alaska a particularly important geopolitical weight, and this situation places on the Alaska governor’s office more strategic concerns and matters to deal with than most US governors face.

So, the comparison between Sarah Palin’s, governor of Alaska and mister Glibama’, the community activist job weight is ridiculous – the Alaska governor has more US strategic problems to envisage daily than the community activist from Chicago ever had, and ever will have during fifteen life-times.

Topping this, mister Glibama anyway never-ever-ever held a job of minimal responsibility, of any nature – except an unsuccessful shot as laudromat manager in New York, shot which credentialized him for sitting together with Ayres in a straw-men board to spend the Annenberg millions (we’ll learn more about this later).

As far as Joe Biden part of this equation: for any Glibamaton out there – can you tell where is the hope’n change and the no more politics as usual in Washington? Where is the “people want change, want new faces in Washington?” Sure Biden’s 35 years in the US senate trumps McCain’s, don’t they? And what about fresh figures? Have you prepared in your budget some money for Biden’s face lift?

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:14 am 41. venividivici:

This can’t be serious. Obama wants the election to be about issues because the American people agree with him on almost every single one.

Actually, the reason people agree with those positions of Obama’s is because they don’t understand the cost of implementing his plans and they don’t see the contradictions inherent in his positions, e.g. having government take over health care and balancing the budget. That, of course, is thanks to the education industry. The masses in America will never willingly vote for hard leftism, as long as non-leftists such as myself point out to them how much that hard leftism costs. Many people like to be swept away by Democratic/leftist rhethoric, but the idea of putting their hard-earned money into the hands of those spouting that rhetoric is a different story and Republicans can win on that every time and keep the government from implementing their completely infeasible “solutions” based on the idea that centralized government knows best. Thankfully, since, while “issues” do bring to light real problems faced by real people, the non-governmental, free market solution to those issues has the advantage of being easier to implement, cheaper to the end-user/consumer, and more effective than anything the government could come up with using tax dollars.

That’s why this pick is so strange. McCain’s ace in the hole was experience, but now he can’t bring it up without looking like a hypocrite.

Only on a superficial level is this true. Close analysis of Palin’s record relative to Obama’s shows that she has executive experience and he doesn’t, or to the extent that he does, he’s been a miserable failure as a day-to-day leader. Period.

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:21 am 42. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Akatsukami
RE: Bogus Boris Bloviating

This can’t be serious. Obama wants the election to be about issues because the American people agree with him on almost every single one. — Boris

Actually, Boris is being quite clever, if you look at his argument. Logically speaking, Boris is correct about the American people agreeing with Obama; in a manner of speaking.

How can that be?

Because Obama has taken just about every possible position on most of the issues. That includes being for and against something at just about the same time. Therefore, logically speaking, Americans have agreed with Obama.

The problem is….

…since Obama flip-flops worse than Kerry OD’d on methamphetamines, no one REALLY knows with any certainty where he stands an ANY issue at ANY time. It’s the classic Communist axiom….

Todays truth is tomorrows lie.

Obama is trying to prove Abraham Lincoln wrong when Lincoln said,

You can fool all of the people, some of the time. You can fool some of the people [like Boris] ALL of the time. But you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

And Boris is one of Obama’s enablers here on PJM.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[He thinks by infection, catching an opinion like a cold.]

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:22 am 43. jdkchem:

“If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.” The Messiah.

Following The One’s game plan I see.

A “beauty queen” who has managed to parlay her win into nothing is grousing because the “loser” went out and made a name for herself.

Abortion is not a civil right nor is it “women’s right to self-determination”. It is birth control after-the-fact. Painting it any other way is grossly dishonest.

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:26 am 44. Taylor Marsh:

kbdabear – One reason Dems are outrages is that she’s never even had a thought about national security. We don’t want someone to get us into another war, this one possibly with Iran, like Bush did with Iraq.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

McCain is 72! His age is now front and center, because of his pick of Palin. Instead of covering for both of them you should be outraged too.

Sarah Palin’s soap opera is, however, just one of the bonuses of this boneheaded pick, which comes complete with ethics problems, an investigation, as well as a dishy story made for Court TV.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/palin_probe_could_mean_election.php

If Sarah Palin was a man she’d be laughed out of the veepstakes, with McCain shown for the embarrassment this pick reveals. This is Republican affirmative action in full bloom. As a Democrat, I’m glad you all finally decided that’s important, but it would be nice if she actually had to prove competent for the job.

McCain met her once, maybe twice? No doubt the babe factor impressed him mightily. John does have his priorities, you know.

I won’t even get into the issue that Palin actually believes humans and dinosaurs were on the planet at the same time, or that women’s civil rights doesn’t interest her.

After 50 years of making national security your talking point the choice of Sarah Palin has finally exposed those of you supporting this pick as frauds.

Hey, but the American people picked W. twice. Ignorance knows no bounds. It’s just that this pick could get us all killed.

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:27 am 45. Matt:

BWAHAHAHAAAA….This talk about someone with so little experience being in line for the White House as “absolutely frightening” is absolutely hilarious. Welcome to our fears of an Obama presidency. Dems, open wide, here comes a spoonful of irony.

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:28 am 46. Mabel:

All this thrashing of Palin is the reason why she’s a great choice…the Obamamaniacs wont be able to resist…they’ll attack her, mock her, ridicule her and in he process, they will show blue collar voters what they are made of…pure arrogance like their leader…this will make the war againt Hillary look like a tea party because Palin does not have the negatives Hillary has, so the only reason to treat her that way is because she’s a woman (they will conclude)…we only need a fraction of Hillary’s feminists to win…go Sarah!

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:33 am 47. Mike_K:

By the end of the campaign, Sarah will be looking like the most qualified of the four. I’ve been watching her for almost a year and I think she has the potential to be another Margaret Thatcher. We’ll see how Biden does in the debate with her. The left seems to suspect the same might be true and are going hysterical. As we see illustrated here.

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:48 am 48. HRPKathy:

Taylor,
“Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful.”

As a woman I’m embarrassed for you. Why do the ugly women hate the pretty women? Why do they cry out for the right to abortion as birth control when their own faces are the greatest form of birth control they have? Alas… topics on the superficial…

As Commander of the Alaska National Guard she has not given ‘a thought’ to national security.

Can you actually be that ignorant?

As to the facts behind the Troopergate, you might want to study the chronology and the testimony of the disgruntled fired Dept of Safety Manager. His statements are not backed up by the facts. For the facts go here, or as a demonstrated intellectually vacuous and dishonest person, don’t look now but that scandal you thought you had is that the democrats are trying to make a scandal out of a responsible official firing an out of control police officer who tazes his 11 year old stepson. Are you really arguing that an out of control police officer should be walking the streets with a handgun?

Nice work. You dems are making the best arguments I’ve ever seen for why a democrat should not even be trusted to hold a public position as a dogcatcher.

Ageism, sexism, and phony scandals. That’s your argument. Bone up, you need to get a grip on the facts.

All that bashing her religion is fashionable on the left, too. So she instituted creationism in the schools in Alaska? NO. It’s irrelevant, but you can toss it out there, straws and strawmen are everywhere.

Thank you for writing the article, Taylor. I’m showing it to all my beautiful friends whose looks disqualify them from your respect. Don’t worry, we’re used to that from ugly girls.

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:58 am 49. Maia Appleby:

I’ve been an Obama supporter all along and it got pretty ugly for a while, but I’m an INFORMED voter. If Hillary had won the nomination and McCain picked Powell as his VP, I would be voting for Hillary.

This is the most shallow thing I have ever seen in politics.

Low info voters, please do some homework and vote on the issues, for a change.

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:58 am 50. Kevin:

I see the McCain Spammers are here spamming away gathering those valuable McCain Blogging Points.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:01 am 51. MarkD:

Ms Marsh should reconsider before commenting on comments to her article. It smacks of desperation. Especially the hyperbolic last sentence.

I find it far more likely that Obama’s inexperience and poor judgement are likely to cost us dearly if he were to be elected.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:02 am 52. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Taylor Marsh, Stupidity?

One reason Dems are outrages is that she’s never even had a thought about national security. We don’t want someone to get us into another war, this one possibly with Iran, like Bush did with Iraq. — Taylor Marsh

Last time I looked there was a VERY short distance between Alaska and the one nation on planet Earth that could obliterate most of our major cities.

As part of the national defense system to prevent them from doing that we’ve got a HELLOFALOT of military presence in that state:

• Defense Early Warning (DEW) Line installations
• Major airbase from which intelligence aircraft monitor our friends across the strait
• An Independent brigade with paratroopers
• The Alaskan Scouts; a highly trained, highly motivated and highly respected Alaskan National Guard formation, of which SHE is the commander-in-chief

Then there are the national strategic assets of her state; oil for one.

And she doesn’t think she, as the chief executive of that state, is ‘aware’, let alone involved with such installations and their operations and support? That’s ridiculous.

I wonder if Taylor can tell me what military formation has Obama been the commander-in-chief of?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. -- Benjamin Franklin]

P.S. Regrettably, Taylor will probably continue working harder….

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:02 am 53. Akatsukami:

“McCain is 72! His age is now front and center, because of his pick of Palin. Instead of covering for both of them you should be outraged too.”

Yep, his actuarial life expectancy is only eleven years. Eleven! And he could be President for…oh, wait, only eight years. Never mind.

BTW, Taylor, you do support cutting off Social Security benefits at age 72 because people that old are going to die soon anyway, yes?

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:09 am 54. Roy Mustang:

Ha, sorry Taylor. I enjoy your writings but I smell blood in the water. The democrats definitely got hurt on this one.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:13 am 55. Daily Pundit » Vice President Ferraro:

[...] Pajamas Media » Why Palin Is a Desperate Choice However, I’m thinking Palin is more Geraldine Ferraro than anything else, equating McCain to Mondale. Excitement shipped in from the hinterlands to try to keep his candidacy from cratering. [...]

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:22 am 56. campeador:

Meow

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:24 am 57. fmfnavydoc:

Toughness…Sarah Palin is TOUGH. Tough on corruption in AK, and not afraid to take it on face to face, and expose it to the people of her state, and drive those of the “machine” out into the light and out of office. She once wrote in an editorial that “the only difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom is the lipstick”. Barry O is a product of the Chicago/socialist machine, and proves it by his talk (all hype, but no facts). If he did the same thing in Chi-town, he’d be back on the South Side as a “community activist”…

Her and her husband also had to make a choice – about having their son Trig…knowing that the unborn son would be born with Down’s Syndrome, and knowing that they would spend their lifetime caring for him, they had to make a decision – to either abort him or to let him be born and love and care for him. If you don’t think that’s tough, your wrong (I’ve seen many families have to make that decision).

The libs are crapping in their pants over this choice…and rightfully so!

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:24 am 58. venividivici:

One reason Dems are outrages is that she’s never even had a thought about national security. We don’t want someone to get us into another war, this one possibly with Iran, like Bush did with Iraq.

It amazes me that Democrats refuse to countenance the possibility that war with Iran might be necessary. What happened to that famous open-mindedness they are always talking about? If Palin, or anyone, were in the position to take the country to war and it was in the best interests of the country, they need to take the country to war. It’s actually quite simple.

Sarah Palin’s soap opera is, however, just one of the bonuses of this boneheaded pick, which comes complete with ethics problems, an investigation, as well as a dishy story made for Court TV.

Reading the link you provided, that story is pretty weak tea. According to the accusations, the man who was dismissed violated a variety of rules pertaining to his office and Palin has fully cooperated with the investigation at every turn. That he also had family ties to Palin is irrelevant. I know that Democrats typically expect wrong-doers to be protected by political allies (a la Ted Kennedy), but some people actually think those wrongdoers should suffer the consequences of their actions.

I won’t even get into the issue that Palin actually believes humans and dinosaurs were on the planet at the same time, or that women’s civil rights doesn’t interest her.

Accusations but no links? That’s pretty shady. And civil rights as defined by whom? There are interpretations of civil rights that run the gamut from plausible to insane on the Left. From reading your post, I’m going to go out on a limb and say your interpretation tends toward the latter, in which case I have no more reason to listen to your opinion on civil rights than I would have to listen to a eunuch’s opinion of sexual intercourse.

After 50 years of making national security your talking point the choice of Sarah Palin has finally exposed those of you supporting this pick as frauds.

Not if the pick is based on the presence of agreements in principle to the tenets of Republican national security doctrines. Republicans can be reasonably certain that Palin will act in accordance with what they think are the appropriate principles, if called upon to act in support of the national security agenda. In the absence of actual experience, this is sufficient.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:30 am 59. Semblance of Rationality:

Loyal PJM readers deserve an intelligent liberal POV. Might it be possible to replace Taylor Marsh with Juan Williams?

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:30 am 60. Biff:

It’s both sad and amusing to see how many of the left are using what I presume is Palin’s high school yearbook photo to illustrate their articles. Presumably the idea is to diminish Sarah Palin’s gravitas through a somewhat campy image that is probably twenty five years old, and that features a hair style that some of our betters might consider a little “middle class.” Perhaps that is the new standard — every article should feature everyone’s high school picture. Where’s Taylor Marsh’s picture? One other thing — the picture probably actually helps Palin with an awful lot of people: she looks like someone who might have gone to my high school; very nostalgic for this independent, baby boomer voter, very appealing.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:31 am 61. JP:

It is interesting that the Left’s reaction has centered on her gender. Obama’s first official reaction was to stress her gender; The Kos kids even went as far to insinuate that it was her daughter who gave birth their Down Syndrome child. It is the Left that is in panic mode.

Obama’s numbers have been on the downside since late June. His 15 point June lead evaporated to 1 point since his Berlin trip. Their convention highlight was not Obama’s speech, but Bill and Hillary’s appearences. Obama’s “bounce” was anemic as compared to the 15-18 point bounce Dukakis bounce in 88, or Bill’s 15 point bounce in 92. Obama is in a difficult position; his huge lurch to the Far Left in order to flank Hillary has made it near impossible to triangulate to the Center aka Bill Clinton. When Obama did sprint to the Center Left in June, he looked ridiculous and he’s suffered ever since.

Palin flanks Obama’s biggest strengths -his biography. Palin came from the middle class and has a proven record of reform. Her family is Blue Collar. She didn’t graduate from Harvard Law, but worked her way up from the bottom taking on City Hall and a corrupt GOP state goverment. Obama’s radical Pro-Choice position looks down right immoral when compared to her 5 children. She CHOSE to keep her down syndrome child instead of abort him. This is true choice.

I live in a blue collar catholic middle class city with both GOP and Dems, and from there is a huge amount of excitement -especially from mothers. The GOP base is fired up. This election will be about turnout, Palin will bring in both conservative and conservative blue collar voters. The Left should be worried -very worried.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:34 am 62. Mabel:

“You see, the vast majority of Americans do not vote on issues. They vote on emotions, which can sometimes be tied to issues, but often are just driven by feelings. It’s the emotion that puts voters in the booths to cast ballots.”

That’s right and Obama has been exploiting those emotions…that’s his only strategy. he talks about generalities like “hope” and “change”…who would not be for that? Is like the “peace” movements…who is not going to be for peace…is when the generalities are spelled out that people disagree but obama doesn’t want that…he wants to coast all the way to inaguration on mere ideals and appeal to our emotions.

“McCain is too old” and Palin “is on the ticket just because she’s a woman” They are outraged that McCain can die in office and leave a totally inexperient president in office…as oppose to electing one like Obama??? Yes people, the democrats strategy is to appeal to our emotions with ageism and sexism…so much for change!

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:34 am 63. Lili von Shtupp:

Ms. Marsh, allow this former Arizonan PUMA to set you straight on a few things.

Yes….McCain is 72. His mother, who is still very much alive, is well into her 90’s. If you’re going to get worked up over possible longevity, perhaps you should look at Obama’s background instead (both his parents died relatively young).

Senator McCain also has more women on staff, and he pays them better than Senator Obama. Plus, I don’t think he calls any of them “Sweetie”. (Unless it’s her given name….)

If you are going to bring up creationism as a reason to be against Palin, please run the entire quote. Here it is, for your perusal, courtesy of Little Green Footballs. That site’s founder, no friend of “creation science”, at least bothered to look up what she actually said instead of parroting Obama’s lie machine:

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In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:

“I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.”

She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.

Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature.

“I won’t have religion as a litmus test, or anybody’s personal opinion on evolution or creationism,” Palin said.

————————

And finally, even though I am pro-choice, I don’t weasel around calling abortion “the right to self-determination”. I’m embarrassed that you do.

When I think of “self-determination”, I think of things like the right to attend college, cast a vote, serve or not serve in the military, buy a house, run a business, dress however I choose and even drive a car without having a male escort. She is not against any of those things that truly define a woman and her choices in life.

I ain’t buying that tired old “Roe v. Wade is going to go into the trash can if this Republican gets in, and we’re all going to be marched off barefoot and preggo back to the kitchen!!!!!” canard any longer. Roe v. Wade has survived Reagan, two different Bushes, and a host of challenges in the courts. It’s not going anywhere soon.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:35 am 64. RE:

The misandrist feminists that seek to emasculate men really have no choice but to hate a strong woman like Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin completely undermines their grievance/entitlement politics and makes them look bad, really bad.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:35 am 65. TinfoilHatter:

“Sarah Palin and I have one thing in common. We both did the beauty queen circuit. I won, she didn’t; though she did Vogue and I didn’t.”

This is what passes for substantive political debate on the Left, these days.

