The strange alliance between the left and reactionary Muslims has taken center stage in the campaign leading up to tomorrows national elections for a new parliament in Denmark.
Asmaa Abdol-Hamid, a 25 year old social worker and islamist, is running for the extreme left wing party Enhedslisten. Last year she was behind a lawsuit against Jyllands-Posten trying to have the newspaper indicted for blasphemy after the publication of cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed.
I wonder how many leftists since the birth of socialism as a political movement have been involved in lawsuits against people offending the Christian faith? Not many, I gather.
If elected, Asmaa Abdol-Hamid will be the first Muslim woman wearing the veil to address Denmark’s parliament. At the same time, citing her faith, she refuses to shake hands with individuals of the other sex. When a female leader of the party was asked how she would react if a man refused to shake hands with her, she insisted that she would welcome it. Fortunately, this kind of hypocricy is obvious to quite a few people on the left, and in opinion polls the party has dropped below the minimum 2 pct. of the votes required for representation in parliament.
Asmaa Abdol-Hamid hasn’t been very clear in denouncing undemocratic practices in the Muslim world, so several spin doctors have been allocated to her campaign in order to prevent her from saying what she actually thinks.
The imam Abdul Wahid-Pedersen, who used to defend the practice of killling adulterous women by stoning, but nevertheless has been labeled “moderate”, has called on his fellow believers to vote for Asma Abdol-Hamid.
Here is what he wrote back in 2002 about the practice of stoning in Nigeria:
”The people has by majority decided to implement Islamic law, and the rest of the world therefore has to accept it. I agree that stoning is a cruel punishment, but it doesn’t change the fact that according to Islam the practise has been ordained by our Creator. We are not in a position to change this. Things that are stated unambigiously in the Koran or by the Prophet Mohammed are not open to debate among Muslims. The moment we would accept to discuss these matters, we at the same time would have declared that we do not believe in Allah and his messenger and in doing so we would have put ourselves outside Islam.”
Nice quote. What a moderate, what a liberal!
Abdul Wahid-Pedersen endorses the candidacy of Asmaa Abdol-Hamid this way:
”I am going to vote for her because I know her personally. With her in parliament we will get a totally new situation in the political life of Denmark. A woman wearing the veil in parliament will send a strong message about tolerance, both to the Muslim minority of Denmark and to the rest of the world, where we are perceived as mistreating minorities.”
Speak for yourself, imam. I wonder what the women of Nigeria, Iran or Saudi-Arabia will say to your call for tolerance?
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1. Safia Aoude:Dear mr. Rose,
Why are you so angry that Muslims participate in the political affairs of society?
Do you want Muslims to live as passive citizens in Danish contemporary society?
As a Muslim I feel the same obligation and liberty to practice social justice and politics as everybody else. As a Danish citizen we are all not just privileged but also quite obliged to be active participants in the business of governing society.
As so far I agree with you that the left wing has little sense to offer society when it comes to politics. Yet, even sister Asmaa should be extended the courtesy to choose her political points and act therupon without being labelled a hypocrite.
Muslims, too, have different political observations, and the strange thing is some Muslims of entirely different political observations are picking their justification for them from the same place, i.e. the Holy Quran and Sunnah.
Just as some Christians can pick their justifications straight from the Holy Bible and still find each other taking entirely opposite political views!
Muslims, of course, should freely use any legal tools to battle injustice, and both sister Asmaa, brother Abdul Wahid and I have played by the rules. Sometimes we´ve lost, some times we´ve won. Why are you critizising Muslims for using the legal tools of society, when these are the tools society is offering to everybody?
If and so far sister Asmaa enters Parliament, I might agree or disagree with her difefrent political views. But as a Muslim I would feel proud that a believing sister has achieved acceptance by the people, that she is going to help govern Denmark, and I am praying she will make the right choices for society.
If you don´t like her, don´t vote for her, but please don´t push an entire religion onto her back. She is a human being only.
