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		<title>By: Emmanuel Kikekon</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/winning-this-war-requires-language-of-faith/comment-page-4/#comment-366281</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmanuel Kikekon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Nigerian Christian and I&#039;ve been alarmed at the West&#039;s heinous compromises of her godly Christian root in the name of diplomacy.

These godless fundamentalists are already at the West&#039;s jugular. Except we pray, they&#039;ll soon overrun even the White House and 10 Downing Street. Your cherished culture and values have already been destroyed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Nigerian Christian and I&#8217;ve been alarmed at the West&#8217;s heinous compromises of her godly Christian root in the name of diplomacy.</p>
<p>These godless fundamentalists are already at the West&#8217;s jugular. Except we pray, they&#8217;ll soon overrun even the White House and 10 Downing Street. Your cherished culture and values have already been destroyed</p>
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		<title>By: TalkinKamel</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/winning-this-war-requires-language-of-faith/comment-page-4/#comment-172163</link>
		<dc:creator>TalkinKamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tanstaafl, are you and Karl up to your old tricks again?  Now what did I tell you about being his sock puppet!  Stop regurgitating his talking points, right this minute!  If you must regurgitate anything, it should be leftist talking points!  Lynn Stewart was just doing her job, it&#039;s all Bush&#039;s fault, Obama is the Lightbringer, and will fix everything, and make the trains run on time, too!

(Okay, end of sarc.  Tanstaafl, it wasn&#039;t you I was making fun of. . . )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tanstaafl, are you and Karl up to your old tricks again?  Now what did I tell you about being his sock puppet!  Stop regurgitating his talking points, right this minute!  If you must regurgitate anything, it should be leftist talking points!  Lynn Stewart was just doing her job, it&#8217;s all Bush&#8217;s fault, Obama is the Lightbringer, and will fix everything, and make the trains run on time, too!</p>
<p>(Okay, end of sarc.  Tanstaafl, it wasn&#8217;t you I was making fun of. . . )</p>
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		<title>By: TalkinKamel</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/winning-this-war-requires-language-of-faith/comment-page-4/#comment-172014</link>
		<dc:creator>TalkinKamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh,and David?  It is never part of a laywer&#039;s job to help his client carry out crimes while he&#039;s in custody, or deliver messages to his client&#039;s subordinates that will result in crimes being carried out.  If Lynn Stewart had been delivering messages for a mobster, instead of the (to you) politically correct shiek, you wouldn&#039;t be so quick to defend her as just doing her lawyer&#039;s job (at least, I hope you wouldn&#039;t).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh,and David?  It is never part of a laywer&#8217;s job to help his client carry out crimes while he&#8217;s in custody, or deliver messages to his client&#8217;s subordinates that will result in crimes being carried out.  If Lynn Stewart had been delivering messages for a mobster, instead of the (to you) politically correct shiek, you wouldn&#8217;t be so quick to defend her as just doing her lawyer&#8217;s job (at least, I hope you wouldn&#8217;t).</p>
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		<title>By: TalkinKamel</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/winning-this-war-requires-language-of-faith/comment-page-4/#comment-172011</link>
		<dc:creator>TalkinKamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is David S. still going on about how the American invasion of Iraq is the source of all the world&#039;s ills?  Good Heavens!

By the way---I guess the Mumbai terrorists didn&#039;t get the memo about how Obama is going to take care of everything now, because they scheduled their attack after the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is David S. still going on about how the American invasion of Iraq is the source of all the world&#8217;s ills?  Good Heavens!</p>
<p>By the way&#8212;I guess the Mumbai terrorists didn&#8217;t get the memo about how Obama is going to take care of everything now, because they scheduled their attack after the election.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Thankfully we now have someone competent, who understand these problems, preparing to take over.&lt;/i&gt;

Barack Obama has never demonstrated any particular competence in any of his public positions, community organizer (he got discouraged  and boogied to Harvard law), state senator (obtained through questionable means and Tony Rezko, the convicted felon due to be sentenced after the inauguration, how convenient, his biggest fundraiser (not to mention being the guy who bought and sold to the Obamas a portion of the lot next door to their Chicago mansion),  the state Senate where most of his votes were &quot;present&quot;, the US Senate from which he&#039;s been largely absent since taking office 2005, &quot;running&quot; for President for 2+ years, his choice of &quot;pastor&quot; for 20 years, whose latest gaffe, pontificating at his old church December 7, was to blame the US for attacking &quot;innocent Japanese&quot; on Dec. 7, 1941, when, in historical fact, that day is &quot;Pearl Harbor Day&quot; the day the American fleet was attacked by the Japanese in Hawaii)

(man, I&#039;ll get typers&#039; cramp if I keep up this litany of Barack Obama&#039;s demonstrated bad choices and incompetence...)

