At Hot Air, Allahpundit writes:
No word yet motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.
Stand by for updates.
Here are the early details from MSNBC:
At least seven people are dead and 12 wounded in a shooting at Fort Hood in Texas, the base’s public affairs office told NBC News on Thursday.
The official would not give his name nor additional details. It was unknown whether victims are soldiers or civilians. One gunman was reportedly in custody and another was on the loose, NBC News said. A third shooter may be involved, according to NBC News affiliate KCEN, which said the person had opened fire on the SWAT team at the base.
KCEN reported that a policeman was among those shot.
KCEN in Waco reported that the second suspect may be holed up in a building on the post.
Update: Via Instapundit, the Austin-American Statesman adds:
An Army spokesman at the Pentagon says the shootings began about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at a personnel and medical processing center at Fort Hood, the AP said.
The spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Nathan Banks, says two shooters were apparently involved. There is no word yet on who they were, nor on identities of the dead, according to the AP.
Banks says the second incident took place at a theater on the sprawling base, the AP said.
He says it is too soon to tell whether there is any link to battle stress or repeated deployments. The Army is suffering a record high suicide rate and other signs of stress from fighting two wars, the AP said.
Greg Schannep, an aide to U.S. Rep. John Carter, told Statesman.com he was on the Army post to attend a graduation service. He said that as he neared the entrance of a building where the service was being held, a soldier with blood on his uniform ran past him and said a man was shooting.
Schannep said the shootings appeared to have occurred in a complex near a theater where the service was scheduled. He was with the injured soldier, who he said appeared to have been struck in the shoulder but did not have life-threatening injuries.
At 2:18 p.m., all workers at Fort Hood received this email alert from the post headquarters:
“Fort Hood is locked down. Units are advised to do 100 percent accountability. This is not a drill.”
Todd Martin, assistant for communications at the Killeen school district, said the district has seven elementary schools and two middle schools on the post itself.
“Those have been locked down since this began,” Martin said. The other schools in the district outside the post have not been locked down, he said.
The district serves Killeen, Fort Hood, Harker Heights and Nolanville.
The elementary campuses, which typically releases between 2:45 and 3:15 p.m. had a two-hour early release day scheduled for today, so some students already had gone home. District administrators did not know how many of the students from the elementary schools were still on campus.
It is unclear how long the schools will remain on lockdown or when students will be able to go home.
“Porphyrogenitus”, the blogger at Winds of Change writes:
I’m here working at Casey Library on post, and we’re on lock down as there was a shooting rampage (that’s what people are calling it) at the SRP site at the former Sports USA down the street from us. Apparently 7 are dead and 15 injured. They’re still trying to catch all the perpetrators. Pray for the victims and their families, please. Story here.
The aforementioned Statesman has already setup a Twitter feed for breaking news. Follow them at twitter.com/FtHoodShootings.
Update: Allahpundit has added numerous updates to his post at Hot Air:
Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.
Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.
Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.
Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.
Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.
Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”
Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.
Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?
Update: From Chuck Todd’s Twitter feed: “The main #fthood suspect was a U.S. Army Major.”
Update: From WOAI, a San Antonio NBC affiliate: “AP: The U.S. Army says 12 people have been killed and 31 wounded.”
Update: From Jake Tapper of ABC: “Attn Texas tweeps: Scott & White Memorial Hospital says due to the recent events in #FtHood, it is in URGENT need of ALL blood types.”
Update: ABC News Radio is reporting “Ft Hood suspect name is MAJOR Malik Nadal Hasan.”
Update: This ABC article also lists suspect’s name; further details:
Twelve people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting spree at a Texas military base by what officials believe was possibly carried out by an Army officer.
Gunman kills at least 7 and wounds 12 at Fort Hood.
The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.
The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.
The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”
The extent of the injuries of victims “varies significantly,” according to Cone.
President Obama called the Fort Hood shootings a “horrific outburst of violence.”
“It if difficult enough to lose” soldiers overseas, but said it is “horrifying that they should lose their lives at an Army base in the U.S.,” he said.
The president said “my prayers are with the wounded and the families of the fallen.”
Cone said the motive for the attack, which took place just after 1:30 p.m. CT, is unclear.
Fort Hood, located just 60 miles north from Austin, is the largest U.S. military installation in the world, and has suffered the greatest number of caualities of all American bases in the war on Iraq.
Update: According to the Anchoress, “CBS says Ft. Hood shooter Maj. Hasan was licensed psychiatrist from Maryland.”
Meanwhile, Hot Air adds, “Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play here.”
Update: ABC notes that “shooter was shot by civilian law enforcement.”
Update: There’s a page at Center for the Study of Traumatic Stress that notes:
Nidal Hasan, M.D., M.P.H.
Fellow, Disaster and Preventive Psychiatry
Department of Psychiatry
F.Edward Hebert School of Medicine
Uniformed Services University of the Health SciencesBiography pending.
That’s also the photo of the alleged suspect that Matt Drudge is running with.
Update: “Obama Thanks Cabinet And Gives Shout Outs On Conference Before Addressing Ft. Hood.”
Update: Here’s that Army Times report, which was being swamped by a Drudge-lanche earlier:
An Army psychiatrist was identified Thursday as one of the gunmen in a shooting rampage on Fort Hood, Texas, that left at least 12 people dead and up to 31 wounded.
One soldier, a suspect, was killed and two soldiers were taken into custody, according to base spokesman Lt. Gen. Bob Cone, who added that the three suspects were soldiers.
A Pentagon source identified the shooter as Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan; the source said Hasan was a psychiatrist recently reassigned from Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., to work with soldiers at Darnall Army Medical Center on Fort Hood. He was killed at the scene.
The Fort Hood Web site posted an alert that said, “Effective immediately, Fort Hood is closed.” The Web site said units at the base have been ordered to account for all personnel.
The site said, “This is not a drill. It is an emergency situation.”
Fort Hood was “asking for EMTs because it’s a mass casualty event,” said Hilary Shine, spokeswoman for the City of Killeen, where Fort Hood is located. “They are having issues getting on and off post because they’ve locked it down. Right now there are a lot of questions and confusion.”
Fort Hood is set up like its own city with its own fire, police and medical facilities, Shine said. It has not asked for Killeen police to assist, but the police are on call if needed, she said.
Fort Hood is halfway between Austin and Waco, Texas.
FBI agents are traveling to Fort Hood to assess the crime and work with the Army Criminal Investigation Division, which is the lead agency, said Supervisory Special Agent Jason Pack, a spokesman for the FBI.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said he told President Barack Obama about the shootings and the staff is trying to get details.
“I told him what we knew,” Gibbs said, adding that he awaited an update himself.
Update: The Galveston County Daily News has some further details of the attack. Note item at end of the passage excerpted below:
Tom Hunt, himself a former Army sergeant who was stationed at Fort Hood, said his son called about an hour after the shooting to tell him he was safe.
