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		<title>By: Nanouk Miller</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wiki-whacked-by-political-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-136118</link>
		<dc:creator>Nanouk Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on now, those of you that fret about the liberal bias of the media, the left-leaning of the world, etc, simply don&#039;t understand that the world is under the laws of nature/physics of which the laws of entropy are probably the most fundamental.

French scientist, Sadi Carnot, who is attributed with the first concept of entropy is that all processes in the world are moving towards increasing entropy (S &gt; 0). This simply means that all flows are moving towards its lowest level of energy or mediocrity.

This explains the movement towards socialism and fascism from capitalism since capitalism is a more organized form of enterprise while the former two are less organized forms of social organization. It&#039;s pure physics and something that can&#039;t be stopped or abated.

The USA will soon become the USSA (United Socialist States of America) under BHO (Barack Hussein Obama), and not much can be done to stop it. Those that don&#039;t like it will soon be forced to accept it or leave as I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on now, those of you that fret about the liberal bias of the media, the left-leaning of the world, etc, simply don&#8217;t understand that the world is under the laws of nature/physics of which the laws of entropy are probably the most fundamental.</p>
<p>French scientist, Sadi Carnot, who is attributed with the first concept of entropy is that all processes in the world are moving towards increasing entropy (S &gt; 0). This simply means that all flows are moving towards its lowest level of energy or mediocrity.</p>
<p>This explains the movement towards socialism and fascism from capitalism since capitalism is a more organized form of enterprise while the former two are less organized forms of social organization. It&#8217;s pure physics and something that can&#8217;t be stopped or abated.</p>
<p>The USA will soon become the USSA (United Socialist States of America) under BHO (Barack Hussein Obama), and not much can be done to stop it. Those that don&#8217;t like it will soon be forced to accept it or leave as I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wiki-whacked-by-political-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-78205</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gringo, I am the person (and Wikipedia Editor who-is-not-yet-banned,-but-not-for-lack-of-critics-trying) who was personally instrumental in including the &quot;The Declaration on the Breakdown of Chile’s Democracy&quot; to the various Chile, Allende and Pinochet-related articles. But aside from the paragraphs containing its reference in those articles, they are just as much &quot;history according to the socialists&quot; as anywhere else.

I was never able to successfully edit (permanently) the fact that Chile&#039;s coup was NOT the military overthrow of Allende (because the Chilean armed-forces were called to do so by the Chilean legislature&#039;s passage of the Declaration week&#039;s earlier), but rather the refusal of Pinochet to restore government power to the legislature several days later. The coup, proper, was bloodless, and amounted to Pinochet simply saying, essentially, &quot;My group is going to run things now, not the Chamber of Deputies.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gringo, I am the person (and Wikipedia Editor who-is-not-yet-banned,-but-not-for-lack-of-critics-trying) who was personally instrumental in including the &#8220;The Declaration on the Breakdown of Chile’s Democracy&#8221; to the various Chile, Allende and Pinochet-related articles. But aside from the paragraphs containing its reference in those articles, they are just as much &#8220;history according to the socialists&#8221; as anywhere else.</p>
<p>I was never able to successfully edit (permanently) the fact that Chile&#8217;s coup was NOT the military overthrow of Allende (because the Chilean armed-forces were called to do so by the Chilean legislature&#8217;s passage of the Declaration week&#8217;s earlier), but rather the refusal of Pinochet to restore government power to the legislature several days later. The coup, proper, was bloodless, and amounted to Pinochet simply saying, essentially, &#8220;My group is going to run things now, not the Chamber of Deputies.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: world book encyclopedias</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wiki-whacked-by-political-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-58354</link>
		<dc:creator>world book encyclopedias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Today, Wikipedia, the ???world??s largest encyclopedia,??? has the potential of becoming the liberalhttp://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wiki-whacked-by-political-bias/Howstuffworks &amp;quotWeather - Encyclopedia Entry&amp;quotLearn about Weather. Read our encyclopedia entry [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Today, Wikipedia, the ???world??s largest encyclopedia,??? has the potential of becoming the liberalhttp://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wiki-whacked-by-political-bias/Howstuffworks &#38;quotWeather &#8211; Encyclopedia Entry&#38;quotLearn about Weather. Read our encyclopedia entry [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wiki-whacked-by-political-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-40776</link>
		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 17:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
   That was the one I was referring to when i said &quot;rumored&quot; - which Dais jumped all over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
   That was the one I was referring to when i said &#8220;rumored&#8221; &#8211; which Dais jumped all over.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy S.</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wiki-whacked-by-political-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-40655</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 07:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your insightful blogpost about bias on Wikipedia, Matthew! As you know, we at Conservapedia do not share Wikipedia&#039;s notorious liberal bias. We consider it an honor to bring a little ray of conservative sunshine into the disgusting open sepulcher that is the liberal Internet. You&#039;re doing God&#039;s work, Matthew -- I know He is proud of you.