We don&#039;t even know if he was a &quot;competent&quot; student, since he has never released his transcript of grades from Columbia and Harvard.

But you just keep on keeping on with the love and adoration, DS, because they need all the foot soldiers in the army of True Believers they can muster. 

(oh wait, Barack Obama is a competent speaker when he has a prepared speech/teleprompter in front of him.  Without those tools, however, he&#039;s full of uhs and ahs and quite a bit of blarney...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Thankfully we now have someone competent, who understand these problems, preparing to take over.</i></p>
<p>Barack Obama has never demonstrated any particular competence in any of his public positions, community organizer (he got discouraged  and boogied to Harvard law), state senator (obtained through questionable means and Tony Rezko, the convicted felon due to be sentenced after the inauguration, how convenient, his biggest fundraiser (not to mention being the guy who bought and sold to the Obamas a portion of the lot next door to their Chicago mansion),  the state Senate where most of his votes were &#8220;present&#8221;, the US Senate from which he&#8217;s been largely absent since taking office 2005, &#8220;running&#8221; for President for 2+ years, his choice of &#8220;pastor&#8221; for 20 years, whose latest gaffe, pontificating at his old church December 7, was to blame the US for attacking &#8220;innocent Japanese&#8221; on Dec. 7, 1941, when, in historical fact, that day is &#8220;Pearl Harbor Day&#8221; the day the American fleet was attacked by the Japanese in Hawaii)</p>
<p>(man, I&#8217;ll get typers&#8217; cramp if I keep up this litany of Barack Obama&#8217;s demonstrated bad choices and incompetence&#8230;)</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t even know if he was a &#8220;competent&#8221; student, since he has never released his transcript of grades from Columbia and Harvard.</p>
<p>But you just keep on keeping on with the love and adoration, DS, because they need all the foot soldiers in the army of True Believers they can muster. </p>
<p>(oh wait, Barack Obama is a competent speaker when he has a prepared speech/teleprompter in front of him.  Without those tools, however, he&#8217;s full of uhs and ahs and quite a bit of blarney&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tanstaafl,

If you can&#039;t even take the time to research your own examples, how do you ever expect to understand the world around you?

You are simply regurgitating talking points from Karl Rove.  At least you acknowledge that there were clear warnings of 9/11 from the FBI that went unheeded.

There is no doubt that America faces many challenges due to the abysmal policies of Bush &amp; Co.  From global carbon emissions to fiscal meltdown to middle east conflicts, there is a big mess left by an extended period of Republican largess.

Thankfully we now have someone competent, who understand these problems, preparing to take over.  He won&#039;t be able to fix it all in 100 days, but at least he can get us started on repairing the damage.

DS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tanstaafl,</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t even take the time to research your own examples, how do you ever expect to understand the world around you?</p>
<p>You are simply regurgitating talking points from Karl Rove.  At least you acknowledge that there were clear warnings of 9/11 from the FBI that went unheeded.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that America faces many challenges due to the abysmal policies of Bush &amp; Co.  From global carbon emissions to fiscal meltdown to middle east conflicts, there is a big mess left by an extended period of Republican largess.</p>
<p>Thankfully we now have someone competent, who understand these problems, preparing to take over.  He won&#8217;t be able to fix it all in 100 days, but at least he can get us started on repairing the damage.</p>
<p>DS</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...it’s not hard to see that she was tried and convicted for doing her job as a lawyer...&lt;/i&gt;

I didn&#039;t go to your link, but what she was convicted of was carrying messages out to the incarcerated Sheikh Rahman&#039;s terrorist cronies.

Which amounts, in my view of the world, to an act of treason.

The not so good sheikh, BTW, is a personal favorite of Osama bin laden.  From Palestine to Colorado (where, I think the guy is incarcerated these days), any imprisonment of mentors and leaders in &quot;the movement&quot; really sticks in the craw of Islamists.  ...Now Rahman has been ailing (blind, diabetic &amp; heart) for a long time.  When he dies in American custody, you can expect some hell to break loose.  

&lt;i&gt;Warnings of 9/11 were clear and unambiguous, and this administration chose not to intervene.&lt;/i&gt;

Another grandiose and empty statement, completely without meaning, sense or facts to back it up, beyond the unheeded warnings of one  FBI guy in the southwest or somewhere as to his sense of what was going on with Atta &amp; friends before it actually happened.

