They have dishonored our shores for quite some time and more keep coming our way.
I am talking about honor killings in North America. In The Death of Feminism, I write about honor murders in Missouri, Ohio, and in parts of New Jersey, New York, and Canada which took place during the last quarter-century.
Just yesterday, an Egyptian Arab Muslim father in Dallas, Texas allegedly shot his two beautiful teenage daughters to death because he disapproved of their American-style ways. Their names were Amina and Sarah Said and their father’s name was Yasser Abdul Said. The girls looked sassy and full of life; they looked like Dallas teenagers. They were 17 and 18 years old and their friends considered them “geniuses.” Abdul was a taxi driver. (In parts of Europe, taxi drivers are known to aid and abet honor murders).
Perhaps how Amina and Sarah dressed, and how they thought, shamed their father Yasser. He was no longer in control of his women–a mark of shame which provoked his need to kill them. Perhaps their flowering sexuality enraged him because it made him desire them–and from this he concluded that other men might desire them too and if he could not have them, no man could.
The blogs and the local Texas media (the Dallas Morning News) were all over this. Hot Air, Atlas Shrugs, Jihad Watch, were too. The only national coverage of this story was contained in the Washington Times. SEE HERE Why did the national and international media so far shy clear of this story? Perhaps they chose to dig deeper first or maybe they were waiting for an arrest to be made. But one also wonders: Were they afraid of being accused of “Islamophobia” if they reported the truth? Did they not want to use the word “Arab” or “Muslim” lest they be attacked as “racists”?
As of 4pm est on January 3rd, the mainstream media had still not covered this honor murder or the ongoing manhunt for the alleged killer–their father. Robert Stacey McCain of the Washington Times, just published a piece with some more details. Apparently, Amina and Sarah not only had “boyfriends,” their boyfriends were non-Muslims! They told their friends that their father was angry with them for “not acting like proper Muslim girls.”
Thus, these beautiful and now murdered sisters feared for their lives. They told people that their father was threatening them. Their own mother has now led police to the father as the probable murderer.
They could have been saved if a school or police official had been trained to pre-emptively recognize and rescue all such girls and women in danger of being killed by their families in honor killings.
NEWSFLASHES:
Earlier today, on January 3, 2008, the hardcopy edition of the New York Times carried a story about a presumably non-Muslim honor killing in Chicago, in which a father, Subhash Chander, killed his pregnant daughter, son-in-law and 3 year-old grandson “because he disapproved of his daughter’s marriage” to a lower-caste man. All the protagonists are from India or are of Indian origin. So far, I can find no coverage of the Texas honor killing by a Muslim father in the pages of the Paper of Record.
Yasser Abdul Said has now made the Most Wanted List. However, I am told that the police have described the murder as senseless, baffling, puzzling, etc.–as opposed to as an obvious, old-fashioned honor killing. Perhaps I’m wrong, but has anyone thought to look for him in a mosque?
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1. SAF:This is the same mentality that dresses 2 year olds in toy suicide bomber belts.
When we faced the Soviets in the cold war we had an adversary who loved their children more than killing us. Our new hot war is much scarier as it is clear Muslems don’t.
Jan 3, 2008 - 6:18 am 2. Caleb Easterwood:There is another article on this from the Fort Worth Star Telegram and Dallas Morning News. This culture is slowly creaping into our society and the media will be quite about it.
Links to Both Articles
Jan 3, 2008 - 10:32 am 3. George Jochnowitz:The New York Times is terrified that people will think it’s Jewish.
Jan 3, 2008 - 11:08 am 4. tanstaafl:Unbelievable, news of this monstrously dishonorable slaughter should be all over the American airwaves and in newspapers.
And I just learned about it here.
Jan 3, 2008 - 12:55 pm 5. Heather:“They could have been saved if a school or police official had been trained to pre-emptively recognize and rescue all such girls and women in danger of being killed by their families in honor killings.”
So, how can one put together a package that could be used by police, schools and hospitals? I should think that police forces would be most interested and ready to use such items. School are lumbered with PC fools. Hospitals? maybe.
Jan 3, 2008 - 2:01 pm 6. David Thomson:“Why did the national and international media so far shy clear of this story?”