“John McCain evidently thinks that’s a pretty good qualification to be vice president, because he’s chosen her to share the ticket with him”

As opposed to the top of the D ticket, where executive experience consists of, the Law Review? Or voting present? Or proper melanin content?

I’d fisk this article, but like shooting cattle, there would be no sport in it.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:36 am 66. Jephnol:

Wow! This post smacks of sexism and ageism.

And let me see if I’ve got this right… Palin is picked for the VP slot and has more executive experience than Obama who is the top of his ticket; you argue, as McCain is older it is more likely he could pass away before the end of his term leaving Palin the office of the presidency. I’m with you so far, right? So you want the less experienced man in office rather than the more experienced woman (contingent upon the death of the president). It’s a dark moment for identity politics isn’t it, when you have to chew your own foot off to escape your own trap? Sort of a clash of the progressive imperatives, if you will. But don’t let that stop you. You seem to be having fun.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:38 am 67. Retep:

Taylor
Sarah has all the qualities that you thought you were getting in BO. Turns out you were duped by the halo on the Time magazine cover. Sorry about that.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:41 am 68. Michael Derrer:

Taylor, you know what, I’m one of those disaffected Hillary voters.

And here’s why I’m paying attention.

Even YOU started off your article in a sexist way. You led with the beauty pagents. As if the first and foremost thing to examine in someone who is a sitting governor are her breasts and ass. Good job. Frankly, I detected a note of jealousy. So you won and she didn’t. Feeling upset she’s a governor tapped for VP and you’re not?

Us “Hillary” voters watched in horror (especially for our daughters’ futures) as an empty suit in the form of Barak Obama and his minions in the press and on the internet engaged in the most outrageously sexist smears of our Candidate, whose policy choices and experience we like and were enthused about. We watched as he played lip service to 18 million “cracks in the ceiling” but then passed Hillary over for the VP job in favor of Biden. Biden did not get anywhere near the votes Hillary did. Biden has _NOTHING_ on Hillary in terms of her policy chops on issues important to this election.

Then John McCain pulls the trigger for Palin. He met with her, he assessed her IDEAS and CHARACTER and he shows us that its not just lip service to point to a woman and say she’s ready to lead.

Why weren’t the “progressives” savaging Tim Kaine with the too little experience canard? Or does experience amount to less in a man? That’s not one I’ll look forward to explaining to my 10 year old.

And just like with HIllary, here come the sexist attacks on Palin. She looks like a model. She has a nice ass. She faked a pregnancy (c’mon!). She come from a po dunk town. (Obama should have figured out after bitter gate v.1 to stop being such a condescending ass. Hillary knew better, just look at Penn. In short we see all over again the worst we can possibly expect from our movement. And its sad.

So progressives talk change and Johm McCain said “watch me walk change.”

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:42 am 69. AdrianS:

Who died and left the decision as to what feminism is to the left-wing radicals. Left-wing neo-feminism is an odd facade for penis envy.

This article belongs where it came from, the Huffing-and-Puffington Post.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:43 am 70. Terry Gain:

Taylor Marsh

“Hey, but the American people picked W. twice. Ignorance knows no bounds. It’s just that this pick could get us all killed.”

How ironic. You support a foreign policy moron whose entire campaign has been built around conceding Iraq to al Qaeda and Iran. Even now, he wants to throw a war which is clearly being won and is nearly over. And he relies upon the support of ignorant Americans who can’t remember what happened the last time America tried to take a break from history.

And you claim that Palin is going to get us killed? Hilarious.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:47 am 71. mishu:

Honestly, with the harsh sarcasm of my earlier post aside, I really don’t mind Taylor Marsh writing here. The problem is that she forgets who she is writing to. As earlier posters noted, this is more HuffPo material. She’s not doing herself or her future with PJM any favors by writing pieces that so hostile to the readership here. It would be so much more interesting and informative if she would take on an ambassador type role here and explain what dems are looking for and how Palin would satisfy them. She doesn’t need to write in such an “in-your-face” tone. She’s only going to get it back in spades.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:54 am 72. Terry Gain:

It occurs to me that contrary to most comments on the subject, including my own, Obama does have some executive experience. I refer to the Annenberg Challenge where he served as Chair of the B of D. I would regard this as executive experience.

How did that turn out, Taylor. Anyone?

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:55 am 73. Sotiredofitall:

One concern; she isn’t a lawyer who has never actually practiced law and she isn’t a professional politician. She is obviously not qualified. How dare a commoner pretend to the crown.

This article is a weak joke that says so much about the author.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:55 am 74. John Swaine:

I didn’t find this essay to be too well thought out, it seemed quite vapid. There’s an interesting article to be written on why Palin may be a desperate choice but this wasn’t it.

However I applaud PJM for running it. This point-counterpoint series of articles on topics has embraced what the Blogosphere should be.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:58 am 75. Dane:

“If Sarah Palin was a man she’d be laughed out of the veepstakes…”?

Her qualifications are almost identical to Bobby Jindal, who was a serious contender for the VP slot in the polling here. Certainly she was more qualified than Eric Cantor, who was vetted as a VP pick.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:58 am 76. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Michael Derrer
RE: Indeed

So progressives talk change and Johm McCain said “watch me walk change.” — Michael Derrer

As my old command’s motto went…

Deeds, Not Words. — 22d Infantry Regiment

And speaking in miltary parlance, the McCain campaign has stolen a march on Obaman forces. And a BIG one too.

Obama and the rest of the so-called ‘progressive’ ilk like to talk a lot about ‘change’. But McCain has actually DONE something about it.

And the truth of it is what is scaring the ever-lov’n merde out of Taylor and company. Because reality has smacked them right between their beady little eyes….with a wet mackerel. And it STINKS, too.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Their virtual reality check has bounced.]

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:02 am 77. Lummox JR:

If Obama was wiping McCain off the PR map, how is it that McCain pulled even (and by some estimates ahead) in the polls? McCain has been on offense on PR, delivering rapid-fire attacks at Obama’s weak spots via a series of crushing ads, and it seems they’ve been working. This is the end of August, not the beginning of June, and you may be surprised to learn these things have changed. So that’s reality check #1.

Reality check #2: Self-determination and abortion are not equivalent. Seriously, that’s idiotic no matter how passionate you are about the issue. As an issue this is a lot more likely to sway conservatives than disillusioned Clinton supporters, because this was one of McCain’s weak spots in a conservative base he can’t afford to have sit out the general election. The enthusiastic reaction of Hillary’s supporters so far confirms that this isn’t a hot-button for them. And as VP or even President Palin would have much less influence over this issue than as a Governor.

The lack of foreign policy experience is exaggerated and it’s a minor issue at best. If anything it only helps to highlight Obama’s lack of experience. On foreign policy issues where he’s weighed in at all he’s made terrible gaffes or stuck to bad policies even after it was clear he’d made the wrong call. Foreign policy also ties into defense; ultimately I think this is a loser issue for Dems if they keep harping on it. As for executive experience, Palin can very credibly be said to have more than Obama. “Experience” is a poisonous word for the Obama campaign, and McCain has drawn his camp into an awful honey pot.

I think you’ve misjudged the situation, Taylor. Palin’s positives are enormous, and her negatives are live wires. The Obama campaign has already made the mistake of touching those wires, and his supporters are already dancing madly on the third rail.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:02 am 78. Marilyn:

Alaska girls kick ass

And they don’t scare easy either. Opponents foaming at the mouth do not make them cry. If you have ever been moose hunting, you have been in bear country. Bears are the top predator and don’t care anything for your political cred. There are lots of things I don’t like about Gov. Palin, but she knows who she is and why. Learn more about Alaska, our diversity, our fierce independence, our problems with our economy and cultural conflicts and our sheer size. Ain’t nothin easy about governing this state.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:05 am 79. Louis Wheeler:

You must fight your political enemies on their terms, and, hopefully, on their terrain. If you do not rebut the opponent’s accusations, it is assumed that you agree with them.

It was the Democrats who played the race card and the sexism card in this election. Obama’s only two qualifications are his dark skin and his far left politics. He and Hillary tried to savage each other using Saul Alinski’s “Rules for Radicles.” And Hillary found out, to her dismay, that skin color trumps sex in Leftist politics.

We are moving now into the General Election where a candidate must take over the center to garner the votes of moderate Americans.

Obama is a far left candidate who has to hang onto his Daily Kos/ George Soros voters because they have the money, but he must also appeal to the center left to win. Hence, the Obama/Biden ticket represents a far left/center left fusion ticket. The only people left out are Hillary supporters who are furious at Obama. They will either vote for McCain or not vote at all.

McCain is a centrist candidate; his voting record and political positions, through-out his long career, have been difficult for Social Conservatives to swallow. Many Social Conservatives have vowed to sit this election out. If they do, he cannot win.

Palin is far to the right of McCain. As the successful reform Mayor and Alaskan governor, she has many more years in political leadership than Obama, Biden or McCain. Senators must build a consensus; so there is something slimy about legislators: you can never pin them down.

Governors or Presidents, if they are to accomplish anything, must lead. They must take actions which invite attacks. McCain, besides his liberalism, has to address his age, He needed to have a VP who was presidential in case he died in office and was conservative enough to shore up his base. There were many fine Conservatives who would have done this job well: Pawlenty, Jindal, Thompson, Romney, Giuliani, etc.

What the McCain/Palin ticket does is make it harder for Obama to play the Identity Politics game. That is why the Democrat Party policy gurus are running scared and, consequently, making such extreme accusations. They have a very weak hand against Palin.

The Democrat policy gurus must say that Palin has only seven years executive experience at leading a town or state. Obama and Biden have none.

The policy gurus must say that Palin has no foreign policy experience, but Obama has none, either. They must say that Palin is a political outsider to Washington, while Obama with Biden’s help is the ultimate insider.

What is the next attack on Palin? That her Husband is in a trade Union. That her husband and son are registered Democrats? This is very weak attack, because it shows that Palin is gracious and tactful enough to get along with Democrats. She can even marry and give birth to one.

It is amazing how this election has turned typical partizan politics upside down. Al Gore, at the convention, identified Obama with Abraham Lincoln, a Republican.

Each party is fighting on the other’s traditional turf. This is vastly amusing to us political buffs, but is apt to be confusing to the moderates who have not been paying attention during the election. Many moderate and independent voters do not make up their mind until the last month before November. What are they to make of this?

What the Palin candidacy is, is a game changer. It scraps all the plans that Obama’s advisors had for attacking McCain. They are likely to have no backup plans.

If they use Identity Politics, as planned, on McCain/Pailn, they will lose the debate and perhaps the election. They will appear mean spirited, strident, doctrinaire and out of touch. Those positions do not gain the votes of moderates.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:10 am 80. new4Obama:

Tape this to your cave walls:

Obama 56%
McCain 43%

It is all but over, you pathetic hate-mongers. And after November 4, you are more than welcome to move to Alaska and hunt and hate with your favorite governor…

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:21 am 81. Drew:

“Sarah Palin and I have one thing in common. We both did the beauty queen circuit. I won, she didn’t; though she did Vogue and I didn’t.”

Since when did this become a column about you? Get over yourself.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:23 am 82. Mister Snitch!:

***she’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination***

You’re right, no woman with kids – especially a lot of them – could ever hold an executive position of ANY significance. Kiss that career goodbye, stay at home, bake cookies.

Oh, wait…

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:26 am 83. Ann Ashmore:

John McCain has often said that the Vice President has only two tasks:

1) to inquire about the health of the President every day, and

2)to attend ceremonial events, i.e. funerals.

With that attitude it doesn’t matter what the qualifications of the person are (except maybe to look good & I’ll admit Sarah Palin meets that criteria).

This was a Hail Mary, political pick, and if it fails, the only funeral Sarah Palin may attend as the VP nominee is John McCain’s political funeral. We’ll see.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:31 am 84. dirigible:

I’m sure there are good leftoid arguments to be offered, but obviously we’re not going to get them from Ms Marsh.

In this case, McCain’s choice was deadly. He’s tossed the “progressives” a hand grenade, and they’re fumbling it right now. Why were they caught with their collective pants down? It wasn’t all that big a surprise. Maybe they’re just not very sharp.

Ms Palin and her biography blow the feminist movement to smithereens. She’s a woman – obviously – and nobody’s chattel – equally obviously. And she didn’t need to have an abortion to prove it.

The overriding obsession with abortion policy is not the road to progress. Once women en masse realize this, “the movement” is doomed.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:32 am 85. Jephnol:

Now who’s this John McSame? It’s John McChange we’re talking about here.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:36 am 86. George:

Taylor, you seem to be a True Believer in the Obama Experience. If you look at any of the overviews of state polls, you’d see that the race is indeed very close. That makes statements such as, “It’s his Hail Mary political pass to get some PR going his way, because if McCain didn’t shake this race up he would have been relegated to a footnote of history” a bit, shall we say, desperate?

McCain’s been beating Obama on YouTube the last few weeks, and has been getting more and more media attention. You probably didn’t notice, Marsh, since you’ve been cocooning in the Obama Echo Chamber.

As for desperation, why would McCain risk it all on Palin if he really was desperate? Wouldn’t he go with a more traditional/safe choice if he was desperate, like Romney? You know, kind of like Obama did?

I’m not going to tell you that Palin is an excellent choice for VP, she’s clearly lacking a lot of experience and gravitas that a VP should have. However, she is a very cunning and smart choice by McCain, which is exactly why people like yourself are twisting themselves in knots over it, Marsh.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:43 am 87. Letalis Maximus, Esq.:

It is called the “OODA Loop,” kids. And in the next 60 some odd days, the Dems are going to get a graduate level education in it.

If McCain is as smart as I think he is, that is.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:43 am 88. s sommer:

Both the R’s and D’s should be ashamed of their parties’ “efforts” to lead this country. We face serious issues: the economy, banking system, war, inflation, energy, education, healthcare, infrastructure, care of our veterans. What do the political parties offer us? A bunch of nuts.

Again.

It is a true testament to the backbone of this country that somehow we manage to function despite the inadequacies, egos, lack of seriousness, insane competitiveness, hatreds, prejudices and preening phoniness of our political “leaders.”

Sarah seems like a fairly bright, nice gal, with guts. But, in this day and age, who can seriously propose her for the White House? Who can propose any of the four of them? This is scary.

Is this really the best we can do? Not even going to get started on Pelosi & Reid…

Dark days for independents who try to vote for the most qualified person for the job.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:50 am 89. Akatsukami:

You’ve got those numbers backward, new[sic]4Obama.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:53 am 90. Brian:

“She’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination, which means she’s the conservatives’ darling.”

I stopped reading after I came across this. Nothing to see here.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:53 am 91. Suzanne:

Barack is “tired of the same old politics, the same old Washington players and expecting a different result.” So who does he choose for VP?
This was BRILLIANT. As far as foreign affairs, Palin’s grasp on the geopolitics of Energy is phenomenal.
The Democratic Party, the so-called Party of women, did everything possible to undermine the most accomplished, qualified candidate in favor of the new “Shiny”.
I am 55, and fought the battles of the 1970’s only to see our daughters swoon in a dazed haze over the sweet talkin’ guy.
I’ve always admired McCain, and Sarah Palin…doggone it…I just LIKE her!!

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:06 am 92. mark abrams:

Louis Wheeler, thanks very much for your comment, it’s orders of magnitudes better than the original article . I suppose that is not really saying much so let me be more effusive. I think your comment is intelligent and well presented. I commend it to the editors and suggest that Louis be offered the opportuinity to write the articles while Taylor is relegated to the comments .

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:10 am 93. bc:

The quality, depth of analysis, and quantity of comments posted here speaks volumes about the brilliance of McCain’s decision. I couldn’t be more exited, and I know now, I’m not alone.

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:21 am 94. Matteo:

Palin is pro-a woman’s right to be born. That sounds pretty pro-women’s civil rights to me. Killing ‘em in the womb makes women far less than second-class citizens. Taylor Marsh, what is your major malfunction?

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:22 am 95. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Projection, Anyone?

It is all but over, you pathetic hate-mongers. — new4Obama

See if you can identify the REAL ‘hate-monger’ on this thread.

Three guesses. First two, don’t count….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. And this is just ONE of many examples on the nature of those who support Obama, I’ve found of late.

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:28 am 96. Ray:

One reason Dems are outrages is that she’s never even had a thought about national security. We don’t want someone to get us into another war, this one possibly with Iran, like Bush did with Iraq.

Funny, the Left’s embrace of Cindy Sheehan has been based on the unique prospective and concerns that the mother of a soldier brought to the discussion of war and foreign policy. because her son was a soldier she was qualified to speak on every issue from Iraq to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. We’ve been told that Bush and Cheney weren’t qualified to make life and death decision for other people’s children since their’s weren’t at risk. Now, Sarah Palin, with her eldest on his way to the hot zone, as an infantryman no less, doesn’t have a relevant thought in her pretty little head about all of that confusing national security. The double standard is mindboggling. If there’s a war with Iran, and if Palin has to make a decision about it, she will in all likelihood make a decision to send her firstborn into harm’s way.

Just when I think I can’t deal with Republicans anymore, just when I think they’re too disgusting to hold my nose and vote for, the Dems manage to excavate a new subbasement of hypocrisy.

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:43 am 97. Tom:

Taylor – as with your earlier column re Biden as a choice – this is satire, right? You know, the Titanic is sinking, and if it is not sexist to say so “women and children first”….grab a lifeboat while you can!

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:55 am 98. Tom:

actually i was told by my wife that my former statement WAS sexist, so Taylor I apologize if you got bent out of shape by what I wrote. I picked that up from the MSM.