&lt;i&gt;Thankfully there is a new Commander in Chief arriving next month who stands a chance of turning things around.&lt;/i&gt;

Cough :) AlGore (you know, that chubby guy who personally uses more of the Tenn. energy grid than thousands of Tenn. households combined and who travels about by private jet, spewing hot air and wasted jet fuel emissions into the planet&#039;s atmosphere ?...but I digress...)  AlGore just said last week that The One™ doesn&#039;t have much time left to stop the seas rising and so forth :) 

You&#039;re gonna get bizness as usual from Washington insiders and politicians.  Hope your bubble doesn&#039;t burst too badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;it’s not hard to see that she was tried and convicted for doing her job as a lawyer&#8230;</i></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t go to your link, but what she was convicted of was carrying messages out to the incarcerated Sheikh Rahman&#8217;s terrorist cronies.</p>
<p>Which amounts, in my view of the world, to an act of treason.</p>
<p>The not so good sheikh, BTW, is a personal favorite of Osama bin laden.  From Palestine to Colorado (where, I think the guy is incarcerated these days), any imprisonment of mentors and leaders in &#8220;the movement&#8221; really sticks in the craw of Islamists.  &#8230;Now Rahman has been ailing (blind, diabetic &amp; heart) for a long time.  When he dies in American custody, you can expect some hell to break loose.  </p>
<p><i>Warnings of 9/11 were clear and unambiguous, and this administration chose not to intervene.</i></p>
<p>Another grandiose and empty statement, completely without meaning, sense or facts to back it up, beyond the unheeded warnings of one  FBI guy in the southwest or somewhere as to his sense of what was going on with Atta &amp; friends before it actually happened.</p>
<p><i>Thankfully there is a new Commander in Chief arriving next month who stands a chance of turning things around.</i></p>
<p>Cough <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  AlGore (you know, that chubby guy who personally uses more of the Tenn. energy grid than thousands of Tenn. households combined and who travels about by private jet, spewing hot air and wasted jet fuel emissions into the planet&#8217;s atmosphere ?&#8230;but I digress&#8230;)  AlGore just said last week that The One™ doesn&#8217;t have much time left to stop the seas rising and so forth <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re gonna get bizness as usual from Washington insiders and politicians.  Hope your bubble doesn&#8217;t burst too badly.</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tanstaafl,

I reiterate:

...what would be most helpful would be to use reason and enlightenment to help resolve the underlying issues that drive the fanatics. Insisting on a war, and couching the war in religious terms, is simply a recipe for continued and amplified disaster.

If we lead by example, and persecute our ‘enemies’ with the ‘language of faith’ as our tool, we only embolden these fanatics to do the same. Better to make friends.

...

The &quot;Iraq Liberation Act&quot; that you cite is much more along the lines of making friends than the invasion led by GWB.

Warnings of 9/11 were clear and unambiguous, and this administration chose not to intervene.

I won&#039;t deny that objective measures indicate that my intelligence exceeds the average congressperson&#039;s.

We&#039;ve lost more Americans in Iraq now than we lost on 9/11.  Thankfully there is a new Commander in Chief arriving next month who stands a chance of turning things around.

Peace

DS


PS - 

http://LynneStewart.org - Hosts a complete archive of her case - it&#039;s not hard to see that she was tried and convicted for doing her job as a lawyer. 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_go_ot/guantanamo_detainees - Just the most recent case where the judicial branch has been forced to restrain an out-of-bounds executive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tanstaafl,</p>
<p>I reiterate:</p>
<p>&#8230;what would be most helpful would be to use reason and enlightenment to help resolve the underlying issues that drive the fanatics. Insisting on a war, and couching the war in religious terms, is simply a recipe for continued and amplified disaster.</p>
<p>If we lead by example, and persecute our ‘enemies’ with the ‘language of faith’ as our tool, we only embolden these fanatics to do the same. Better to make friends.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>The &#8220;Iraq Liberation Act&#8221; that you cite is much more along the lines of making friends than the invasion led by GWB.</p>
<p>Warnings of 9/11 were clear and unambiguous, and this administration chose not to intervene.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t deny that objective measures indicate that my intelligence exceeds the average congressperson&#8217;s.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve lost more Americans in Iraq now than we lost on 9/11.  Thankfully there is a new Commander in Chief arriving next month who stands a chance of turning things around.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
<p>DS</p>
<p>PS &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://LynneStewart.org" rel="nofollow">http://LynneStewart.org</a> &#8211; Hosts a complete archive of her case &#8211; it&#8217;s not hard to see that she was tried and convicted for doing her job as a lawyer. </p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_go_ot/guantanamo_detainees" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_go_ot/guantanamo_detainees</a> &#8211; Just the most recent case where the judicial branch has been forced to restrain an out-of-bounds executive.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re a perfect echo for the talking points of the Left, DS.

As was pointed out to you above (it obviously didn&#039;t sink in), the attacks of 911 were in the pipeline, revised and revised again, for many years preceding GW Bush&#039;s presidency.

As for follow up attacks, trust me, people (not yourself) have been working very hard on your behalf to interdict other plans for attacks on America.  

