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		<title>By: OLKSA</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-nato-abandon-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-254069</link>
		<dc:creator>OLKSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 21:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AL , &quot; two thirds of Ukrainians use russian as
their first language &quot; FALSE ; in spite of 
centuries of draconian measures by the moscovites to suppress the Ukrainian language ,
it is still the primary language of at least 
54% of the population and this percentage will 
only increase as more and more children are 
brought up and schooled in it. And then &quot; 30%
of Ukrainians are ethnic russians &quot;. Have you
actualy tought about that one ? What you no 
doubt meant is, that 30% of the POPULATION is 
ethnic russians . Still , WRONG AGAIN , the 
figure is closer to 17% ! This still high 
percentage is due to the mass starvation ,
(Holodomor) , mass executions , deportations
and other killings the moscovites perpetrated
on the Ukreainian population , at the same time
bringing in hordes of hungry moscovites to take
their place. They and their descendants are now
the primary &quot; russian speakers &quot; and the fifth
column in Ukaine&#039;s rebirth. 
BILL S. , if you compare Ukrianian mentality to 
russian , then you really are not someone that
I would engage in a discussion , however let me
just say that whereas Ukraine has always been a
democratic society , Moscovia does not even have
a concept of democracy . I should think that alone should be enough of an distinction between
us . By the way, Ukraines&#039;s constitution , written by Hetman Pylip Orlyk , in 1712 , pre-
cedes the American by 64 years .
POUL , you must be a military genius ; &quot; eastern
Ukraine is mostly plains , idealy suited for 
russian strategy to attack with tens of thousands of tanks &quot;... Are you insane ? Tens
of thusands ?!!! Anyway are you aware that when
the great conquering moscovite army atacked 
Georgia fully 30% of their tank force was side-
lined during the assault because of mechanical failure ? In any case , not to worry , they can&#039;t afford the gas.
RICK554 , you are dead on , they know the 
moscovites . 
RW , I was there too and you are absolutely 
right.
Here is the way it&#039;s going to play out folks :
Moscovy is not going to attack anybody . All the posturing and saber rattling is for the 
benefit of the Germans and the French and any
one else of the decrepid &quot;Old Europe&quot; crowd that
is so intent on not getting their fuel supply
interrupted . As though the moscovites could
afford to do it . They CANNOT !!! They need the 
money !!! And all the RUSSIAN BEARS and the 
like with all their dreams of imperializm will
have a rude awakening when the whole thing comes crashing down around their ears . No one
wants to be part of those loosers anymore .
China will take Siberia , the Islamic population
of the Caucasus and Central Asia will emerge
and in about twenty years Moscovia will be a
muslim province .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AL , &#8221; two thirds of Ukrainians use russian as<br />
their first language &#8221; FALSE ; in spite of<br />
centuries of draconian measures by the moscovites to suppress the Ukrainian language ,<br />
it is still the primary language of at least<br />
54% of the population and this percentage will<br />
only increase as more and more children are<br />
brought up and schooled in it. And then &#8221; 30%<br />
of Ukrainians are ethnic russians &#8220;. Have you<br />
actualy tought about that one ? What you no<br />
doubt meant is, that 30% of the POPULATION is<br />
ethnic russians . Still , WRONG AGAIN , the<br />
figure is closer to 17% ! This still high<br />
percentage is due to the mass starvation ,<br />
(Holodomor) , mass executions , deportations<br />
and other killings the moscovites perpetrated<br />
on the Ukreainian population , at the same time<br />
bringing in hordes of hungry moscovites to take<br />
their place. They and their descendants are now<br />
the primary &#8221; russian speakers &#8221; and the fifth<br />
column in Ukaine&#8217;s rebirth.<br />
BILL S. , if you compare Ukrianian mentality to<br />
russian , then you really are not someone that<br />
I would engage in a discussion , however let me<br />
just say that whereas Ukraine has always been a<br />
democratic society , Moscovia does not even have<br />
a concept of democracy . I should think that alone should be enough of an distinction between<br />
us . By the way, Ukraines&#8217;s constitution , written by Hetman Pylip Orlyk , in 1712 , pre-<br />
cedes the American by 64 years .<br />
POUL , you must be a military genius ; &#8221; eastern<br />
Ukraine is mostly plains , idealy suited for<br />
russian strategy to attack with tens of thousands of tanks &#8220;&#8230; Are you insane ? Tens<br />
of thusands ?!!! Anyway are you aware that when<br />
the great conquering moscovite army atacked<br />
Georgia fully 30% of their tank force was side-<br />
lined during the assault because of mechanical failure ? In any case , not to worry , they can&#8217;t afford the gas.<br />
RICK554 , you are dead on , they know the<br />
moscovites .<br />
RW , I was there too and you are absolutely<br />
right.<br />
Here is the way it&#8217;s going to play out folks :<br />
Moscovy is not going to attack anybody . All the posturing and saber rattling is for the<br />
benefit of the Germans and the French and any<br />
one else of the decrepid &#8220;Old Europe&#8221; crowd that<br />
is so intent on not getting their fuel supply<br />
interrupted . As though the moscovites could<br />
afford to do it . They CANNOT !!! They need the<br />
money !!! And all the RUSSIAN BEARS and the<br />
like with all their dreams of imperializm will<br />
have a rude awakening when the whole thing comes crashing down around their ears . No one<br />
wants to be part of those loosers anymore .<br />
China will take Siberia , the Islamic population<br />
of the Caucasus and Central Asia will emerge<br />
and in about twenty years Moscovia will be a<br />
muslim province .</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-nato-abandon-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-239329</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kabud, Thanks for showing some information in the periphery that has been largely overlooked. Gorby and Putzin have more in common than not. There is greed in the West to Invest, just like a suckers rally in the stock market. The smart money however won&#039;t go there. What is slowing down the Kremlin plan is money going abroad. Savoks cannot be trusted. That is why LondonGrad exists with a bigger stock market than the US. 

