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		<title>By: joeblough</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/06/30/iraq-yes-but-also/comment-page-1/#comment-11281</link>
		<dc:creator>joeblough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a side note, the broad war stretches east to Thailand, Malasia and the Philippines and south into Africa.

BTW, we have every reason to believe that it is quietly setting down roots in South America as we consider this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a side note, the broad war stretches east to Thailand, Malasia and the Philippines and south into Africa.</p>
<p>BTW, we have every reason to believe that it is quietly setting down roots in South America as we consider this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jassem Othman</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/06/30/iraq-yes-but-also/comment-page-1/#comment-11221</link>
		<dc:creator>Jassem Othman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The United States won the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but it is impossible to imagine freedom and security adequately in the Middle East even the security of the world so long as Khamanei regime reigns in Iran, and the Al-Assad family dictatorships reigns in Syria and the Saudi monarchy in Saudi Arabia. The Iranians, Syrians, and the Saudi royal family, they all dare not acquiesce in the creation of the freedom and success in Iraq, because that would mightily threaten their own survival. All leaders in the region believe that America was planned beforehand by invading Iraq to remove Saddam&#039;s regime. They believe if one president will be removed, in meantime all the other leaders in the region felt they likewise could be removed by US military force. They all have been trained combatants and sent them freely cross the borders from Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Jordan in order to deliver money, weapons.   

As for Saudi Arabia, the Saudi Arabia is your ally and in the same time is your enemy. obviously that Saudi government had strongly and strongly backed the Wahhabi thought throughout the world and that Islamist fundamentalism totalitarian movement financed and supported strongly and strongly by the stupid Saudi royal family and the wealthy Saudis, where the Saudis provide money for terrorist groups and support a global network of radical Wahhabi mosques and schools that indoctrinate young Muslims in the ways of Jihad. In other words &quot;the Saudi enormous oil proceeds became in service of Jihad against Zionists and Crusaders.&quot;  Once, King Abdullah   had condemned presence of American troops in Iraq.

But I really wonder interestingly!!! The US POSSESSES a lot of information proving the complicity of the Syrian regime and Iranian regime in the steady flow of terrorists from Syria and Iran to Iraq and Afghanistan as well. And that Evil regimes in the region &quot;Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia&quot; they humiliated the United States and harmed the America&#039;s interests in the region, and though President Obama has announced he is sending an ambassador to Damascus, Syria. 
Yet every American president from Mr Jimmy Carter to Mr Barack Obama has convinced themselves that they can reach a workable, long-term modus vivendi with the Islamic Republic?! Of course they know that any   solutions of negotiation will NEVER be accomplished and though American administration or &quot;Administration of Doves&quot; does NOT WANT to hear these things &quot;None are so blind as those who will not see.&quot;

However, I would like to remind the humiliating defeat makers who are calling to the US withdrawal from Iraq. Any pullout from Iraq will lead to a big disaster and unforgivable crime, if you abandon the Iraq and the region in this case you really will lose the peace by abandoning the battlefield prematurely, above all you will hurt your influence in the region!!! And also if the United States going to withdraw from Iraq this will prove the case not only in Iraq, but also elsewhere in the Arabian Gulf, the Middle East, South Korea, Europe and another places throughout the world. On the other hand, today you could see most of the United States partners from States of Arabian Gulf became have an tendencies to build warm relations with Russia, North Korea and China. This is proving bad-faith toward the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The United States won the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but it is impossible to imagine freedom and security adequately in the Middle East even the security of the world so long as Khamanei regime reigns in Iran, and the Al-Assad family dictatorships reigns in Syria and the Saudi monarchy in Saudi Arabia. The Iranians, Syrians, and the Saudi royal family, they all dare not acquiesce in the creation of the freedom and success in Iraq, because that would mightily threaten their own survival. All leaders in the region believe that America was planned beforehand by invading Iraq to remove Saddam&#8217;s regime. They believe if one president will be removed, in meantime all the other leaders in the region felt they likewise could be removed by US military force. They all have been trained combatants and sent them freely cross the borders from Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Jordan in order to deliver money, weapons.   </p>
<p>As for Saudi Arabia, the Saudi Arabia is your ally and in the same time is your enemy. obviously that Saudi government had strongly and strongly backed the Wahhabi thought throughout the world and that Islamist fundamentalism totalitarian movement financed and supported strongly and strongly by the stupid Saudi royal family and the wealthy Saudis, where the Saudis provide money for terrorist groups and support a global network of radical Wahhabi mosques and schools that indoctrinate young Muslims in the ways of Jihad. In other words &#8220;the Saudi enormous oil proceeds became in service of Jihad against Zionists and Crusaders.&#8221;  Once, King Abdullah   had condemned presence of American troops in Iraq.</p>
<p>But I really wonder interestingly!!! The US POSSESSES a lot of information proving the complicity of the Syrian regime and Iranian regime in the steady flow of terrorists from Syria and Iran to Iraq and Afghanistan as well. And that Evil regimes in the region &#8220;Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia&#8221; they humiliated the United States and harmed the America&#8217;s interests in the region, and though President Obama has announced he is sending an ambassador to Damascus, Syria.<br />
Yet every American president from Mr Jimmy Carter to Mr Barack Obama has convinced themselves that they can reach a workable, long-term modus vivendi with the Islamic Republic?! Of course they know that any   solutions of negotiation will NEVER be accomplished and though American administration or &#8220;Administration of Doves&#8221; does NOT WANT to hear these things &#8220;None are so blind as those who will not see.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, I would like to remind the humiliating defeat makers who are calling to the US withdrawal from Iraq. Any pullout from Iraq will lead to a big disaster and unforgivable crime, if you abandon the Iraq and the region in this case you really will lose the peace by abandoning the battlefield prematurely, above all you will hurt your influence in the region!!! And also if the United States going to withdraw from Iraq this will prove the case not only in Iraq, but also elsewhere in the Arabian Gulf, the Middle East, South Korea, Europe and another places throughout the world. On the other hand, today you could see most of the United States partners from States of Arabian Gulf became have an tendencies to build warm relations with Russia, North Korea and China. This is proving bad-faith toward the US.</p>
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		<title>By: flickervertigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flickervertigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exxon, the AEI necons&#039; buddy (remember the AEI, whose PNAC spinoff admitted to needing &quot;a new pearl harbor&quot; in september of 2000, just before they were installed... etc etc etc?)