This is because the incident involved dark skinned people. The politically correct MSM feels intimidated. Also, such news stories would help Republicans win elections. The Democratic Party “mainstream” has no effective way of dealing with these issues.
Please note that Pakistan is also off the front pages. Once again, this sort of reporting only helps Republicans and their conservative counterparts in other countries.
Jan 3, 2008 - 2:16 pm 7. tanstaafl:I don’t know what precautions might prevent a father like this from shooting his own daughters inside his own cab. Civil authorities would tell you their hands are tied in the absence of the overt, physical act itself.
As is likely true for the similar (and recent) dishonor killing in Toronto.
Or the Muslim daughter slain in Great Britain (the father, again, aided by “male relatives”, which is, apparently, often the case) or the Muslim girl killed in Italy whose father didn’t like the way she was dressing.
Hard as it is to imagine, I think the prevailing mindset within Muslim communities in “the west” is that these are internal, family matters and not the business of the civil authorities.
It certainly is the mindset in much of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and there (I believe) “the government” frequently agrees.
Jan 3, 2008 - 2:34 pm 8. surj1936:Heather,you are right, they could have been save, have we had the system, ie good Samaritan there vulnerable Muslim girls and women could go and talk to some one. Not only schools, Hospitals, but universities, civil authorities are all lumbered with PC fools, just to appease Muslims. All this honour killing comes from their Quran, I urge you Americans to get hold of Quran and read it or log on http://www.faithfreedom.org
Jan 3, 2008 - 4:21 pm 9. Jay:http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.islam-watch.org http://www.jihawatch.org http://www.copts.net
You Americans ought to wake up before it is too late.
I wonder what does it take to ban a particular religion or sect? I believe the U.S. has banned a few that are particularly violent. I suppose the sheer number of muslims in America make this impractical and political suicide to even suggest it. I wonder how high the death toll and social unrest have to go before it is even considered.
Jan 3, 2008 - 5:07 pm 10. jflynt:Another example of the peaceful ‘religion’ islam. Just remember this: allah is not god, islam is not another pathway to God, and islam is a death cult.
Jan 3, 2008 - 5:41 pm 11. Ahkmed:Why don’t you contact the New York Times or other papers and media outlets if you want this unpublicized so much. There are many murders that happen in this country and yet they are not reported. Just as a white kidnapping gets reported but not one from another nationality. Maybe you could use your time more efficiently by contacting the media rather than rant about it in your blog.
Jan 3, 2008 - 5:55 pm 12. Mark Ducharme:Well, N.O.W. hasn’t condemned this, so I guess it qualifies as a double late term abortion. Want to know something else? I’d bet my bank account that not one dem candidate for POTUS will make mention (or be asked about for that matter)of this crime against everything American and deeply, deeply anti-female attrocity. Not that it matters or anything.
Sadly, Rudy is the only guy on my side that might mention it but he’s a dead candidate running, and too afraid to say anything “risky”. Oh well, maybe after they rent out Tiger Stadium for some mass honor killings,(to be broadcast on Al-jazeera pay-per-view),then Joe Sixpack will finally perk up and say, “Hey, that aint right!”
Jan 3, 2008 - 7:39 pm 13. Husam:The chicago killer and the dallas killer are hostages of their rotten cultures, NOT religion. Even in the most strict islamic country, saudi Arabia, an unmarried person who commits adultery is punished by the whip, NOT murder. What the man did in dallas is not condoned by Islam, but it is in some Arab cultures. What the man did in Chicago is not condoned by his religion (Hundism), but it is by some indian culture. These crimes are cultural crimes, not religious.
Mixing religion and culture is a sign of ignorance on your part, or is there a hidden agenda you are trying to promote.
Jan 3, 2008 - 7:39 pm 14. Rubicon:Blogs, which is where free citizens in America have come to express their thoughts, have been the only place citizens can count on ALL of the news and not just the filtered news of the MSM.
Jan 3, 2008 - 8:57 pm 15. Mike H.:The MSM reports on all sorts of crimes & especially where they think they can assign blame to whites on others. Crime is crime regardless of who committed the crime or who the victim was. The color of one’s skin is irrelevant. The race is irrelevant. Only the crime is relevant.
Texans will hopefully be accorded full opportunity to try this man and hear all of the evidence. If he is convicted, one can only hope he receives his just reward.