Personally I am convinced that islam has much to offer Danish society, and I even believe that much of what islam has to offer, shares a common value with Christian and Jewish ethics and religious values; such as family values or dealing with criminal conduct.
Please accept Muslims have the same right and obligation as every other Danish citizen to participate in bending society into the direction seen fittest.
You have to comprehend that the only way to share Denmark is to enter into dialogue and accept each others right of participation.
Best regards,
Nov 12, 2007 - 11:45 am 2. Bageren:Safia Aoude
Wonderful comment from the famous racist Safia Aoude.
Why do you put a lot of words in the mouth of Rose, that he have never said ?
Pretty much your entire comment is about something that Fleming Rose haven’t mentioned in his comment.
All he is writing about, is the intolerant and hypocrit islamist Asmaa and Wahid Pedersen, and furthermore the hypocrisy of the left-wing.
Exactly what is it you believe islam has to offer to the danish society ?
Nov 12, 2007 - 6:16 pm 3. Martin Thrane:Is it the same thing that has made the entire islamic world such a wonderful place to live, that so many of you have decided to leave and instead move to europe and america ?
What makes you think that the danish/europeans are interested in your islamic values, we have done fairly well without islam - as you allready know since you have decided to move here,
Comment to Safia Aoude.
I do not see the anger in comment from Flemming Rose. On the contrary.
Everyone accept that we as danish citizens have equal rights. Muslim as well as non-muslim.
Everyone knows we have the right to critize every aspect we do not share same view on and we accept yours and Asmaa’s right to file any lawsuit that you find reasonable to file.
Try to understand that many danes find it ridicoulos and basically lack of respect or understanding of the right of free speach when filing lawsuits aimed at stopping criticism of the behavior of believers of religious persons. And the religion it self.
What I find hard to accept is the constant cry of blasphemy, racisme etc. we experience daily, when excercising the right of free speach in critizising fundamentalismn amongst our muslim countrymen and the racism that exists between muslims.
Stories of muslim voters verbally and pysically attacking muslim politicians running for parlament for ex. “Venstre” and claiming they are traitors are surfacing. This is simply not acceptable in a free country and that you should raise your voice to critize.
I am proud to belong to a society as the danish where you have the freedom to choose. I would be proud to see any muslim woman elected to the danish parlement, IF she is elected because of her being a good politician, not because of her religious belief.
Regarding Asmaa she is clearly using her scarf, not using handshakes etc. as a mean to promote herself. Prior her being politician she worked as a social worker and did not have any issues shaking hands with men. All of a sudden it became an issue.
She is supported by the more fundamentalistic believers. There’s no support from them to all the other more moderate muslims, ex. like Bünyamin Simsek.
He is a muslim speaking against muslim fundamentalisme and ethnic nationalism. And for a real integration policy with the following key word :
“Equal righs, Democraty, Freedom of speach and joint responsibility”.
He is verbally attacked.
Best regards
Nov 12, 2007 - 8:07 pm 4. Jon Herstad:@ Rose
A strange alliance indeed but not that chocking I would argue. The left in general has a inherent tendency to defend the weak, the minority, etc. By that it is naturally for Enhedslisten to endorse such a candidate regardless of her stands on the issues, for she is a minority and therefore they feel sorry for her.
Abdul Wahid-Pedersen is by some regarded as a moderate absolute, but does that say something about the general Imam in the media or those who call him moderate?
@ Safia Aoude
Absolutely, as we have the right to ridicule the hypocrisy, intolerance or plane stupidity brought forward by the imaginative Muslim like we do to any other person in the political sphere!
You are so right again. Islam is like any other religion based on undocumented imaginative stories. It is afraid of the birth canal. It demeans woman. More or less all terror attacks conducted for the last 10-20 years has bin faith based initiatives! Oh no, we need no more religion, that being Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Scientology, you name it…
Nov 12, 2007 - 10:18 pm 5. Bo:Dear Safia Aoude,
Asmaa Hamid would be welcomed and tolerated, should she - may Allah forbid - get votes enough for a seat in the parliament.