John Hunt, 27, serving with the 510th Combat Engineers, was with his platoon at the base’s Soldier Readiness Center where soldiers who are about to be deployed undergo medical screening. He was scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan in January.
But because John had broken his foot several weeks ago, he was sent outside and told to get some extra paperwork that would clear him for deployment. John was waiting in the parking lot of the center when the shooting started, his father said.
“Everybody started running and shouting, and he saw the wounded come out,” Tom Hunt said. “He didn’t hear the shooting, but he said it was ‘a bloody mess.’”
Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.
“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”
Update: The This Ain’t Hell blog purports to have Hasan’s Officer Record Brief.
Update: Shepard Smith of Fox News interviews a former colleague of Hasan at the psych ward at Fort Hood who claims Hasan made statements along the lines of “Maybe the Muslims could stand up and fight against the aggressor”, as the person who uploaded the clip to YouTube notes:
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Update: Photos from aftermath at Fort Hood.
Update: “AP sources: Authorities had concerns about suspect:”
Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.
Meanwhile, Allahpundit at Hot Air links to another video of Shepard Smith on Fox News:
Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one has just hauled in.
Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing out, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other soldiers.
Update: “Wretchard”, our fellow PJ Express blogger at the Belmont Club asks, “When is religion indistinguishable from politics? When is politics indistinguishable from religion?”
Update: Huh: A Las Vegas CBS affiliate is reporting “Suspect not dead in Fort Hood shooting”; apparently news via press conference by Lt. General Cone. Mary Katharine Ham quotes Cone as saying:
“There was a confusion at the hospital” about Hasan’s death. CID officer with him since apprehension.
Ace adds, “Now they are saying it’s a single shooter, Hasan, and he is in the hospital”, adding, “The officer who shot him was thought to be dead but she’s alive and out of surgery.”
Update: MSNBC reports:
An Army psychiatrist opened fire Thursday at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 12 people and wounding 31 others, military officials said.
The gunman, identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was wounded multiple times at the scene but was captured alive and was in stable condition, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, commanding general of the Army’s III Corps, said at a press conference late Thursday.
Eleven of the victims died at the scene, military officials said. A 12th died later at a hospital, NBC station KCEN-TV of Waco reported. Cone said that most of those shots were military but two were civilians.
Update: The Austin-American Statesman notes, “Official: Fort Hood shooting suspect not dead”:
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the suspect in the Fort Hood shootings, has not been killed and is in stable condition at a hospital, Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said at a press conference at Fort Hood.
He is in custody at an undisclosed hospital, Cone said.
Three soldiers taken into custody after the shootings were released, he said. Investigators believe Hasan acted alone.
“Evidence does not suggest this was a terrorist event,” Cone said.
The death toll from the attack remains 12 after another victim died, Cone said.
Update: Patterico notes that the MSM is working overtime to pound this story into a prescribed narrative — when it’s not airbrushing out inconvenient details about the alleged suspect, of course.
And speaking of the MSM narrative, Allahpundit adds that it’s “congealing as we speak”:
Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.
Update: WaPo reports that Hasan is “very devout”:
Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.
“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”
Update: Post also notes:
A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.
Lee told Fox News that Hasan “was hoping that President Obama would pull troops out. . . . When things weren’t going that way, he became more agitated, more frustrated with the conflicts over there . . . he made his views well known about how he felt about the U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
And when he talked about fighting “the aggressor,” his fellow soldiers “should stand up and help the armed forces in Iraq and in Afghanistan,” Lee said.
Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) told reporters after a briefing on the shootings that Hasan was born in Virginia to parents who immigrated from Jordan. The congressman said that Hasan “took a lot of advanced training in shooting.”
On Twitter, Michael Patrick Leahy of the TCOT Report notes, “Fox News reports Major Hasan handed out Koran to neighbors this morning. Brother says he was always Muslim.”
Update: NPR has this item:
A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.
Update: The Rhetorican asks the question we’re all wondering: “How Did Hasan Fall Through the Cracks?”
Update: Michelle Malkin lists other soldiers who have fallen through those proverbial cracks: “The massacre at Fort Hood and Muslim soldiers with attitude.”
Update: Phyllis Chesler adds, “The Jihadist is Always the Victim.”
Update: Tim Blair has a quote from Waco ABC affiliate KXXV which dovetails with what Michael Patrick Leahy mentioned on Twitter a few updates ago:
“News Channel 25’s Henry Rosoff is reporting Nidal Malik Hasan’s neighbors who say Hasan was giving away all of his furniture and copies of the Qu’ ran Thursday morning. They also say he was supposed to deploy to Afghanistan in the coming days.”
Update (11:29 PM PST): I believe this mammoth post has run its course for the night. Barring any major developments during the rest of the evening, watch for additional updates on this topic to appear elsewhere on the blog proper.
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1. Tel-Chai Nation:Nine people dead in shooting at Fort Hood base in…
Horrible news from the army base in Texas, where at least 2 gunmen went on a rampage (Hat tip: Wizbang):…
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Nov 5, 2009 - 2:03 pm 3. Poor Citizen:This is horrible news.
My prayers to the victims..and their families and the entire military community there.
Very, very sad story.
God Bless America.
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:11 pm 4. jeff:reporting that the officer/shooter was muslim
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:28 pm 5. BC:Really sad, messed up stuff. Remember when multiple killings like this were once in a generation, odd, bizarre rarities?
The breaking news coverage has been pretty awful with a *lot* of dumb*ss speculating, and the blog stuff has been even worse. I made the mistake of popping over to Hot Air — it was like stepping into an old episode of the old Twilight Zone where ordinary people are easily manipulated to go crazy with paranoia.
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:30 pm 6. Morton Doodslag:MAJOR Malik Nadal Hasan — I’m sure he’s a methodist.
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:31 pm 7. Bookworm Room » The Fort Hood shooting:[...] Ed Driscoll also has running updates, as does Hot Air. [...]
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:36 pm 8. SteveP:BC,
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:39 pm 9. Kate:I linked here from Hot Air and you’re full of crap.
I’m sure most of us had a feeling this could be a possibility, this result of Army da’wa. I would like to not have these feelings, I would like not to be right. I might as well be saying I would like to live in Fin de siècle Paris.
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:44 pm 10. Byron Dickens:One of the shooters’ – I mean ALLEGED shooters’ – names has been given as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.
Surprise, surprise, surprise.
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Nov 5, 2009 - 2:50 pm 12. BC:To SteveP: No, I’m not. Friggin Twilight Zone “common folk” imagining all sorts of deranged rubbish, including taking their mandatory brain-dead pot shots at Obama.
Stuff like that shooting is bad and sad enough as is without people trying to twist it somehow to fit their moronic political views.
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:50 pm 13. Dave:With multiple shooters at multiple locations
we have a prima facie case of “enemy activity”.