Honor killings by ANY group are totally unacceptable conduct in a any society. The society that condones or gives a wink & nod to this despicable action, is as inhumane & despicable as the action.
If Dad did not like America or her ways, he should have taken his minor daughters & gone back to the old gwat nation he came here to escape! You cannot have it both ways. Either you live free, or you live in thrall to a government, despot, despotic religion, or all three. Free means free.
Feminists across America should be up in arms about this as they were about what turned out to be the false Duke University rape hoax.
Murder is as bad or worse a crime & deserves as much outrage if committed by Daddy in the name of religion or his supposed honor, or by a white man who takes advantage of a minority. I feel the feminist movement discredits itself when it remains silent about these acts but jump on a media whole hog bandwagon when the liberal left ideal of an oppressor commits a supposed crime!
Husam, “The chicago killer and the dallas killer are hostages of their rotten cultures, NOT religion.”
Contrary, the killers are part of a religion that has borrowed from their culture those parts of the culture which allow them to subjugate women. From the subjugation comes the discipline that allows murder. Think stoning.
Jan 3, 2008 - 10:04 pm 16. Mark Ducharme:Husam
Hey pal, they do it IN THE NAME OF YOUR RELIGION. If you don’t want your religion confused with these sick cultures (populated with hundreds of millions by the way, so don’t compare that to some obscure bunch of inbred “Christians” in the Ozarks or something), why don’t you organize a bunch of moderates such as yourself and go march on Mecca? Oh, that’s right, it’s because you’ll have your torso segregated from your head by an almost uncountable mob of devout muslims.
Tell me please, where is the judeo-christian culture that carrys’ out above described attrocities on a regular basis?
p.s. Do you think those girls would’ve felt better about the barrel that delivered their death sentence, had they known it was being aimed by a cultural zealot, rather than a religious one?
Jan 3, 2008 - 10:13 pm 17. TxRiss:Hopefully they were “Americanized” enough to pray for Jesuses mercy. But then,I don’t recall Nick Berg being given a chance to make his peace before they sent him to his maker.
Thank you for writing this article and pointing out the disgraceful lack of national coverage that this has gotten. Where is Christianne Amanpour, now? These weren’t God’s Warrior’s. They were merely God’s children subjugated to a life under one of earth’s monsters. If the religion is what they say it is, then he will not be harbored as the imams should instruct the faithful to play no party to this man’s alleged guilt.
Jan 3, 2008 - 10:21 pm 18. Warren:I’m sure he is being helped by people in his community. Here is a similiar incident that happened in Scottsville a small town near Rochester N.Y.
Honor Killing 3 Years Still No Trial.
Background
After Ismail Peltek was found incompetent in 2005, he was held for treatment at Rochester Psychiatric Center. He was transferred to Monroe County Jail, where he remains, after being ruled competent in June.
Insanity plea to be considered for man charged in wife’s death.
(December 8, 2007) — A resolution is being considered in the criminal case of a Scottsville man who has been in and out of a psychiatric center since he was charged with killing his wife three years ago.
The prosecution and defense will meet to discuss whether Ismail Peltek, 45, can plead not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect in the death of 39-year-old Hatice Peltek in their home on April 15, 2004.
In a brief court appearance Friday, Monroe County Court Judge John J. Connell told both sides to return Dec. 21 to offer him details of a potential plea. Connell would then have to consider whether to accept it.
If Peltek pleads not guilty by reason of mental disease, he would be held in a psychiatric facility until he’s found not to be a danger to himself or others. He could be held the rest of his life.
Peltek is charged with second-degree murder for allegedly killing his wife with a knife and a hammer and bludgeoning two daughters with a hammer.
He allegedly told sheriff’s investigators that he attacked his family to restore lost honor.
He was found mentally incompetent in 2005 but responded to treatment and was ruled competent in June, which allowed the criminal case to proceed.
The question, however, is whether Peltek understood at the time of the attacks that what he allegedly did was wrong, said Assistant District Attorney Douglas A. Randall.
If Peltek went to trial and was found guilty of murder, he could be imprisoned for 25 years to life.
But the defense would likely claim that he was insane at the time of the slaying.
If jurors accepted that defense, he would be found not guilty by reason of mental disease — the same finding being considered now.
