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1. TexEd:

C’mon, Hussein is a puppet run by his anti-American masters and they don’t care squat for Hillie or her whining supporters.
The Hillie people, if they had any brains at all, should take it out on the left-wing media. It is the media that stuck it to Hillie, no one else. Heck. I’d cancel the morning newspaper or block the most offensive news channel(s).

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:48 am 2. AdrianS:

I did cancel my cable. I couldn’t put up with the Obama lies, slant, the spin, the bias, the circus with all patsys in tow. None of the MSM offer fair and impartial reports.

I use the blogosphere for reading and viewing any side of a discussion is wish. YouTube has been invaluable for exposing original Obama lies.

If you wonder why Obama’s poll ratings are falling — have been falling since he began losing to Hillary in PA? Don’t. The Internet and blogosphere is a thorn in Obama’s side — ever since PA, voters have been learning about Obama’s past, his position on issues, his flops, his false promises, his radical leftist associations, his “mentors,” his extremely grotesque pro-abortion, pro-infanticide plank, and his wholesale lack of decorum.

Obama is NOT presidential material; Obama is NOT ready to lead anything or anybody.

That’s why Obama’s ratings keep falling like a lead balloon.

Aug 28, 2008 - 7:38 am 3. huxley:

But how many PUMAs are out there, really?

Aug 28, 2008 - 8:29 am 4. goy:

Very incisive observations Neo, as usual.

Nothing I’ve seen over the past couple weeks gives me any reason to believe that Obama isn’t headed for a Mondale-style thrashing – just like the one he’s been receiving in the AOL Straw Poll for weeks now.

A lot of folks believe Perot gave us Clinton. I happen to disagree there. But unless things change pretty drastically between now and November, Clinton may very likely give us McCain.

Aug 28, 2008 - 8:39 am 5. Jeff:

The part about Obama’s win that is constantly not emphasized that has created the greatest cognitive dissonance (i.e., conflict between appearance and fact in this case) is that Obama looks like he is the winner of the majority of Democrat primary voters. Problem being is that between the artificial constructs of super-delegates and caucuses, Barack won because he played the game better.

In sports, you might expect to win by taking advantage of the rules most effectively. It may be disappointing or aggravating, but it is ultimately just a game. This is most poignantly true in amateur or recreational athletics when little prospect of money is involved.

Speaking as a lawyer, I can tell you that, often when money is on the table and the rules of law declare one litigant a winner over the other. The problem arises that the sense of fair play innate in all persons might suggest that the loser should have won. When that occurs, the loser is almost more upset by his sense of having been cheated than the fact that he lost. The sense of trust in the system plummets.

That litigation is much closer to what the PUMAs feel than the recreational sports loser.

Aug 28, 2008 - 8:51 am 6. John Samford:

I think history will see Ohhhh…BAMA as screwin up Billery’s shot at the White House. That is almost enough to give me religion, since Billery would have been as bad a President as Obama bin Biden. But Billery would have been harder to beat in November.
The Clintons stacked the 9-11 Commission and with the help of Sandy Burgler got away with it.
That won’t change the fact that Billy blue dress had the opportunity to pick up Osama in handcuffs for free and turned it down. Osama in Jail means no WTC attack, no GWoT and a Democratic White House in ‘04.

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
Voltaire
French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 – 1778)

Aug 28, 2008 - 9:04 am 7. TomJW:

No attempt at political persuasion at all. Read comments at other blogs and see how the Obamites insult the Clinton supporters. No wonder the Clinton supporters aren’t getting on board. They probably want to take bats to the heads of Obamites.

…or is conservatives against McCainites? Either way, the lack of political savy from the primary winners and their supporters may make this whole election go down to the wire.

Aug 28, 2008 - 9:28 am 8. SGT Ted:

Seeing as how there really isn’t much of a difference between the two over policy advocation, it was bound to come down to the politics of personal distruction, in which the Dems excel. Obama rode Hillary! dirty, so it’s no wonder that Hillarys! supporters are ticked off.

Aug 28, 2008 - 9:31 am 9. Taylor Marsh:

Um… Neo-Neocon, as a fellow PJM contributor, I don’t want to be too hard on you, but the unhinged fringe you’re writing about didn’t show up in Denver. They’re nowhere. Yesterday my husband saw 8 of them walking in circles in front of the convention center where Hillary had just released her delegates, which I wrote about. By the time November comes around there numbers will be *much* fewer, too.

I also know that the McCain team is counting on the unhinged fringe to help him over the top. If that’s their plan, you all are screwed.

Just chiming in with a little reality.

I talked about it on CNN yesterday, for anyone interested. It’s over on my site.

Keep Puma hopes alive! It’s all McCain’s got.

