Nice crack at a false flag, but it’s very obvious. It isn’t honest to pretend to be someone you are not.

mark:

I haven’t mentioned ‘95%’ at all. I guess you are just spazzing in my general direction because you resent someone coming in here and actually making sense. But maybe I can clear some things up for you. Obama’s tax plan will lower taxes for 95% of American’s who pay taxes. Not 95% of all Americans. And, yes, most small business people will receive a tax reduction under Obama that they will not under McCain’s plan.

Can you be specific about these ideas floating around that involve negative impacts on small business? Sean Hannity says it so it must be true? Settle down chum and drop the personal insults. These issues can and should be debated on a factual basis.

The Democrats appear to be stealing the GOP’s thunder. Democrats can now arguably claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility and lower taxes. I understand that people hold their ideologies in a deep personal manner, but once these ideologies are repudiated by real world events, is it not more productive to engage in some self examination? To see how the core of your principles can be applied realistically and honestly? Or do you want to continue drag the debate down to the level of insults and wild accusations? Claims that Obama is a terrorist, or an incipient dictator or a socialist or that he never tells the truth are puerile and discredit your cause.

You repeat Obama’s words, as if they were some kind of truth. No intelligent person could possibly believe that pile of nonsense you just spit out. Nobody intelligent believes Obama, either. He has never spoken the truth about anything, that I can tell.

For instance, of the ‘95%’ you talk about, a whopping share of these people are small businesspeople. Several of Obama’s ideas floating around, as well as those of his party involve HUGE negative impacts upon the bottom line of small and large businesses.

If you think you can harm small business, and it NOT impact negatively on the personal lives and finances of those many tens of millions of people, then you’re an imbecile.

But more importantly, the notion that you can cut 95% of people’s taxes is absurd. It CANNOT be true, and it is indefensible, period. About 30% of all Americans pay no income tax. You can’t cut their income taxes. Unless you intend to cut their FICA percent, the whole thing is a farce.

The real story.

Of course Samuel Wurzelbacher, private citizen, had the right to ask the question. In his case, the answer is: He is not going to be taxed more and more. Under Obama’s plan he would be taxed less and less.

I don’t think Senator Obama did anything more than try and answer his question.

Remember that neither candidate is arguing for a flat tax rate. One Candidate is arguing for a lower tax rate for the middle class, the other candidate is arguing for a lower corporate tax rate. This is a democracy and here, we the people, have the right to choose between the two. I think it is our problem that as a culture we can not seem to look at the numbers and draw our own conclusions. Instead the media and/or politicians pick someone as a symbol which is supposed to somehow clarify or personalize these issues. Instead, evidently, it obscures the central point and creates or magnifies irrelevant side issues.

First they came for Joe the plumber,
but I did not question the messiah, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Fox Newscasters and the Talk Radio hosts,
but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the gun owners,
but I was not bearing arms, so I did not speak out.
And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.

I have a few issues with your rebuttal to my comment.

The voracious hordes of press people turning up on Joe’s lawn, the invitations to talk shows, and the heedless background checks are the result of McCain’s invoking his name and story in the debate. Not a sound bite played on cable news.

Joe’s story did not hold up. His intention to purchase the business he worked for were aspirational at best. A business that has never netted above $250k.

Either way, Joe would have benefitted from the Obama tax plan. This has been made clear again and again. Screw your eyes shut and plug your ears but facts are facts.

Most importantly, your assertion that a 3% tax hike on the wealthy is ‘Marxist’ is an hysterical hyperbole. It tends to discredit you. By your reckoning, George H.W. Bush (41) was a super double marxist. (Read my lips?)

Your final paragraph is as confused as the rest of your post. The lifting of the cap proposed is on social security contribution. Social Security is no Joke. It is not referred to as the third rail for nothing. I’m sure glad its there for my parents. Are you caring for your folks soley out of your pocket?
With the collapse of people’s pension plans we need it more than ever. And a hike in capital gains tax would affect a middle class earner at an average rate of about four dollars a year.

Look, I don’t know if you believe this nonsense you are posting or if you are engaging in some rhetorical exercise to provoke consternation.

Let me be yet another person to inform you that you have been mislead by a bunch of talk radio hacks using fear and smear tactics because the ideology they have been pimping all these years has been profoundly repudiated by real world events. Take a look at the scoreboard and realize you have lost.

You may not be happy to see Obama as President, but there really is no need to panic. In the end its for your own good as well.

Absolutely incorrect, and off point.

If you would recall the history Mr Rommel, you’d note that the sequence of events was thus: Obama embarks on neighborhood expedition with news media in tow; Obama accosts gentlemen and kids playing in their front yard; man asks Obama question; Obama blurts out money quote “spread the wealth around” exposing his socialist, Marxist tendencies; media covers the encounter and it is national news before McCain even mentions it at the debate. (How do you think it came to McCain’s attention?)

Now to the off point part. The point is not Joe and has nothing to do with the details of his life. The point is that Obama is a Marxist. It was the revealing answer to a question. The questioner could have been anyone. But, the media and , contra your assertion of their innocence, the Obama campaign, did indeed attack Joe. It’s basically a style of ad hominem argument.

I don’t know quite what you mean by this: “If the Joe the Plumbers story had held up and illuminated the veracity of McCain’s position…”

Everything Joe said has indeed “held up”. And again, you are really missing the point of the whole episode. It’s not, per se, about the fantastical nonsensical Obama campaign claims that 95% of everyone (even the 38% paying no taxes) are going to get a tax cut. Or the ludicrous nonsense that only people making more than 250K are going to see their taxes go up. Or the redistribution scheme he is sneaking into the tax code.

It’s that he is, and has revealed himself inescapably to be, a socialist.

Please all, don’t believe the nonsense about only 250K+ people are going to pay more taxes under an Obama administration. See: expiration of Bush tax cuts, blowing the cap off the payroll tax, increase in dividends and capital gains tax, increase in corporate taxes, socialized medicine, income tax wealth redistrution scheme under the guise of ‘tax cuts’.