Jan 3, 2008 - 10:44 pm 19. H. Torrance Griffin:I have to concur with Husam. We get word of the abnormal lunatics most muslims think are overcontrolling muscleheads and take that as normalcy. Meanwhile all the spousal and child abuse done in the name of keeping a Christian Household are the acts of freaks even when they scream chapter and verse from the Bible as they kick thier womenfolk to death for defiance.
Put the guy under the jail, please. However do not presume opposition to such entails apostacy.
HTG
Jan 4, 2008 - 1:52 am 20. H. Torrance Griffin:Just FYI, according to a Syrian (female) aquaintance, “Honor Killings” are indeed concentrated in the backwoods among the ignorant hillbillies of the Arab world, save in places that have fallen into flat-out Anarchy. Muslim governments and NGOs are fighting these practices tooth and nail.
HTG
Jan 4, 2008 - 2:01 am 21. Mark Ducharme:H. Torrance Griffin,
Hey thanks for straightening me out there buddy. I’m so relieved to know that, apparently, the thousands of people slaughtered every year at the hands of muslim extremests, are just victims of “Arab hillbillies”, AND, the MSM is,in a massive conspiracy to protect “Freaks (who run) Christian Households”, deep-sixing the truth about the real abuse of women and children going on out there.
Not to worry though, I’m sure 60 minutes has Morely Safer on the story even as we click-clack away at each other.
Night everyone. Be sure to check your friends and dance partners for the number of the beast…Here comes the apocalypse…I’m just preparin’ for the apocalypse…Where’s that confounded apocalypse!?!
Jan 4, 2008 - 3:22 am 22. J. K. Gayle:10pm Dallas / Fort Worth local tv news (ABC, CBS, NBC affiliates) coverage on Jan 3, 08:
Friends and family mourn and remember Amina and Sarah Said.
Abdul Said is still on the run, armed and dangerous.
STILL NO mention of the M-word, as in what sexist extremist religious ideology this alleged murderer-father might be motivated by.
Jan 4, 2008 - 10:42 am 23. Michael Canzano:These “Honor Killings and Clitoris Mutilization” are further proof that …”An addition of Muslims to a Nation is a subtraction in civilization.”
Jan 4, 2008 - 10:48 am 24. Philip Saenz:The non coverage of these stories is further proof the liberal media will report negative stories on all religions but Islam.
The biggest disaster of 9-11 is Americans seem to have forgotten to what extent Islam hates us. They will do anything to destroy Infidels. When the mushroom cloud looms over a major American or European city our apathy will be burned and transformed to 9-12 awareness.
American Infidel
Michael Canzano
The truth remains that if the father Abdul Said had been a Christian, and not a Muslim of the “Religion of Peace,” he would not have murdered his beautiful two daughters. If you Muslims think there is no connection of Islam and these two atrocious murders, you are being silly.
Jan 4, 2008 - 11:27 am 25. momen ariky:Salam,
I don’t know how can I write about my feelings this moment just when I read your amizing article??!!,really,I am so sorry for this events especially to two girls’ mother and friends .
And I’m…,absolately your words shock me .
shot,killing and disapproval these words aren’t mine as an arab man .
thanX
Jan 4, 2008 - 11:54 am 26. RE:Momen Ariky
Sana’a
YEMEN
To al the multi-culti advocates out there – Congrats on your acheivement! It’s a different culture all right.
We’re now seeing honor killing is the UK, Canada, Australia, and the USA. There’s no excuse for ‘honor killing’ in the West. There’s no place for Islamic culture in the West. There are simply too many centuries of difference between the two.
Jan 4, 2008 - 1:56 pm 27. TopAssistant:This is another example of the PEACEFUL religion, Islam. If the U.S. government does not start ridding ourselves of thse types of people it will consume us. Get rid of CAIR and a lot of our challenges will stop!
Jan 4, 2008 - 5:37 pm 28. Philip Saenz:It is un-Islamic for pretty Muslim girls to wear western clothes. It is very Islamic for a Muslim father to murder his daughters for wearing western clothes.