She would ofcourse provoke people around her, having medival views on issues such as sex, religious laws and other important stuff - but never the less would we accept her presence and give har space to do her business.
That is a democracy - you know - a place where even the smallest fraction of a minority has a voice.
However, should Miss Hamid, in her heart have thoughts in other directions than what she speaks, she betrays that democracy, and disqualifies herself from being a part of it - muslim or buddist or whatever she is.
So - she is very welcome, but she better be totally honest, because 5,5 million danes will hold her accountable to what she says and does.
She can win the heart of ALL danes, if she proves honest - will she Safia Aude?
Best regards
Nov 12, 2007 - 10:26 pm 6. David Thomson:Bo
“shares a common value with Christian and Jewish ethics and religious values..”
The last time I checked the mainstream leaders of the different Judeo-Christian denominations were not sending out their adherents on suicide bombing mission. Nor were they ordering the sexual mutilation of women, the murder of homosexuals, and the stoning of adulterers. I do not notice Safia Aoude condemning these vile practices.
Nov 13, 2007 - 1:36 am 7. Joseph McNulty:Spend an afternoon with a copy of the Qu’ran. If everyone did that, there would not be such confusion about the reality of Islamic supremacy, which is written right into Islam’s holy book and cannot be changed (since it is Allah’s immutable word). By the time everyone knows Islam’s true nature, it may be too late since “creeping Sharia” seems to be happening even in America. At some point, a large part of the pupulace will choose conversion over resistance (look at what happened in the Balkans for purely economic reasons). Already the “Daily Kos” has a poster who has suggested mass conversion (apparently thinking that conversion could be done as easily as nominal Christianity — with everyone nodding off during prayers) as a way to end the War on Terror and save civil liberties. I originally though that he was joking, but now I am not so sure. Lenin said that every revolution was the kicking in of a rotten door. The door in the West is rotten indeed. God preserve us.
Nov 13, 2007 - 2:03 am 8. Kejda:In short, Europe stands for nothing today. Ethnic nation-states in the Old West are crumbling under a scary moral void. Too many European citizens have no such thing as a comprehensive set of principles behind their various national identities; all they’ve got is their measly “Germanness”, “Frenchness”, “Britishness” or whatnot to hold on to, all of which are rapidly eroding in the acid of Cultural Relativism that the Europeans have been so eager and so stupid to embrace. Europe cannot stomach the backwardness of its Muslim Immigrants, yet it has no new cultural home to offer them. The French want their immigrants to participate in their “Frenchness” somehow, but “Frenchness” is inherited, it can never be acquired. Of course Sarkozy’s father was an outcast because of his Hungarian last name. There’s no way to get around it: Europe never forgets anyone’s ethnic otherness. The Holocaust is very eloquent on this subject. The European identity is ethnic/tribal at its core, not ideological. Europe has no moral shelter to offer even its natives, let alone its immigrants. Now that the church has been dethroned from its historic position of moral hegemony, the Old Continent is mutely agonizing like a giant headless cockroach awaiting slow starvation.
So what do Europeans have to say to burqa wearers, or to female circumcisers for that matter? “That’s not how we dress/do things over here”?? Europeans have no firm conceptions of why some of their traditions and practices are objectively superior to the new influx from the savage world. That’s because the moral foundation of their civilization has been a mix of Christian theology (now increasingly irrelevant) and pure ethnocentricity (Cultural Relativism has rendered ethnocentric supremacism impotent.)
Nov 13, 2007 - 5:56 am 9. Eric Dalton:Denmark and the rest of Europe would do well to stop Muslim immigration and encourage Muslims to leave and to return to their home countries or the countries of their parents. Muslims have no desire to integrate. They are patiently biding their time while their numbers grow to the point they can impose sharia on the native Europeans. Why are Muslims immigrating to Europe and America if they want to live as they did in their repressive, medieval, primitive native cultures? Islam is a cancer on Western civilization and WILL be its death if Europeans don’t take some strong medicine.