HOWEVER: The precise nature and composition of the enemy is yet to be determined. Stay tuned
and sort the wheat from the chaff in all the fragmentary reports you are sure to hear.
Trust in God, powder dry and all that.
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:51 pm 14. Real Deal:“MAJOR Malik Nadal Hasan — I’m sure he’s a methodist.”
I was thinking Quaker myself…possibly Amish.
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:51 pm 15. mezzrow:It’s early, but – oh, my. This is going to be a big ’sinking feeling’ moment, I fear. The info on the shooter is the last thing I wanted this to be. And a Major in the US Army. Oh, my. Not going to jump to conclusions (repeat, then repeat again.)
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:52 pm 16. David Thomson:Fox News sucks. It is doing an awful job covering this obvious terrorist attack. The politically correct Shep Smith is apparently their lead journalist. Strangely enough, CNN is to be congratulated in this particular instance.
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:52 pm 17. Danimal:I am sure the leftist media will be egregiously downplaying the implication of the shooter’s name. They should be tracking it to no end…. My prayers are with my brother soldiers and their families.
Nov 5, 2009 - 2:58 pm 18. ehunter:WORSE THAN 9-11..FAR WORSE. The US Army Officer Corps is now infiltrated by an ideology bent on destroying the country.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:00 pm 19. David Thomson:Our enemies are within. MultiCulturalism begins to pay its terrible terrible dividends.
Did the FBI initially claim that this wasn’t a terrorist attack? This organization has long indulged in political correctness—but this is utterly ridiculous if those early reports are indeed accurate. It’s bad enough that Fox News so thoroughly screwed the pooch. We can’t afford similar foolishness from the FBI.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:04 pm 20. Delia:This is sad and confusing.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:05 pm 21. Kathy:Jihadwatch.org says he’s an Islam convert.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:06 pm 22. gunlover:Now you listen to me, Private Pyle Jihad, and you listen good.
I want that weapon and I want it now.
You will place that weapon on the deck at your feet and step back away from it.
WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION, NUMBNUTS?!
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:07 pm 23. Susie:DIDN’T MOMMY AND DADDY SHOW YOU ENOUGH ATTENTION WHEN YOU WERE A CHILD?
A melting pot like our country assumes too many agendas with too many hostilities. We think we welcome people to find freedom and they come to harm us.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:08 pm 24. Federale:Is anyone surprised that it was a Muslim?
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:08 pm 25. steve:This is an act of Islamic jihad against infidels. His was simply killing infidels.
Muslims do not belong in our military nor should they be allowed to invade our country through our insane immigration laws.
To suggest otherwise is sheer stupidity unless you can read a Muslim’s mind and tell whether they are observant or non observant.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:09 pm 26. Delia:21. Kathy:
“Jihadwatch.org says he’s an Islam convert.”
I wonder if all three shooters were?
One guy going postal is bad enough but three?
This is just sickening.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:11 pm 27. David W. Lincoln:Are private security firms being traded on the stock market? If so, they would lead a rally.
When the military is infiltrated by the Sons of Allah, the 5th column must be purged, otherwise all members of the military are suspect.
Aren’t there national security provisions which can be used to safeguard the military from infiltration?
Is there anyone still concluding that I am kidding about the need of a US government in exile? Because the relevance of the current US government is on an inexorable downward trajectory.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:12 pm 28. ehunter:Every muslim is a walking time bomb. The only question is when will he take his religion seriously? When will his eyes fall on one of those many passages in the Koran praising martyrdom..condemning infidels, demanding blood revenge? There are no muslim moderates..only those who are complacent and those who have finally switched on.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:13 pm 29. Keith:Welcome to identity politics.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:14 pm 30. Andrew T.:I don’t have any military background, so I was wondering if someone could tell me how he managed to get away with it without any of the soldiers simply shooting him?
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:15 pm 31. A.M. Mallett:Now, sit back and examine the size of the map needed to contain all the varying news blurbs and net comments … I think we need more facts and information before running off and acting like a bunch leftist-liberal tuckfards.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:15 pm 32. David Thomson:“Is anyone surprised that it was a Muslim?”
Nope, not in the least. The odds were minimally 90%. The odds also increase exponentially when you hear rumors concerning a total of three conspirators. One guy might go nuts if his wife left him—but three fellows virtually guarantees an ideological commitment.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:16 pm 33. Delia:How many people will have to die in the name of Political Correctness before people wake the frick up?
Pathetic.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:19 pm 34. Judy, NYC:it was reported that the shooter converted to islam. but, hey, that shouldn’t make any difference. doesn’t make him a bad person or a piece of sh*t. i am sure the muslim loving obamanation will make that perfectly clear.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:20 pm 35. David Thomson:What will this likely terrorist attack do to our politics? Me thinks this is a disaster for the more politically correct Democratic Party. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will also use this attack as an excuse for being unable to pass their health care nonsense.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:20 pm 36. Delia:“One guy might go nuts if his wife left him—but three fellows virtually guarantees an ideological commitment.”
Exactly what I was thinking to!
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:20 pm 37. BIG:This is the reason the IDF does not allow Arabs or Muslims to be members even though they make up 20% of the population.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:21 pm 38. Delia:“Ft. Hood shooter Maj. Hasan was licensed psychiatrist from Maryland”
Wow.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:23 pm 39. ehunter:Andrew T. Soldiers on base are not normally armed. Arms are kept locked in the armory. Military Police have sidearms. But what this incident does is but suspicion and uncertainty in the very heart of a group that depends on mutual trust. Soldiers cant respect orders coming from officers that want them dead etc.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:24 pm 40. tom:I am only glad my father is gone so he doesnt have to see what has happened to his beloved US Army.
I heard it was Bin Laden’s son and Barak Obama’s cousin, since they are both Muslims and related. Supposedly they were upset about the glenn beck’s show and how boring it is.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:27 pm 41. David Thomson:I am also not thrilled to hear Barack Obama describe this slaughter as an “outburst” of violence. Outburst usually means ( at least to me) that somebody lost their temper and starting behaving in a violent manner. Today’s incident seems well planned. It was premeditated.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:29 pm 42. deguello:Not to worry!I’m sure that Barack(crocodile tears)Obama will apologize to the Muslim community,and tell them that it was not Major Hasan, but US imperialism,that killed the victims.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:33 pm 43. Delia:“Today’s incident seems well planned. It was premeditated.”
Exactly. 12 dead/32 injured confirmed so far.
They were shooting for maximum-random casualties.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:35 pm 44. Andrew T.:ehunter,
thanks for the explanation!
I guess there’ll be more military police patrolling the base now.
Eternal vigilance and all that.
Again, I don’t know anything about the military or the fight against the Jihadists, but it seems to me that Hasan and his co-conspirators were/are more like “regular” murderous thugs than Jihadist murderous thugs.