Aug 28, 2008 - 9:33 am 10. Pajamas Media » Live from DNC: The Big Dawg Delivers:

[...] the unhinged fringe anywhere. My husband, who came with me to Denver via a road trip we took here, counted exactly 8 of the unhinged fringe variety yesterday meandering in what was supposed to be their idea of a demonstration outside the [...]

Aug 28, 2008 - 9:43 am 11. M.P.:

It;s also that Obama was chosen by the super delegates. He won more delegates from the primaries even though the popular vote was close (FL and MI being self created disasters) but could not have secured the nomination without the pledged super delegates. The feeling is that Obama was not elected by Democratic voters but chosen by the party bosses in a smoky room and coercion was used to force the super delegates to support Obama. The role of the super delegates in choosing Obama takes legitimacy away from the outcome.

Aug 28, 2008 - 9:54 am 12. jdwill:

Best argument I’ve seen for Obama not taking Hillary is he probably thought a White House with three presidents would be crowded.

Otherwise, analysis of past elections shows that when there is a close primary, taking the 2nd place candidate as VP is a winner, while not doing so, for example, is what happened to Carter in 80 (among other things).

Aug 28, 2008 - 9:55 am 13. penny:

I can’t shed a tear for a group that desired an outcome based so exclusively on Hillary’s gender. PUMA got beaten in the Dem’s victim games by a player that out did them on the victim hierarchy scale. That’s how the game was set up. As democrats, they should understand the rules.

The Democrats have been masters of this kind of divisiveness. They’ve woven this pathology into the cultural/political fabric of this country. They are only reaping what they’ve sown.

Perhaps these women need to escape from the Dem’s plantation and relearn how to define themselves and others as something much broader than a gender or a race.
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Aug 28, 2008 - 10:42 am 14. Dane:

Talor:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31061_Zombie-_Pro-Hillary_March

Looks like more than eight people there to me. Maybe you weren’t looking in the right places.

Cheers!

Aug 28, 2008 - 10:44 am 15. ic:

a White House with three presidents would be crowded.

Four, don’t forget Michelle.

Aug 28, 2008 - 11:23 am 16. By The Fault » Blog Archive » Why Is It That Conservatives Understand the Dynamics At Work in the Democratic Party and the DNC Doesn’t?:

[...] Pajamas Media: Why, many ask, can’t the PUMAs get with the program and unite behind [...]

Aug 28, 2008 - 12:00 pm 17. lisadawn82:

TomJW:

No attempt at political persuasion at all. Read comments at other blogs and see how the Obamites insult the Clinton supporters. No wonder the Clinton supporters aren’t getting on board. They probably want to take bats to the heads of Obamites.

Ding, ding, ding. Give the man a prize. You nailed it.

jdwill:

Best argument I’ve seen for Obama not taking Hillary is he probably thought a White House with three presidents would be crowded.

You need to put a spew warning on statements like that. I almost spit my soda all over the keyboard after reading it. Thanks, you’ve made my day.

Aug 28, 2008 - 12:04 pm 18. Teri Pittman:

I don’t know but I will publicly make any PUMA out there an offer: vote for McCain this time, and I’ll vote for Hillary in 2012. It will be hard for me, but it will be equally hard for a PUMA to vote McCain

Aug 28, 2008 - 12:39 pm 19. emeka:

lol

Aug 28, 2008 - 1:50 pm 20. emeka:

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Aug 28, 2008 - 1:50 pm 21. Lynne:

The PUMAs must not care that much if that debt hasn’t been retired by NOW. Its not Obama’s responsibility OR obligation to retire Hillary’s debt, its his CHOICE to HELP…but considering these die-hards who “can’t get over it”, why cant they get out their checkbooks and handle their business? I think there’s a disconnect between the number of these PUMAs and their perceived power (or lack therof). Its just $22 million, surely they can come up with that between the millions of them, no?

Aug 28, 2008 - 2:11 pm 22. nene:

Taylor Marsh should have used Big Tent Democrat’s disclaimer: “Speaking for me only.”

Who does she think she’s helping by characterizing PUMAs as nutcases? There are a lot of us out here who share the outrage at the way the the DNC put their thumb on the scale for Obama. We couldn’t all make it to Denver, seeing most of us have to work for a living or take care of family or couldn’t afford it. We’re the ones that need government to work to level the playing field and we don’t buy for one moment that Obama will do it.

The “new” Democratic party has made it pretty clear that they don’t need or want us, so what’s the problem, anyway?

Aug 28, 2008 - 2:15 pm 23. Saltherring:

Waaaaaaahh!! It’s not fair! He cheated…….an-an-an I was there first…..an-an-an it was my turn! Waaaaaaaahh!