You throw around grandiose statements that ring hollow.  You make no substantive remark as to the self-serving idiot Lynne Stewart and give no examples relative to detentions, suspension of habeas corpus (the guys at Guantanamo aren&#039;t, in fact, eligible for this Constitutionally guaranteed protection) and so on.

The United States Senate voted overwhelmingly to authorize the use of force against Iraq.  The United States House of Represenatives voted the same in a majority.  I guess you&#039;re just smarter than all those individuals in Congress who were &quot;scammed&quot;, many of whom spent the previous decade making extensive public statements as to the threat of Saddam Hussein.  

It was under Bill Clinton, 1998, that removal of Saddam Hussein became the official foreign policy of the United States.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Iraq_Liberation_Act_of_1998&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iraq Liberation Act&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;ll say one thing positive about you DS,  you&#039;re reasonably &quot;articulate&quot;.  (which is what Joe Biden said Fall 2007 about Barack Obama around the time he (Biden) was arguing that Obama wasn&#039;t sufficiently experienced to serve as US President :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a perfect echo for the talking points of the Left, DS.</p>
<p>As was pointed out to you above (it obviously didn&#8217;t sink in), the attacks of 911 were in the pipeline, revised and revised again, for many years preceding GW Bush&#8217;s presidency.</p>
<p>As for follow up attacks, trust me, people (not yourself) have been working very hard on your behalf to interdict other plans for attacks on America.  </p>
<p>You throw around grandiose statements that ring hollow.  You make no substantive remark as to the self-serving idiot Lynne Stewart and give no examples relative to detentions, suspension of habeas corpus (the guys at Guantanamo aren&#8217;t, in fact, eligible for this Constitutionally guaranteed protection) and so on.</p>
<p>The United States Senate voted overwhelmingly to authorize the use of force against Iraq.  The United States House of Represenatives voted the same in a majority.  I guess you&#8217;re just smarter than all those individuals in Congress who were &#8220;scammed&#8221;, many of whom spent the previous decade making extensive public statements as to the threat of Saddam Hussein.  </p>
<p>It was under Bill Clinton, 1998, that removal of Saddam Hussein became the official foreign policy of the United States.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Iraq_Liberation_Act_of_1998" rel="nofollow">Iraq Liberation Act</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say one thing positive about you DS,  you&#8217;re reasonably &#8220;articulate&#8221;.  (which is what Joe Biden said Fall 2007 about Barack Obama around the time he (Biden) was arguing that Obama wasn&#8217;t sufficiently experienced to serve as US President <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanstaafl,

The Taliban was sponsored and came to power because of US intervention under Reagan.  They are another example of the problems created by managing a global empire.  Osama is a red herring.

Lynne Stewart&#039;s story points up some of the problems encountered when the constitution is not taken seriously.

Extra-judicial detentions are a most egregious violation of essential liberty.  Suspension of habeas corpus and warrant-less surveillance are violations of essential liberties.  Torture in violation of human rights conventions is a serious threat to essential liberties.  What part of this is confusing?

The attack of 9/11, terrorist attack or not, was a failure of the Bush administration alone.  There has been little need for a follow-up attack, as GWB has set about destroying the country from within.  No terrorist could ever have hoped to cause the extent of damage that has been done by the Bushies.

The current President is a despot, as evidenced by massive violations of essential liberty, and the use of doctored intelligence to sell a bogus war.  Senators who voted to provide the tool are distinct from the administration which used it so arbitrarily, but for the record, some senators actually saw that it was a scam.  It wasn&#039;t difficult to see.

The invasion of Iraq is all about oil wealth, personal glory and family honor- democracy, terrorism or WMD are all excuses.

DS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanstaafl,</p>
<p>The Taliban was sponsored and came to power because of US intervention under Reagan.  They are another example of the problems created by managing a global empire.  Osama is a red herring.</p>
<p>Lynne Stewart&#8217;s story points up some of the problems encountered when the constitution is not taken seriously.</p>
<p>Extra-judicial detentions are a most egregious violation of essential liberty.  Suspension of habeas corpus and warrant-less surveillance are violations of essential liberties.  Torture in violation of human rights conventions is a serious threat to essential liberties.  What part of this is confusing?</p>
<p>The attack of 9/11, terrorist attack or not, was a failure of the Bush administration alone.  There has been little need for a follow-up attack, as GWB has set about destroying the country from within.  No terrorist could ever have hoped to cause the extent of damage that has been done by the Bushies.</p>
<p>The current President is a despot, as evidenced by massive violations of essential liberty, and the use of doctored intelligence to sell a bogus war.  Senators who voted to provide the tool are distinct from the administration which used it so arbitrarily, but for the record, some senators actually saw that it was a scam.  It wasn&#8217;t difficult to see.</p>
<p>The invasion of Iraq is all about oil wealth, personal glory and family honor- democracy, terrorism or WMD are all excuses.</p>
<p>DS</p>
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