There were no suicide vests, audio/video boasting about “death to America”, and it looks like they were trying to get away, so they weren’t directly suicidal.
Then again, we don’t have all the facts.
Should be interesting to see what they find on his computer.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:39 pm 45. coisty:Probably a subscription to dailyKOS, if nothing else.
His name was just mentioned on NBC but not his religion. They even said nothing stands out in his background! Pravda couldn’t do better than the US media.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:39 pm 46. Leatherneck:Dearbornstan Imam, now another example of moon god worship.
This would not have happened if MP’s were not the only ones armed.
G-d’s speed to our dead, and wounded.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:39 pm 47. deguello:#12NOW&THEN:Twilight zone/ You mean like the one Obama was inhabiting,when he spoke of US soldiers “air raiding villagers and killing civilians”?Or Napolitano sliming returning vets as possible “terrorists”? With this clown as Commander-in-chief,this atrocity was only a matter of time.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:40 pm 48. David Thomson:These soldiers may be dead because they were unable to carry their own weapons. They apparently were defenseless. The anti-gun mindset of the “elites” may have contributed to the carnage. Where is the Instapundit when you need him? What happened to the Second Amendment rights of the American soldier? Something to think about.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:43 pm 49. Andrew T.:“38. Delia:
“Ft. Hood shooter Maj. Hasan was licensed psychiatrist from Maryland”
Wow.”
So he was either Hannibal Lecter or Mohamed Atta.
Or maybe both.
Wow, indeed.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:43 pm 50. MarkD:Don’t go jumping to conclusions based on the obvious. Your betters are busy deciding what you should think.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:44 pm 51. ConservativeWanderer:AP is reporting that the dead shooter was a convert to Islam
Watch the dinosaur media conveniently forget that little bit of the story.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:45 pm 52. rashputin:It’s about time to toss Muslims out of the US Militay, period. If an officer takes his Muslim duty to murder infidels more seriously than his oath to the service and the Constitution, there’s no way people can trust their officers who are Muslim. What’s to keep an officer from deliberately getting his men killed as a way to serve Allah?
Obama could well see thousands of people in the military joing the few who have questioned his right to be president if there isn’t a fast and dramatic reaction to this instead of some BS PC crap about it being a teaching moment.
Regards
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:47 pm 53. David W. Lincoln:Delia, your point #33 at 3:19, have you forgotten one of the favourite sayings of the culturally fatigued, “You can’t be afraid of breaking a few eggs to make an omlette”.
As long as those culturally fatigued who are allowed entrance to the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Bilderbergers, are too far gone to make an about face (military lingo for a 180 degree change) culturally, they will accept these deaths as numerically acceptable.
Heck, the death toll can be higher, because it
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:48 pm 54. TheCableGuy:will be regarded as numerically acceptable. Except when one of the clan winds up as collateral damage.
“Andrew T.:
I don’t have any military background, so I was wondering if someone could tell me how he managed to get away with it without any of the soldiers simply shooting him?”
Only Military Police and civilian security are authorized to carry firearms on post; some exceptions are made for things like AHA guard and payroll guard, but for the most part, no soldiers are armed.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:49 pm 55. Marina:@ BIG (37)
IDF do allows Arabs and muslism to serve. Some time ago Israeli Arabs wanted to do a scandal in the Knesset bitching about some “unjust” treatment of their soldiers in the IDF.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:50 pm 56. blackwell:#52: that is silly: should we toss everyone named Aarron becase of Aaron Burr? Every one that’s jewish because of Pollard? Even chuck Pelto never said anything so silly. Besides, wait for the evidence and let’s see.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:53 pm 57. coisty:Charles Johnson has highlighted the “Major” part of the shooter’s title but not his name.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:54 pm 58. Leatherneck:What Mosque did they get their arse in the air towards the Kabba at?
The FBI, CNN, and Fox news said it was not terror, so maybe they need some help in thinking.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:57 pm 59. Andrew T.:“52. rashputin:
It’s about time to toss Muslims out of the US Militay, period. If an officer takes his Muslim duty to murder infidels more seriously than his oath to the service and the Constitution, there’s no way people can trust their officers who are Muslim. What’s to keep an officer from deliberately getting his men killed as a way to serve Allah?”
I think throwing Muslims out of the military will be very hard to do, due to US law and the fact that there are a lot of non-Arab Muslims that can slip under the radar.
Then again, you gotta start somewhere.
Nov 5, 2009 - 3:57 pm 60. rashputin:“#52: that is silly: should we toss everyone named Aarron becase of Aaron Burr? Every one that’s jewish because of Pollard? Even chuck Pelto never said anything so silly. Besides, wait for the evidence and let’s see.”
If a basic tenant of Jewish faith isn’t to betray trusts in order to turn classified materials over to the Jewish State. If it were, that would be reason enough to keep Jewish folks out of jobs where they hanled classified materials. Islam teaches that it is your DUTY as a Muslim to kill infidels where ever you find them, therefore its unreasonabe to allow them to be in positions of authority over others in life or death situations or to serve in the armed forces where the lives of others will be in their hands.
It’s only stupid to you because it’s not your ass on the line.
have a wonderful day
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:00 pm 61. ehunter:Uh..Blackwell the answer is YES we should keep everyone that
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:01 pm 62. Andrew T.:is muslim out of the military and out of the country. Read the Koran.
Hundreds of verses commanding blood revenge, identifying infidels as enemies, praising martyrdom. Its a quite literal minded in a way the Bible isnt. In fact there really isnt any such thing as a “moderate” muslim, only those who havent yet taken these passages seriously.
Sorry but the mindless relativism that so many Americans take for
tolerance and profundity is being exposed as nothing but ignorance.
“54. TheCableGuy:
Only Military Police and civilian security are authorized to carry firearms on post; some exceptions are made for things like AHA guard and payroll guard, but for the most part, no soldiers are armed.”
I bet a lot of soldiers will start carrying concealed from now on.
This is so stupid and “politically correct” that soldiers cannot use guns to protect themselves on base.
The 2nd amendment should apply to all, soldiers included.
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:01 pm 63. Gernot:This is just the beginning-and the libs are worried about the ten commandments and in god we trust. It’s time we ignored them and their idiotic laws. Muslims should be sent to countries more in tune with their religious beliefs. This is not the first such incident , for those of you with short memories. Death to Muslims, and others who insult Christianity, should be our answer to their insahe rants; instead of “it’s the religion of peace”!!!!! Liberals are the problem, not part of the solution.
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:14 pm 64. Bilgeman:Mr. Driscoll:
Before the usual commentariat proceedings get too far along, I’d like to express my appreciation for the fine news collating you’re doing here.
I happen to be 120 miles or so off the Texas Coast, and I’m getting wor of this through your efforts here.
Thank you.