...anyhow, exxon wouldnt pay the iraqis what they want for their oil... did you notice that?...

we tear their country to shreds, kill hundreds of thousands, and after all we&#039;ve done for them, they wont give us their oil... 

ungrateful bastards

.
well, at least israel doesnt have to worry about iraq for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exxon, the AEI necons&#8217; buddy (remember the AEI, whose PNAC spinoff admitted to needing &#8220;a new pearl harbor&#8221; in september of 2000, just before they were installed&#8230; etc etc etc?)</p>
<p>&#8230;anyhow, exxon wouldnt pay the iraqis what they want for their oil&#8230; did you notice that?&#8230;</p>
<p>we tear their country to shreds, kill hundreds of thousands, and after all we&#8217;ve done for them, they wont give us their oil&#8230; </p>
<p>ungrateful bastards</p>
<p>.<br />
well, at least israel doesnt have to worry about iraq for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: flickervertigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flickervertigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the &lt;a href=&quot;http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4884/holeoilgaspipes2july090.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gas and oil are getting away&lt;/a&gt; from the neocons.

god forbid we quit blowing people up and, with the money we save, &lt;i&gt;buy&lt;/i&gt; the oil.

i guess that&#039;s too radical an idea, and not much fun, too boot...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the <a href="http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4884/holeoilgaspipes2july090.jpg" rel="nofollow">gas and oil are getting away</a> from the neocons.</p>
<p>god forbid we quit blowing people up and, with the money we save, <i>buy</i> the oil.</p>
<p>i guess that&#8217;s too radical an idea, and not much fun, too boot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: vivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A country gets what it deserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A country gets what it deserves.</p>
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		<title>By: flickervertigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flickervertigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how you gonna starve russia into submission when the &lt;a href=&quot;http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/1605/oildollar29jun09.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;price of oil&lt;/a&gt; is going back up?

if the neocons said, in sept 2000, that they needed a new pearl harbor, what do they need now? ...&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=%22nuclear+primacy%22+%22first+strike%22+russia+china&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nuke first strikes&lt;/a&gt; on russia and china?

that oughta be good for a couple giggles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how you gonna starve russia into submission when the <a href="http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/1605/oildollar29jun09.jpg" rel="nofollow">price of oil</a> is going back up?</p>
<p>if the neocons said, in sept 2000, that they needed a new pearl harbor, what do they need now? &#8230;<a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=%22nuclear+primacy%22+%22first+strike%22+russia+china" rel="nofollow">nuke first strikes</a> on russia and china?</p>
<p>that oughta be good for a couple giggles.</p>
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		<title>By: flickervertigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flickervertigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Lonie says...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;on 9/11/2001 the Neocons were the only people who understood what had happened...&quot;

that&#039;s amazing, isnt it? 