Nov 13, 2007 - 6:49 am 10. Safia Aoude:Eric,
You are making the false assumption that “Muslims” are strangers to Europe.
I am born and raised in Europe and I am a European.
Millions of Muslims, like me, are born and raised in Europe. They have the same obligation and right to participate in society as everybody else born and raised and living in Europe.
You are also forgetting the thousands of Europeans converting to islam.
It is only natural that European Muslims help shaping society, just as every other European wants to shape society.
In order to do that efficiently, we need to respect each other´s differences and learn to live together. Calling islam “cancer” and ridiculing each others religious beliefs is certainly not very productive. You are digging ditches rather than tearing down walls.
Nov 13, 2007 - 6:34 pm 11. Joseph McNulty:How long will it be before Europe sees all Muslims, whether born in “Europe” or not, as what they are, a Fifth Column that can only be deported, not assimilated. For example, we have Safia Aoude, who talk about tearing down walls. I have one question: is your primary loyalty to Islam and the umma or to the European ideals of individual conscience and tolerance? Are the ideals of Islam — Sharia and the supremacy of Islam and the persecution of gays –consistent with those of Europe? Do you hold with the Islamic doctrine of Loyalty and Emnity, which says that a Muslim must be loyal to a fellow Muslim who mistreats him and have emnity towards the infidel, like a fellow “European,” who treats him well. What does Zawahiri say about the Muslim at the battle of Uhud who killed his father when he refused to convert to Islam? Are you prepared to disclaim radical Islam, which seeks to “reform” Islam and return it to its roots of the Prophet the his companions? Do you condemn the killing of Theo van Gogh and the anathemazation of Islamic converts to Christianity? Otherwise, what you are really arguing for is tolerance for intolerance, a suicidal proposition.
Nov 13, 2007 - 7:37 pm 12. Jon Herstad:@ Eric Dalton
Although I agree that religious fundamentalism is a bigger problem among Muslims, to say that
Is not only classic bigotry, it is also wrong! There are a lot of hard working Muslims living peacefully in Europe period!
@ Safia Aoude
And you are some kind of uniter? Fact of the matter is that Mr. Dalton and Ms. Aoude is one of a kind!
Nov 14, 2007 - 12:41 am 13. Jon Herstad:@ Joseph McNulty
Yeah that would be great – irony for the retarded – fighting intolerance and fundamentalism with intolerance and fundamentalism, now that’s really great! By doing that you have lost the war [on terror that is] and has given in to your enemy!
Nov 14, 2007 - 12:50 am 14. Joseph McNulty:Is anything that I said untrue? You sound like you do not know the answers to the questions that I posed. I do not know where in life it is written that nothing bad can befall someone. Maybe European-born Muslims should stay. What about Muslims just off the boat from Morocco or Somalia? Why is Europe importing a population who will not only not observe historic European norms, but who will be hostile toward them and whose religion does not even accept the Western idea of human rights? Read Osama bin Laden’s article, “Moderation is a Protration to the West,” and then tell me that we should be indifferent to the immigration of Muslims to Europe. This is an irreconciable population that cannot be assimilated. In fact, to be an assimilated Muslim is to be a “hypocrite,” who can be killed, according to Zawahiri as not being a true Muslim. Asking a Muslim to have primary loyalty to a European country is to ask him to violate his religion. The Ayatollah Khomeini denounced patriotism as a form of paganism. Do you really want to import such a population? I notice that Safia Aoude has not responded to my piece. He knows the Islamic answers to the questions that I posed.
Nov 14, 2007 - 1:16 am 15. Jon Herstad:@ Joseph McNulty
First:
Then suddenly:
Obvious consistency is not a virtue of yours! But I’ll answer you second post:
Immigration to Europe has bin out of control for several decades no doubt about that especially from some Middle Eastern countries with medieval traditions and norms. If you follow European politics you’ll know that is changing now. It’s a struggle but to start deportation and things like that would be discarding the civil law which you do not do in a civilised country!