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:15 pm 65. walt b:More detail from the NYT on the Major from the “religion of peace”…
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/us/06forthood.html?_r=1&hp
I’m sure someone will suggest PTSD hit all 3 gunmen simultaneously (right).
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:15 pm 66. Poor Citizen:I truly believe that this is a time ..
to remain calm, cuz its for the best
OF THE REPUBLIC
and within the rights of those that believe in the Republic..
and those that get upset as of today…for those that lost thier lives…of yesterday
God Bless America
and God Bless Those that Love America..
Today
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:17 pm 67. coisty:According to Col Terry Lee (Retired) on Fox News the shooter was once called a “raghead” during a dispute with soldiers.
Prediction: Obama will use this as a “teachable moment” and Nidal Hasan will go down in history as a victim of racism who stood up to his oppressors.
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:18 pm 68. David Thomson:There are now indications that this psychiatrist/ major might have previously displayed a violent temper. It is increasing looking more like the military brass was hesitant to do anything about him because of politically correct considerations. If this is indeed correct—try to imagine how they would have responded to a recent convert to Nazism or the Ku Klux Klan. The fact that he recently converted to the Islamic faith rendered them impotent.
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:20 pm 69. Samizdat:If this had happened at an FOB Maj Hasan would have squeezed off a couple and gotten a 3 round burst for his dementia. We are going to learn alot of sad facts about this piece of human debris over the next 72 hours or so.
It is easy to jump to conclusions, I want facts. Did he have conspirators? What rank? What is the history of these sorry excuses for human beings?
My heart breaks for the dead, the wounded, and their families. God speed to you all. I can’t adequately express my respect or sadness.
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:23 pm 70. David P:a lone nut
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:26 pm 71. David Thomson:“I truly believe that this is a time ..
to remain calm, cuz its for the best
OF THE REPUBLIC”
A number of us are remaining quite calm. Is there any evidence that anyone in particular is unable to think dispassionately and objectively?
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:27 pm 72. tom:ehunter.. ever read the bible? same shit.. All religion pollutes. That’s the bottom line
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:28 pm 73. Fantom:What we need to do is get the moslems killing these.. “40. tom:” worms. Maybe we can make berkeley a free fire zone for moslims. Then it would not be like they well killing Americans.. well not good Americans anyways.
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:29 pm 74. David Thomson:“a lone nut”
That’s not saying enough. This major was also apparently a loyal follower of Mohammed. It is very doubtful that something like a mere fight with his wife set him off. No, these were almost certainly murders committed in the name of Allah. He is therefore something more than “a lone nut.”
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:31 pm 75. ehunter:Nancy Pelosi wants to know if they can un-dead Hasan so that he can
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:33 pm 76. blackwell:attend anger management classes and talk about racism in American on the University lecture circuit.
A group hug at Obamas State of the Union speech would be a fitting end to this sad bit of cultural misunderstanding.
rashputin and ehunter: You have one incident not a showing of mass misbehavior by US muslims. And he may have flipped out because he was being posted to Iraq. Do either of you have any interest in waiting to see what the evidence shows? Or did you buy your salem witch trial tickets already?
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:37 pm 77. ehunter:TOM..sorry the cultural relaitivism and the teenage atheism doesnt cut it.
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:41 pm 78. David Thomson:You really need to pay attention to the role of irony and self reflection in The Bible..ie. “he who is without sin..let him cast the first stone”
vs. the literal and absolute commandments of Allah that sound like
a penal code.
“You have one incident not a showing of mass misbehavior by US muslims.”
That is correct. He probably represents a small percentage of very dangerous Muslim extremists. However, we must not jump to any other conclusions.
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:45 pm 79. ehunter:Just got back from a 15 year trip into deep space eh Blackwell? Sorry you missed the tens of thousands of car bombings, suicide bombings, hijackings, shoot outs, stabbings, honor killings, girl school burnings,
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:45 pm 80. David P:beheadings, and hand choppings that might just have made a dent in your teenage relativism. Nothing new will come out of Ft. Hood..it will be exactly like everyother muslim terrorist attack. But you didnt learn from the previous 114,202 ones..so you wont get this either.
it may be difficult to fathom, unless you’ve been reared in a region screaming with racial incongruity, frailty of sanity is indiscriminate of cultural, religious, ethnic & social backgrounds
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:52 pm 81. Roark:His Muslim faith was THE catalyst for his murder spree.
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:52 pm 82. David Thomson:“His Muslim faith was THE catalyst for his murder spree.”
You are only half-right. it would be more accurate to say: His radical interpretation of the Muslim faith was THE catalyst for his murder spree.
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:55 pm 83. Donna V.:yeah, tom, that’s why we hear so often of Presbyterians shooting non-believers. Those Methodists really go on rampages too.
but, but, but,sputters tom, what about the Inquisition? I learned about it by watching Bill Maher!
You’re an idiot blinded by PC.
Good people died today and obtuse morons continue to spout their drivel.
Nov 5, 2009 - 4:55 pm 84. Donna V.:coisty: Johnson isn’t interested unless they can find a tie-in with the Discovery Institute or Palin or European “fascists.”
Caring about the victims of Islamic terrorism is just so 2003 at LGF. They’ve moved on. Creationists are a much bigger threat to the planet, dontcha know?
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:01 pm 85. Poor Citizen:remain calm.
I am sure there is a rational explanation for all of this. After all, there always is… aint there?
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:02 pm 86. ehunter:WRONG DAVID THOMSEN..the radical interpretation of Islam is the real Islam. The Koran is very literal and the passages that mesh spiritual and physical violence together are everywhere. A muslim can ignore them..but thats the best that can be hoped for.
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:04 pm 87. David Thomson:The remarks of retired Colonel Terry Lee are shocking to say the least. Major Nidal Hasan apparently said things that should have got him kicked out of the military. It does indeed seem that political correctness inhibited the actions of his superiors. They couldn’t do anything because of multi-cultural considerations. This will most assuredly change our politics. The American people will finally get fed up the control of the politically correct elite of our institutions. The Democrats and their so-called moderate Republican allies need to be marginalized.
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:08 pm 88. rashputin:“it may be difficult to fathom, unless you’ve been reared in a region screaming with racial incongruity, frailty of sanity is indiscriminate of cultural, religious, ethnic & social backgrounds”
And Islam cultivates, encourages, and praises “frailty of sanity”, as you put it. Fathom this, in Islam there are only Muslims and targets, nothing else. Even fellow Muslums are not equal as the female portion of the population is considered to be nothing more than a field to be tilled by the man who owns her.
Yeah, I know, the burka is really about freedom, and this guy like all the other Muslims who have murdered millions in Africa, were actually driven mad by the pain of ingrown toenails, it had nothing to do with their following the moon god.
have a nice illusion
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:09 pm 89. David Thomson:“A muslim can ignore them..but thats the best that can be hoped for.”