It would be like Educated Gentry trying to move into an American Black Slum like Newark, doing business with normal congeniality. The neighbors seeing your doing good, will harass and treat you with violence. Roosha is Number One in Heroin and alchohol. I know a Ukrainian man there that mowed his lawn, and the Russians burned down his house saying that he wanted too much by doing that.  

Another theory to think about militarily, is that Conquest always favors the North over the South. If the North does not win outright, then it results in a long stalemate. Just the way it happens. Maybe we have to wait for depopulation and disease to wipe it out like the rest of the Mongolian Republics that returned to savagery</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kabud, Thanks for showing some information in the periphery that has been largely overlooked. Gorby and Putzin have more in common than not. There is greed in the West to Invest, just like a suckers rally in the stock market. The smart money however won&#8217;t go there. What is slowing down the Kremlin plan is money going abroad. Savoks cannot be trusted. That is why LondonGrad exists with a bigger stock market than the US. </p>
<p>It would be like Educated Gentry trying to move into an American Black Slum like Newark, doing business with normal congeniality. The neighbors seeing your doing good, will harass and treat you with violence. Roosha is Number One in Heroin and alchohol. I know a Ukrainian man there that mowed his lawn, and the Russians burned down his house saying that he wanted too much by doing that.  </p>
<p>Another theory to think about militarily, is that Conquest always favors the North over the South. If the North does not win outright, then it results in a long stalemate. Just the way it happens. Maybe we have to wait for depopulation and disease to wipe it out like the rest of the Mongolian Republics that returned to savagery</p>
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		<title>By: GuyInCT</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-nato-abandon-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-147838</link>
		<dc:creator>GuyInCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 04:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey kabud, where is your cup? Let me top off that kool-aid for ya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey kabud, where is your cup? Let me top off that kool-aid for ya!</p>
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		<title>By: john peter maher</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-nato-abandon-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-143060</link>
		<dc:creator>john peter maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cuba has more than once been invaded by the US. Read a book. -- Russia is the east edge of the West and has suffered invasion from Germany, the US, France, Britain. Read two books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cuba has more than once been invaded by the US. Read a book. &#8212; Russia is the east edge of the West and has suffered invasion from Germany, the US, France, Britain. Read two books.</p>
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		<title>By: David Colister</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-nato-abandon-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-104359</link>
		<dc:creator>David Colister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kabud: 