&quot;Conservapedia: Conserving pedos since 2006&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your insightful blogpost about bias on Wikipedia, Matthew! As you know, we at Conservapedia do not share Wikipedia&#8217;s notorious liberal bias. We consider it an honor to bring a little ray of conservative sunshine into the disgusting open sepulcher that is the liberal Internet. You&#8217;re doing God&#8217;s work, Matthew &#8212; I know He is proud of you.</p>
<p>&#8220;Conservapedia: Conserving pedos since 2006&#8243;</p>
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		<title>By: Friedman Libertarian - Pajamas Media &#38; Wiki-Whacked by Political Bias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friedman Libertarian - Pajamas Media &#38; Wiki-Whacked by Political Bias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 02:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dais,

You&#039;ll find a comprehensive account of a Wikipedia editor waging war on global warming skeptics here:

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=440268

May well be the example Matt was thinking of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dais,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll find a comprehensive account of a Wikipedia editor waging war on global warming skeptics here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=440268" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=440268</a></p>
<p>May well be the example Matt was thinking of.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...other than what the Christian Right wishes to advance as fact...&quot;

Oh, please...  The &quot;Christian Right&quot; bogeyman is so overused that it&#039;s a complete joke when otherwise intelligent people invoke it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;other than what the Christian Right wishes to advance as fact&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, please&#8230;  The &#8220;Christian Right&#8221; bogeyman is so overused that it&#8217;s a complete joke when otherwise intelligent people invoke it.</p>
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		<title>By: Our Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Our Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is obvious. With multiple sources of information available, how do you maintain ideological purity? Take correspondent BobDog’s posting, above. With high praise he quotes a paper by Tim Grosclose and Jeffery Milyo (“A Measure of Media Bias.” The Quarterly Journal of Economics. November, 2005: pp. 1191-1237) and presents his view: “This paper finds great support for a liberal bias in the media—which should suit this audience great (here is the long-awaited “proof” of liberal bias, rigorously derived!)”.

So far so good, but an inquiring mind might do a couple of things. A Google search of the title brings up slightly over 7200 “hits”, indicating the paper is has been widely looked at. Next discovery, is that the correct spelling of the lead author is Groseclose. A Google search with the correct spelling yields about 21,300 hits. That endeavor on Google takes about a minute.

Nether Conservapedia, nor Wikepedia carries a primary listing on Prof. Groseclose, that took about 30 seconds. Back to the Google searches. What emerges, with about 5 to 10 minutes of scanning the search engine is that this paper controversial, and that its methodology (the key to any given paper claiming scientific credulity) is flawed. The old story of garbage in, garbage out seemed to have escaped the authors. Two links for those who accept the myth that the quoted paper:

http://www.economicprincipals.com/issues/06.01.01.html

http://mediamatters.org/items/200512220003

and of course a bit of back and forth:

http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2005/12/the_problems_wi.html

It strikes me that any encyclopedia, print or Web based, is no more than the first stop for an enquiring mind. Controversy is the fuel of knowledge, and with the resources available to day only a lazy mind, or those seeking ideological purity will accept a Wiki entry as the final word…

PS: Before today, I was unaware of Conservapedia. Thank God that I found it, it explains a bunch. I have spent about 2 to 3 hours entering it’s search engine with specific queries. As a source for knowledge, other than what the Christian Right wishes to advance as fact, it is useless.