Oh, so these three guys are The Holy Trinity of Islam? That’s like saying that because Pat Robertson and Jerry Farwell said some outrageous things about 9/11 all Christians are bigots! As I said in my prior post there is a lot of hard working Muslims living peacefully in Europe weather you like it or not!
He is a she! Apart from that I’m also looking forward to the answer!
Nov 14, 2007 - 2:10 am 16. Joseph McNulty:You compare Jerry Falwell with Osama bin Laden? How many Christian suicide bombers have we seen? You cannot dismiss Osama bin Laden when surveys show that he is the most popular personality in the Arab world. In Pakistan, he is more popular that Mushaffaf and Bhutto COMBINED. You should read bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri. Their writings are turgid theological tracts, with copious footnotes to Islamic authority, not insane threats of terrorists. Bin Laden is like Martin Luther with Semtex — he wants to retrurn to the stark Islam of the time of the Prophet and his Companions. I did not know that Safia Aoude was a woman. My apologies to her. I still would like her to answer my questions, particularly the one about the Battle of Uhud. Still, there is no guarantee in life that one will never have to relocate. This, whether we recognize it or not, is a matter of survival.
Nov 14, 2007 - 2:25 am 17. Jon Herstad:I did not compare Jerry Farwell and Pat Robertson to Osama Bin Laden, I stated the obvious that Osama (and the other thugs) do not speak for all Muslims like Farwell and Robertson don’t speak for all Christians!
I have read some of Osama’s ridicules writings, again that don’t say anything about Muslims as such. I know very well that Osama is popular in Pakistan (and in Afghanistan for that matter) but we are not talking about the tribal cavemen in the Far East we are talking about Muslims in Europe.
We’ll never agree I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories…
Take a look here: http://www.freemuslims.org/ and get enlighten
Nov 14, 2007 - 3:11 am 18. aloysiusmiller:Perhaps the solutions is for all the men to treat her like half of a man as in sharia.
Nov 14, 2007 - 3:42 am 19. Joseph McNulty:Jon Herstad, you did compare Osama bin Laden and Jerry Falwell, at least to the extent of whether they reflect a larger group. The comparison was odious. I never said that Osama bin Laden represents ALL Muslims. But it is also true that everyone in Pakistan is not a tribal “caveman.” It is estimated that radical Islam has about a 10% “market share” among Muslims. That would mean that there are well over 100 million radical Muslims in the world. What is more worrying is that a much larger group, up to half, has sympathy with the radical Muslims, although they are not prepared to strap on a bomb and claim their 72 virgins in Paradise (and get 50 relatives out of Hell). The West is materially strong, but spiritually weak. The Islamists have sensed this and attacked us at our weakest point. Having vast weapons is beside the point when you think that you are the kind of guilty person who has no “right” to use them. I am still waiting for answers to my questions. Bin Laden’s writings, bu the way, are not unhinged in any way. He writes as a theologian, and everything he says is footnooted to Islamic authority. He is very orthodox in his thinking as a Sunni Muslim. The problem is that we just don’t want to hear his message. He has written a whole message (See Raympond Ibrihim’s translation in “the Al-Queda Reader”) on how democracy and individual rights are Western concepts from the “pagan” Enlightenment that have no place in Islam since true “freedom” is Sharia, living in submission to Allah’s law.
Nov 14, 2007 - 2:45 pm 20. Latifah:Jon Herstad :
I have read some of Osama’s ridicules writings, again that don’t say anything about Muslims as such.I know very well that Osama is popular in Pakistan (and in Afghanistan for that matter) but we are not talking about the tribal cavemen in the Far East we are talking about Muslims in Europe.
You gravely under estimate Bin Laden, and the amount of support that he has in the west.