I&#039;ve read your comments with great amusement. Does it really MATTER that Russia has 40,000 nukes and there is only 1,000 positioned in Europe? Do you not think that those 1,000 would destroy all of European Russia? Do you not think that a SINGLE US Navy Ohio class submarine laying undetected in ice off the north coast of Siberia couldn&#039;t target Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and a dozen other Russian cities... if EVERY ONE of the 1,000 European missiles were destroyed pre-emptively? Come on! Why even compare numbers? What&#039;s the point of such madness? The USA could destroy Russia with nukes. Russia could destroy the USA with nukes. No elected President of the USA would ever &quot;push the button&quot; first. As unstable as Kruschev was, he never took it to that level. Putin is emminently brighter... it&#039;s just never going to happen. You just don&#039;t get it: all of those former Soviet satellite republics reaching out to the USA and NATO have done so for a REASON - they&#039;ve already lived (been subjected to) the Soviet/Russian way of life, and don&#039;t WANT a return to that. If there is anything the USA has erred in understanding Russia and its recent stance on Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova, it is that Putin and Russia will seek to shore up its influence in those regions historically tied to Russia, those regions where ethnic Russians are a significant portion of the population or are of major strategic importance militarily and/or economically. Russia has already paid a terrible economic price for their unilateral military action across a sovereign country&#039;s border, and as they have quickly discovered, reinstilling foreign investment faith in Russia may take years to achieve. Putin and Medvedev stating that Europe would be hurt more by imposing sanctions against Russia than Russia would be hurt by the (essentially) imposed isolation of them was not completely thought out... yes, the EU is quite reliant on Russian oil and natural gas, BUT, foreign investment (most importantly, the USA, which is NOT hostage to Russian oil) in Russia is EQUALLY critical to Russia&#039;s rise as a global economic power. Personally, I have written hundreds of articles and columns espousing the wisdom of a USA - Russia partnership. The tone in the Kremlin today is: &quot;its done&quot; (the Georgian conflict), and &quot;it&#039;s back to business as usual. It&#039;s SAFE to invest here... really! Please invest with us again!&quot; ... We all know the day is coming: the USS Ronald Reagan docked in Sevastopol at its new Black Sea berth... get hip dude! Now, you know I&#039;m joking, but there are paranoid neo-Soviets in the Kremlin who wake up with that nightmare every day. Which do you think will happen sooner, that, or the Peter the Great docked at Guantanamo Bay, seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kabud: </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read your comments with great amusement. Does it really MATTER that Russia has 40,000 nukes and there is only 1,000 positioned in Europe? Do you not think that those 1,000 would destroy all of European Russia? Do you not think that a SINGLE US Navy Ohio class submarine laying undetected in ice off the north coast of Siberia couldn&#8217;t target Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and a dozen other Russian cities&#8230; if EVERY ONE of the 1,000 European missiles were destroyed pre-emptively? Come on! Why even compare numbers? What&#8217;s the point of such madness? The USA could destroy Russia with nukes. Russia could destroy the USA with nukes. No elected President of the USA would ever &#8220;push the button&#8221; first. As unstable as Kruschev was, he never took it to that level. Putin is emminently brighter&#8230; it&#8217;s just never going to happen. You just don&#8217;t get it: all of those former Soviet satellite republics reaching out to the USA and NATO have done so for a REASON &#8211; they&#8217;ve already lived (been subjected to) the Soviet/Russian way of life, and don&#8217;t WANT a return to that. If there is anything the USA has erred in understanding Russia and its recent stance on Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova, it is that Putin and Russia will seek to shore up its influence in those regions historically tied to Russia, those regions where ethnic Russians are a significant portion of the population or are of major strategic importance militarily and/or economically. Russia has already paid a terrible economic price for their unilateral military action across a sovereign country&#8217;s border, and as they have quickly discovered, reinstilling