PPS: It is to be expected, but deserves comment: It is impossible to define who or how these endeavors are being funded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is obvious. With multiple sources of information available, how do you maintain ideological purity? Take correspondent BobDog’s posting, above. With high praise he quotes a paper by Tim Grosclose and Jeffery Milyo (“A Measure of Media Bias.” The Quarterly Journal of Economics. November, 2005: pp. 1191-1237) and presents his view: “This paper finds great support for a liberal bias in the media—which should suit this audience great (here is the long-awaited “proof” of liberal bias, rigorously derived!)”.</p>
<p>So far so good, but an inquiring mind might do a couple of things. A Google search of the title brings up slightly over 7200 “hits”, indicating the paper is has been widely looked at. Next discovery, is that the correct spelling of the lead author is Groseclose. A Google search with the correct spelling yields about 21,300 hits. That endeavor on Google takes about a minute.</p>
<p>Nether Conservapedia, nor Wikepedia carries a primary listing on Prof. Groseclose, that took about 30 seconds. Back to the Google searches. What emerges, with about 5 to 10 minutes of scanning the search engine is that this paper controversial, and that its methodology (the key to any given paper claiming scientific credulity) is flawed. The old story of garbage in, garbage out seemed to have escaped the authors. Two links for those who accept the myth that the quoted paper:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicprincipals.com/issues/06.01.01.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.economicprincipals.com/issues/06.01.01.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200512220003" rel="nofollow">http://mediamatters.org/items/200512220003</a></p>
<p>and of course a bit of back and forth:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2005/12/the_problems_wi.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2005/12/the_problems_wi.html</a></p>
<p>It strikes me that any encyclopedia, print or Web based, is no more than the first stop for an enquiring mind. Controversy is the fuel of knowledge, and with the resources available to day only a lazy mind, or those seeking ideological purity will accept a Wiki entry as the final word…</p>
<p>PS: Before today, I was unaware of Conservapedia. Thank God that I found it, it explains a bunch. I have spent about 2 to 3 hours entering it’s search engine with specific queries. As a source for knowledge, other than what the Christian Right wishes to advance as fact, it is useless.</p>
<p>PPS: It is to be expected, but deserves comment: It is impossible to define who or how these endeavors are being funded.</p>
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		<title>By: John Samford</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Samford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;According to Wikipedia, waterboarding is defined as a form of torture… not that some believe it to be torture and others (Pres. Bush) do not. So the liberal line is taken as the definition.&quot;

Waterboarding is the 21st century term.  Before that it was called the Chinese water torture.
What you are saying is that changing the name means it&#039;s no longer torture.  That is a very debatable argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_water_torture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

I don&#039;t think Wiki shows bias in this instance.   They use the term torture, which would seem to be both appropriate and historically accurate.  They then point out that not everyone considers it torture.
If this was put to a vote in America I think a huge majority would vote that it is torture.
Biases would be not calling it torture.
For the sake of disclosure, I am very much in favor of torture, so long as it&#039;s not me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture
&quot;any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.&quot;

Now there is bias.  It seems that the UN definition of torture is anything except what the UN does.  Then it becomes &quot;lawful sanctions&quot;, NOT torture.
So I suppose that once waterboarding is made a &quot;lawful sanction&quot; it will stop being torture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;According to Wikipedia, waterboarding is defined as a form of torture… not that some believe it to be torture and others (Pres. Bush) do not. So the liberal line is taken as the definition.&#8221;</p>
<p>Waterboarding is the 21st century term.  Before that it was called the Chinese water torture.<br />
What you are saying is that changing the name means it&#8217;s no longer torture.  That is a very debatable argument.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_water_torture" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_water_torture</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Wiki shows bias in this instance.   They use the term torture, which would seem to be both appropriate and historically accurate.  They then point out that not everyone considers it torture.<br />
If this was put to a vote in America I think a huge majority would vote that it is torture.<br />
Biases would be not calling it torture.<br />
For the sake of disclosure, I am very much in favor of torture, so long as it&#8217;s not me.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture</a><br />
&#8220;any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now there is bias.  It seems that the UN definition of torture is anything except what the UN does.  Then it becomes &#8220;lawful sanctions&#8221;, NOT torture.<br />
So I suppose that once waterboarding is made a &#8220;lawful sanction&#8221; it will stop being torture.</p>
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