Jan 4, 2008 - 8:49 pm 29. Stephanie:Fox News has published an article about this on their website, but the information released to us seems to imply that if anything, religion had nothing to do with this killing (also according to the victims’ brother). Funny, if religion and culture had nothing to do with such a violent act, why in the world is their poor mother in hiding? A spokesperson for the local police will not comment on the motive, only to say that there were domestic problems in the home. A truly PC statement if I ever heard one.
Because so many are afraid to discuss the truth about these “honor killings”, it will only continue to bleed out into our American cities and towns, and the cowardice of our local leaders will help foster the crimes they wish to prevent.
God bless those girls and thankfully,they were given a proper service and had wonderful friends to honor and remember them always.
Jan 4, 2008 - 10:01 pm 30. Mark Ducharme:A woman claiming to be the one who found them bleeding to death in their “fathers” cab called the medved show the other day. Say a prayer for her too. These types of attrocities have all kinds of collateral victims.
Jan 4, 2008 - 11:33 pm 31. rusty:they haven’t even found the father, therefore they know neither the motives of the killings nor the killer himself. though we can point fingers and make accusations, the only thing we know for sure is that two young women are dead. i believe this article is nonsense, and only gives you idiots a reason to spite muslims. you jerks are pathetic, especially the author. i am truly ashamed of the quick-to-judge author giving extremely bias news to ignorant people. disgusting.
Jan 5, 2008 - 2:16 am 32. Suzanna:To Stephanie
The more likely reason for FoxNews avoidance and/or limitation in news reporting on crimes perpetrated by Moslems as is the case with many news sources which feed info into America are the investors holding controlling stock and thereby say over what is made public and what not! Ignored or misrepresented to the American public. In the case of FOXNEWS, its major stock holder is a Saudi prince whose telephone call to Rupert Murdoch on any news displeasing to the kingom effectively blocks such news deemed offensive to Islam and Islamic interests.
Stockholders of major news feed organizations such as Reuters (situated on TIMES SQUARE in the Saudi owned building)have been and continue being used as major propaganda conduits against the Jewish State. What determines and who determines what is news worthy is as is true for all mega corporate interests – money!
Enjoined with political strategies the effects has well influenced the State of our country – if not the world.
Jan 5, 2008 - 2:25 am 33. coldjoint:when is america going to wake up to islam and recognize it as a terrorist org. a religion that condones any kind of killing should be outlawed. it is that simple and america knows it.
Jan 5, 2008 - 2:37 am 34. Zuber:Wow this topic picked up quite a bit of exchange.
Jan 5, 2008 - 2:45 am 35. RE:The ill educated individuals who chose to impose after its too late, if they feel so honorable they should have known how to preach to their children the culture & faith, and not assume it to be “Honor Killing.”
Killing another human is the most dishonorable thing one can do, after all the Islamic teachings state that:
Killing of one human is equal to eliminating entire humanity, but if the dishonored father who is suspected to be the murderer knew his faith, alas he did not or he would not have committed such an evil act.
First they don’t know enough about the faith themselves then they impose it on their off-springs once its too late.
If they care so much about the basic principles then they should take their time to preach at the right time early on, but nothing I mean NOTHING justifies such cold blooded murders. Its a SHAMEFUL act in plain words be it a Muslim or Non-Muslim.
Philip Saenz comments compare & sum say it so eloquently.
May God Almighty bless such protectors of honor with enhanced knowledge so they can uphold the honor of the principles of their faith.
No real faith promotes and endorses the reason for killing another soul.
I am one of those ‘jumping to conclusions’ in labeling this another ‘honor killing’. The trend is there. Violence against women (and anyone else who doesn’t follow the words of the alleged ‘prophet’) is sanctioned in the Koran.
Yes, the judicial system will sort out the motive behind these specific killings. Perhaps it wasn’t a textbook honor killing, but Islam remains Islam and everywhere you see Islam interfacing with the west you see bloodshed and efforts to stifle individual liberty and freedom.
Enough is enough. If I am going to err, it is on the side of recognizing Islam for the evil that it is.
Jan 5, 2008 - 8:52 am 36. tanstaafl:We should avoid generalizations like “violence against women sanctioned in the Koran”.
Mohammed had all those women to control, especially after his first wife and financial benefactress Khadijah (15 years his senior) died and he branched out.
As I vaguely recall, if your wife is bugging you, you first go sleep in another room (or maybe show favor to another wife and ignore the complaining one). Then, you can lightly strike her or something.