Aug 30, 2008 - 12:02 pm 99. Cletus:

Taylor, Palin is not anti-women’s right to self determination. I’m sure she believes every woman has the right to make their own way in their life, and do what they want and succeed so long as it harms no one else. Just because she is against killing babies doesn’t mean she is against self determination. Since when did abortion = self-determination?

All women have self determination, which means they have the choice whether or not to have sex, and they have the choice whether or not to use contraceptives during sex. If they choose to have sex without contraceptives, that is their own choice, their “self determination”, and they should live with the consequences. If they don’t want the baby, there is such a thing as adoption. As far as I can tell, most women who are for abortion are for it because they don’t want the responsibility incurred by their choices, or they don’t want to lose their figure. Tough beans.

Last time I checked, ALL HUMANS have the right to self-determination, including children, whether they are born or not.

Aug 30, 2008 - 12:10 pm 100. Kevin:

Did anybody catch the CNBC exclusive yesterday evening of Maria Bartelomo’s one-on-one with soon-to-be Veep Palin? I was impressed. Palin knows in the most intimate of details the issues of oil and energy independence. Her poise and obvious knowledge really set her apart on this most important of issues. There is simply no way the commies..er, Dems will be able to get themselves out of the corner they have painted themselves in. The mean-spirited criticism of McCain’s pick is evidence A that this was a home-run. I can just see Palin looking at the camera, smiling confidently, and responding to Biden and/or Hussein O’s “inexperience” charge with: ” Senator, I have run a town, then a state, and all you’ve ever run was for office!”
Ouch.
Ohio now goes to McCain. PA is now in the running. Florida is locked up. Colorado, NV in play. Iowa, Michigan may even be in play. Electorally speaking, Obama’s chances are virtually nil.

Aug 30, 2008 - 12:13 pm 101. abiodun:

Anyone who thinks a nation that has 3% of the world’s oil reserves but consumes 25% of the world’s oil supply can simply drill in Alaska and become “energy independent”, I have no use for.

Aug 30, 2008 - 12:33 pm 102. abiodun:

So Mr Wheeler, I ssume if Obama is “far left”, Mccain/Palin is “far right”. You must belong to the talibangelic wing of the republican party according to your rant!

Aug 30, 2008 - 12:36 pm 103. Eric:

Wow, I’m shocked by the sheer amount of anger and vitriol expressed by the majority of those who have chosen to comment on this article. While I don’t agree with everything stated in the article, she certainly does hit the nail on the head when she says that the Palin choice is one of desperation, and that Mrs. Palin is inexperienced thus destroying the McCain strategy of questioning Obama’s level of experience. One must look at both sides of an issue before making a decision – an INFORMED decision. McCain is hurting and his choice of Palin was last minute and reactionary, not well thought out. There is only one person he could have chosen as VP that would have assured his winning in Novr. and that is Huckabee. Failing to do that, he selects a sort of female version of Dan Quayle – slightly controversial, but ultimately fades into the background while McCain is in the spotlight. (I mean that allegorically) I live in Dayton Ohio so have access to what the average person around here is saying and everyone (neighbors; people at the grocery store; co-workers) is shocked with McCain’s choice and consider it odd. McCain could have won hands down with Huckabee, and Obama could have won hands down with Clinton, but neither chose the best running mate, so now we can expect a great deal of attack ads, hate speech, misrepresentation, and name-calling from both sides. The American people have nothing to really get excited about or rally around so the turnout may be low. Then again, Democrats and Republicans have become the “same” politically and neither can effectively fix the problems of this nation.

Aug 30, 2008 - 12:39 pm 104. Ed Wallis:

Oh, Taylor, Taylor, Taylor!!!

You simultaneously shock and delight me with your “Palin is so inexperienced” tack.

Since you are telling us not to be feel comfortable voting for a ticket with an “inexperienced” Vice Presidential candidate, why on earth would YOU ever consider (or suggest others should be) voting for the ticket with an inexperienced PRESIDENTIAL candidate?

But DO KEEP UP this approach, PLEASE!!!

It only serves to highlight the mindlessness of Obama supporters.

Aug 30, 2008 - 12:42 pm 105. Crusader:

2 camps panicking over this move:

1. Lefties
2. Republican Old-boy network that hates women

Aug 30, 2008 - 12:47 pm 106. Letalis Maximus, Esq.:

Cletus:

The pro-abortion response to the “women have a choice whether to have sex and whether to use contraceptives” argument is: “Because of the brutal repression of woman by their men, some (many?) women, and particularly the poorest women, do not in fact have any choice with respect to whether to have sex or use contraceptives.” In other words, another one of the many “fringes” arguments that so clouds the abortion debate. And there are many other such fringes arguments: what about rape, what about incest, what about for the health of the mother, what about for the life of the mother, what about very young women who are pregnant, etc., etc.

In fact, the only intellectually honest positions regarding abortion are: 1) life begins at conception or 2) life begins at birth. Otherwise, we are just arguing about the fringes and the “what ifs.”

The truth, though, is that most Americans think abortion is a terrible thing and want it to be as rare as possible. However, like being able to buy a gun if they think they want/need one, most Americans want abortion to available just in case their daughter/grand-daughter gets knocked up an unmitigated piece of shit of a guy. Whether she was raped or just used poor judgment is really beside the point. Very few people are happy about the prospect of raising a pup that was whelped by a stray. That’s just the way it is.

Aug 30, 2008 - 12:55 pm 107. Jim:

Yeah, instead we could have drunk Joe as a VEEP from, dare I say it, another small state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN5khF2i2ek

Joe drunk as a skunk

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:08 pm 108. Scott Somerville:

If John McCain wants to throw a “Hail Sarah!” play, it’s only fair to see if he makes a touchdown. I’m betting he does. Here’s why…

1) There are a lot of “bitter” Pennsylvanians (and Ohioans and Michiganders and even some Minnesotans) who are clinging to their guns and Bibles and antipathy to people with the middle name “Hussein” who are going to love a gun-toting pro-life “take-em-on” beauty queen from Alaska.

2) There are a lot of pro-life Democrats who let Bob Casey, Jr. persuade them to go for Obama in Pennsylvania… and Obama still lost Pennsylvania. He can’t lose it a second time–if the Democrats lose the Keystone State they’ve lost the White House.

3) Joe Lieberman (remember him?) is campaigning for Bush in Palm Beach County, Florida. The Jewish vote is more in play than it has been in a long time. Elderly Jewish women are hard to move to the Republican column, but they vote in DROVES. Who are they going to vote for this year? Color Florida red this year.

4) Evangelicals (like me) went from “maybe I’ll remember to vote this year” to “rent a bus to drag the whole neighborhood to the polls.” That wins Iowa, Kansas, and probably Missouri.

5) Did I mention guns? “God may have made men, but Samuel Colt made them equal.” Colorado and Nevada have been flipping back and forth from pink to blue. America’s coldest state’s hottest governor just moved those states back towards red.

6) African-Americans make up 13.3% of the US population (if you include people like Barack Obama, whose pedigree is limited to Kansas pioneers and African tribesmen). Women make up 53.5% of registered voters. It only takes 22% of America’s women to match 90% of African-Americans. And women are everywhere, while African-Americans tend to be concentrated in states that (surprise!) are already dark blue or red. Nobody is going to change the outcome in Illinois or Mississippi–but every swing state is going to see a surge of activity as women choose which side of history they want to make.

7) Democrats are jumping to play the “judgment” card on McCain. What does it say about McCain that he picked some hockey mom as his running mate? That card plays both ways: what does it say about Obama’s judgment that he let him do it? Obama just dissed 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling and now he’s going to criticize MCCAIN’S judgment?

Oh, yeah… and I can’t wait for them to pounce on Sarah Palin’s church, youth, inexperience, and good looks. I’ll take her brand of Creationism over Jeremiah Wright’s theology any day!

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:13 pm 109. Tom:

gee Eric – All liberal/MSM logic is that the O was supposed to be way ahead at this point, but some polls show mcCain is ahead, so i do not understand where you get the idea that Mc Cain is hurting; If the majority of voters are still swooning over the O should it not show somewhere?

Abiodun – ‘Anyone who thinks a nation that has 3% of the world’s oil reserves but consumes 25% of the world’s oil supply can simply drill in Alaska and become “energy independent”, I have no use for’; so what, you are going to vote for the candidate who doesn’t want to drill instead? it’s like either something vs nothing? I am sure there is some logic in there somewhere?

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:13 pm 110. Dane:

“Anyone who thinks a nation that has 3% of the world’s oil reserves but consumes 25% of the world’s oil supply can simply drill in Alaska and become “energy independent”, I have no use for.”

Drilling offshore and Alaska won’t give us energy independence, granted. But does that mean we shouldn’t do it? Increasing global oil production will lower prices (simple supply and demand). Presumably, shortening the distance the oil has to be shipped will also lower production costs and thus prices.

And even if prices don’t drop (for example, if OPEC reduces their production to compensate) I’d rather create jobs here building and running oil rigs and refineries, instead of sending our money to Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Canada and Mexico.

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:15 pm 111. Mike:

Taylor Marsh…..another DNC shill……

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:19 pm 112. kaba:

I love the smell of liberal fear in the morning. It smells like victory to me.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:19 pm 113. Jim:

Gov. Palin has precisely the same foreign policy experience as the last two Democrat presidents when first nominated. At least Alaska is geographically nearby to foreign countries, while Georgia and Arkansas are far, far away from any of them.

Having run a city the size of Wasilla, Gov. Palin has run something much bigger than either Obama or Biden. True, Biden and Obama know how to talk (in Biden’s case, talk and talk and talk), but neither has actually managed anything.

Gov. Palin will “win” the vice presidential debate. Biden will HAVE to win decisively in order to “win” at all. He’ll either be rude, arrogant, condescending, silly, prattling, boring, or all of the above. In any case, Gov. Palin will only need to appear likable and reasonably well informed, which she will easily do.

Americans do not know Biden (the chattering classes who watch the Sunday morning TV shows notwithstanding) and they won’t like what they see.

McCain pulled off a brilliant move by nominating Gov. Palin.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:29 pm 114. kbdabear:

mac:

BZZZZZZZZZT! You lose, Marsh. Try to have some substance in your next article; that will help a lot.

Why is Taylor Marsh on PJM? My guess is that Lizzie Wuertzel wasn’t available, and they needed a token barbie doll Leftist.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:29 pm 115. SusanL:

“is not a supporter of women’s civil rights. She’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination, which means she’s the conservatives’ darling.”

You know Taylor, there is more to women’s rights than “self-determination” (reproductive choice). Sarah Palin brings much to the dialog surrounding the issues we face and must weigh as we make our decision about who we vote for in November.

I for one am glad to have a woman’s voice and perspective in the mix. I would have preferred Hillary Clinton’s voice, but that was not to be. Worth noting that had Barrack Obama picked Hillary Clinton as his VP McCain would not have picked Palin.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:40 pm 116. Dave II:

“You see, the vast majority of Americans do not vote on issues. They vote on emotions, which can sometimes be tied to issues, but often are just driven by feelings. It’s the emotion that puts voters in the booths to cast ballots.”

Ya think??? With THAT kind of mentality, I can see why liberals selected Obama over Clinton…and why they continue to LOSE Presidential elections after elections!

And it’s EXACTLY why they will lose this one too.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:41 pm 117. fred:

The charge of the McCain campaign being in the throes of desperation smacks of projection and transference. The rest of the rambling commentary reeks with emotional caricature and inaccuracy. No wonder the Left has become so intellectually and morally bankrupt, since mental sloth permeates the environs of the Far Left and the Soft Left.

I’d love to see a debate between “Taylor Marsh” (or whoever the hell she is)and Gov. Sarah Palin. But that would never happen, since this producer of cheap political screeds hides behind untraceable identities would never summon an ounce of courage to accept a challenge like that.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:41 pm 118. DavidN:

“She’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination, which means she’s the conservatives’ darling.”

I guess I missed the latest embarrassed Feminist euphemism for abortion.

I think Palin is a great choice. There’s relatively little chance that she can badly hurt McCain’s campaign, frankly because of her gender. The last VP pick who was an actual drag in the campaign was Quayle, and for that to happen, the media had to pile on for weeks. They do that for half as long with Palin and I think they’ll wind up looking bad as a result. She’s also got a reputation as a fighter, and if she doesn’t back down to those guys, well, it’ll look even worse for them.

Upside, she’s something of a maverick herself. McCain obviously thinks she complements his campaign pretty well, and she’s been one of the few bright spots in Republican politics recently, flirting with dictator-like popularity in Alaska, and reforming the state’s ethics legislation with bi-partisan support. The only blot on her record is that she supposedly tried to get her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper, fired. He allegedly drinks and illegally hunts on the job, and the governor’s sister is going through a bitter divorce and custody battle with him. How many women have tried to keep a drunken boor of a husband from getting the kids? I don’t think that, even if it all proves true, will hurt her that much.

Does this show the McCain campaign is desperate? If it does, they’ve miscalculated. I believe it’s too early to panic yet, as the Republicans haven’t even had their convention yet. It does show, however, that McCain thinks “outside the box” and is willing to take chances. In reality, I don’t think this is much of one. Everyone who speaks of the inexperience issue, who makes much of Palin’s lack of experience as undercutting Obama’s lack of same, misses a point: Obama’s choice of Biden undercuts *his* claim to be bringing change to Washington. Both candidates, by their choices, undercut their attacks on their opponents, by about an equal measure. The question, largely unasked so far, is what sort of campaigner will she be? If she’s a good one, even a pretty good one, then the pick is a bonus for the Republicans and McCain.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:42 pm 119. nick:

apeshit?

we are laughing our a**** off, you morons have no clue how much,

i for one am so happy he picked a right wing religous nut who beleives in creationism!

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:47 pm 120. kbdabear:

Taylor Marsh:

kbdabear – One reason Dems are outrages is that she’s never even had a thought about national security. We don’t want someone to get us into another war, this one possibly with Iran, like Bush did with Iraq.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

Taylor,
I see, a thought about national security is “if we can’t convince them over a cup of tea to love us, we must run away”

Obama and Biden have both proposed an invasion of Pakistan, a nation armed with a nuclear bomb and a population of 200 million. Who’s the reckless war mongerer?

Relying on Biden as a national security “expert” who advocated tri-secting Iraq, an idea so absurd that even the successionist Kurds rejected it is like relying on Kevin Federline as an expert on music theory.

Sarah Palin is CIC of the Alaska National Guard,and she regularly negotiates with Canada on the executive administrator level.

But hey, The One had the Brandenberg Gate speech, that trumps all in the minds of Dems.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:47 pm 121. nick:

fought GOP corruption in Alaska

that dems were trying to clean up for years but were MINORITY party

economic freedom ? like ENRON

we dod NOT hav oil like other countries

crush democracies in the middle east. ?

there AREN”‘T ANY!!

why do you lie so much!!!

the AMERICAN citizens in 2000 VOted AGAINST GOP morons but were scammed by SCOTUS

500, 000 more for GORE!

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:53 pm 122. nick:

Palin is corrupt her self trying to get people fired for her personal reasons.!

and I know how racists the achorage people are

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:54 pm 123. Eric:

Tom = thanks for a polite response :.) To see the name-calling on here is sad. We all differ, but true Americans are able to respect the views of others we disagree with rather than foaming at the mouth and resorting to ad hominem attacks.

Yes, McCain is ahead in some polls, and Obama is ahead in many polls, but the two are tied in even more polls. It all depends on where you take them, what questions are asked, etc… Poll data is skewed toward the poll taker’s biases. I wouldn’t put stock in any poll from either side for who is “in the lead”. The only polls that have a history of being closer to accurate are those which seek the views of people on social and regional issues sans politicians.

Most people don’t post on boards and blogs, so for some to assume national trends based upon them are not scientifically sound. Independent, Liberal, and Conservative people are sick of Media attempting to think for us, or telling us what to think.

The idea that Obama would have a significant lead is based upon the assumption that people are sick of Bush and excited and motivated to kick him and his ilk out. My experience shows that most people are sick of Bush and want his ilk out, but aren’t motivated to even vote at all. The causes for this lack of motivation are multi-faceted. The choice of uninspiring running mates is only going to make the matter worse, and in my view – barring any significant economic or geo-political event – the turnout will be low. Who will win is anyone’s guess. At this point I’d lean more toward McCain for reasons that I won’t state here lest I be called names for telling the truth ;.)

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:55 pm 124. nick:

She supports BIG oil

druil drill drill !

she supports BUSH you morons – that is NO distance

A conservative who reassures the base that McCain actually remembers they exist. ill give you it helps his ATaliban base

A ticket where both candidates have sons on active military duty, giving them an added heft on Iraq and Afghanistan. a wash MOROn with Bidens son

and She supported IRAQ war you MORON

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:56 pm 125. kbdabear:

Taylor Marsh:

Sarah Palin’s soap opera is, however, just one of the bonuses of this boneheaded pick, which comes complete with ethics problems, an investigation, as well as a dishy story made for Court TV.

You’re really reaching with this one, I see you’re reading the talking points. This investigation was initiated by the corrupt politicians in Alaska as a payback and has no meat. The investigation in question is over the firing of Alaska’s Public Safety Commissioner who refused to fire a trooper who
1. Tasered his 11 year old stepson
2. Threatened to kill his father in law (Sarah’s father also)
3, Was busted for drinking while on duty in a patrol car.
Yeh, Sarah’s a real enemy to women for trying to fire a power abusing cop who called in favors from the OLD BOY NETWORK.