foreign investment faith in Russia may take years to achieve. Putin and Medvedev stating that Europe would be hurt more by imposing sanctions against Russia than Russia would be hurt by the (essentially) imposed isolation of them was not completely thought out&#8230; yes, the EU is quite reliant on Russian oil and natural gas, BUT, foreign investment (most importantly, the USA, which is NOT hostage to Russian oil) in Russia is EQUALLY critical to Russia&#8217;s rise as a global economic power. Personally, I have written hundreds of articles and columns espousing the wisdom of a USA &#8211; Russia partnership. The tone in the Kremlin today is: &#8220;its done&#8221; (the Georgian conflict), and &#8220;it&#8217;s back to business as usual. It&#8217;s SAFE to invest here&#8230; really! Please invest with us again!&#8221; &#8230; We all know the day is coming: the USS Ronald Reagan docked in Sevastopol at its new Black Sea berth&#8230; get hip dude! Now, you know I&#8217;m joking, but there are paranoid neo-Soviets in the Kremlin who wake up with that nightmare every day. Which do you think will happen sooner, that, or the Peter the Great docked at Guantanamo Bay, seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Le Truth</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-nato-abandon-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-100531</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Le Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laughable it is, listening to the world&#039;s Shylocks cry foul over Russia&#039;s historic 21st-century economic wealth and speedy global ascendancy.  Hitch your panties, Kim, and admit to yourself that Russia didn&#039;t resume her role as &quot;the bear&quot; this month, until after Georgian rockets mysteriously found their way into South Ossetia.  Baby, you can fool the Levant, perhaps, but not the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laughable it is, listening to the world&#8217;s Shylocks cry foul over Russia&#8217;s historic 21st-century economic wealth and speedy global ascendancy.  Hitch your panties, Kim, and admit to yourself that Russia didn&#8217;t resume her role as &#8220;the bear&#8221; this month, until after Georgian rockets mysteriously found their way into South Ossetia.  Baby, you can fool the Levant, perhaps, but not the world.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice to say that Putin is just a new Stalin waiting to expand back into the old Soviet shoes, but this denies exactly how much the US has invested in Central Asia and the South Caucasus over the last 10 years.  It is US involvement (particularly in the natural gas industry) that has sparked the nationalist/jingoistic sentiment of Putin&#039;s keepers.  If they can&#039;t make money off mineral rights in their own sphere, you better believe the Russian oligarchs will fight to control the flow of that energy from their sphere.  There is far to little empathy for Putin&#039;s actions.  What would you do if a Starbucks opened up further down the same private drive you own a coffeshop on?  You&#039;d blockade the road back to it if you knew you could get away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to say that Putin is just a new Stalin waiting to expand back into the old Soviet shoes, but this denies exactly how much the US has invested in Central Asia and the South Caucasus over the last 10 years.  It is US involvement (particularly in the natural gas industry) that has sparked the nationalist/jingoistic sentiment of Putin&#8217;s keepers.  If they can&#8217;t make money off mineral rights in their own sphere, you better believe the Russian oligarchs will fight to control the flow of that energy from their sphere.  There is far to little empathy for Putin&#8217;s actions.  What would you do if a Starbucks opened up further down the same private drive you own a coffeshop on?  You&#8217;d blockade the road back to it if you knew you could get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Captain&#8217;s Journal &#187; Concerning the Soviets, Georgia, Ukraine and NATO</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Captain&#8217;s Journal &#187; Concerning the Soviets, Georgia, Ukraine and NATO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Russians are now dug in, and Kim Zigfeld writing for Pajamas Media has asked the next obvious question. A few months ago, the issue of Ukraine’s admission to NATO [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kabud</title>
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		<dc:creator>kabud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notes on Grand Strategy
By J.R. Nyquist 12.18.01