The majority of Muslims living in America do ignore them. Only a relatively small handful embrace the more radical interpretations.
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:11 pm 90. genghis:Another victory for the religion of peace. Wake up, America.
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:14 pm 91. David P:I disagree rashputin, sorry
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:15 pm 92. Angry Lone Nut? « The Underground Conservative:[...] [...]
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:19 pm 93. ConservativeWanderer:Donna V, don’t forget the Amish throwing Molotov cocktails at car dealerships because they believe cars are Of The Devil.
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:20 pm 94. misanthropicus:RE #16/David Thomson:
[...] The politically correct Shep Smith is apparently their lead journalist. [...]
David, be happy that Fox hasn’t sent Shep Smith to cover the Maine referendum -
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:30 pm 95. David P:I was wrong, completely wrong, this guy wasn’t a “lone nut” he was a Terrorist!
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:31 pm 96. Poor Citizen:To whoever is cloning me.
Your funny.
And number two. you happen to represent me in a very twisted way. cuz i am neither conservative nor liberal…so u suck either way …pal
and those that know me in this place will know that this is the real me… bonehead…so I dont care what you say about me
ok?
now try being me again ok?
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:31 pm 97. Instapundit » Blog Archive » A HUGE FORT HOOD ROUNDUP from Ed Driscoll….:[...] A HUGE FORT HOOD ROUNDUP from Ed Driscoll. [...]
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:32 pm 98. Paul R:Compare and contrast the magnitude of communist espionage operations during the Cold War period with the scale of recent muslim jidahist espionage. These mf’ers are far more dangerous than communists, but communists had more legal restrictions, covert surveillance and social stigma than muslims. Time to change policy.
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:35 pm 99. ehunter:DAVID THOMSON..can you tell me which muslims are ignoring them? Which are ignoring them for the time being? Which ones are stewing with hatred and dying to act out? The Koran isnt going to change…so what about those who read it tomorrow? The next generation? Finally can you tell what do we get for taking this terrible terrible risk of allowing Muslim immigration? Of allowing Muslims in the US Military? Of bequeathing this problem to our children and grandchildren forever? What do we get? Diversity? Is that the great benefit? A little leftist feel good code word
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:36 pm 100. David P:that we can cuddle up to until the next bomb goes off?
Does anyone know which ‘frail’ background the major hailed from, i.e. region of the world his roots are from?
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:39 pm 101. Meryl:Why, on an Army Base, does 1 (or 3) people have enough time to shoot and wound or kill over 40 individuals before somebody takes him out?
Why?
Why was the FBI SO quick to assure the world that “this is not terrorism”. There is absolutely no way they could know that at that point.
Who is putting pressure on the FBI to “make it ok” with the Muslims?
Why did CAIR come out so quickly with their statement of compassion and caring? That is the first time I have ever seen anything come out of their office that sounds like normal American awareness.
But, gee, it’s sure nice to know it wasn’t terrorism; that most of the wounded may survive; that CAIR cares; and, that obama has spoken to the nation. (Wasn’t able to catch that. Had to go straighten the sock drawer again, darn it.)
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:42 pm 102. Fantom:“89. David Thomson:
“A muslim can ignore them..but thats the best that can be hoped for.”
The majority of Muslims living in America do ignore them. Only a relatively small handful embrace the more radical interpretations.
‘
Wrong interpretaion of reality there Boss.
First , the koran calls for those who fund “jihad’ as the higher calling than those who kill/murder/terrorise for islam. Your reality would have only those few Germans who attacked us as the enemy, and not the vast resources of the German people who fielded them in WW II as our actual enemy.
mohamhead was a terrorist and islam is the use of terror.
There is a very Real reason The Pope quoted Manuel II Palaeologus. By their actions and words they are known. And have been for centuries.
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:47 pm 103. ehunter:DAVID P…Major Hasan is from Switzerland where for generations his family build Coo-Coo Clocks and Gingerbread houses.
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:47 pm 104. David P:I knew it, the Swiss, the silent appeasers, the financiers, we gonna get to the bottom of this.
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:51 pm 105. Robert V:“Why did CAIR come out so quickly with their statement of compassion and caring? That is the first time I have ever seen anything come out of their office that sounds like normal American awareness. ”
Maybe because they are starting to see that they really should be afraid that the majority of people, such as this website, want to put them in camps, tatoo numbers into their forearms, and put a bullet in the back of their head.
Nov 5, 2009 - 5:54 pm 106. Poor Citizen:The President will make a statement…
calm down, there is no one about to take the government over just yet…
George Bush has just sent a statement promising not to return to america..for the next 24 hours… ha ha..just kidding…
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:01 pm 107. Rick B:105. Robert V:
Maybe because they are starting to see that they really should be afraid that the majority of people, such as this website, want to put them in camps, tatoo numbers into their forearms, and put a bullet in the back of their head.
Nov 5, 2009 – 5:54 pm
Why go to all that trouble? Just jump to the bullet part.
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:10 pm 108. Harvard Yard Conservative:Ahh! Please keep this one thought ever-present in your mind and heart:
Islam is a religion of peace.
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:21 pm 109. David Thomson:There are now rumors that the extremist Muslim major may have posted comments on the Internet advocating suicide bombing and other horrific acts! Is this possibly true? If so, our politics will dramatically change. The politically correct elites will be running for the hills.
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:22 pm 110. Pragmatist:Accoring to Mohammedans the Koran is the ‘actual unalterable word of their so called God’ and as such it can ONLY be taken literally . So when the Koran calls for ALL unbelievers to be killed it literally means that and when it calls for Mohammad’s words and deeds to be followed to the letter it literally means that too and Mohammad was a bloodthirsty, misogynistic warlord and thief.
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:24 pm 111. David P:So the MISUNDERSTANDERS of Islam are those Muslims and their Left wing Moonbat PC MC apologist buddies that try to pretend Islam is not what it very patently is.
Rashputin, I’ll agree with your statement, his religion definitely helped to validate the uncoordinated deed of a lone nut terrorist.
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:25 pm 112. Delia:Hasan still alive.
The news has been interviewing people who knew Hasan in the military and they’re also saying he’s always been an Islamist and not a recent ‘convert’ as first reported.
Supposedly he was angry about being deployed to Iraq, believing Muslim brothers shouldn’t fight each other. Why on earth did the idiot join the military then? HELLOOOOOOO?
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:27 pm 113. Pragmatist:According to Mohammedans the Koran is the ‘actual unalterable word of their so called God’ and as such it can ONLY be taken literally . So when the Koran calls for ALL unbelievers to be killed it literally means that and when it calls for Mohammad’s words and deeds to be followed to the letter it literally means that too and Mohammad was a bloodthirsty, misogynistic warlord and thief.
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:28 pm 114. The Real Poor Citizen:So the MISUNDERSTANDERS of Islam are those Muslims and their Left wing Moonbat PC MC apologist buddies that try to pretend Islam is not what it very patently is.