This was Mohammed’s wife control system which was (helpfully enough) enabled by communications from the Angel Gabriel.
Within the constraints of his cosmology laid out in the Koran, there’s nothing about slaughtering females in your household who displease you.
Is there ? Maybe there’s something in shari’a or Hadiths, long after the Koran.
It’s missing the point to say Islam per se is evil.
And look at the Bible’s Samuel 13:3 advice from “The Lord”:
Now go and smite Am’alek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
While it is true that within the culture of Muslims, “family matters” aren’t considered the business of outside authorities, no sane and rational father of any religion on Earth dishonorably slaughters his own daughters.
Jan 5, 2008 - 11:00 am 37. Philip Saenz:Dear nice Muslims, I know you are out there because I have met some of you. I have studied Islam on and off since 9/11 and I can now see that the nice “Muslims” are not real Muslims. You are just nice people, who are not emulating Muhammad at all. Read all the atrocities that Muhammad committed, and you will see that you are not at all like the “prophet” Muhammad. Read the Muslim historical documents, and you’ll see that you’re not following them. Are you nice Muslims polygamists? You are not. Would you have owned concubines and have sex with them? If you are a good Muslim, you would not. Would you marry a six year old little girl? Would you have sex with her at the age of nine? You would not. Would you own slaves? You would not. Would you murder whole tribes of Jews, rape their wives, and forcefully conscript young boys into your army? You would not. Muhammad did all these evil things, and committed other evils. Do you think it’s okay to lie? No you don’t. The Muslim Taqiyya teaches that it’s okay to lie in order to advance Islam. Allah and Muhammad taught belligerency against humanity. Since you are not real Muslims, why not call yourselves something else? Believe me when I say that many so-called Muslims are more like the meek and mild Jesus Christ than like the evil Muhammad. Since you are more like Jesus, why not study more about Him, and then call yourselves Christian? Myself, I’m a Catholic. I’m sorry to say, but you’ll never change the historical documents of Islam, no more than you can change the rules of the mafia. Once you are in the mafia, you cannot leave. They will kill you if you leave. It’s the same way in Islam. If you try to leave Islam, they will kill you if they can. So, dear nice Muslims, be very careful if you leave Islam, a religion that you never really adhered to since you are nice. Leaving Islam is dangerous, of different degrees, according to the strength of Islam in different countries. Good luck.
Jan 5, 2008 - 11:03 am 38. tanstaafl:I mis-cited the biblical passage.
It’s Samuel 15:3.
Either way, I don’t think words in any book can cause irrational behavior or even serve as justification or rationalization for said behavior.
No matter how Osama bin laden, al Zawahiri and their worshipers (and there are many around the world) would have it.
Both the Bible and the Koran are far more reflective of their respective historical eras than they are of enlightened thinking.
Jan 5, 2008 - 1:23 pm 39. jimmy b.:the british in colonial India inquired why they threw the living wife of the dead husband onto his funeral pyre they replied ti was their custom to which the british replied that it was their custom to hang anyone covicted of doing so. the Indian custom soon stopped.honor killings in west will never stop.
Jan 5, 2008 - 6:34 pm 40. Mark Ducharme:“Dear nice muslims…”
I love it! Philip Saenz nailed it. The thread is complete.
Jan 6, 2008 - 2:31 am 41. tito:Wow! This does compute. I just can’t get my mind around this. How do you go about doing this? Incredible, incredible. Life snuffed out, on a whim. And to some of the folks hear that have a beligerent tone toward to this persons blog…sounding as if in defense is just…..mind boggling. Murders sanctioned on grounds of…fairy tales really. These folks and their dark age macabre fairy tales…somehow justifies this.
Jan 6, 2008 - 3:44 am 42. Dandapani:If you dig deeper, the killing in Chicago by the Hindu man wasn’t an honor killing. He made up that story at booking. The family is saying that everyone, including the father, was happy about the wedding. The father was an abusive drunk and exhorted money from the son-in-law and apparently set the apartment on fire in retaliation over some dispute. The MSM once again, is filtering the story to try and dilute the “Muslim honor killing” story line.
Jan 6, 2008 - 8:16 am 43. Darrell:tanstaaf,
It hardly matters which biblical passage you cite.