With all that, she was fully cooperative with the investigation.

The One is stonewalling investigations into the Chicago Medical Center which gave Mrs Messiah a 160 percent raise and a huge earmark once he became a Senator.

If I were a product of the Daley political machine in Chicago, I’d avoid throwing stones on ethics and corruption.

Unless of course I could bully radio stations and news outlets from ever getting those stories heard by the public.

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:59 pm 126. nick:

why did she do gene test if she was goign to keep baby?

becasue she entertained the notion

executive experience?

what exec experience helped Bush pray tell?

NADA!!!!!!!

and she was only won because of GOP corruption
or she would be nowhere not mgt skills

yes she is in the pocket of big oil look at campaign contributions!!!!!!!!!

you are such morons!

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:59 pm 127. barrybarryquitecontrary.com:

Taylor Marsh – “Sarah Palin is not a supporter of women’s civil rights. She’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination, which means she’s the conservatives’ darling.”

This article is sooooooooo typical of liberal socialist man-haters like Marsh. They think the whole freaking world revolves around their vagina. So, Taylor Marsh says “Sarah Palin is not a supporter of women’s civil rights. She’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination.” You make me want to puke Marsh. You think a women’s civil rights and self-determination to have her baby after being diagnosed with Down Syndrome is not a legitimate right, you make me sick. You and all the haters like you have ZERO moral authority to preach your crap to anyone. You couldn’t carry Sarah Palin’s jock strap, that’s right, she’s a jock!

As far as your Pro-death, Pro-child killing, Pro-infanticide version of “self-determination” I’ll let you in on a secret. If you don’t want a baby, keep your freaking pants on and excercise some self-determination with your reproductive organs. Are all you baby killers that ignorant that you don’t understand how babies are made. Trust me, clear thinking people don’t want you to breed, it really screws (pardon the pun)up the gene pool.

Why don’t you tell all your man-hater, America hater friends they should be pro-choice before they strip butt naked with a stranger they met in a bar and they can CHOOSE to make 7 or 8 intelligent decisions along the un-protected sex continuum BEFORE it comes to the choice of killing the baby you idiot!

Aug 30, 2008 - 2:02 pm 128. Ed Wallis:

“Dane,” Maybe “abiodun” ws trying to tell us all,

it’s silly to drill for oil now, ’cause it will take years to get that oil into the gas tanks of Americans, so the price won’t come down anytime soon…

…and that is why we should go for solar and wind now, so all the cars with empty tanks can windsail around on sunny days starting tomorrow…err…as long as it doesn’t rain…umm…still waitin’ for the breeze….

C’mon, Taylor, JOIN IN! : “…the answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind, the answer is blowin’ in the wiiiiiiind…”.

Aug 30, 2008 - 2:03 pm 129. kbdabear:

Taylor Marsh:
“I won’t even get into the issue that Palin actually believes humans and dinosaurs were on the planet at the same time”

You mean that Hollywood LIED to me that about The Flintstones? I’m devastated

Aug 30, 2008 - 2:10 pm 130. Chester White:

“She’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination”

Yet she seems to have carved her own path pretty well, as opposed to, say, HRC?

Right?

This overrated blogger gets worse every time I read her.

Aug 30, 2008 - 2:12 pm 131. kenth:

Which is more desperate; as a leftist, pretending that leftist stereotypes are truth and denying the awesome choice by the GOP candidate, or the author having to put herself in the article that she was also once a beauty queen so as to make herself feel better?

Aug 30, 2008 - 2:16 pm 132. Eric:

I shouldn’t say this, but I’m going to … Maybe they weren’t, but there’s actually MORE physical evidence to show that dinosaurs and man WERE on the planet together than there is that they weren’t. There are also the many, many recent “shocking” discoveries in China and North/South America of soft dino tissue, and blood with fully intact DNA strands and pigment inside intact flexible blood vessels, as well as healthy feathers found in buried fossils. But scientists for the past century have insisted that fossilization completely destroys and utterly removes all of those things within a period of 10,000 to 100,000 years after death. Okay, enough ranting. I go bye-bye now.

Aug 30, 2008 - 2:27 pm 133. Dane:

“it’s silly to drill for oil now, ’cause it will take years to get that oil into the gas tanks of Americans, so the price won’t come down anytime soon…”

As the probably apocryphal Napoleon quote goes, “Yes, so we must start at once!”

I’m having trouble determining if your post was serious or sarcastic, so I’ll limit my response to that.

Aug 30, 2008 - 2:37 pm 134. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: nick the ____ (fill in the blank)

we are laughing our a**** off, you morons have no clue how much,

i for one am so happy he picked a right wing religous nut who beleives in creationism! — nick

Obviously this person has either dropped out of school or is still in the junior high levels. Notice sophomorics. Notice the lack of capitalization.

Furthermore, I suspect they suffer from multiple personalities syndrome; “we….”. Are there a bunch in the room with them? Or are they all in their head?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Who are we talking to NOW Cybll?]

P.S. Get them and the Queen of England together in a room and you’d have a quite the ’show’. She’d probably be saying, “WE are not amused,” to their ‘laughing their a**** off’.

Aug 30, 2008 - 2:55 pm 135. DAVE:

taylor FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD OF YOU-maybe a mashed potato hit the miss idaho potato crown on the head-are you serious in the belief that obama has any and i mean any experience with anything!-can’t talk without a pre-written speech maybe he’s the one who studders-because we have not heard him speak without a teleprompter-you dems are scared s***less because you cant say same old repubs-sorry for you you man is two points up with the convention GOING ON _SUCKS BEING YOU!!!!!!

Aug 30, 2008 - 3:05 pm 136. Obama wins:

Palin is just a stunt to get the bitter Hillary supporters to betray the Democratic Party and vote for the GOP.

You know the Hillary supporters – older white women with pendulumous tits.

So Palin is a play on the pendulumous vote. That is what this voting block is called. Palin herself is plenty pendulumous after 5 sprogs.

Guess what. Obama doesn’t need this block. He will win, and the Hillary/Palin supporters can go back to their post-menopausal stories.

Obama/Biden ‘08 and ‘12.

Aug 30, 2008 - 3:10 pm 137. John:

This is so silly. Ms. Taylor Marsh is so obviously in a sour grapes mode here, Dumb-O-Crat are twisting in the wind over being upstaged by Sarah Palin. It hardly makes a case for all the negative virtual ink spent here.

Sarah Palin is just the ticket for what we need now. I’m actually in love with this union. I’ve not been so excited since JFK.

Former Democrat.

Aug 30, 2008 - 3:20 pm 138. Ed Wallis:

Dane,

I WAS JOKING.

At least *I* – if not the author – can say that.

Sorry if it wasn’t crystal clear even with the empty-tanks-sailing-in-the-sun bit…I was trying to point out that, while ANWR oil may take awhile, IT’S A START in the right direction…and it’s not as if electric cars, their filling stations, or any other alternative fuel source, is ready around the USA as of tomorrow.

Aug 30, 2008 - 3:22 pm 139. Bill:

Let’s really look at this ambitious woman.
She’s a Republican.
Republicans espouse FAMILY VALUES.
She just gave birth to a Down’s Syndrome infant in April.
The BEST FAMILY VALUE is caring for your children
early on.
So now she’s running for VP?????
So WHAT DOES that decision for VP say about FAMILY VALUES??????????

Aug 30, 2008 - 3:27 pm 140. Lynne B:

wow..all the republican trolls came out in force for this one, I would love to see how many unique IP’s there are here, maybe 5? Well let me tell you something. I am a woman, I would like to vote for a woman, but McCain throwing some inexperienced barbie doll at me does not make me inclined to park all my principles at the door so I can vote for a vagina, what an insulting thing for that old man to do…pass over Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Kay Bailey Hutchison for this woman? OMG, she is under investigation, she thinks it’s cool to shoot animals from helicopters, her claim to fame is being a governor for 18 months in a state that is smaller than many cities in California..sorry that does not impress me..

Aug 30, 2008 - 3:28 pm 141. Judy, NYC:

i wish the hpost slime, marsh in this case, would stay in their small dark, windowless echo chamber, ass kissing rabid islamics, anti-semites, radicals,and the very very stupid. now, they are frantically scurrying and skittering all over the web, just like the rat they worship. this marsh character and barry’s paid posters are supposed to enhance his chances of winning. reality, as the philosophers say, intrudes. palin is such a brilliant choice, and so energetic and smart, a reformer, the first actual really fresh news we’ve had for a long time. marsh, ooze on back.

Aug 30, 2008 - 3:46 pm 142. Ten:

I see Marsh still can’t write, and rhetoric trumps reason. Yawn.

Hang on to that trophy, Taylor, because the other things she has that you do not is a fair mind.

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:02 pm 143. Diana:

What I find the most upsetting about the Palin pick is that her lack of meaningful government experience is a liability for John McCain. I fear that independents, both men and women, will see Palin as a featherweight whose contributions to the ticket are nebulous. I don’t think that Palin will attract the HRC voters and risks disenfranchising the voters on the fence.

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:09 pm 144. Louis Wheeler:

abiodun said
“So Mr Wheeler, I assume if Obama is “far left”, Mccain/Palin is “far right”. ‘

Even far left organizations (Daily Kos, MediaMatters, Firedoglake, etc) acknowledge Obama as the member of the US Senate farthest to the left. Also, this is proved by his voting record.

Biden is a Center Left party hack. This fusion Ticket is Obama’s attempt to move to the center without giving up his far left base. He had to do this to win the moderates, although, Biden may not have been the ideal person to accomplish this

McCain/Palin, as I explained in my argument, is a center/middle right (Social Conservative) fusion ticket. None of the far right candidates, Thompson or Huckabee, won in the primaries. America, according to the polls, is still to the right of the moderate center. McCain is to the left of most American voters while Palin is to the right, but not extremely so.

“You must belong to the talibangelic wing of the republican party according to your rant!”

I have never heard of a “talibangelic wing” of anything.

Nor did I do a rant, because rant implies excessive emotion. I did an analysis of the above article based on my reading of current events. Time will tell who is the most prescient, you or me.

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:10 pm 145. trangbang68:

Hey Taylor, you wouldn’t by chance be the Miss South Carolina of notoriety on You tube for your geography prowess would you? Nah, you’re dumber.

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:14 pm 146. Mike:

Womens right to self determination? This coming from a party that supports abortion, and half of those kids are females you know. How about letting these “young women” determine if they want to survive or not. My son was born a month early and I’d like to hear from the mess-iah just exactly WHEN he thinks my son became human. Oh yeah, I forgot Obama voted to kill infants born alive. My God, that level of infanticide would make Mengele blush. Let’s face it, womens rights only applies to short hair, fat, butch, plaid wearing lesbians from the Castro District of San Francisco. All others need not apply. You know what??? people are starting to acknowledge and talk about that fact and they’re getting pretty Goddamned mad about it.

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:16 pm 147. Dan:

I’m not going to respond the article, because it’s angry, self-serving leftism speaks for itself. I will, however, respond to nick, who wrote:

“why did she do gene test if she was goign to keep the baby?

becasue she entertained the notion.”

This is patently offensive. Number one: gene testing is routine, particularly for a middle-aged woman entering her fifth pregnancy. At her age, the chances of a child having Down Syndrome are roughly 1 in 20.

Number two: if your child were to be born with Down Syndrome, wouldn’t you like to know it first? To prepare – learn new parenting techniques, understand just what Down Syndrome is, etc.?

In general, your posts don’t warrant responses, but baseless attacks can’t go unaddressed.

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:31 pm 148. Swen Swenson:

I won, she didn’t.

Meow!!

Aug 30, 2008 - 5:07 pm 149. PTC:

On the issues- Palin has stated that she would not support abortion even if her daughter was raped. I doubt very much, that when asked these kinds of questions on the national stage, people are going to get in line with her politics. She is a hard core fundamantalist who beleives the gov should teach creationism in public schools, is hard, hard right on choice.

Two years ago she was mayor of some place in Alaska with a population of about 8k, less than one city block. This is a hail mary, big time. It will backfire. She was not properly vetted, has a major investigation going on. Her legislative manner is more inscestuous than the Clintons. Neither one of Alaska’s newspapers has endorsed her for this, calling her “unqualified”. Members of her own party “up there”, have called her unqualified.

She did not have a pasprot until 1997, and has rairly been outside of Alaska. We are in two wars folks. McCain is 72 years of age. This is the worst possible choice he could have made. In fact, it should have been a non choice. Romney would have been much better. “America First”- not with this choice.

Aug 30, 2008 - 5:20 pm 150. PTC:

Shold read…2007. Yes folks, she ahd not been overseas until last year.

Aug 30, 2008 - 5:21 pm 151. PTC:

She does not even have a position on froeign policy. Good god.

Above should read 2007.

Aug 30, 2008 - 5:23 pm 152. cb:

Like most liberal elitists, Ms. Marsh confuses experience and credentials with accomplishment. Aside from running for office, can anyone point to a single thing Mr. Obama has actually accomplished? Hello? Ms. Marsh? Are you there?

Aug 30, 2008 - 5:25 pm 153. radical_moderate:

Sorry Taylor, I’m not quite sure why you blog on PJM, but, and I say this with all due respect, I believe that you lack the intellectual heft to be truly persuasive, although, truth be told, Jesus Christ himself could come on and make his case for being your brother’s keeper, and leaving “unto Ceasar, Ceasars things”, and so forth, and the right wingers here would call him a dirty socialist-commie-Liberal who wants to “redistribute wealth”, LOL. (Psst I think he also knew Bill Ayres)

At any rate, my perfectly rational friend who is worth only 4 million, so is “middle-class” by McCain’s definition was going to vote McCain if he picked businessman Mitt Romney, but I believe that he would have been just as happy with Kay Baily Hutcheson, or Elizabeth Dole…needless to say, he has been ranting since the announcement of Miss Wasilia’s Candidacy. I also find it interesting that serious Conservative thinkers are more probing of the unlikely pick, and far less partisan on the bizarre prospect of Mrs Palin as VEEP (not to mention possible President)…IMO, It is a pick as improbable as Bush 43’s nomination of hapless loyalist friend, Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, which Conservatives, rightly, shouted down… which makes the joy of the rank and file right wing over the pick perplexing to say the least.

From a recent column by Bush 43 speech writer David Frum:

“Ms. Palin’s experience in government makes Barack Obama look like George C. Marshall. She served two terms on the city council of Wasilla, Alaska, population 9,000. She served two terms as mayor. In November, 2006, she was elected governor of the state, a job she has held for a little more than 18 months. She has zero foreign policy experience, and no record on national security issues.

All this would matter less, but for this fact: The day that John McCain announced his selection of Sarah Palin was his birthday. His 72nd birthday. Seventy-two is not as old as it used to be, but Mr. McCain had a bout with melanoma seven years ago, and his experience in prison camp has uncertain implications for his future health.

If anything were to happen to a President McCain, the destiny of the free world would be placed in the hands of a woman who until the day before Friday was a small-town mayor.”

I couldn’t say it better myself. The pick of Mrs Palin by McCain makes mockery of his constant assertion that Obama “will do ANYTHING to win.” I say pot meet kettle.

Aug 30, 2008 - 5:31 pm 154. SteveinTX:

Ah, feminists — the next time one tells the truth, will be the first time.

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:40 pm 155. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Soooooo…..

She is a hard core fundamantalist who beleives the gov should teach creationism in public schools, is hard, hard right on choice. — PTC

I keep hearing this meme. And yet, as is true with all too many ‘progressives’ claims, there doesn’t seem to be much evidence supporting the statement.

Seriously. A few doors down the hall from here, some other ‘progressive’ has been making some outrageous statements about what they think other people have said. But when asked to provide the proof…..

….it isn’t forthcoming.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The main difference between a cat and a lie is that a cat only has nine lives. -- Mark Twain]

P.S. PTC’s—and so many others—assertions is proof of that wisdom…..

….unless they come up with factual proof. And I’m STILL waiting.

P.P.S. I suspect that they’re throwing this ‘fundamentalist’ business around as an effort to scare people by labeling her something that I’ve not seen any proof of.

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:53 pm 156. sk:

Um, do you think you could tear yourself away from your partisanship for just a few minutes?

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:58 pm 157. Terry Gain:

Radical moderate

Your “perfectly rational friend who is worth only 4 million” is not politically astute. And neither are you. The first objective is to win the election. With that in mind, Palin was not only a good choice, she is the best choice. I wanted Romney to be the GOP nominee as I think he would make a better President than McCain. But McCain is running a brilliant campaign and he will be the next President and I am confident Romney will be a member of his cabinet.

Those who say McCain has blown his experience edge are wrong. Every time the Democrats attack Palin’s experience, they will remind fair minded voters of Obama’s lack of experience.

Frum’s alarmist statement that: “If anything were to happen to a President McCain, the destiny of the free world would be placed in the hands of a woman who until the day before Friday was a small-town mayor” fails to take into account that if McCain does not win the election the destiny of the free world will be placed in the hands of a man who who advocates that Iraq be conceded to Al Qaeda and Iran; a man who has denied the effectiveness of The Surge — a man who tells Russia and Georgia to behave when Russia invades Georgia and threatens Russia with the UN.

Frum fails to take into account that an electorate prepared to vote for Obama isn’t concerned about security.

Aug 30, 2008 - 7:00 pm 158. Terry Gain:

“If anything were to happen to a President McCain, the destiny of the free world would be placed in the hands of a woman who until the day before Friday was a small-town mayor.” David Frum former Bush speechwriter
and now NRO columnist.