First off, this is me.
Secondly, this is the real me.
Thirdly, this is me and the scardy cats should just relax, cuz, our country is in good hands.
Trust me, Im one of those ex miltary guys that can ensure your safety,….even if your an extremist….ha
i just got a call..and they told me not to do anything..which is a sign…not to do anything
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:28 pm 115. Delia:Also, Hasan was angry and disappointed with 0bama.
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:29 pm 116. Poor Citizen:Post Deleted — Ed
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:32 pm 117. RFY:“Maybe because they are starting to see that they really should be afraid that the majority of people, such as this website, want to put them in camps, tatoo numbers into their forearms, and put a bullet in the back of their head.”
Hey, Hey! I’m all for cutting to the chase, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Simple deportation to their homeland would be enough.
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:34 pm 118. David P:eHunter, the presence of external material support TBD
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:36 pm 119. Fderfler:You do not have “Constitutional Rights” when you are on a military base. Even a civilian can be searched without PC, didn’t used to be Miranda, etc. That’s pretty much what all those big signs say. Get used to it. “No private firearms” (with the exception of possibly a hunting rifle) was the rule on all of the seven military bases I lived on.
It will be entertaining to see the talking heads read this guy’s name and then say, “No motive has been found for his actions.” .. yeah..
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:39 pm 120. Judy, NYC:this scum muslim filth isn’t dead. he’s alive and in stable condition. they’ve been announcing this on cable. they are already playing down his reason for killing, which we’ve been told by people who knew him in the army, that he didn’t think muslims should go into our aarmy and go to iraq or afghanastan. i am sure our muslim loving brain dead leader will take this up as forcefully as he’s taken up everything else that weakens us further.
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:40 pm 121. Delia:So, is it confirmed that Hasan acted alone?
That’s a lot of people for one person to shoot.
If Hasan lives will the military be the ones to try him for this crime?
Nov 5, 2009 - 6:47 pm 122. poor citizen:first off clone, u got no chance with me…and delia too i might add, ( i will guess she is way to smart to b with u too )
and also u got zero brains, do u know that?
Nov 5, 2009 - 7:08 pm 123. Delia:http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/721701–suspected-shooter-survived-texas-killing-spree?bn=1
“two others apprehended in shooting”
This story is confusing. Gah!
Nov 5, 2009 - 7:19 pm 124. Delia:123. poor citizen,
Quit the pranking wouldya? This is a serious subject for cripe’s sake.
Nov 5, 2009 - 7:20 pm 125. Miltary Citizen:Listen up.
this is the real me pal.
I dream about bein dumb like you. So please dont be like a marine like me ok?..
]#
You seem like a nice person. So kiss my butt and please, please go away …
ok?
Nov 5, 2009 - 7:22 pm 126. Delia:From Ed Driscoll’s update: Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.
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One can only imagine the ‘conditions’.
Nov 5, 2009 - 7:24 pm 127. David P:my cynicism bleeds
Nov 5, 2009 - 7:46 pm 128. sasquatch:I am ashamed of all of you—you are behaving like OBOZO about the Gates thing—shooting your mouth off with unconfirmed, fragmentary information at best…
Nov 5, 2009 - 7:47 pm 129. Delia:…ACTING STUPIDLY!!!!!
Once the situation is clarified then is the time to comment.
You have 2 ears to listen and one mouth to speak with for a reason—STFU.
Seems strange the other two shooters’ names weren’t released.
Hmm.
Nov 5, 2009 - 7:59 pm 130. Delia:128. sasquatch,
Hey, this subject was opened by Ed Driscoll to comment on whilst he posts updates.
Mellow out, man.
Nov 5, 2009 - 8:00 pm 131. Poor Citizen:forget my brother, he is just a crazy foolish marine.
Deliea, you make alot of good sense. Its a blessing that america has women like you around…to take care of us and make sure our republic is there…in the A. M.
God Bless you.
Peace my sister.
Uncle Bob.
Nov 5, 2009 - 8:28 pm 132. Delia:“Grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls,
the courage to debate with honest opponents,
and the wisdom to know the difference.”
Indeed.
Nov 5, 2009 - 8:34 pm 133. ExPat:Leave it to ABC News to start the spin machine:
“Cone said the motive for the attack, which took place just after 1:30 p.m. CT, is unclear. While Cone said he could not rule out the incident as an act of terrorism, evidence does not support that theory.
Hasan’s cousin Nader Hasan said that she believed it was his upcoming deployment combined with the wartime horror stories he heard from his patients that set him off. Hasan had recently hired an attorney to help him get out of the military.
According to the suspect’s cousin, Hasan was also harassed after 9/11 because of his ethnicity, and was called a “camel jockey.”"
Too bad they didn’t kill the son of a bitch. Now he’ll lawyer up and the media will spin this obvious terrorist act to blame the military and Bush, as usual.
Nov 5, 2009 - 8:38 pm 134. cotton eye joe:My knee-jerk reaction is if we can’t trust Muslims who are Field Grade Officers in our Armed Forces, which ones are trustworthy? We should start by closing down the mosques where these radical imams spew this hatred for everything American and deport their followers. I know it will never happen because of political correctness. But if this doesn’t wake Americans up, I don’t think anything will. Obviously we didn’t learn a lasting lesson from 911. They hate us and want to kill us so why keep putting up with it?
i think we are beyond screwed by trying to play we are the world with these extremist types and it is usually the educated ones that do the most harm. look at the nine eleven guys with their college educations and evil western habits including strip clubs. there are religions and then there are cults.
Nov 5, 2009 - 8:48 pm 135. David Thomson:It is 10:50 PM in Houston, Texas as I write these comments. This is what we can take pretty well for granted: Major Nidal Hasan may or may not be insane—but he does embrace a radical form of the Islamic faith. He is a Muslim extremist! That is clearly beyond serious debate. Also, the military did not thoroughly investigating him out of fear of violating the mandates of political correctness. A white man suspected even slightly of possessing violent Ku Klux Klan sympathies would have dealt with in an entirely different manner.
Nov 5, 2009 - 8:50 pm 136. Marc Malone:The FBI got it right. This was not an act of terrorism. There’s no such thing, remember? This was a “manmade disaster”, or whatever the stupid jargon is. I’d like to hear Obama tell the military tomorrow that this was not terrorism, hmmm?
Sure seem to be a lot of domestic terrorists, all Muslim, acting up this year. How many were there during the Bush years?
This does go to show that you can’t trust a Muslim. Today’s moderate becomes tomorrow’s fundamentalist psycho. As soon as I heard the first news, I knew it was some American Muslim in uniform. KNEW it, mind you. Sho ’nuff, a couple hours later….