Muslims kill, frequently — daily! — in the name of Islam, based on their interpretation of their holy book. Whether one scholar or another thinks they are right or wrong is utterly irrelevant. THEY believe that they are acting properly, and as instructed.
Christians do not kill in the name of their God, even when they feel their God has been blasphemed. They do not riot and burn and kill when offended. An enormous number of Muslims do. If it makes you feel better to pretend otherwise, be my guest. Anybody who can read knows otherwise.
I have no use for any religion, but I would rather live next to an offended Christian than an offended Muslim. The odds of survival are much greater.
Jan 6, 2008 - 11:38 pm 44. tanstaafl:My point, Darrell, is that there are bellicose or blood thirsty passages in the Bible as well as the Koran.
Where, on the one hand, Allah, and on the other, The Lord, recommend mass slaughter of a group or groups of human beings.
Absurd on its face, no matter from where the passages.
As an aside, did you know that ideas in the Koran borrow heavily from the Old Testament ?
Ironic as hell.
Muslims kill, frequently — daily! — in the name of Islam, based on their interpretation of their holy book…THEY believe that they are acting properly, and as instructed.
I disagree with your last statement and don’t think you can project that Muslims, in fact, believe they are acting properly in killing infidels or in killing other Muslims (for example, Shi’a, whom Sunni Muslims also purport to consider to be infidels).
I think the 14 century old passages in the Koran might have served Mohammed and have no applicability to the 20th or 21st century.
And that any individual using or believing those passages is either extremely brainwashed or has himself a political agenda served by those selected 1400 year old words.
Jan 7, 2008 - 9:30 am 45. Larry J:Should the father be captured alive, it wouldn’t surprise me if someone tries to make the point that “honor killings” are a part of his culture and we should respect that. Unfortunately for him, the murders took place in Texas, where a part of the local culture is to strap murderers down and administer lethal chemicals into their bloodstream until they are dead. Let that be the message to would be “honor killers” – do it and we will kill you.
Jan 7, 2008 - 9:55 am 46. Silly Allah:Islam demeans women, demands female subservience, and requires an inhuman amount of self-restraint when it comes to social propriety. If a woman is disloyal, you are commanded to beat her, and the Hadith has examples of men going too far without issue from Mohd. In general, Mohd and his Koran did not have much problem with violence against women nor the repercussions of being disloyal to husband, family or Allah.
Some quotes:
4:34 Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
“Narrated Ikrima: ‘Rifaa divorced his wife whereupon Abdur-Rahman married her. Aisha said that the lady came wearing a green veil and complained to her (Aisha) and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by the beating. It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s messenger came, Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes! When Abdur-Rahman heard that his wife had gone to the prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, “By Allah! I have done no wrong to him, but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this,” holding and showing the fringe of her garment. Abdur-Rahman said, “By Allah, O Allah’s messenger! She has told a lie. I am very strong and can satisfy her, but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifaa.” Allah’s messenger said to her, “If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifaa unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you.” The prophet saw two boys with Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), “Are these your sons?” On that Abdur-Rahman said, “Yes.” The prophet said, “You claim what you claim (that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow.”"
Notice that the believing women suffer more than the rest. They get green bruises, but the prophet is ok with it.
Jan 7, 2008 - 6:03 pm 47. Ken:If this were a Christian father, who killed his daughters for not following his faith in the way he wanted, this would be wall to wall.
Jan 7, 2008 - 11:05 pm 48. john:Not too long ago in Philly a father killed his 17 month old in a fit of rage. God bless the child. It must have been cause the father was muslim, oh wait it wasnt, it was over a video game. Listen up fellas, there are numerous cases of parents killing kids for a variety of reasons, most dont make it to the national news.
Jan 8, 2008 - 12:01 am 49. Jake in Los Angeles:Another trial and sentence without any evidence to support amd build hatred towards Muslims.
Jan 8, 2008 - 9:22 pm 50. Aaron Dial:I believe most parents feel the same way about their children as I do about mine. This story underscores how dangerous an enemy Western Civilization faces.
Jan 9, 2008 - 10:56 am 51. tanstaafl:Another trial and sentence without any evidence to support and build hatred towards Muslims.
The dad’s in hiding.