Small-town mayor? Earlier this week Rich Lowry of NRO was promoting Tom Ridge. I sent him an e-mail asking if he was out of his mind. It’s been a bad week for NRO.

Aug 30, 2008 - 7:16 pm 159. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Terry Gain, et al.
RE: Radical-Moderate

Isn’t that an oxymoron? Perhaps emphasis on the latter part.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Progressive is a one-word oxymoron.]

Aug 30, 2008 - 7:17 pm 160. PTC:

Chuck- Proof that she is hard right on abortion? How about the fact that during her debate for Gov, she stated she was pro life, even in cases of rape, even if it was her daughter. I am not going to bother looking for a link. Palins record on choice is well documented and a huge part of her platform. You can google it, and get over 100 hits… easily.

Aug 30, 2008 - 7:44 pm 161. Louis Wheeler:

The meme being fielded about Mrs. Palin’s lack of experience bothers me. Most politicians have no experience which would prepare them for the presidency.

A leadership position, such as being mayor or the governor of a state is a far better preparation than that of a Senator or Community Organizer. But even then, there is no guarantee of success.

Abraham Lincoln was a small town lawyer and a one time Congressman. He was routinely vilified by his opponents. We celebrate him now as one of the GREAT presidents.

Harry Truman was a failure in almost everything, except as an infantry captain in WW one. The reason that Roosevelt picked Truman as his running mate was that FDR’s administration was being rocked by scandals and Truman had distinguished himself as an honest man in going after political corruption.

Oddly enough, Sarah Palin has the same reputation as Truman’s. She has fought Big Oil and the old boy network. She has fought corruption in Alaska’s Republican party.

Truman had no foreign policy credentials, but he was presented with the problem of the Russian communists taking over Europe in 1948. Truman crafted the “Truman Doctrine” which influenced American foreign policy until Reagan won the Cold War.

What was it that allowed Truman to resist being fooled by the Soviets when FDR, himself, was gulled by Stalin at Tehran? It was Truman’s humble, no nonsense, American values which kept him from being deluded like so many in his and FDR’s administration.

Palin is not naive; she has fought intrenched corruption in Alaska. She has the right values, Truman’s American values, to see her through the trials of her becoming the head of state. She is very smart and articulate. But, more than that, she has a “Servant’s heart.” She is not in politics to get rich or to glorify herself. She is in politics to serve her friends and neighbors.

She is imperfect, but she is not an “empty suit.” It is her virtues and Christian values which drive her into public office. She has served her fellow Alaskans well. That is why she has a sky high approval rating.

Let us hope that she never has to assume the burdens of the Presidency, because it is a killer of a job. Let us not ask for perfection or a flawless resume, because those have hidden scoundrels before.

Instead, Let us celebrate the character and skills which she as already displayed. She has served Alaskans well. She would likewise serve all Americans.

Aug 30, 2008 - 7:53 pm 162. Terry Gain:

A few weeks listening to McCain will make Palin more knowledgeable about foreign-policy than either Biden or the rookie. A few months will make her infinitely more knowledgeable.

The rookie still doesn’t realize that the Surge worked. And he gives no indication that he wanted it to work. These facts by themselves make talk about Palin’s lack of foreign-policy experience nonsensical.

A first requirement of a commander in chief would be to want his country to win wars and to understand the importance of his country finishing a war of strategic significance. And anyone who thinks there will be significant negative repercussions down the road if the mission in Iraq is not completed does not understand the real world.

The war in Iraq is being one and opposition to to the completion of the mission at this stage is purely political.

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:22 pm 163. Terry Gain:

errata

*will not be significant negative*

*one = won *

So much for all my blogging experience. Goodnight all.

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:28 pm 164. Adlyn:

McCain is against equal pay? What are you talking about their are two laws that are already in place to deal with equal pay. Didn’t you do your research?

It’s called “Title Seven” and “The Equal Pay Act.”

Again, do your research.

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:44 pm 165. schnargely:

***she’s rabidly anti women’s right to self-determination***

I was going to write something carefully contructed to answer this horseshit, but all I could come up with was….what the f##k? I mean, what the f##king f%%k are yo talking about?

Aug 30, 2008 - 8:48 pm 166. Dane:

“Palin is just a stunt to get the bitter Hillary supporters to betray the Democratic Party and vote for the GOP.”

I didn’t realize political parties were an “in for life” sort of deal. I’m registered as a Democrat but I’m planning to vote for McCain… am I going to wake up with a horse’s head in my bed next to me.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:07 pm 167. leslie:

I believe McCain and Palin were the only ones that asked for my vote (as a Hillary supporter), Obama in all his ego driven arrogance made me feel like I was a nuisance to his coranation! I like Palin’s story and experience, she came from true working class roots (union member, business owner and child of educators) and has executive experience, Obama never stayed at a job all that long because he was always looking for more admiration.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:47 pm 168. Dean Peters:

I dunno – any article that has to lead off with a 20 year old picture of Palin can’t be all that substantive when effectively accusing McCain’s choice as gratuitous.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:20 pm 169. Nomobama:

Up until recently, I thought that Taylor Marsh was a decent person, but now I know otherwise. Her attacks on those who do not agree with her are what we have all come to expect from the MSM. Bloggers apparently take their cues from the MSM that they mostly criticize, and at times despise. So much for transformational and transcedent news delivery.

Taylor writes as if she is someone that needs constant ego massages (as in her “I won she didn’t comment”). Who they heck cares about that anyway? Many of her blogposts are peppered with comments similar to “I have been saying this for months”, or “but nobody is listening to me”. Her ego seems as big as Barack Obama’s. Taylor’s comments are an indication that the issues that she supposedly cares about are secondary to her own personal ambitions. It’s not all about you Taylor Marsh.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:21 pm 170. James Downing:

What a wonderful choice in Gov. Sarah Palin for VP! Gov Palin balances the ticket beautifully and is the best person to aid John McCain as Vice President in his administration to run our country well. She brings in a distinguished record of executive experience – running a successful and popular government in Alaska. She has a record of clean government, reduction in spending and bipartisan dealings. An ideal ticket has 1 person who brings in Washington experience – experience with foreign policy, national security etc. while the other brings in executive experience – that of running a government. All major tickets, especially winning tickets in the last 4 decades or so have had such a combination. The Democratic ticket has no experience in running a government smoothly whatsoever.

As for the argument of experience – it is by no means of the table! It says a lot when the nominee for President is comparing his resume with the opposite parties nominee for VP! The VP position does lend itself to on the job training, but the office of President most certainly does not, like Joe Biden himself said. And anyway there is a world of difference between running for President and running for VP. The question of her becoming President and being capable/incapable of doing that arises only if something unfortunate were to happen to President McCain in the next 4 years. Obama could be President in under 4 months! Anyone who believes that Gov Palin is too inexperienced to be VP cannot even dream of Obama as Potus. I’m guessing we wont hear much from the Obama campaign this fall about the (in)experience of Sarah Palin – they would just be shooting themselves in the foot.

I however believe Gov. Palin is definitely ready to be VP, and even the President should such an unfortunate event arise. She has an amazing track record of running a Government and would certainly be able to do the job well atleast to serve out President McCain’s term. Anycase by all indications Sen. McCain’s health will be fine for atleast 4 years.

Also she has been the Governor of a state (a small state perhaps but a state none the less) and the Commander-in-Chief of a State National Guard (again, a small force perhaps but a force none the less). This alone put her as having more experience than the Democratic Ticket combined as neither of the 2 people on that ticket have any experience running a government or any experience of commanding an army (the person on the top of the ticket has no experience of being in an army, let alone commanding it!). Who would you rather have as CIC? For me its a clear choice – Palin. People ask whether you want to have Palin as CIC if anything happens to McCain – I ask whether you want to have Obama as CIC if anything happens to Biden (him not being there to mentor him and hold his hands every step of the way) or want Biden as CIC if anything happens to Obama. All this talk about heartbeat away really gets me – I would rather have Palin a heartbeat away from the Presidency than Obama at the Presidency! Also Nancy Pelosi is 2 heartbeats away from being CIC – now thats scary!!

I do not agree with people saying that the selection of Gov. Palin is a blatant attempt to get the women voters to vote republican this year. Anyone saying that is really insulting the intelligence of both the McCain campaign and more importantly the women of the country. I would ask all of you, especially women, to vote for the ticket not because of the gender of the VP candidate, but because this is the best ticket for a successful America for the next 4 years. Vote for Gov. Palin not because she is a women but because she is more than capable for the job of VP. None of us knew much about Gov. Palin till yesterday and I must admit that I was at first skeptical when I heard Sen. McCain’s pick. I did some research on her and liked what I saw. I hope all voters would do the same so that they would realize Gov. Palin is not on the ticket just because she is a woman, she is on the ticket since she would be an excellent VP with the executive experience she brings in. I am sure that as this campaign progresses and people get to hear more about her and her achievements, the initial backlash from some quarters (’an insult to women thinking they will vote republican simply there is a woman on the ticket’, or ‘a pretty face totally incapable of taking tough decisions’) will evaporate and people will vote for Gov. Palin and Sen McCain on the basis of their combined experience and achievements.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:29 pm 171. compugor:

This is a perfect opportunity to coin a new term: trollomnist

trollomnist (n) – a provocative yet irrelevant blog article originator who then posts to the comments thread to exacerbate the initially generated annoyance.

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:28 pm 172. Russian Bear:

Well, the USA Presidential election compaign is lot of fun.
I am not that mean to wish the Old Guy heart attack or stroke. No way. But in 72 everything is possible. The most curious thing would be to see this lady the USA President and the Commander in Chief. And if she falls on duty, you will still have another substitute- Nancy Pelosi…
If Condy Rice keeps her post, your just need a female for the Secretary of Defense and that will be America the world will fall in love with…

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:30 pm 173. Bridget:

It’s beyond desperate… it’s also insulting and irresponsible and shows a tremendous lack of judgement on mccains part. I wonder if he heard clearly – he wasn’t asked for his nomination for the vice presidency of waskill, alaskas school board…this is the nomination for the freaking vice president of the united states!!!

Irresponsible.

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:51 pm 174. Bridget:

el gordo:

Any attempt to smear Palin as the “token” woman must draw attention to the fact that she has actually done more in Alaska than Barack Obama has in Chicago. Like, shown some initiative and integrity.

Aug 30, 2008 – 3:28 am

Elgordo – do you moonlight as a commedian? If not, you definitely should.

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:52 pm 175. Bridget:

Are you pissed that she chose life instead of convenience? Especially when she chooses to keep a baby who will face challenges?

NO, I could care less about her personal situation – it’s irrelevant. I’m bothered because she wants to outlaw abortion in ALL circumstances – even in the case of rape or incest. That’s extremist and way out of the mainstream.

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:54 pm 176. compugor:

Ah, another opportunity – to respond to the abortion in the case of rape or incest argument,
as quoted from http://www.christiananswers.net/q-sum/q-life005.html:

Despite its forceful appeal to our sympathies, there are problems with this argument.

1. It is not relevant to the case for abortion on demand, the position defended by the popular pro-choice movement. This position states that a woman has a right to have an abortion for any reason she prefers during the entire nine months of pregnancy, whether it be for gender-selection, convenience, or rape.[3] To argue for abortion on demand from the hard cases of rape and incest is like trying to argue for the elimination of traffic laws from the fact that one might have to violate some of them in rare circumstances, such as when one’s spouse or child needs to be rushed to the hospital. Proving an exception does not establish a general rule.
2. Since conception does not occur immediately following intercourse, pregnancy can be eliminated in all rape cases if the rape victim receives immediate medical treatment by having all the male semen removed from her uterus.[4]
3. The unborn entity is not an aggressor when its presence does not endanger its mother’s life (as in the case of a tubal pregnancy). It is the rapist who is the aggressor. The unborn entity is just as much an innocent victim as its mother. Hence, abortion cannot be justified on the basis that the unborn is an aggressor.
4. This argument begs the question by assuming that the unborn is not fully human. For if the unborn is fully human, then we must weigh the relieving of the woman’s mental suffering against the right-to-life of an innocent human being. And homicide of another is never justified to relieve one of emotional distress.

Although such a judgment is indeed anguishing, we must not forget that the same innocent unborn entity that the career-oriented woman will abort in order to avoid interference with a job promotion is biologically and morally indistinguishable from the unborn entity that results from an act of rape or incest. And since abortion for career advancement cannot be justified if the unborn entity is fully human, abortion cannot be justified in the cases of rape and incest. In both cases abortion results in the death of an innocent human life.

Of course this is a contentious issue not to be resolved any time soon. Nevertheless credit goes to Sarah Palin for her position based on principle instead of “mainstream” pandering. Certainly many will disagree and not vote the McCain-Palin ticket for that reason; but for McCain it was an excellent choice to sure up the conservative base. There’s no way he will get the “babykillers for Obama” vote anyway. We shall see in November what is “mainstream”.

Aug 31, 2008 - 12:27 am 177. Ex Marshan:

““Disaffected Hillary voters,” McCain concocted myth or not, are here to stay.”

HA! You have finally accepted that we are not 3 republicans, nothing to worry about? Wow, what took you SO long? Must have been that astute politically ANALYTICALROFL

“Let’s face it, Obama was wiping McCain off the PR map.”

Well, let’s see, in the year that was the democrats to lose, after 8 years of Bush, Obama can’t get break 50% – they’re even. Taylor, you think that “political analysis” (whenEVER you write that about yourself, I just CRACK up!) means regurgitating the party line. Taylor, that’s NOT analysis.

“You see, the vast majority of Americans do not vote on issues.”

Well, DUH, that’s why almost half of the democrats voted for Obama. The presidency is not a place to be putting an identity candidate, sorry.

Aug 31, 2008 - 12:39 am 178. Danny:

Eric, you are right – you shouldn’t say that. That said all the candidates at least claim to be religious, I can’t see how Palin can be hounded for taking her religion to it’s logical conclusion… As long as she doesn’t try and ram creationism down people’s throats – or at least those who don’t want it rammed – then last time i checked the US is a democracy and you are allowed to believe whatever you want just like Ms Marsh has the right to believe Obama will make a great president, you are allowed to believe dinosaurs walked with humans despite the mountain of evidence against both propositions.

Aug 31, 2008 - 12:44 am 179. Ed Wallis:

NOTE TO “leslie” 9:47pm and “dane” 9:07pm
regarding Democrats/Women voting for McCain/Palin

I don’t know if you have also been following the “partner article” (“Why Palin is a fabulous choice”), but this is an excerpt from it:

“Palin is just a stunt to get the bitter Hillary supporters to betray the Democratic Party and vote for the GOP.
You know the Hillary supporters – older white women with pendulumous tits.
So Palin is a play on the pendulumous vote. That is what this voting block is called. Palin herself is plenty pendulumous after 5 sprogs.
Guess what. Obama doesn’t need this block. He will win, and the Hillary/Palin supporters can go back to their post-menopausal stories.”
by Obama wins – Aug 30, 2008 – 1:11 pm

JUST WORDS? DON’T TELL ME WORDS DON’T MATTER!

heh.

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:26 am 180. sharon Jones:

Has Mr.McCain left his brain somewhere?
I am offended that he would, so arrogantly, minimize the importance of the role of the Vice President by suggesting an inexperienced, bossy, very narrow minded, moose hamburger eating PTA queen for the role of Vice President. This is offensive to both women and men who have to work long hard years to move into higher positions in their careers. This is offensive to all the articulate, experienced candidates that could have served the Republican party and this role. The US will have enourmous challenges ahead between the economy, ecology and very fragile world arena. Leadership isn’t about a nice family pic-nic in the park or about how good you fish or shoot a gun. It is so much more and the Republicans should be ashamed of this offensive move to make our office of the presidency even more ridiculous than it already is…..

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:32 am 181. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: A Dumb Swipe

It seems that Glenn ‘Instapundit’ Reynolds, a professor of Law, has taken exception to the idea—espoused here—that Governor Palin, being the senior executive of the Great State of Alaska, and thereby the Commander-in-Chief of her state National Guard, should be considered of ANY significance in compare and contrast with Senators Obama and Biden in the forthcoming election.

You can see his contempt for this idea….
….here.

But here’s the germane text, anyway….

A DUMB PRO-PALIN TALKING POINT is that she is the commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard. All governors are in charge of their states’ National Guard units, and their actual responsibilities in this regard are generally pretty light. — Glenn Reynolds

I understand that he’s a professor of Law. And I suspect he might hold the National Guard forces of this country in some degree of contempt as ‘part-time soldiers’. But having worked in the active and reserve components and evaluating the latter in the 13 states that made up my organization’s area of operation, I don’t. Indeed, there were occasions when I wished to GOD that I’d had some of these men in MY command.

As for the governor’s responsibilities and duties as the chief executive of a state, where I live, the state constitution reads as follows:

Section 5. Governor commander-in-chief of militia.

The governor shall be commander-in-chief of the military forces of the state, except when they shall be called into actual service of the United States. He shall have power to call out the militia to execute the laws, suppress insurrection or repel invasion.

I take umbrage at the professor’s representation that being governor is unworthy of ANY military experience and I said so in a letter to him a little while ago.

Here is the text of the letter to Professor Glenn Reynolds….

“A DUMB PRO-PALIN TALKING POINT is that she is the commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard. All governors are in charge of their states’ National Guard units, and their actual responsibilities in this regard are generally pretty light.” — Glenn Reynolds

Are you saying that the governor of a state is NOT the senior most political executive of their National Guard formations?