Recently a German reader and researcher wrote to ask me about Russia&#039;s threat to Europe. At the risk of boring American readers who may not know where Europe is, I will offer some observations that may be useful for understanding the overall significance of the Russia-China alliance.

Europe is the main prize that Russia hopes to win in the event of a future world war. That being said, Russian strategy fluxuates as conditions change. One also has to keep in mind that there are two different schools of strategic thought at work in the Kremlin since the late 1950s. These I will describe in general outline.

From a careful review of Russian defector testimony and Soviet military literature, it appears that a dialectical approach was developed by Soviet planners after the advent of the Brezhnev Committee (which met from 1956-57). This is the committee which brought KGB Gen. Dmitri Mironov together with Marshal V. Sokolovskiy in an effort to integrate nuclear war concepts with advanced disinformation and subversion concepts.

In the history of strategic theory we find two dialectically opposed ideas of war. First, we have the Chinese theorist Sun Tzu, who said excellence in war consists in &quot;winning without fighting,&quot; and we have Carl von Clausewitz who emphasized that winning without fighting is a dangerous concept because it leaves one unready for the bloody confrontation. When Soviet strategic theory was revised in 1956-57, Mironov represented the Sun Tzu theory and Sokolovskiy represented the Clausewitz theory. Looking at defector testimony and Soviet strategic literature the two theories were joined in a dialectical forward march -- a competitive interaction with one side of the dialectic advancing the agenda of the other.

How does this dialectic work?

In a conversation I had with former GRU Col. Stanislav Lunev in 1998, I was given an ultra-simplified version of the 1980s Soviet war plan against NATO. According to Lunev the First Strategic Echelon of the Warsaw Pact would drive over NATO&#039;s nuclear land mines and be destroyed. Then the Second Strategic Echelon would advance to exchange tactical nuclear blows with NATO forces. Then the Third Strategic Echelon would overrun Europe. This is a simplistic version of something incredibly complex, but readers will get the overall picture of blood, fire and horror that it presents.

How does this bloody Clausewitzian plan dialectically advance the cause of winning without fighting?

The very existence of this plan and the psychological pressure it exerted on Europe resulted in a Russian peace offensive under Gorbachev that effectively disarmed and denuclearized Europe in a remarkable way, so that Russian strategists are near to their goal of bypassing Europe entirely in any future war with America. In fact, the European press is reporting that France&#039;s military forces -- Western Europe&#039;s main continental nuclear power -- are in total disarray after a decade of budget cuts and mismanagement. A confidential French Ministry of Defense report states that France&#039;s armed forces are incapable of defending the country. A third of the country&#039;s tanks are unusable and half the helicopters are grounded. It is all due, of course, to Russia&#039;s strategy of pulling back from its previously threatening position in Central Europe.

France is not the only European country with a backward and useless military machine. Russia&#039;s efforts to pacify Europe have worked like a charm. Only a few largely political obstacles remain for Moscow in Europe, and although these are proving to be quite painful to remove, future tricks are sure to take Europe out of America&#039;s benevolent orbit. When that happens Russia will be free to unite with China and North Korea against America in the Pacific.

It is only obvious, as things stand today, that any future war pitting Russia against America will involve a Russian-Chinese cross-Pacific attack on American interests. The advantage for Russia would be in keeping Europe out of such a war, safe and neutral for later use.

It has to be understood that Russia&#039;s sophisticated combination strategy aims at America&#039;s defeat, not at Europe&#039;s destruction. Why fight 19 countries for world dominion when you only have to fight one country -- the USA?

There is great danger, however, in Moscow&#039;s extreme reliance on deception and disinformation. Even now people (like journalist Gordon Thomas) are beginning to trace the lines between Beijing and bin Laden. They can also trace the lines that connect Beijing and Moscow. Given the fact that people will eventually see through Russia&#039;s schemes, Europe cannot be a reliable partner for Russia. Even if Europe one day moves away from America toward Russia the mistake will soon be realized and regretted.