Regardless of the “facts” of this particular despicable and vulgar act, the “right” of a parent to kill his own children (usually, daughters and often assisted by male relatives) is rather too common throughout the world within the Muslim culture.
Jan 9, 2008 - 2:36 pm 52. Aziz Tayyab:In my opinion,when one immigrates to a country,one gives implied consent to the lifestyle of people of that country.
Jan 9, 2008 - 4:48 pm 53. Pajamas Media » Honoring Abstinence vs. Honor Killings:unfortunately,due to the nature of the beast that is Islam, muslims are
more ignorant and illtolerant than
most people of other religions.
http://aziztayyab.info
[...] Dallas shot his two teenage daughters because he disapproved of their Western lifestyles. Chesler writes that “perhaps their flowering sexuality enraged him because it made him desire them — and [...]
Jun 18, 2008 - 9:18 am 54. Chesler Chronicles » American Woman, Arab Man: Tales of Horror in the Harem:[...] murderer, Yasir Said, of Dallas, Texas. I have written about this case for PJM many times. See HERE and HERE for [...]
Jun 20, 2008 - 11:09 am 55. zola:Thanks, Another example of how men blame women for their own shortcomings…in psychology it’s called projection. Men in general and most religions teach females to be subservient to men. These systems maintain a fear over girls and women with threats of harm, rape or death, for the sole purpose of keeping them in perpetual slavery and treating them like possessions.
Jul 7, 2008 - 11:20 am 56. p:What else would you expect from savages that follow a “religion” founded by a mass murdering serial rapist peadophile thief warlord psychopath and almost certainly psychotic?
Jul 16, 2008 - 9:18 pm 57. Lena:It’s very important to educate the public that honor killings is CULTRAL, and not from Islam. This cultural honor crap which falls on the women in an Arab family has nothing to do with Islam and cannot be found anywhere in the Quran or Islamic teachings. But, as is the case with many Arab cultures, they perverted the religion, and now say it is from Islam. The Arab culture (and mostly North African cultures) have some crazy, bizarre beliefs about women which are just within those cultures.
Jul 25, 2008 - 2:41 pm 58. Roxana:I hope they find the father and give him the death penalty. That’s if they find the father.
Aug 2, 2008 - 9:20 am 59. Are Your Participles Dangling? |:[...] got floods.We’ve got fires.We’ve got honor killings in Missouri, Ohio, New Jersey, New York, Texas and probably even more that I don’t know [...]
Aug 8, 2008 - 2:44 pm 60. Mary:The opening thread read, “No place for honor killing in the West.” I beg to differ, “There is no place for dishonor killings in any part of the civilized world!
Aug 10, 2008 - 7:35 pm 61. Chesler Chronicles » Another Kind of Terrorism: An Honor Killer On The FBI’s Most Wanted List:[...] written about this case many times over the last nine months. Said is the human monster who killed his own two daughters, [...]
Oct 6, 2008 - 11:55 am 62. Chesler Chronicles » Is Yaser Said a Typical Honor Killer or a Sick Man? Stay Tuned to Fox-TV.:[...] my readers know, I have written many articles about this case. You will find them HERE, HERE, HERE, and HERE. The FBI featured Papa Said on their Ten Most Wanted List; for about ten [...]
Nov 20, 2008 - 1:51 pm 63. Can’t Happen Here? Think Again « Grand Rants:[...] Texas, 2008:
Feb 17, 2009 - 2:18 pm 64. Pauline:Has anyone tracked how many Muslim men kill “their” women, (sisters, wives and daughters) here in the USA every year? Or even in the last year or two?
It is hard to track since it isn’t reported!!! I would like to know.
This much I DO know..if Catholic “extremists” were calling for the killing of innocent people in the name of God, if Catholics were killing their women because they shamed them, if Catholics had run into our Towers on 9/11, blown up train tracks in Spain and been responsible for virtually every act of Terrorism in the last 30 years, if Catholics were blowing up innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan and enslaving Muslims in Africa, if Catholic Bishops were carefully detailing what was allowable under the New Testament for “punishment”, including loss of limbs, beheadings, flogging and rape….well, I suspect there would be a nationwide nonstop reporting frenzy and outcry until Catholics put a stop to it, wouldn’t there?
Nov 6, 2009 - 8:26 am