I suggest that as a professor of Law you should remember who is the chief executive of a state. And who the Adjutants General of the state National Guard State Area Commands (STARCs) are appointed by and who they respond to until such time as the federal government calls them to duty.

And, as the commander in chief of HER state National Guard, she has had more experience with the military than Senator Obama has. Or could you please tell me which person the Senator has selected and appointed to be a general officer? Recognized by the federal government?

Admittedly, too many governors do not take their duties as such seriously, witness the fiasco in Louisiana with Katrina where the Louisiana Adjutant General and the former governor Kathleen Blanco (D) allowed their primary National Guard formation, the 256th Brigade Combat Team (Mechanized), to be sent off to Iraq during the hurricane season. Talk about REAL ‘dumb’. [Note: It would have been easy to plan their deployment to begin at the end of the season.]

You can call it ‘dumb’ to think of a state’s governor as the ‘commander-in-chief’ of their states military power, it’s your prerogative. But in all honesty, it IS true. And failure to perform their responsibilities in that capacity CAN lead to disaster. Or are you denying that as well? History has already proven you wrong, if you are.

And if you don’t care for the truth….well……..that’s what I call REAL ‘dumb’, professor

Regards,

/s/

I would hope that the good professor has learned a think from this. As well as a few others….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.]

P.S. I suspect that the other 10% involves making yourself less ‘dumb’.

Aug 31, 2008 - 4:29 am 182. Ed Wallis:

THANK YOU, “Sharon Jones,” for suddenly showing everyone how much EXPERIENCE means to Democrats.

- pauses -

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

“…bossy…” HOW SEXIST!

“…very narrow minded…” BASED ON exactly WHAT…?!

“…moose hamburger eating…” HOW REGIONALIST! YOU NUTRITIONAL DETERMINIST!!

“…PTA queen…” HOW ANTI-EDUCATIONIST! YOU LOOKIST!

McCain/Palin ‘08!

Aug 31, 2008 - 4:29 am 183. Danny:

I assume you are outraged that Obama got the nomination then? Given he has zero experience and when he has spoken on foreign policy he has been demonstrably wrong – Iraq surge anyone?

Aug 31, 2008 - 4:34 am 184. Chuck Pelto:

TO: PTC
RE: No

Chuck- Proof that she is hard right on abortion? — PTC

Proof that she’s a ‘fundamentalist’ who wants the “gov to teach creationism”.

Why is it ALL of you so-called ‘progressives’ have trouble communicating. That includes READING English.

And by the by, your sentence structure is evidence that you recently graduated from high school….or that you haven’t. Since when do you mix two different topics (1) ‘fundamentalist’-'creationism’ and (2) abortion in ONE sentence.

Gee…my bad for thinking you knew how to write. Eh?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[In the blogosphere the blogs are full of people that haven't learned to write and evidently can't read. If they could read their stuff, they'd stop writing.]

Aug 31, 2008 - 4:42 am 185. Terry Gain:

sharon Jones

Use the same logic to scrutinize the candidacy of Obama. He wanted to concede Iraq to al Qaeda and Iran. Even now he doesn’t understand, or is not prepared to admit, that the Surge worked.

Even though it’s now clear that the mission will end successfully if completed, he doesn’t have the foreign policy intelligence or experience to understand that the mission should be completed.

I heard Obama say that the Anbar Awakening began after November 2006. Given the importance of the Anbar Awakening to the turnaround in Iraq (coupled with the surge in American and Iraqi forces) how is it that someone running for POTUS does not know it began in early 2006?

And how is it that people who support this uninformed about Iraq candidate can suggest with a straight face that Palin is not experienced enough to be VP?

If you are at all concerned about security Obama will never be “experienced” enough to be POTUS.

Obama took a position on Iraq for partisan political purposes. His position is now clearly untenable but he’s sticking to it.

Obama is a far left, U.N Permission Slip, loon. The suggestion that he would be prefrable on defense to Palin, or any conservative, is lunacy.

Aug 31, 2008 - 4:58 am 186. Senior voter:

Regarding your concern of Palin’s lack of experience…
I’ll take the character, guts, values and gubernatorial skills of a Palin thrust into the Presidential position (should something happens to McCain) over the liberal, inexperienced, government-should-fix-everything Obama
(absentee senator for most of his term).

Aug 31, 2008 - 5:47 am 187. Louis Wheeler:

It’s really amusing how odd the Democrats are acting toward Palin’s selection as McCain’s running mate. Whatever happened to, “Anyone in America can grow up to be President?”

Now, the Democrats say that you have to be an expert; you have to be a part of the establishment; you must have experience.

The funny thing is that the Democrats used to value the “dark horses” and the “outsiders.” They used to value the “reformers,” the “muck rakers” and the “trouble makers.” They used to value the small town, born in a log cabin, candidate who served his or her fellow citizens well by going after the elitist, power hungry and politically corrupt Big City political machines.

That was why they valued Harry Truman, as an honest American in a sea of corruption and partisan favoritism.

Why can’t the Democrats do that now?

It’s simple. The Democrats have become the party of corruption. They have become the party of graft. Obama’s experience shows this in the Chicago political machine. Obama served on the board of the “Annenberg Challenge” where hundreds of millions of dollars intended for improving education were redirected into the hands of the politically corrupt.

Obama talks about reform and change, but he was a part of one of the most politically corrupt institutions in America, and did nothing to correct it.

The Democrat elites fear Palin because she is what Obama pretends to be. She is substance while Obama is style and vapor. Obama talks the talk of reform and change while being cozy with Big City grafters.

Palin is reality; Obama is illusion. No wonder that those who delude themselves resent her.

Fortunately, the deluded are few in numbers. Most Americans will see through the chimera that the Democrat party bosses and the Mainstream Media will throw up about her.

The interesting thing about illusions is that they must go unchallenged. Once the vale of illusion is pierced, it can never be rebuilt. Once people start to see through Obama, they will turn away in disgust. So, attacking Palin, who is real, is quite dangerous for the Obama campaign. If they attack her too strongly, they will be the ones damaged.

Aug 31, 2008 - 6:27 am 188. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Louis Wheeler, et al.
RE: Say What???!??!

Whatever happened to, “Anyone in America can grow up to be President?” — Louis Wheeler

That saying was NEVER a part of the Democrat Party’s axioms. If you study history, you’ll see that is true….with the possible exception of Harry S. Truman.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Aug 31, 2008 - 7:15 am 189. jdwill:

Just perusing. Keep up the good fight, Chuck.

BTW Maureen Dowd was actually funny today:

“Back off, Commie dude,” she says. “I’m a much better shot than Cheney.”

And, did you know that Alaska has a larger budget (32nd in 2007) that Arkansas (37th in 1991). So Bill’s experience and Sarah’s are very comparable.

Aug 31, 2008 - 8:21 am 190. trangbang68:

Nick,
druil, drill, drill… Nice job Einstein spelling the same word right and wrong in the same sentence.
Don’t have to worry about your vote. Voter registration card; name: Niock. Freakin’ idiot.
Brigit,
If Palin’s abortion stance is way out of line with the mainstream what about Obama’s that a child who survives an abortion should be placed in a room to die of neglect. I doubt that’s a mainstream position in 1930’s Germany.

Aug 31, 2008 - 8:29 am 191. Louis Wheeler:

Chuck Pelto: said:
“TO: Louis Wheeler, et al.
RE: Say What???!??!

Whatever happened to, “Anyone in America can grow up to be President?” — Louis Wheeler

That saying was NEVER a part of the Democrat Party’s axioms. ”

That’s funny. It was when I was a member of the Democrat Party before 1976. I was a member for almost twenty years. Of course, that can be explained by that I was a “Scoop” Jackson Democrat. The Progressives that you knew may not have been saying that.

One of the axiums of the Democrat party before the twenties was, “Equal rights for all; Special privileges for none.” It merely shows how much tradition that the party had to throw away to become Progressive.

And how much more it had to give up to become the New left, McGovern, Elitist that it is today.

“If you study history, you’ll see that is true….with the possible exception of Harry S. Truman.”

Perhaps you only read the special Socialist versions of the history books, like Howard Zinn’s, “A people’s history of the United States.”

http://www.amazon.com/Peoples-History-United-States-Present/dp/0060838655/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220196439&sr=8-2

I agree that it is not in THAT history book. But, what really is?

Fortunately, I read the non-socialist history books like Paul Johnson’s, “A history of the American people.”

http://www.amazon.com/History-American-People-Paul-Johnson/dp/0060930349/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220197218&sr=8-1

Aug 31, 2008 - 8:42 am 192. Louis Wheeler:

Adlyn, anyone who believes in marketplaces is against “Equal pay for women,” because if a women is worth more, she should be paid more. If she is worth less to an employer, she should be paid less. A law that gives unqualified women extra money, guarantees that fewer of them will be hired. That is not prejudice, it’s economics.

The issue that feminists ignore is that women routinely take off from six to ten years to have children. This is a personal choice to do so, but the parenting skills she learned while she was bearing and raising children are not useful for most businesses.

This means that a mother must start again at a lower wage because she does not make her employer as much money as if she had never had children. This is why women who never marry and remain employed make 95% of what single men do.

The greatest differential is between married men and married women. Why? Because married men have wives to do for them. They can work 60 hour weeks, because they have a wife’s support. No wonder then that married men make half again more than single men.

It is the single men who should be crying prejudice, but they don’t. Why? Because they recognize that our personal choices and habits can effect our value to our employer. The more money that an employee makes for his boss; the more money he or she gets paid to keep them from leaving.

Aug 31, 2008 - 9:08 am 193. compugor:

As long as we’re veering off topic a bit, allow me to suggest that you read this article
“The Audacity of the Democrats”; it provides an incisive recent historical perspective: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/the_audacity_of_the_democrats.html

Many will see the cold, hard truth to it; it will piss the trolls off big time with the realization of what they are a part of (and a party to).

Aug 31, 2008 - 9:25 am 194. SBVOR:

It’s hard to take Taylor Marsh seriously when she thinks ANWR is spelled ANWAR.

Yeah, I know. Spell checking is petty. But, misspelling ANWR is just over the top ignorant.

Maybe Ms. Marsh should read up on both Palin and ANWR:
http://sbvor.blogspot.com/2008/08/palin-on-anwr.html

Aug 31, 2008 - 10:01 am 195. Pelayo:

Since when does being a spectator in a Senate committee give someone “foreign policy experience?” I watch the Discovery Health Channel, does that give me any medical experience? Has Biden ever negotiated a treaty or an agreement of any kind? Biden has visited several countries; I have visited several hospitals and I still am not a doctor.

Palin is not about PUMAS, her selection is about the Republican base, bitter gun clingers like me.

Aug 31, 2008 - 11:03 am 196. Texas Gal:

Sarah Palin and I have one thing in common. We both did the beauty queen circuit. I won, she didn’t; though she did Vogue and I didn’t.

And she went on to be the Governor of Alaska and you didn’t, now she is the VP pick for the GOP ticket and you’re not… LOL.. that’s really your issue with Palin isn’t it?

Frankly Taylor, you’re the one showing disrespect for women in general by selecting that picture of Palin. Did your life achievements end at that beauty queen contest or was that just where you stopped matching Palin’s achievements?

Aug 31, 2008 - 11:38 am 197. Su Do Nim:

Perhaps you vote on emotions, but I would be interested to see some statistics to back up your statement. That’s a “typical” liberal trick. Toss out some made-up factoid, and hope that no one questions it.

Well – I question it! I do not believe that the “vast majority” of Americans vote based on emotion. (Although, I would not question it if you said that the “vast majority” of liberal Democrats do.)

Anyway, if you really don’t want to sound as stupid as you do, I would suggest that you stop assigning your own weaknesses to the rest of us.

Everyone I know is voting on issueS. Note the “S”, there? That’s another difference between Reps and ‘rats – most of the Republicans I know and read look at all the issues, while the Democrats I read would be perfectly willing to vote for Hannibal Lechter, if he held their opinion on _____ issue.

Aug 31, 2008 - 11:55 am 198. Dr. Frank Lippenheimer:

” … thinking about John McCain’s pick for vice president is absolutely frightening to me”

But what? You’re fine with Obama? What an idiot. Palin may not have won “her” beauty contest (and that catty comment improved your argument how?), but she has in abundance something that both you and Obama apparently lack entirely: strength of character.

Aug 31, 2008 - 12:30 pm 199. ProgMeister:

Even if SCOTUS overturned Roe v Wade …

you doofus … the Supreme Court hears cases other than abortion; if you can’t see the problem of the omnipotent executive after eight years you’re unqualified to even mention the goings-on at the SCOTUS, much less opine on them

Looking at this Palin fiasco, I think some of America has seen one too many episodes of American Idol and The Apprentice

The rest of America is going to deal Johnny a crushing defeat in Nov for this cynical attempt at playing with their dicks; her damn mother-in-law isn’t even sure who she’s going to vote for … let’s wake up, folks

Aug 31, 2008 - 12:36 pm 200. Louis Wheeler:

Payayo said:

“Palin is not about PUMAS, her selection is about the Republican base, bitter gun clingers like me.”

I tend to agree. Palin is not reputed to have been a quick pick like Biden was for Obama; John McCain has been thinking about her as a running mate for six months. Why? There are many reasons.

First, Because Palin can address Identity Politics issues that McCain is vulnerable to. This election revolved around racism and sexism on the Democrat Party side and McCain was the next target. Much depends on how the democrats address Palin’s candidacy. The Obama campaign is still floundering about on that.

Obama’s strategists have had over four months to plot an attack on McCain. If McCain had selected a white man as his running mate, as expected, Obama would have given us a racist campaign. Any criticism of Obama would be viewed as a racist slur. That tactic had already started before the convention.

If McCain had chosen a Black man, like Michael Steele, then his running mate would be dismissed as an “Uncle Tom.”

But a white woman married to a Native American is much harder to attack. If the Obama campaign attacks her viciously or demeaningly then, they run the risk of pushing women out of the Democrat Party. The PUMA’s would merely be the first to go.

The second, and real reason, is what she offers to the Conservative base. She is a Conservative who “walks the walk.”

She is a very effective and articulate speaker. She is not awkward without a TelePrompTer like Obama is nor does she ramble mindlessly the way Biden does. Her videos show her to be direct, personable and persuasive.

She would bring back the Social Conservatives who were threatening to sit out the election.

More than that, she appeals to the most important social group supporting the Global War on Terror: the Jacksonians. Any woman, who hunts moose, rides motorcycles and was the point guard for her high school basketball team, is their kind of gal. This is important because the Global War on Terror will probably last for twenty years or more.

There is a great deal more to learn about her, but her fellow Alaskans give her a 80% approval rating. This is no small thing.

McCain is likely to have her out in front over the next two months taking the heat. Why? He has a right to be tired; it has been a long campaign. Next, she provides a fresh face. She can shore up McCain’s credentials with the Conservatives, but only if McCain uses her in the same as Bush used Cheney: as his mouth piece.

Conservatives need to believe that she will be McCain’s Karl Rove on many issues. That means that McCain must publicly acknowledge that she has influenced him on major issues. That keeps her from being neglected.

She alluded to that on one of her videos: that unless she had a major role to play in the McCain administration, she would rather remain as the Alaskan governor. She knew exactly what the Vice President does; it is a job that can be meaningless or vital. Bush made Cheney almost a co-chief, his right hand man, his attack dog.

It looks now that Palin was negotiating for the same type of influence. She must have received reassurances that this would be her role. If she is, then she wins, the conservatives win and America wins.

Aug 31, 2008 - 12:56 pm 201. ProgMeister:

But a white woman married to a Native American is much harder to attack.

no attack needed … she will implode all on her own; but if this choice is so good, why be concerned about attacks?

but her fellow Alaskans give her a 80% approval rating. This is no small thing.

of course it’s small thing … that happened in a small state, from a small sample, on a small record

Conservatives need to believe that she will be McCain’s Karl Rove on many issues. That means that McCain must publicly acknowledge that she has influenced him on major issues. That keeps her from being neglected.

yeah? we making sure that SP’s self-esteem is kept intact? or electing the potential leader of the free world?

McCain is likely to have her out in front over the next two months taking the heat. Why? He has a right to be tired; it has been a long campaign.
you’re saying this with a straight face? he’s going to have a lot of time to rest starting Nov 5

that unless she had a major role to play in the McCain administration, she would rather remain as the Alaskan governor.

damn straight on that; what Miss Congeniality wants Miss Congeniality gets … why should she have to take any crap from some weak-kneed POTUS?

Aug 31, 2008 - 1:28 pm 202. trangbang68:

Progmeister, What a lame, …playing with men’s dicks. That was a really enlightened comment,
You’re the meister so that’s okay. it seems to me the ones with the genital fixation are liberal girlymen in the media like Oberman, Matthews and Sullivan. Obama better not bend over to pick to pick up the soap with those boys in the room.

Aug 31, 2008 - 1:51 pm 203. Ed Wallis:

ProgDeppLoser: “no attack needed … she will implode all on her own; but if this choice is so good, why be concerned about attacks?”

I think The Obamboozler has done a MI-TEE FINE job of imploding his own “brand”…can you say “auf wiedersehen, HERR LOSER”?! YES, WE COULD!!! (repeat ad infinitum, ad nauseum…)

ProgDeppLoser: “of course it’s small thing … that happened in a small state, from a small sample, on a small record”

SOOOOoooo, it’s a BIG F**K YOU to one of our 50…err…I mean, per YOUR MESSIAH, 57…States?! I’D WAGER ALL FIFTY HURL A BIG F-U BACK ATCHA!!!