In a certain sense every deceiver puts himself in the Devil&#039;s chair, and this is what Russia has done. However successful you are in tricking the whole world, one day you must act contrary to everyone&#039;s expections. When that happens Europe will realize that communism&#039;s collapse was a brilliant organizational contrivance, involving great failures but also significant successes upon which Moscow built a new and better strategic position for itself. Already this realization begins to make its appearance in Washington D.C. It even appears in the work of columnists like William Safire who suddenly dub themselves &quot;Angletonians&quot; (i.e., people who see through Russia&#039;s schemes).

There is also another difficulty which Russia must eventually face. Carl von Clausewitz was far deeper in his analysis than Sun Tzu. In my opinion the Russian objective is too ambitious, their maneuvers too elaborate and one day their moves will appear absolutely transparent. That&#039;s when the next great war in Europe will break out.

I think we should look ahead to a period of crisis in the next several years. The enemies of America seem to be fishing for weaknesses. Well, they have so far come up empty-handed, though time will tell.

The key point here, I think, is for American strategists to Watch the Far East and for Europeans to stick by the Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notes on Grand Strategy<br />
By J.R. Nyquist 12.18.01</p>
<p>Recently a German reader and researcher wrote to ask me about Russia&#8217;s threat to Europe. At the risk of boring American readers who may not know where Europe is, I will offer some observations that may be useful for understanding the overall significance of the Russia-China alliance.</p>
<p>Europe is the main prize that Russia hopes to win in the event of a future world war. That being said, Russian strategy fluxuates as conditions change. One also has to keep in mind that there are two different schools of strategic thought at work in the Kremlin since the late 1950s. These I will describe in general outline.</p>
<p>From a careful review of Russian defector testimony and Soviet military literature, it appears that a dialectical approach was developed by Soviet planners after the advent of the Brezhnev Committee (which met from 1956-57). This is the committee which brought KGB Gen. Dmitri Mironov together with Marshal V. Sokolovskiy in an effort to integrate nuclear war concepts with advanced disinformation and subversion concepts.</p>
<p>In the history of strategic theory we find two dialectically opposed ideas of war. First, we have the Chinese theorist Sun Tzu, who said excellence in war consists in &#8220;winning without fighting,&#8221; and we have Carl von Clausewitz who emphasized that winning without fighting is a dangerous concept because it leaves one unready for the bloody confrontation. When Soviet strategic theory was revised in 1956-57, Mironov represented the Sun Tzu theory and Sokolovskiy represented the Clausewitz theory. Looking at defector testimony and Soviet strategic literature the two theories were joined in a dialectical forward march &#8212; a competitive interaction with one side of the dialectic advancing the agenda of the other.</p>
<p>How does this dialectic work?</p>
<p>In a conversation I had with former GRU Col. Stanislav Lunev in 1998, I was given an ultra-simplified version of the 1980s Soviet war plan against NATO. According to Lunev the First Strategic Echelon of the Warsaw Pact would drive over NATO&#8217;s nuclear land mines and be destroyed. Then the Second Strategic Echelon would advance to exchange tactical nuclear blows with NATO forces. Then the Third Strategic Echelon would overrun Europe. This is a simplistic version of something incredibly complex, but readers will get the overall picture of blood, fire and horror that it presents.</p>
<p>How does this bloody Clausewitzian plan dialectically advance the cause of winning without fighting?</p>
<p>The very existence of this plan and the psychological pressure it exerted on Europe resulted in a Russian peace offensive under Gorbachev that effectively disarmed and denuclearized Europe in a remarkable way, so that Russian strategists are near to their goal of bypassing Europe entirely in any future war with America. In fact, the European press is reporting that France&#8217;s military forces &#8212; Western Europe&#8217;s main continental nuclear power &#8212; are in total disarray after a decade of budget cuts and mismanagement. A confidential French Ministry of Defense report states that France&#8217;s armed forces are incapable of defending the country. A third of the country&#8217;s tanks are unusable and half the helicopters are grounded. It is all due, of course, to Russia&#8217;s strategy of pulling back from its previously threatening position in Central Europe.</p>
<p>France is not the only European country with a backward and useless military machine. Russia&#8217;s efforts to pacify Europe have worked like a charm. Only a few largely political obstacles remain for Moscow in Europe, and although these are proving to be quite painful to remove, future tricks are sure to take Europe out of America&#8217;s benevolent orbit. When that happens Russia will be free to unite with China and North Korea against America in the Pacific.</p>
<p>It is only obvious, as things stand today, that any future war pitting Russia against America will involve a Russian-Chinese cross-Pacific attack on American interests. The advantage for Russia would be in keeping Europe out of such a war, safe and neutral for later use.</p>
<p>It has to be understood that Russia&#8217;s sophisticated combination strategy aims at America&#8217;s defeat, not at Europe&#8217;s destruction. Why fight 19 countries for world dominion when you only have to fight one country &#8212; the USA?</p>
<p>There is great danger, however, in Moscow&#8217;s extreme reliance on deception and disinformation. Even now people (like journalist Gordon Thomas) are beginning to trace the lines between Beijing and bin Laden. They can also trace the lines that connect Beijing and Moscow. Given the fact that people will eventually see through Russia&#8217;s schemes, Europe cannot be a reliable partner for Russia. Even if Europe one day moves away from America toward Russia the mistake will soon be realized and regretted.</p>
<p>In a certain sense every deceiver puts himself in the Devil&#8217;s chair, and this is what Russia has done. However successful you are in tricking the whole world, one day you must act contrary to everyone&#8217;s expections. When that happens Europe will realize that communism&#8217;s collapse was a brilliant organizational contrivance, involving great failures but also significant successes upon which Moscow built a new and better strategic position for itself. Already this realization begins to make its appearance in Washington D.C. It even appears in the work of columnists like William Safire who suddenly dub themselves &#8220;Angletonians&#8221; (i.e., people who see through Russia&#8217;s schemes).</p>
<p>There is also another difficulty which Russia must eventually face. Carl von Clausewitz was far deeper in his analysis than Sun Tzu. In my opinion the Russian objective is too ambitious, their maneuvers too elaborate and one day their moves will appear absolutely transparent. That&#8217;s when the next great war in Europe will break out.</p>
<p>I think we should look ahead to a period of crisis in the next several years. The enemies of America seem to be fishing for weaknesses. Well, they have so far come up empty-handed, though time will tell.</p>
<p>The key point here, I think, is for American strategists to Watch the Far East and for Europeans to stick by the Americans.</p>
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		<description>RW:
you have more wishful thinking then is healthy

