Comments on: Will Obama ‘Betray’ Environmentalists?

By: BC

BC — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:02:55 +0000

A word of advice to right wingers/conservatives about the topic of global warming: whenever you open your mouths about it, “Moron” balloons appear above your heads, and it’s impossible to take anything you say from that point on seriously. You don’t understand the science, you constantly confuse who are real climate researchers and who are fringe or oil company shills, and you constantly present your own laughable half-ass “research” usually by parsing out bits and pieces of info completely and worthlessly out of context. Just some friendly advice — it’s best you stay away from the topic altogether.

By: Ms Attitude

Ms Attitude — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:50:52 +0000

I’m not a scientist so I won’t even pretend to know the facts about the global warming theory. I only know what I’ve seen. I stood on a glacier, walked through a redwood tree, stood on the beaches of the Atlantic and Pacific Coast, stood over the Grand Canyon, white water rafted down the Ocoee, and I’ve been in the Everglades. I’ve stood on the top of Pike’s Peak and canooed on a lake in the Grand Teton’s. I would love for my children and grandchildren to have the ability to do all of these things and more.

I’m bothered by pollution…the smell of cars out in the wilderness (but it’s how I got there too), loud music on the beach, and not being able to see the stars because of all of the ground light (I use lights too). And the red tide on the Gulf of Mexico…so sad, all the dead sea animals and the stench!

We need to be careful on how we go about fixing the environment. Remember when the federal govt made more farm land in Florida by putting a canal through the swamps thus changing the Kissimmee River into C-38 canal? Disaster! Now they have torn down the canals and slowly but surely the swamp and river are repairing itself.

By: jerryofva

jerryofva — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:11:02 +0000

A little late but here is some real data. Satellite measurements put the global temperature at the same level that it was when satellite measurement started. It shows that the temperature peaked in 1998 and remained relatively constant for a few a years before dropping like a rock. Global temperature is best modeled as an autoregressive integrated moving average process (ARIMA). An ARIMA process is expressed as function of signs and cosigns, i.e., cycles. The measured data on global temperatures exhibit these tendencies.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/say-it-aint-so-joe-world-global-temps.html

And here is a chart of the last ten years ending in April 08. Temperatures have cooled even more since then…

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/rss-msu-monthly-anom-zoom_042008.png

Global warming is not science; it is a best modeling and simulation. At worst it is a religion. The data does not support global warming.

By: Liberty

Liberty — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:12:29 +0000

Dear Amy,
You’re missing the point. The extremem environmental regulations are supposed to control CO2 emissions. Carbon dioxide is not causing global warming. Al Gore’s premise is
based on incompetent computer modeling. The “hockey stick” graph is not accurate. The “scientists” cooked the books. The peer review process has been subverted. CO2 follows warming, it does not lead it. The polar bear pictures were not the truth, they are fine; the Maldives are not sinking. It’s the sun.
This does not mean we should abandon efforts to control real pollutants, it does mean that EPA regulations of CO2 emissions from buildings, cows and chickens as well as cap and trade rules for industry are futile wastes of taxpayer money which will devastate our economy. This does not mean we should cease
our efforts to curtail our dependency on foreign oil or make efforts to find other forms of energy. It does however remove the necessity
for urgent action or destroying our economy.

By: Liberty

Liberty — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:04:27 +0000

Dear Amy

These 2 sites nail it.

James A. Peden convincingly demolishes arguments that CO2 causes global warming.
http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html

Canadian Free Press has good 11-part series on history and politics of the CO2.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3021

By: Jesus St. Jesus

Jesus St. Jesus — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:16:01 +0000

Wow.

~Eight to nine far right extremeists repeatedly pumping themselves up on an out of the way blog, and through this groupthink puff themselves to state that they speak for 47.8% of the voters in the country.

This is the problem with the Republicans: the few have tried for too long to tell the many what to think…

By: Pat J

Pat J — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:21:46 +0000

No worries T K. thanks for making this an interesting discussion.

By: Tailgunner

Tailgunner — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:54:17 +0000

CO2 IS AIR!! What is wrong with us? We might as well regulate Nitrogen!

This climate change crap is being pushed WAY too far.

By: Amy

Amy — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:16:56 +0000

Stalemate or Surrender?
J/K
So often these discussions become futile. They teach us in Science 101 that conflicting paradigms can be supported by the exact same evidence because personal bias allows us to dismiss or rationalize any evidence that we need to. I am disappointed, but maybe someday someone researching what we have discussed will tune in and be convinced one way or the other. Or maybe someday all of this will convert from theory to fact or to debunked theory and one of us will get to feel very smart.

By: The Whale

The Whale — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:01:56 +0000

Cap and Trade == Crap On your Parade. Global Warming == Global Worming into your pocket book by hack pols. Its all just so craptacular. I for one hope Obama spends his whole timetrying to pass all these neo fascist left enviroMental laws. Then we can get a new congress in 2010 and new Prez IN 2012. Or he can do something smart, for once. It is so simple even that idiot harry reaid and his side kick nancy the red will understand it. You Retrofit every house in the USa with a SOLar hot water and heating system. Cost about 5 grand average. Charge everyone an extra 300 bucks in taxes till ist paid off or whenthe house is sold its paid off. Why would this help? Its simple. Solar hot water heaters heat hot water to 140 degrees or better even in the dead of winter. You preheat all your hot water for baths etc, but even more important you preheat all your hot water for heat. That is one of things driving up the price of oil. You can only sue heavy crude to make no#2 heating oil or diesel for cars and trucks. Its the same thing by the way. If you cut the demand for home heating oil in half, which this plan would, then the price will drop to about 75cents a gallon. the price of diesel will drop as well. If you then mix the diesel into bio diesel the price will drop even more. If you switch all the large trucks to natural gas it gets even better. Now thats a solution. Not Crap on your parade or idiots on tv making tiny compost boxes. if you want compost make a decent size box, and put everything in there, don’t know what it does for the enviro, but its great for the vegatable patch. By the By my grandmother taught me that 40 years ago. And she was a republican. Go Figure. This is The Whale Blogging from Blog Free Nazi Jersey, waiting for the knock at the door, papers Please……