ProgDeppLoser: “you’re saying this with a straight face? he’s going to have a lot of time to rest starting Nov 5″

…yeah, yeah…and The Obamboozler can start shining my shoes (oh, that’s RAAAAACIST!! not at Harvard, it ain’t…) on the 5th, especially since he’ll be doing as little AFTER the election as he has BEFORE THEN

ProgDeppLoser: “damn straight on that; what Miss Congeniality wants Miss Congeniality gets … why should she have to take any crap from some weak-kneed POTUS?”

Thanks for sharing your gender-sensitive thoughts. But, among the two, I’d say The Obamboozler was the, ahem, “weak-kneed POTUS.” (MY, but you have A WAY with words, child!)

Aug 31, 2008 - 1:55 pm 204. Sandra M:

Governor Sarah Palin is an expert in the weapons we need to defeat our enemy. Not guns — oil and natural gas. If we start drilling full bore, the price of oil will drop like a stone and the Russians, Iranians and Venezuelans will be in a world of hurt, unable to any longer finance their totalitarian aspirations.

McCain has made an absolutely brilliant choice in his choice of VP. She is persuasive on THE issue that is most important nationally and internationally.

Lastly, this was a very poorly written article. By contrast, some of the comments were absolutely brilliant. I wish PJM would number them thereby making it easier to retrieve them.

PJM came into existence when amateur investigative journalists proved more reliable than the professionals. Similarly, so-so articles are often redeemed by brilliant comments.

Thank you commenters for having presented such excellent arguments. I am better armed to face the enemy as a consequence. PJM’s commenters are the best in the blogosphere.

Aug 31, 2008 - 2:04 pm 205. ProgMeister:

Sarah Palin is an expert on nothing and a first-class bullshit artist to boot; you Palinistas need to start reading what people from her own state have to say about her candidacy … here’s a couple to prime the pump:

Alaska State Senate President Lyda Green (R): “She’s not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president? Look at what she’s done to this state. What would she do to the nation?” (Green is from Palin’s home town of Wasilla.)

Alaska House Speaker John Harris (R): “She’s old enough. She’s a U.S. citizen.”

Aug 31, 2008 - 2:56 pm 206. ProgMeister:

it’s a BIG F**K YOU to one of our 50…err…I mean, per YOUR MESSIAH, 57…States?

not at all; it is what it is … read again. now what IS a big f**k you to the entire country is McCain nominating a cheerleader with a pretty face to be VP OF THE UNITED STATES … and be assured that the voters of the US will let him know how they feel about it

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:00 pm 207. ProgMeister:

oh … did I mention that Sarah’s MOTHER IN LAW is undecided about who she will vote for? (that’s her husband’s mother for the slow ones here) … says Faye Palin:

“I’m not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she’s a woman and a conservative.”

you figure it out

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:03 pm 208. compugor:

Methinks ProgMeister doth protest too much.

Minimizing Palin as “a cheerleader with a pretty face” is quite vacuous, and not worthy of a response.

Thus I shant feed such a rabid troll.

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:25 pm 209. Ed:

He will still win !!

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:25 pm 210. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: ProgMeister & Flattery

….Palinistas…. — ProgMeister

As the saying goes….

Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Too bad they haven’t get enough synapse to rub together to come up with anythink original.

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:29 pm 211. Louis Wheeler:

Calm down. ProgMiester. it’s just an election. There’s no need to get a hernia over this. I wasn’t talking to you Leftists, anyway.

I was talking about what Sarah Palin does for the Conservatives. She has a much better defense against Saul Alinski’s methods than McCain does and she fires up the home team. She invites the Obama camp to make serious mistakes. Mistakes along the lines of what you are making now. If the Obama Camp follow your leanings, they will over react, savage Sarah and get women angry at the Democrat Party’s blatant sexism.

I was commenting on how clever this all is. It turns the election on its ear. All the nasty things that Hillary and Barack have been hurling at each other will be ineffective on Sarah Palin. Why? Because she’s the genuine article.

She really is a reformer and an agent of change. She is your greatest nightmare: an articulate Conservative who cannot be ignored. The Mainstream Media will not be able to shut her up. If they try, she will take over YouTube.

The vast percentage of Americans will agree with her, because she speaks to traditional American virtues. Those who disagree, at least, will respect her. If you show your disrespect, then the women of America will make sure that you Leftists lose this election.

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:31 pm 212. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Is It Just Me?

Or are these people like Javelin, ProgMeister, Boris, BC, axiom, et al., becoming more shrill by the hour?

Certainly looks like panic to me.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Don't panic.....yet....you'll burn yourself out before the election.]

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:35 pm 213. Louis Wheeler:

ProgMiester said:
“oh … did I mention that Sarah’s MOTHER IN LAW is undecided about who she will vote for?”

Oh My God NO!!!!!!! Not the dreaded mother-in-law attack. LOL.

It’s right up there with the meme that her husband and son aren’t Republicans.

Really, ProgMiester, you need to come up with a better material than that. Should I suggest a comedy class?

BTW, did I mention that when her father found out about this, he just broken off a hunting trip with his wife on vague information, and said, “Politics? I’d rather be hunting moose.”

A lot of American would agree with him.

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:44 pm 214. Ed Wallis:

“…McCain [is] nominating a cheerleader with a pretty face to be VP OF THE UNITED STATES…”.

Thank YOU, ProctologyMaster, for showing everyone here what gender respect and sensitivity you have!

Your words find company with those of one of your colleagues, “Obama wins,” who posted over at the “partner article” (why Palin is a good choice…) the following:

“Palin is just a stunt to get the bitter Hillary supporters to betray the Democratic Party and vote for the GOP.
You know the Hillary supporters – older white women with pendulumous tits.
So Palin is a play on the pendulumous vote. That is what this voting block is called. Palin herself is plenty pendulumous after 5 sprogs.
Guess what. Obama doesn’t need this block. He will win, and the Hillary/Palin supporters can go back to their post-menopausal stories.” “Obama wins” – Aug 30, 2008 – 1:11 pm

Your words and thoughts are disgusting…and belong in the gutter where you should stay.

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:49 pm 215. kbdabear:

Dane”

“I didn’t realize political parties were an “in for life” sort of deal. I’m registered as a Democrat but I’m planning to vote for McCain… am I going to wake up with a horse’s head in my bed next to me.”

Fredo, you’re my brother and I love you. But don’t EVER go against the family again

Aug 31, 2008 - 4:04 pm 216. Auntie Maim:

Taylor Marsh is unhinged and silly and disgraceful all at once.

Poor, poor, Taylor, you won the pageant but lost the war. Envy and jealousy look ugly on you, Taylor. Perhaps going back to your old “job” would help your self-esteem!

Aug 31, 2008 - 4:05 pm 217. kbdabear:

ProgMeister:

“Sarah Palin is an expert on nothing and a first-class bullshit artist to boot; you Palinistas need to start reading what people from her own state have to say about her candidacy … here’s a couple to prime the pump:

Alaska State Senate President Lyda Green (R): “She’s not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president? Look at what she’s done to this state. What would she do to the nation?” (Green is from Palin’s home town of Wasilla.)”

She’s got 80 percent approval ratings in her own state. That tells me plenty what the people of Alaska have to say about her.

As for negative comments from entrenched corrupt politicians in her own party that she took on, I can only say this about your big revelation.

“Wow… I am over-f***in’-whelmed” – Al Pacino in HEAT

PS – I await any evidence from the Cult of The One that the Obamessiah has ever taken on corruption in his own party, particularly the Daley Machine in Chicago.

Aug 31, 2008 - 4:15 pm 218. barrybarryquitecontrary.com:

Sandra M – Accurate and astute comments and observations. I would disagree only slightly that the energy pirates (they know who they are) would be in a “world of hurt” not if, but when we drill. The Axis of Evil is now the Network of Evil and they have been hording energy reserves and cash reserves for decades since Glasnost & Perestroika and all other cons perpetrated against democratic nations. Why do you think Russia is promoting population expantion vis a vis increased childbearing among the youth of Russia? Because they can afford it. More importantly, why do you think they are starting up the cold war with expansion into Georgia? The Network of Evil has lots and lots and lots of energy reserves and cash reserves and in my humble opinion these pirates will only step up their quest for world domination while using muslim radicals as useful idiots.

Lastly, you are so right, there are so many right thinking patriots on PJM it lifts my spirits that come Nov. 5, 2008 we can rest for a moment knowing an American hero is President and standing at his side will be Sarah “Barracuda” Palin. When the moment of rest is over, Nov. 6, 2008 the world will be on notice, F**K with America at your own peril!

P.S. I have an inkling that EU has a serious “pucker factor” right now that will force them to revisit their own history. Good for us!

Aug 31, 2008 - 4:43 pm 219. kbdabear:

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/08/31/before-liberals-dismiss-governor-palins-experience-as-commander-in-chief-of-alaskas-national-guard.php

Posted by Kim Priestap
Published: August 31, 2008 – 6:23 PM
They need to read this from Jimbo at Blackfive
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/08/commanding-the.html
who published a note from Tom W that explains that Governor Sarah Palin most certainly has experience with national defense issues:

Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It’s on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.
As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden’s.

She’s also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security’s counterterrorism plans.

Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country’s defense. Given Alaska’s proximity to Russia, she may have security clearances we don’t even know about.

According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets.

She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.

This is so interesting. I had no idea Alaska’s National Guard was so vital to our national security. You can read more about the Alaska National Guard and its role in our Missile Defense System here and here. This again shows that Governor Palin has more experience and is more prepared for the job than Barack Obama.

Hat tip: Jonah Goldberg and Jonathan Adler at The Corner.

Aug 31, 2008 - 5:13 pm 220. 888:

Taylor, you’re totally out of touch with reality. Sarah Palin IS for women’s civil rights. Her ascension to the Governorship and being a role model for young and old women alike throughout the US has exponentially advanced women’s civil rights because the route she took to get there was extraordinary. Her leap was unlike Hillary’s to US Senator, which came via political networking and connections. Taking on, and bringing down, older, entrenched male professional politicians from her own party says A LOT about her. She is a hero to all those women (and men) in the corporate and Government world who know of corrupt and well-connected managers and leaders who cannot be held to account for their misdeeds or poor performance because of political connections. She will turn heads in Washington, not only because of her youth and good looks, but mainly because she is a hands-on type who will champion reform…TRUE reform…and buck all conventional trends.

Aug 31, 2008 - 5:14 pm 221. CFB:

Will someone *please* remove the resume-padding lie that Taylor Marsh is a “talk radio personality?” She podcasts a show that nobody listens to. She’s not Laura Ingraham, not even close. She’s a fraud, just like Obama, and just like Hillary Clinton, who attained power by hitching her wagon to a brighter star — her husband. Hillary earned her power the old fashioned way — on her back.

Marsh can’t stand it because Sarah Palin rose to power and prominence through her own merit, not by letting herself be humiliated by some man or through some affirmative action coronation. Sarah’s the real deal, and that’s why professional whiners like Marsh are bitching and moaning on their podcasts that nobody listens to over the unfairness of it all.

Aug 31, 2008 - 5:51 pm 222. Typical Whte Person:

Palin put oxygen into McCain.

She has more good qualities than McCain

I’d love to see the roles reversed

Palin – McCain 2008

Aug 31, 2008 - 6:18 pm 223. Ron Cram:

When liberals dismiss Sarah Palin out of hand, it only reinforces the stereotype that liberals do not have a firm grip on reality.

Sarah is a woman. To say she wants women to be second class citizens is non-sensical.

Sarah has both more experience and more achievement that Obama. She faced down the oil companies and renegotiated the contracts. She took that money and returned $1200 to every adult in Alaska. Pretty hard to argue she is beholdin’ to Big Oil.

Sarah grasp on energy issues will be huge for McCain, both during the campaign and after they are elected. I fully expect Sarah will convince McCain to drill in ANWR in due time.

Aug 31, 2008 - 7:06 pm 224. Ed Wallis:

An interesting comparative list:

http://www.justsaynodeal.com/

Aug 31, 2008 - 7:46 pm 225. ProgMeister:

Ed Wallis:

I don’t know if you have also been following the “partner article” (“Why Palin is a fabulous choice”), but this is an excerpt from it:

no, Ed, I’m not following it; this election has nothing to do with tits, pendulous or otherwise

Aug 31, 2008 - 8:07 pm 226. nick:

kdabear

you are a LIAR.

Aug 31, 2008 - 8:55 pm 227. misanthropicus:

RE: new4Obama: “Tape this to your cave walls: Obama 56%, McCain 43%
It is all but over, you pathetic hate-mongers. And after November 4, you are more than welcome to move to Alaska and hunt and hate with your favorite governor.”

Yo, new4Obama snail: now tape THIS somewhere under the humid & gooey under-rock where you live with your DailyKos snotty snails and HuffPo worms: after the hugest political convention ever, with a viewership beating the Olympic vievership, Glibama moved ahead of McCain 1%! 1%! (Rand, Sunday night). This is bads news, snail, very bad – you and your lefty ne-vertebratae will have a long hybernation down there (not that I’ll miss you).

Aug 31, 2008 - 9:22 pm 228. goy:

Taylor, McCain’s superior dogfighting skills have just cooked poor, inexperienced Barry Soetoro’s Six. And he did it before he was even formally selected as the Republican nominee.

If you’ve actually deluded yourself into believing Teh One will survive that AND the public revelation of his brother George AND the public revelation of his part in the failed Annenberg fiasco AND the offensive manner of his snorting, America-hating wife AND the blowback from the ill-advised DOJ action he’s taken (which demonstrates HIS desperation far more vividly than McCain’s choice of a woman with twice Obama’s resume – and ten times yours), well then I gotta hand it to whoever trained you in self-hypnosis!

You have my email address. Please send me your therapist’s contact info.

Sarah did Vogue and you didn’t. There’s a reason.

You did Danni Ashe, objectifying women for a buck. She didn’t. (NO! your editing ‘efforts‘, silly – get your mind out of the gutter!).

Sarah balanced a career in politics with motherhood and a 20-year marriage. You didn’t. She was elected governor of the largest State in the Union. You weren’t.

Sarah was selected to be the next Vice President of the United States of America. You weren’t. She will very likely be the First Lady President of the United States. You won’t.

Smarts a bit, doesn’t it.

My wife is right. Hyper-partisan Democrat womyn are usually just whiny, self-righteous, jealous, guilt-ridden bitches with nothing to say.

Thanks for playing. See’ya.

(Sorry, that was just the wine talking.)

Recreate ‘84!

(No, really.)

Aug 31, 2008 - 10:57 pm 229. new4Obama:

It has been a pleasure to watch weight-challenged, balding and prostrate Republican men (and I use the phrase “men” charitably to describe these effete whiners) stutter through rationalizations of the most embarrassing VP choice in US history (thankfully McCain’s bad judgment seals an Obama victory in the +10 point range), but I have two questions: who is this insufferable blow-hard Ed Walllis (he seems to write in to every blog every day) and was he and his life partner misanthropicus married while they were both still at Hitler Youth Camp?

Sep 1, 2008 - 12:56 am 230. RS:

Obama decided to run for president after 2 years int he senate. I fail to see how that is acceptable, but a vice-president with 2 years as a govenor is totally unacceptable. They seem at least even to me.

Sep 1, 2008 - 3:43 am 231. Ed Wallis:

I feel it worthy of a response from PJM … WHY “new4Obama” can keep a post in which he suggests I was a (gay) Nazi Youth … yet PJM CENSORS MY RESPONSE.

Sep 1, 2008 - 4:13 am 232. sbourg:

Taylor Marsh’s article is an example of a liberal who makes absolutely no sense. It’s almost one non-sequitur after another. Her first two sentences are perfect examples. She essentially says McC is choosing someone who’d be a disaster on the war on terror (WOT) And she implies he knows it, and this contradicts his assertion that the WOT is issue #1 for him. Then she says in sentence #2 that it absolutely frightens her…….implying Taylor Marsh considers the WOT vitally important, and that Sarah Palin is a terrible choice.
Ms Marsh, I have something to say to you………..1st of all, I don’t believe you are terrified because I don’t think you understand how the WOT is vitally important to us and western and middle eastern civilization. I don’t think you understand that Iran with nuclear weapons is the same as Jihadists galore, with nuclear weapons. I don’t think you read the NIE report in January that absolutely differed monumentally from the cursory and irresponsible summaries in the NYTimes and Washington Post, and in fact all the MSM. The NIE report was vastly different than their factually incorrect, out of context quotes of the NIE. Go back and read the 3 page summary and you’ll see what I mean. The NIE report basically said we don’t know squat about Iran’s progress, but we know they’re working like crazy to develop enough fissionable uranium to make bombs, and they are getting there, and maybe they’re already there! Look at the BIE report! And finally, Sarah Palin won’t be a general on the ground on January 20. She’s perfectly capable of being C-in-C and learning……….at least she’s respectful of our military and probably has at least a cursory understanding of the vital nature of the war against the Jihadists……..that would be vastly better than your understanding OR Obama’s !!! You can take that to the bank……but you’ll probably stay clueless and uninterested in the real stories behind the WOT. = Sincerely, Steve Bourg, Ellicott City, MD

Sep 1, 2008 - 4:20 am 233. Ed Wallis:

ProgMeister:
Ed Wallis: I don’t know if you have also been following the “partner article” (“Why Palin is a fabulous choice”), but this is an excerpt from it:

no, Ed, I’m not following it; this election has nothing to do with tits, pendulous or otherwise
Aug 31, 2008 – 8:07 pm

THIS IS NOT TRUE PROGGY, THERE IS NO SUCH RESPONSE FROM YOU OR ANYONE ON THAT THREAD. LIE.