If I can remember rightly, wasn’t it British muslims of Paki descent that bombed London Undergroud
You will have to excuse me if I use the term Paki, the reason I do so is not because I am a racist, but because that is what the Paki,s call themselves.
Google (Paki Pride) or take a look here
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/10/paki-pride-paki-pride-is-ma-mind-paki.html
Nov 14, 2007 - 3:11 pm 21. Jon Herstad:@ Joseph McNulty
Maybe you should start reading my posts instead of just autopiloting through! I did not compare Osama bin Laden to Falwell and Robertson. I showed the absolute ridicules in you letteing Osama, Al-Zawahiri and Ruhollah Khomeini speak for all Muslims and that was just what you did despite your denial!
As I’ve said before I completely agree that Islamofascism is a great danger to the western civilisation. But your answer [deporting that was] is not an option. Apart from being outrageous to deport all the moderate Muslims for no reason what so ever it is the first step toward dictatorship. Obvious you don’t get that so as I mentioned we are not going to agree!
@ Latifah
I have never said that there is no problem regarding Islamic fundamentalism in Europe neither terror committed by European Muslims!
As said before I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories nor do I want fight fundamentalism with fundamentalism that’s where you (and Mr. McNutty as well) and I differ.
Who said anything about you being a racist? Who talked about what UK-Pakistanis call themselves? I guess if I was a Freudian I could get quit a lot out of that totally out of context (and by the way rather pathetic) last part of your post. But I’m not so I’ll just laugh my ass of!
Nov 14, 2007 - 4:55 pm 22. Excommie:Birthright is an outdated concept. Times have changed since feudal inheritance ruled all. Majority of citizens voted on the existing rights, another vote can take them away. Many contries have provisions for loss of citizenship for treason. The voters can decide when a political position constitutes national treason and how to act on it. A religion, which demands active involvement in politics and recognizes exclusively its own legal standard is crossing deeply into the realm of politics and should not be surprised when treated as a political movement and opposed by political means. Islam is far, far beyond the definition of religion in the Western sense and can not expect the protection and freedoms, reserved for less intrusive belief systems. Multiple other religions which require human sacrifice, ritual crimes of various character, or practices crushing human rights and morals are also not protected. There can be no exeptions just because one violent cult happens to have more numerous adherents.
Nov 14, 2007 - 6:05 pm 23. Canadian Eyes Wide Open:Safia
you said:
“Why are you so angry that Muslims participate in the political affairs of society?”
You are kidding right? Since when are nonmulsims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Agnostics, Atheists etc etc allowed to participate politically in a muslim country?
In Egypt right now they are taking measures to prevent just that. In other muslim countries they make sure the nonmuslims have no power.
Your hypocrisy is showing.
Regular people everywhere aren’t fooled anymore. Even the left wing media cannot trick us now thanks to a little something called the internet…
AND WE THE NONMUSLIMS OF THE WORLD ARE WATCHING YOU NOW ISLAM. WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE.
Nov 14, 2007 - 6:21 pm 24. Joseph McNulty:What I proposed was really designed to AVOID a war. We have three choices: (1) dhimmi status, feeling ourselves subdued, as stated in Sharia and the Qu’ran; (2) global war, or (3) separation from the Muslim world and Muslims. There is no other solution. The idea that we can assimilate millions of orthodox Muslims is a fantasy. Can the West deport millions of Muslims, as it should? Probably not. We are too attached to our own exalted view of ourselves, to the idea that we are too guilty to have any “right” to resist forcefully. The politicians don’t care whether a vote is secular or Islamic. At some point, Islamic votes will be seen as a way to maintain power. By then, it may be too late to resist. The alternative is to do nothing as demagoges rise and provoke a civil war, which we are likely to lose, since Islam glorifies martial virtues. It is not for nothing that Hitler admired Islam and regretted the defeat of Islam in Europe in the Middle Ages. I am hoping that we can avoid this. We also have to find some alternative to Middle Eastern oil, since the ocean of money being transferred means that we are paying for our own destruction.