I hope the Court Martial for treason is swift, and the execution is truly summary. Hold a lottery to be on the firing squad, and give the money to the families. Seriously large coin!
It is time to ban Islam in this country, via a Constitutional Amendment, of course.
Nov 5, 2009 - 8:51 pm 137. David Thomson:“As soon as I heard the first news, I knew it was some American Muslim in uniform. KNEW it, mind you. Sho ’nuff, a couple hours later….”
I won’t go that far. It was, however, obvious that the odds were minimally 90% the murders were connected to Muslim extremism. We should not ban the Islamic faith per se—but America does need to declare an all out, ruthless war on Islamic radicalness.
Nov 5, 2009 - 8:57 pm 138. Delia:An insane psychiatrist?
49. Andrew T. might have been onto something with his Hannibal Lecter/Mohamed Atta comparison.
Religion of peace or cult of death?
Nov 5, 2009 - 8:58 pm 139. anonymous:63. Gernot: “Death to Muslims, and others who insult Christianity….”
I think you’ve found your audience, Driscoll — and your ilk.
Nov 5, 2009 - 9:09 pm 140. David Thomson:“Religion of peace or cult of death?”
The radical interpretation of Islam is inherently nihilistic. It hates life on this side of the grave. One should eagerly find a way to get killed. Today’s murderer may be enraged that he is till alive! He could very well be shaking his fist to the heavens demanding why this outcome has occurred. The poor dude may have literally been hoping to enjoy all those 52 virgins waiting for him in heaven.
Nov 5, 2009 - 9:11 pm 141. Delia:140. David Thomson,
Which begs the question, “Do radicals start out that way?”
How does one discern a radical from a non-radical person? Are there signs to watch for?
When does someone go from being considered ‘devout and pious’ to being totally devoid of sanity and ready to act on twisted impulses?
Nov 5, 2009 - 9:20 pm 142. ExPat:137 et al. David Thompson you make a lot of sense.
I now reside in the Philippines which has a serious problem with an active Muslim insurgency in it’s southern territories. The Muslims I meet here in Manila seem to be just regular people trying to live their daily lives. But the militants are given no quarter by the military, as it should be. We Americans seem to judge people by the highest common denominator for some reason, i.e. if some Muslims are good Americans than we cut all the rest too much slack.
Nov 5, 2009 - 9:21 pm 143. ExPat:I can’t wait for the Hollywood movie version:
Nov 5, 2009 - 9:28 pm 144. Delia:Rouge CIA agent/neo-Nazi massacres American troops at an American Base and is successfully prosecuted and sentenced to life by Lieutenant Commander Jody Foster of the JAG Corps.!
142. ExPat:
“We Americans seem to judge people by the highest common denominator for some reason, i.e. if some Muslims are good Americans than we cut all the rest too much slack.”
Not to mention slowing everyone down at the airport to frisk a little old lady so the Muslim further down the line doesn’t feel singled out. The PC stuff gets ridiculous after a while.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck…chances are it ain’t Bessie the Jersey cow.
Nov 5, 2009 - 9:30 pm 145. David Thomson:“How does one discern a radical from a non-radical person? Are there signs to watch for?”
I am not aware of any sure fire “signs to watch for.” One must simply expect the unexpected. Some people go off the deep end for whatever end.
By the way, I was not kidding about the very high possibility today’s murderer is upset that he is not presently experiencing great and enjoyable sex. I was dead serious. Many suicide bombers have been assured that the very next second after death—they will be having fantastic sex with a voluptuous female virgin.
Nov 5, 2009 - 9:31 pm 146. Delia:David Thompson,
Oh I knew you weren’t kidding. That kind of thing is a very common ‘mindset’ amongst the radical Islamists. The basic idea is to go out in a blaze of glory and meet up with those über gorgeous virgin goats.
Coo Coo clocks indeed.
Nov 5, 2009 - 9:39 pm 147. ExPat:145: David
“By the way, I was not kidding about the very high possibility today’s murderer is upset that he is not presently experiencing great and enjoyable sex. I was dead serious. Many suicide bombers have been assured that the very next second after death—they will be having fantastic sex with a voluptuous female virgin.”
Well said! My first reaction was they should have killed him, but you convinced me that he should be placed in solitary for life, have his hands tied behind his back (we don’t do torture here of course)and subject to good old American porn flicks 24/7. ACLU would probably object though.
Nov 5, 2009 - 9:40 pm 148. Butterfly Mornings and Wildflower Afternoons:If this is not terrorism, than what is it called.
A few months ago, the leftist media were calling the Tea Parties a form of extremism and now they are saying this terrible act on our American Soldiers was not a form of terrorism? A few months ago, they were trying to make every Conservative ashamed of voicing their opinions.
They are reporting that one of their own attacked the men and women, but no, one of their own would not have murdered them. ABC news stinks.
I am so sad tonight, and the media makes me feel worse.
Nov 5, 2009 - 9:51 pm 149. David Thomson:“…but you convinced me that he should be placed in solitary for life”
I strongly suspect that Major Nidal Hasan fears a life sentence far more than the death sentence. He is reportedly only around 40 years old. The very possibility that he could easily live another 45/50 years in solitary confinement most assuredly upsets him greatly. They also have strict suicide watches in those types of prisons. He won’t be allowed to own even a shoelace.
Nov 5, 2009 - 9:53 pm 150. Delia:148. Butterfly Morn,
Excellent points. Yes, this is all very disheartening and a huge downer.
-And, with that…I’m off to bed to fight the nightmares.
I’ll catch up tomorrow.
Have a nice evening, everyone…
Nov 5, 2009 - 9:56 pm 151. Bob:Is this a hate crime?
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Nov 6, 2009 - 12:04 am 153. Tina Trent:Bob #151 — no, it won’t be counted as hate. Neither were the 3,000 anti-American nationality murders of 9/11.
However, activists groups are already claiming anti-Arab backlash — they’re not saying where, of course — and I predict that before the end of the day, Obama will be speaking out against those imaginary non-incidents as hate crimes, but not the 12 killings, of course.
In fairness, Bush did precisely the same thing in 2001. It was within his power to urge the F.B.I. to record the 3,000 murders as hate crimes, and he did not.
We can’t possibly have the most prevalent form of hate crime being hatred of Americans, now can we?
Nov 6, 2009 - 5:10 am 154. Pragmatist:Message to all the Moonbats and left wing PC MC idiots there is no such thing as RADICAL Islam MISUNDERSTOOD Islam or TERRORIST Islam there is is just ISLAM plain and simple a Hate and death CULT. Realise it or be prepared to die for your ignorance and stupidity.
Nov 6, 2009 - 5:13 am 155. Tomp:#154 Right on.
Nov 6, 2009 - 5:24 am 156. Paul -Indiana:Muslims living in the US are like oil on water. As the saying goes – not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim. Enough already, political correctness be damned.
Another proponent of the religion of peace.
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