Sep 1, 2008 - 4:31 am 234. 888:

RS, Obama’s 2 years in the Senate was actually a little over 140 days in office, and almost 95% of that was out campaigning for the primaries first, then the presidency now. So, all in all, Obama has not done a thing for the country except go around and read teleprompter speeches and kiss a_ _ to European leaders who are moderates and conservatives — not exactly his cup of tea.

Sep 1, 2008 - 5:19 am 235. Ed Wallis:

To PJM IT personnel, please llok up this IP address against some of the more venemous troll posts here: 74.208.74.232

That IP address is the DNC headquaters.

Sep 1, 2008 - 5:32 am 236. misanthropicus:

RE: new4Obama: “It has been a pleasure to watch weight-challenged, balding and prostrate Republican men (and I use the phrase “men” charitably to describe these effete whiners) stutter through rationalizations of the most embarrassing VP choice in US history (thankfully McCain’s bad judgment seals an Obama victory in the +10 point range), but I have two questions: who is this insufferable blow-hard Ed Walllis (he seems to write in to every blog every day) and was he and his life partner misanthropicus married while they were both still at Hitler Youth Camp?”

Yo, new4Obama gooey form of lowlife: your pathetic attempts at irony may make you something amogst the low life thriving under the Glibamatics rock (reeking, humid, obscure, poisonous – hey, for everyone the ambience he deserves), but at daylight, when examined by normal people they show that you are nothing but a miserable worm.
Yup – a miserable worm who (?) has been brought at the end of the its/his (?) wits (?) by Glibama’s unstoppable descent.
Worm! If Glibama’s tie with McCain after that giant Denver Glibamapalooza is all what you ne-vertabratae can show as progress, then you are gonners.
Worm! Sometimes when things are over, they really are over, you got to understand this.

As far as your attempts at irony, go back to Daily Kos and ask them for some remedial workshops – although I can’t see how one could put some wit in that bony higher end of the humid, oscillating tentacle that’s you!

Sep 1, 2008 - 5:36 am 237. Louis Wheeler:

This is vastly amusing political theater. I love to see Leftists in a tizzy pretending that they are not. All these snide comments about “Cheerleaders” and “pendulous breasts” indicate that the Left are acting maladroit, if not insane. This has to be a sign of panic. No one has given them their “Daily Talking Points” so they flounder around.

All the nastiness that the “Daily Kos” boys spout about male Conservatives will rebound on them if they try it on Sarah Palin. Why? Because the Democrat Party is a fragile coalition of special interests.

There are a huge number of government payment collecting women who routinely vote Democrat to protect Social Security. They would be offended if the Democrat Party attacked Sarah Palin in the same ways as it would John McCain. Their economic interests will be thrown aside if the Democrat Party starts acting sexist.

This move of McCain’s was unexpected; the Left don’t have a plan of attack and their old plans are in the garbage can. McCain is inside Obama’s OODA loop; he will be throwing changes so fast and furious at the Democrat Party that Obama’s Camp won’t know how to respond. And when they do respond, it is likely to be a tactical terror which sabotages their own forces. McCain will set up groups, inside the Democrat Party, to be at odds with each other and the tactics used by their Policy Guru’s. What a recipe for chaos.

Of course, George Soro’s Far Left crowd pays for it all, so they have the whip hand. But, where do they snap that whip?

The Obama Campaign knows that it is a losing strategy to attack Sarah Palin directly, so they will leave the counter attack to their allies in the Mainstream Media and you Daily Kos boys. That way they can plausibly claim deniability.

But, Sarah Palin has shown in her acceptance address that she will steal feminist rhetoric away from the Democrats. That is why she praised Geraldine A. Ferraro and Hillary Clinton for “placing 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling” so that she, a Conservative woman, can claim the title of being the first female Vice President of the United States.

Ohooooo. This is a beautiful triangulation. That’s gotta hurt the Democrats to strip away that issue. Of course, you could say that the Feminists already threw away the issue when they defended a cad like Bill Clinton from the women that he sexually assaulted. The point is that this is the first election where the Republicans take advantage of that weakness in the Democrat Party.

Expect more of this. The campaign has started anew, but this time the momentum and excitement is on the Republican side. Obama’s message of “Change and Hope” has been adroitly subverted. And it is too late to plan a new attack.

Palin presents a flanking attack–an August surprise. Meanwhile, McCain holds the center which keeps Obama and Biden in place. The Democrats can do little while Sarah Palin produces chaos within the Democrat ranks. If the Democrat Policy Guru’s aren’t careful, they will find themselves attacking their own side. Their Media barrages may be savaging the tender sensibilities of women who want to be respected as wife’s and mother’s who are still active in politics and business.

Sarah Palin’s life story is one of Feminism without its Man-Hating attributes. She turns the truisms upside down. She is the culmination of the Feminist Movement, but she is also a Conservative–a wife–a mother–a Christian and a State Governor. She is a much more attractive avatar than Betty Friedan is. Millions of girls will grow wanting to be like her.

If the Democrat Party tries to attack that, they lose, not just the girls, not just an election, but their reason for existence.

Sep 1, 2008 - 7:12 am 238. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: A Dumb Swipe — Part 2

Seems like I’m not the only military professional who thinks Palin is better prepared for being VP OR President in matters militaire.

Take THAT ‘professor’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

And it looks like it will be more than myself participating.

Sep 1, 2008 - 7:40 am 239. misanthropicus:

RE: Ed Wallis RE: low form of life dba new4Obama: “the IP address against some of the more venemous troll posts here: 74.208.74.232; that IP address is the DNC headquaters.”

Nice – thanks. Also, here is one (I wish it were mine):

“Palin won by fighting corruption – Obama won by embracing corruption.”

Sep 1, 2008 - 7:54 am 240. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Ed Wallis
RE: Say WHAT!??!??!!!!

To PJM IT personnel, please llok up this IP address against some of the more venemous troll posts here: 74.208.74.232

That IP address is the DNC headquaters. — Ed Wallis

If this is correct, then we’ve got a sabot round quivering in the DNC’s chest; like a wooden stake in the heart of the ‘vampire’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Screen shots, i.e., evidence please……

Sep 1, 2008 - 8:08 am 241. tanstaafl:

You see, the vast majority of Americans do not vote on issues. They vote on emotions, which can sometimes be tied to issues… but often are just driven by feelings.

Really ? and you know this for a fact ? How ?

However, I’m thinking Palin is more Geraldine Ferraro than anything else, equating McCain to Mondale.

However, I’m thinking that Sarah Palin is nothing like Geraldine Ferraro at all. Sarah is fresh, blunt, smart and not a whiner, all of which put her in an entirely different camp than Geraldine Ferraro when she was running with Walter.

Sep 1, 2008 - 9:00 am 242. nick:

“SHES PREGNANT!”

headline of truth!

Sep 1, 2008 - 9:30 am 243. nick:

Evidence? you GOP liars dont need no stinking evidence!

and military? liek the morons who let insurgency start?

Sep 1, 2008 - 9:43 am 244. nick:

SHE’s PREGNANT

no not the Gov you morons!

Sep 1, 2008 - 9:44 am 245. Chuck Pelto:

TO: nick
RE: And….

“SHES PREGNANT!” — nick

….you’re point is….

…what?

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Sep 1, 2008 - 9:45 am 246. judithod:

Are you jealous, Ms. Marsh? You’re another “talker” like Obama versus Palin who’s actually a worker with accomplishments.

Sep 1, 2008 - 9:59 am 247. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: nick and Multiple-Personality Syndrome

nick seems to be carrying on a conversation with himself here, about someone in Governor Palin’s family being pregnant.

I wonder what color of chalk dust he’s been snorting this morning.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Drugs: An unlocked door in the prison of Identity. It leads to the Jail Yard]

Sep 1, 2008 - 10:04 am 248. judithod:

Taylor Marsh wrote: “If Sarah Palin was a man she’d be laughed out of the veepstakes, with McCain shown for the embarrassment this pick reveals. This is Republican affirmative action in full bloom. As a Democrat, I’m glad you all finally decided that’s important, but it would be nice if she actually had to prove competent for the job.”

Here’s an honest rewrite of that comment: If Obama were a woman, he’d be laughed out of the presidential race. He represents the Democrats’ version of affirmative action in full bloom. As an independent, I’m pleased that you’ve finally recognized Obama’s nonexistent credentials, but it would have been nice if his incompetence for the job had been properly vetted before he was preened as an “American idol.”

Sep 1, 2008 - 10:08 am 249. nick:

needed to get the truth out,” said the McCain aide.

Typical GOP hiding the TRUTH until pressure!

Sep 1, 2008 - 10:08 am 250. nick:

you all are so dense

Palin has failed her duty as a mother. You have five kids and you’re a working mom, who is educating your kids? TV?

she was not there for her family!

DUH!

Sep 1, 2008 - 10:16 am 251. Chuck Pelto:

TO: nick
RE: Again….

needed to get the truth out,” said the McCain aide. — nick

….what sort of ‘point’ are you trying to make here?

Typical GOP hiding the TRUTH until pressure! — nick

That someone is lying? About what?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. The chalk dust is apparently clogging your intellectual processes. I recommend you lay off of it for a while.

Sep 1, 2008 - 10:18 am 252. Ed Wallis:

To misanthropicus and Chuck Pelto,

Either I was not clear or you (Chuck) misunderstood what I wrote: I provided an IP Address; 74.208.74.232, and said IF trollish posts traced back to this address, THEN that address had a significant “owner.” I was in no way claiming that I know that many of these trollish posts com from the DNC.

All clear?

Sep 1, 2008 - 10:46 am 253. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Ed Wallis
RE: [OT] Disabuse

Thanks for the clarification. I was WONDERING how your had been able to ID the AP Addresses of these people.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Sep 1, 2008 - 11:09 am 254. Mharilou:

Aren’t you desperate. We love Sarah Palin and she just excited the conservative base. That must be really scary that you have to attack a “woman” who you would normally praise if she is a liberal. Sorry but you are out of touch.

Sep 1, 2008 - 11:30 am 255. misanthropicus:

RE Ed Wallis latest; no problem everything is fine.

Sep 1, 2008 - 11:48 am 256. nick:

IF the Moon were cheese THEN moon mice would be happy

you all are MORONS

Sep 1, 2008 - 12:49 pm 257. Chuck Pelto:

TO: nick
RE: Failure?

Palin has failed her duty as a mother. You have five kids and you’re a working mom, who is educating your kids? TV?

she was not there for her family! — nick

So. I take it you are adamantly opposed to women working outside the home.

Interesting. And here I thought you were a ‘progressive’.

Instead, I find a ‘hypocrite’. But that’s EXACTLY what I suspected all this time.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Where there is no religion....hypocrisy becomes good taste.]

Sep 1, 2008 - 12:58 pm 258. Jack:

Here’s a theory that part of the reason for Palin pick is that her son, who is being deployed to Iraq this month, makes for a perfect package to expand the war…it’s a compelling argument, one that oddly is missing from most blog discussions. Why? Isn’t it a notable deal that the VP pick has a son in the active military? Can you imagine the McCain-Palin refrain on behalf of expanded war? Read more here:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=17986969

Sep 1, 2008 - 1:10 pm 259. Chuck Pelto:

TO: nick
RE: Off of the Colored Chalk Dust….

IF the Moon were cheese THEN moon mice would be happy

you all are MORONS — nick

…and now doing cheese?

Stay AWAY from the limburger. It’ll rot your mind…..OOPS….TOO LATE!

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Sep 1, 2008 - 1:16 pm 260. mee:

MS. MARSH are you still agonizing over Hillary’s defeat or did you forget since you have drank the kool-aid??like you deserted “no quarter” so is your logic deserting your personality you have become a blinded obamrobot and you need to go join your “man of steel” and get a cape..or is it a HALO..GROW UP AND GET RID IF THE ENVY

Sep 1, 2008 - 2:32 pm 261. Radtop:

Taylor Marsh is envious of Sarah Palin’s accomplishments. She is left with a whiny denigration of Palin without acknowledging Palin is more qualified to be President than Obama or Biden.

Sep 2, 2008 - 6:31 am 262. orlandocajun:

I agree with many posters here…It’s the loons on the left who are the desperate ones. They’ve been hyperventilating since McCain made the announcement. The more they opine, the more desperate they appear. I hope that Taylor and the rest of the loons on the left keep it coming. They’re underestimating the patience Americans have for their vile.

Sep 2, 2008 - 7:20 am 263. nick:

hyperventilating with Joy

when GOP VP pick is

a LIAR, hypocrite, bad mother, and drunk!

Sep 2, 2008 - 9:46 am 264. Andrew Lale:

I like to hear all points of view, but this barely passes as one of those. There must, must be someone out there who can fight the Obama corner better than this. Cheap shots, lies, frantic burbling and not even funny? Come on. Can I have a spot in PJM? I can do better than that.

Sep 2, 2008 - 9:50 am 265. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Projection?

a LIAR, hypocrite, bad mother, and drunk! — nick

Anyone?

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Sep 2, 2008 - 1:20 pm 266. Robert Hurley:

Way to go! Great way to stir up the right wing nuts!

Sep 2, 2008 - 1:42 pm 267. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Robert Hurely
RE: YEAH!

Way to go! Great way to stir up the right wing nuts! — Robert Hurley

Let’s get the ALL ’stirred up’!

Then even MORE of them will go out and vote, come November!

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. See you at the polls.]

Sep 2, 2008 - 2:02 pm 268. nick:

I was wrong, it was her husband who was the drunk

Sep 2, 2008 - 7:48 pm 269. Brian:

Good.I hope the Left is uncomfortable.I got more in common with the Mccain ticket now with her on it.

Sep 3, 2008 - 1:10 am 270. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: McCain? Desperate?

In a pig’s eye….

Check out this EXCELLENT Compare and Contrast, of Palin vis-a-vis Obama.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Sep 3, 2008 - 9:48 am 271. Dave:

Palin is a great choice. More real executive experience than anyone the Dems had in their primary let alone on their ticket.

As far as the extreme over reaction to Palin’s pro-life stance goes, the author and some of the inane lefty ranters in here seem to be clueless as to what the end of Roe would mean. It would not mean an end to legal abortion. It means there would be some restrictions in some states and less or none in others. There would be very few places if any that would ban it completely. I expect you would see exceptions almost everywhere like life of the mother, rape, incest, and age of the mother. But it would be decided by the people in the states through their legislatures and not dictated by 5 little rulers in Washington.

The sheer panic and malevolence in the rants by the left are fun to watch though. They fear this woman and need her destroyed pronto.

Sep 3, 2008 - 6:17 pm 272. Mary in LA:

nick:
Palin has failed her duty as a mother. You have five kids and you’re a working mom

The working moms of America really appreciate your vote of confidence.

who is educating your kids? TV?

Umm… school?
Say, you ought to go to school yourself, nick. I realize that’s a novel notion, but you just might learn something.

nick:
I was wrong…

You should have stopped right there!

Sep 3, 2008 - 6:25 pm 273. Har de har:

Its amazing how this post is full of self-important, pontificating, armchair politicians.

None of you could get elected dog catcher.
None of you could run a campaign to elect one.

Har de har

Sep 3, 2008 - 8:29 pm 274. nick:

a lying creationist book burner

such a great choice!

Sep 3, 2008 - 8:42 pm 275. Hardy Laws:

To Mr. Roger Simon, and the rest of the liberalized media, who like to think of themselves as “elite,” why don’t you ask questions of Obama; why don’t you ask questions of his V-P; why don’t you take a look at yourselves and realize all you want is power? It appears to the intelligent, thinking Amnerican that all you want is to change America, but not for the better. You are all a bunch of exactly what Mrs. Palin said you are, and worse. There are many more comments which should be made, but space limits me. Too bad.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:29 am 276. nick:

and of course hardy laws produces no facts.

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:58 am 277. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Heh….

and of course hardy laws produces no facts. — nick

Just like ‘nick’.

I’ve asked ‘nick’ on numerous occasions and various threads to provide his evidence supporting his claim that Palin is a ‘creationist’…or at least….wants creationism taught in public schools.

He’s utterly failed to respond.

And here it is whining about someone else not providing facts to back up statements….

…typical ‘progressive’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Progressive is a one-word oxymoronic.]

Sep 4, 2008 - 11:39 am 278. nick:

all you have to do is look up on the INTERNET you know that thing your PC is connected to?

she is in the anchorage papers when asked about creationism and evolution “teach both”

if you know how to google

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:34 pm 279. nick:

and now you can go to SLATE

its on the front page – FAQ

Sep 5, 2008 - 6:37 pm 280. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: More Evidence…..

all you have to do is look up on the INTERNET you know that thing your PC is connected to? — nick

….that nick either doesn’t know what he’s talking about or is an outright liar.

Indeed….

….the other day I came across an article about what nick alleges to be a scandal. However, if you can read English and comprehend the Law, you’ll realize that nick is a liar.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I pointed this matter out to nick on another thread in this venue. He has yet to reply to that comment. And I can imagine why…..

Sep 9, 2008 - 12:55 pm 281. Gayle:

Fascist Republicans need to vent. That’s what they need to do…so let them. In the end, justice will prevail.

Sep 12, 2008 - 8:43 am 282. hp:

huh? am missing the whole point of a mention of beauty contest at all as support for any argument. gotta go with kevin and say this screams the color green.

Sep 20, 2008 - 6:58 am

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