Aug 28, 2008 - 2:49 pm 24. Shannon Love:

I think the PUMA learned a key lesson about identity politics: they’re ultimate divisive and exclusionary.

It’s all well and good (tactically) to create a great sense of aggrieved entitlement in various groups when they all share a common opponent but what happens when groups so indoctrinated find themselves in competition with one another? The same mechanisms kick in and polarize the groups driving them apart.

I think the democrats could be fractured from here on out unless the main candidates are white males.

Aug 28, 2008 - 2:59 pm 25. nene:

Yeah, injustice IS kind of funny, isn’t it?

Aug 28, 2008 - 3:02 pm 26. Lisa:

Goy,

Obama and the DNC will give us McCain. I’m voting for McCain not because of Hillary but because of how they treated her. If they can treat a former first lady like that, they can treat any woman like that.

Aug 28, 2008 - 5:07 pm 27. penny:

Lisa, I’m curious, the DNC and their syncophants in the liberal agenda driven MSM have treated Laura Bush as badly. Is it only Hillary’s treatment as “former first lady’ that drives your anger?

I agree that Hillary got the shaft, frozen out because race trumps gender on the Dem’s plantation of victim mongers. Too bad that so many Americans have been railroaded by that game. Isn’t it really time that a candidate/person is defined more broadly than their race/gender?

The liberal politicized feminists have been playing the gender victim card for decades, pay back is a bitch isn’t it.

Aug 28, 2008 - 5:51 pm 28. goy:

Lisa, even though I do so grudgingly, because it’s a “lesser evil” choice, I’m pretty sure I’ll be voting for McCain too, since he’s closest ideologically to what the Democratic Party was when I was registered D. Just have to slap him around a bit on the health care issue and his flawed plan to create and U.S. version of Al Gore’s carbon credits get-rich-quick scheme (aka, ‘cap-and-trade’).

If bloviating Biden is Obama’s idea of “Change”, and using his power as a sitting Senator to threaten private citizens with DOJ action is his idea of First Amendment support, I think any self-respecting Democrat will likely make the same choice you’re making.

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:05 pm 29. AnnieB:

I’m a conservative, but I am also a woman. A woman of ‘a certain age’.

Speaking as one with no dog in this fight – there was a SICK amount of sexism in the anti-Hillary brigade.
(Not just in the surface, but lets face it that the whole Obama campaign was ‘I’m hot … I’m sexy… she’s your mama… who want’s that old bag around bitching at you.)

There was MORE in the post-campaign.
I remember when Ronald Regan lost to Ford. The immediate questions was ‘What policy issues can we compromise on to bring the Regan people into supporting the party’. The unquestioned assumption was that Regan supporters existed because they *believed* in something – and that something would have to be addressed. The Hillary Clinton supporters are assumed to be ‘poor, white, ignorant, and probably having a hot flash… they better hope we cool folks will allow them back into our party ( but we probably won’t cause… they are just OLD WOMEN and like… yuch! )

It’s one thing to lose. Lots of folks lose. It’s another to be told to sit down and shut up and ‘get in line’ because the party owns your uppity ass.

Obama is running a campaign for the cool folks.

Let him have those votes, and McCain the rest… and we’ll see who is living in the White House this Christmas.

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:47 pm 30. John Samford:

Taylor, WHAT are they smokin’ at CNN? While it’s another 6 weeks before the polls will mean anything, trend lines ARE important. Have you noticed that Obama bin Biden’s is going the wrong way?
You can hope all you want.
Those guys that jumped from the 110th floor of the WTC were hoping for a soft landing. It did them the same good it will do you.
PMA is good for somethings, but in the world of politics and Physics it is useless.
Read your Zaller and then see which voting blocks are aligned with whom. Demographics ALWAYS matters. This will only be a close election if McCain picks another white male as his VP. If he goes for a female ( lots of good ones available) or a minority, Obama bin Biden is toast. We are talking Mondale type numbers here.
So keep on puffing away.

“He that lives upon hope will die fasting.”
Benjamin Franklin
US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 – 1790)

Aug 28, 2008 - 8:56 pm 31. Tomboys:

I think Taylor Marsh is just trying to get people to listen to her show. Taylor… there are more of us out here than you could possibly know. And we are not crazy. It’s insults like yours that work against Obama.

TomJW you are dead on with this statement:
“No attempt at political persuasion at all. Read comments at other blogs and see how the Obamites insult the Clinton supporters. No wonder the Clinton supporters aren’t getting on board. They probably want to take bats to the heads of Obamites.”

nene you are dead on with this one too:
“The “new” Democratic party has made it pretty clear that they don’t need or want us, so what’s the problem, anyway?”