Nov 15, 2007 - 2:22 am 25. Joseph McNulty:Charles Johnson of “Little Green Footballs” is not taking into account the ESSENTIAL nature of Islam. Islam brooks no competitors. There is nothing about “live and let live” and “let God sort out who is right and who is wrong” in Islam. That is what the whole concept of the “infidel” is about. We have only three choices: (1) conversion to Islam; (2) dhimmitude for “people of the book” in which Jews and Christians can pay a special tax and be second-class citizens, provided that they “feel themselves subdued” and have no authority over Muslims; or (3) death.
Islam is implacable and the “moderate Muslim” is a fantasy or results from a Muslim who does not know what the Qu’ran commands (which is possible since many Muslims do not speak the Arabic of the Qu’ran, and close study of the text is NOT encouraged) or do not take it very seriously or perhaps are practicing taqiyya (lying to the “infidel” for the good of Islam).
The charge of neo-Nazism is so poisonous, so vile — putting the person objected to beyond the pale — that it should not be made without ironclad proof, not 20-year-old videos or Druid symbols on someone’s bookcase. If Pamela Geller feels welcome at a conference, how can anyone make a charge of neo-Nazism? How can a party that FAVORS israel be neo-Nazi? Just what does the charge MEAN when we know that Jew-hating is woven into the fabic of Islam (one of Mohammed’s first acts was the beheading of a tribe of Jews).
How can any Western intelligence agency depand upon a Muslim when Mohammed himself said that “War is deceit” and blessed the doctrine of taqiyya, which the Qu’ran described as “smiling in (the infidel’s) face while despising in the heart”? We are asking to be penetrated. Does the public know that Hillary’s chief of staff is a Muslim woman (beautiful and reportedly her girlfriend), a Pakistani who grew up in Saudi Arabia and purchased $680,000.00 house on a $28,000.00 per year salary? Why is this not a news story? Where is she getting her money for her designer clothes and her townhouse? Someday, she may be in the White House with Hillary. Do you want to conduct a War on Terror without knowing the answers to these questions?
In the final analysis, I suspect that the West will NOT deport Muslims, both because of our illusions about “freedom of religion” and “freedom of conscience” or because most Muslims will practice taqiyya and lyingly pledge their loyalty to the West to stay here, while giving their REAL loyalty (as the Qu’ran commands) to fellow Muslims and the umma.
I do not “hate” Muslims. After all, one does not have to “hate” rattlesnakes to realize that one does not want to live among them. You just have to recognize their essential nature, the danger they present. One does not have to blame them for the fact that they are dangerous to you.
I suspect that we will be assured that there is “no need to do anything” (after all, Mark Steyn is a dunce and not a university-trained demographer) until we are told that “it is too late to resist.”
My favorite quote from the European Union is that of a French official who commented when the public rejected the pending EU Constitution, “Well, the people have said ‘no.’ So we will just have to get a new ‘people.’” So sadly true.
Nov 16, 2007 - 9:15 pm 26. Lon:The alliance of the Muslims and the left is one that betrays the fundamental beliefs of both parties. Where is the common ground on homosexuality, freedom of speech, pornography, death penalty, oppression of women, non-discrimination, etc? There is only one reason these two can enter into such a hypocritical alliance and that is to achieve power through the overthrow the current status quo. If history teaches us anything, it is that they will both try to eliminate the other after the first goal is achieved. Certainly the Islamists intend to eliminate the left but the liberals haven’t really contemplated the end game. When they are on their own, liberals will regret the loss of the system and people that have traditionally protected them.
The Islamists haven’t been secretive about their intentions in any way. Of course, they intend to use democracy to destroy democracy. They will publicly say the right things until they get what they want.
It would be interesting to observe these two dealing with each other in some parallel universe. To see leftists in veil and subject to sharia would be just too much fun.
Nov 17, 2007 - 10:34 pm