read my first comment up there, it is realistic assessment of the situation

NATO never conducted ANY military operation of sufficient significance

KREMLIN goal now with the war in Georgia and threats to Ukraine and Moldova is:

to scare Europe, push USA out of Europe, finish with NATO by dividing it by fear, ----&gt;

then Europe will be totally unprotected because there are less then 100 nuclear warheads in Europe and up to 40000 in Russia

USA is the only military protector for Europe

Kremlin pushes for NE DEFENCE STRUCTURE in Europe where KREMLIN WILL DOMINATE

Next step will be surprise attack on USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RW:<br />
you have more wishful thinking then is healthy</p>
<p>read my first comment up there, it is realistic assessment of the situation</p>
<p>NATO never conducted ANY military operation of sufficient significance</p>
<p>KREMLIN goal now with the war in Georgia and threats to Ukraine and Moldova is:</p>
<p>to scare Europe, push USA out of Europe, finish with NATO by dividing it by fear, &#8212;-&gt;</p>
<p>then Europe will be totally unprotected because there are less then 100 nuclear warheads in Europe and up to 40000 in Russia</p>
<p>USA is the only military protector for Europe</p>
<p>Kremlin pushes for NE DEFENCE STRUCTURE in Europe where KREMLIN WILL DOMINATE</p>
<p>Next step will be surprise attack on USA</p>
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