...especially in view of the fact that, a year earlier, they said they needed &quot;a new pearl harbor&quot;, and were, within months, installed into positions from which they could make their &quot;new pearl harbor&quot; happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Lonie says&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;on 9/11/2001 the Neocons were the only people who understood what had happened&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>that&#8217;s amazing, isnt it? </p>
<p>&#8230;especially in view of the fact that, a year earlier, they said they needed &#8220;a new pearl harbor&#8221;, and were, within months, installed into positions from which they could make their &#8220;new pearl harbor&#8221; happen.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPDATE:  From the AP, “The top U.S. military commander in Iraq on Tuesday accused Iran of continuing to support and train militants who are carrying out attacks, including most of the ones in Baghdad. Gen. Ray Odierno said the attacks have fallen in number but are still a problem. He made the comments just after the U.S. relinquished security for Baghdad and other urban areas to Iraqi forces, part of a security agreement that will see all American soldiers out of the country by the end of 2011. ‘Iran is still supporting, funding and training surrogates who operate inside of Iraq. They have not stopped and I don’t think they will stop,’ Odierno told reporters at the U.S. military headquarters outside Baghdad. ‘I think many of the attacks in Baghdad are from individuals that have been in fact funded or trained by the Iranians.’”

Michael, the small type gave my eyeballs a headache so I reposted it in &#039;regular&#039; print.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE:  From the AP, “The top U.S. military commander in Iraq on Tuesday accused Iran of continuing to support and train militants who are carrying out attacks, including most of the ones in Baghdad. Gen. Ray Odierno said the attacks have fallen in number but are still a problem. He made the comments just after the U.S. relinquished security for Baghdad and other urban areas to Iraqi forces, part of a security agreement that will see all American soldiers out of the country by the end of 2011. ‘Iran is still supporting, funding and training surrogates who operate inside of Iraq. They have not stopped and I don’t think they will stop,’ Odierno told reporters at the U.S. military headquarters outside Baghdad. ‘I think many of the attacks in Baghdad are from individuals that have been in fact funded or trained by the Iranians.’”</p>
<p>Michael, the small type gave my eyeballs a headache so I reposted it in &#8216;regular&#8217; print.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lonie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Lonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muqtada as-Sadr is still around.  He was studying in Iran to try to become an ayatollah, that is a genuine member of the Shi&#039;a ulema, which he was not before.  His militia fell apart and the Iraqi Army went into Basra and cleaned the Sadrists out, something the British had been unwilling to do for several years.  They were also pretty much smashed in Baghdad.  As-Sadr was trying, when last heard from, to make a political comeback.  I think he did not do too well in the last elections, where the religious parties were not too successful in general.

There are lots of Iraqis and no doubt they have different opinions about the US troops.  I have always rather suspected that we would get French Appreciation from them.  But implanting halfway decent consensual government in the Arab Middle East where there have been only tyrannies before is important for fighting against the jihadist terrorism whose attacks on us culminated on 9/11.  This terrorism arises from the dysfunctional political culture of the Middle East, where the only political breathing space is in the mosques, which even the most determined dictator cannot shut down.  Thus political opposition perforce takes a religious line to be effective.  All secular ones are shut down.  For the terrorism to be made negligible this must change and be reformed.  The Iraq Camapign was a major step in doing this, one important campaign in a larger war.

As for those rubbishing the dreaded Neocons, on 9/11/2001 the Neocons were the only people who understood what had happened and were the only people who had a realistic idea of what to do about it.  As far as I can see that is still the case.  Nothing their critics have said, on either the looney right or on the left, have given evidence of understanding the problems or of having any clear idea of what to do about them.  So we get from those critics 9/11 Trootherism, people who want to go back to the failed policies of the Clinton Administration (if not that of Carter), antisemitism masquerading as foreign policy critiques, and other irrelevancies.  Wise up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muqtada as-Sadr is still around.  He was studying in Iran to try to become an ayatollah, that is a genuine member of the Shi&#8217;a ulema, which he was not before.  His militia fell apart and the Iraqi Army went into Basra and cleaned the Sadrists out, something the British had been unwilling to do for several years.  They were also pretty much smashed in Baghdad.  As-Sadr was trying, when last heard from, to make a political comeback.  I think he did not do too well in the last elections, where the religious parties were not too successful in general.</p>
<p>There are lots of Iraqis and no doubt they have different opinions about the US troops.  I have always rather suspected that we would get French Appreciation from them.  But implanting halfway decent consensual government in the Arab Middle East where there have been only tyrannies before is important for fighting against the jihadist terrorism whose attacks on us culminated on 9/11.  This terrorism arises from the dysfunctional political culture of the Middle East, where the only political breathing space is in the mosques, which even the most determined dictator cannot shut down.  Thus political opposition perforce takes a religious line to be effective.  All secular ones are shut down.  For the terrorism to be made negligible this must change and be reformed.  The Iraq Camapign was a major step in doing this, one important campaign in a larger war.</p>
<p>As for those rubbishing the dreaded Neocons, on 9/11/2001 the Neocons were the only people who understood what had happened and were the only people who had a realistic idea of what to do about it.  As far as I can see that is still the case.  Nothing their critics have said, on either the looney right or on the left, have given evidence of understanding the problems or of having any clear idea of what to do about them.  So we get from those critics 9/11 Trootherism, people who want to go back to the failed policies of the Clinton Administration (if not that of Carter), antisemitism masquerading as foreign policy critiques, and other irrelevancies.  Wise up.</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
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