Aug 29, 2008 - 12:40 am 32. LPH:

I’m curious if all of these pro-Hillary posts are from people who did not listen to Hillary during her speech. Did she not say she was supporting Senator Obama? Did she not remind people that supported her that Obama’s policies are closer to her ideals than McCain? If you place McCain into the White House, you are placing the Supreme Court into jeopardy. Are you so upset that you risk the nation for your children and grand-children? You hate the loss so badly that you are willing to hurt other people. Are these posts really about yourselves more than about Hillary’s ideals?

Aug 29, 2008 - 1:20 am 33. Akatsukami:

Of course they are, LPH. That has, after all, been the progressive meme for years, if not decades: nothing is more important than my personal victory, for even as I would cast my former alleged allies into the gulag for deviationism, I must assume that they would do the same to me.

It has been said that the minimum requirement for democracy is the assurance that you can lose an election without losing your life, freedom, and property. The Petulant Left has done its best to destroy that assurance. Now people — some of whom were members of the Petulant Left in their day, and did their to destroy it — are taking them at their word. You are surprised — why?

Aug 29, 2008 - 3:41 am 34. SAF:

The democrats would never win any elections if they did not garner 90% of the black vote. Blacks perceive, and perhaps correctly, that the democrats work hard to tip the tables in their favor. (I pass no judgment here as to whether or not this moraly right etc.) Woman for a long time thought the same. I think many of them have learned differently in this primary battle. Those woman will not vote for Obama and will remain angry for a long time. Who knows if they cross the line to McCain. Some will.

Aug 29, 2008 - 4:09 am 35. hp:

@AdrianS DITTO!

“If these women had previously bought the idea that the Democratic Party is above that sort of thing, they’ve now experienced a profound shock—and that shock is a very a personal one.”

i don’t think “the party” would have pulled some of the garbage that has been going on online. it was those right up the candidate’s………. alley.

“And yet they now perceive themselves to be on the receiving end of sexism, while at the same time they stand accused of racism, and merely for preferring another contender over the African-American candidate Obama.”

to scream racism while bashing hillary’s throngs for claiming foul on sexism would be

DISCRIMINATION.

Aug 29, 2008 - 4:12 am 36. Mark Stapleton:

My sister was a TX Precinct Delegate for the Democrats. At the County caucus the Obama delegates held several “final” votes to select the county delegates who would go on to the state caucus. Thinking their votes counted many delegates left the Caucus early. The Obama side out-waited the Hillary delegates and finally got the majority they needed to beat them with the last in a series of “final” votes that night (they even secretly called back Obama delegates who had also previously left). Every vote should count, huh?

At one point an angry male delegate threatened my sister for standing up to the Obama delegates because they were breaking and bending the rules and holding multiple votes. She left the caucus disgusted with politics and the Democratic party.

Needless to say, she and her husband now support McCain.

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:35 am 37. Ed Wallis:

Mark Stapleton: “Needless to say, she and her husband now support McCain.

AND RIGHTLY SO.

Obama has visibly proven to be the THUG of Chang – err – Chicago.

Aug 31, 2008 - 5:15 am 38. Maria:

There are several other reasons: 1. the caucus fraud and 2. the taking of Hillary’s delegates and giving them to Obama.

Aug 31, 2008 - 5:21 pm 39. John Samford:

huxley:

But how many PUMAs are out there, really?

Enough. PRESIDENT Bush won by 187 votes in Florida. So it wouldn’t take many PUMA’s to do the job.

No bounce from the Convention, Obama bin Biden doing their Titanic imitation in the polls,
Democratic shills running around in a state of panic.
It looks like the wheels have come off the Soros puppet show.
Good, it couldn’t happen to a more deserving group.

2008 will damage the Democrats for years to come. I hope that some ‘real’ democrats will get together and take the party of Truman and JFK back from the Socialist thugs that have stolen it. I’ll never be a democrat, nor vote democrat, but it would be nice to have a loyal opposition party again. One that had different ideas about how to make America stronger. Not a bunch of radical lefties that want to destroy America, which is what the Democratic party has become.

Sep 2, 2008 - 3:53 am 40. Rotwang:

“No bounce from the Convention, Obama bin Biden doing their Titanic imitation in the polls,
Democratic shills running around in a state of panic.
It looks like the wheels have come off the Soros puppet show.”

What an interesting world you live in, John. Do I get there through the bedroom wardrobe, or should I just wait for a Kansas tornado?

Sep 2, 2008 - 7:02 am 41. Nico Sciscente:

Ignorant people say ignorant things…I found on another block where the person was convinced Obama was born in Kenya…..don’t know what planet that guy is living in but I just wanted to give everyone here a good laugh:))lol

Sep 3, 2008 - 5:50 am

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