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Next crowd? Dunno. Telling women to avoid Wall Street and to serve instead in social programs doesn’t sound all that ‘liberating.’ [Then again, one can blithely recommend such from the height of $300kpa. Changes one's perspective.]

and why not? It seems so simple to me: the weakest part of the Islamic world is its treatment of women… how to get at that topic without running up against the (understandable) reaction of these women to well meaning advice by such as Karen Hughes.

And getting at this issue is so important to the fate of OUR world, as we go about this Long War. Phyllis Chesler has been covering this. One thing we can do in this country is define “honor killings”, and set up places where these women/victims can hide and begin new lives.

I still remember one journalist talking about how, the desert around Riyadh is crowded with the ghosts of murdered women.

Come on Professor,

the women there are TOO beaten down to even think of standing up.

There are voices in the deserts and wastelands of the Middle East, and if you’re silent you can discern the mournful echo of women who tried to stand, who tried to resist, who tried to preserve a small shred of human dignity, ———————– and were uncermoniously dragged out into the empty spaces, and laid low.

And that has been occurring for CENTURIES now.

Mohammadenism IS TOTALITARIANISM, it’s the longest running Totalitarianism in human history. And as the late Solzhenitsyn warned us of such Totalitarianisms, they don’t last not because there isn’t resistance thereto, they last because they are INHUMANLY strong, Satanically strong, strong as the very foundations of Hell itself.

There has been no uprising amongst Mohammedan men.

There will be no uprising amongst Mohammedan women.

Relief will come from without.

As Sherman journeyed South, as Patton tore through the Saar, only then will ordered liberty ever stand a chance in such societies.

That’s grim indeed, I know.

But just read some of the writings of Andrew Bostom, just read some of the stuff by Bat Yeor.

There will be nothing from within, it will only arrive from without.

“Islam is deeply anti-woman. Islam is the fundamental cause of the repression of Muslim women and remains the major obstacle to the evolution of their position.[1] Islam has always considered women as creatures inferior in every way: physically, intellectually, and morally. This negative vision is divinely sanctioned in the Koran, corroborated by the hadiths, and perpetuated by the commentaries of the theologians, the custodians of Muslim dogma and ignorance.
Far better for these intellectuals to abandon the religious argument, to reject these sacred texts, and have recourse to reason alone. They should turn instead to human rights. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (adopted on December 10, 1948, by the General Assembly of the United Nations in Paris and ratified by most Muslim countries) at no point has recourse to a religious argument. These rights are based on natural rights, which any adult human being capable of choice has. They are rights that human beings have simply because they are human beings. Human reason or rationality is the ultimate arbiter of rights - human rights, the rights of women.”

Reference:
http://islam-watch.org/IbnWarraq/Islam’s-Shame-Veil-Tears.htm

Then how come the so-called defenders of human rights (Free world, particularly Western European countries) allow the atrocities against women to continue. As a matter of fact the men who are loaded, despite the fact that they are committing atrocities against women, are welcomed in Europe along with their 16 wives and their cars. They would brought their Camels if allowed. That means there is nothing that Islamist petro-dollars can’t buy. That includes: Hush Hushing Human Rights, IHT, BBC, and Amnesty International. Otherwise, these organizations would have a program to pressure European countries denying visas to those who force women to cover themselves head to toe, and marry 100 of women at the same time. When there is money, human rights is only a slogan for European. Just visit London, Rome, and Paris, you will see 000s of oppressed women shopping big time. That is the bottom line for the West, not the Human Rights.

ML:

Yes, well said. It is an old story, as the oppressors try to buy off the oppressed. But it is a dangerous game, since all those women shopping in the West see how their sisters are living, and they wants it, in Gollum’s great line.

What about our “moderate” Arab ally of Saudia Arabia. They are the same as the Taliban was before they got their asses booted out of Afghanistan , which was to the delight of the people of Afghanistan. But the problem is is that the Saudis have strong supporters in the U.S.; so allot of their human rights atrocities aren’t well known as they should be. Go Steelers!

Greetings:

My father used to tell me that Moses took the Jews into the desert for forty years so that those who suffered slavery could die off and a new generation could come to its maturity.

a friend of mine pointed out that the type of woman exemplified by Hillary (strong, cold-eyed, ruthless wife of strong man) is well known in the tribal lands of the Middle East.

Someone like Sarah Palin, though, is a whole new kettle of fish: she is self made, her husband is a hard worker as is she; she is a mother of 5 children; she hunts moose, and she fishes, and she is a member of the NRA; she is a Governor of Alaska, she is CUTE, she and her husband work together (and while she is busy governing, he stays home with the kids, when he isn’t winning snowmobile endurance races, and fishing on the ocean, and working on oil rigs.)
She has broken the mold of women politicians. I think she is the kind of role model that will make the Middle Eastern woman sit up and take notice.

After thousands of years of evolving standards, the current sociology of Judao-Christian peoples is ‘guilt/rights,’ whereas the sociology of the Islamic peoples is ‘honor/shame.’ These sociological differences are so disparate that there is no real likelihood of one becoming more like the other in the near years ahead.

It would be much more effective to stress Muhammad’s dramatic personal improvement in the lives of Arab women, and ask why ‘frightened’ Muslim men no longer follow his example of improving the lives of women.

Laura Bush made several very compelling speeches on this subject. Pity the press didn’t choose to cover it. But it’s an election year. Can’t do anything supportive of the Republicans.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011117.html

Katie Couric on the other hand agreed to don a burka so she could cover a puff piece on a Saudi market for the Today show. That was when I stopped watching NBC. It used to be where I got my morning news.

Later she “impishly” donned a burka to read the news when she became a nightly anchor. Real cute, Katie.
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/09/18/060918crte_television

ML:

Laura’s remarks are seven years old, I’m not aware that there has been any decent followup. Please tell me I’m wrong…
Don’t blame the Bushes for this one.

I believe strongly the people who ran German economy, industry, and official media these days, are all Left-Over-Nazis. Germany is the main supporter of anti-human regime of Khomeinists. As a matter of fact from the time Ahmaghi-nejad has opened his dirty mouth and issued treat against non-Muslim and particularly Jews and Israel, Germans have expanded their economic cooperation with murderous regime of IRI by 20%. German don’t care about the plight of women, students, journalists, and other human being. It seems they are still living in 1940s when it comes to human rights. In addition, German Nazi-based media is constantly propagating nonsense against the USA, and for pleasing the IRI. As it was reported in the media, even 9/11 terrorists planned their anti-civilization attack on NY in Germany. German still provide tribune to terrorists Islamists, including IRI, Hezbol-Ah, and other Islamo-fascists. In recent months there have been many events welcoming and pleasing IRI thugs in Germany. These events include free- dinner gathering (to gather more uneducated bazaari-style merchants who care more about their stomach and there lower, than anything else) in Hamburg. One wonders, when these IRI-Terrorists supporting Germans will become real human.

It’s not the silence of western feminists that appalls me, it’s the fact that some of them manage through convuluted reason actually to support it or atleast deem it a legitimate cultural expression.

Besides, we all know what the cause is of the oppression of Muslim women: Israeli occupation of the territories. We know this because it’s the cause of all the troubles in the Middle East.