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		<title>By: Neil MacFarquhar on Muslim Homeschooling &#171; Homeschooling Research Notes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil MacFarquhar on Muslim Homeschooling &#171; Homeschooling Research Notes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] make Muslim homeschoolers look insular and sexist.  Others see this articles as part of a subtle pro-Islamist conspiracy at the New York Times.  My own interest, however, is to place the phenomenon of Muslim [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] make Muslim homeschoolers look insular and sexist.  Others see this articles as part of a subtle pro-Islamist conspiracy at the New York Times.  My own interest, however, is to place the phenomenon of Muslim [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Kobrin, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Kobrin, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides the fact that the nyt repeatedly fails to give an accurate picture of the Middle East and what is going on within Muslim communities in the US, Europe and else where, there is the pressing need to monitor home schooling as well as when girls &quot;disappear&quot; from school as in the UK.

Charter schools need to be monitored as well because according to all the Muslim women memoirs such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Waris Dhirie, Nonie Darwish etc. the kids are fed a steady diet of anti-Semitism. This is never discussed in mainstream media. Just as Memri has shown that Palestinian and Saudi textbooks are filled with such vile content, one can imagine what is being taught here in our own backyard. It&#039;s a form of child abuse to brainwashing children with the need to hate. It is a human rights issue. The teachers should be prosecuted as such.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides the fact that the nyt repeatedly fails to give an accurate picture of the Middle East and what is going on within Muslim communities in the US, Europe and else where, there is the pressing need to monitor home schooling as well as when girls &#8220;disappear&#8221; from school as in the UK.</p>
<p>Charter schools need to be monitored as well because according to all the Muslim women memoirs such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Waris Dhirie, Nonie Darwish etc. the kids are fed a steady diet of anti-Semitism. This is never discussed in mainstream media. Just as Memri has shown that Palestinian and Saudi textbooks are filled with such vile content, one can imagine what is being taught here in our own backyard. It&#8217;s a form of child abuse to brainwashing children with the need to hate. It is a human rights issue. The teachers should be prosecuted as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Kobrin, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Kobrin, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides the fact that the nyt repeatedly fails to give an accurate picture of the Middle East and what is going on within Muslim communities in the US, Europe and else where, there is the pressing need to monitor home schooling as well as when girls &quot;disappear&quot; from school as in the UK.

Charter schools need to be monitored as well because according to all the Muslim women memoirs such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Waris Dhirie, Nonie Darwish etc. the kids are fed a steady diet of anti-Semitism. This is never discussed in mainstream media. Just as Memri has shown that Palestinian and Saudi textbooks are filled with such vile content, one can imagine what is being taught here in our own backyard. It&#039;s a form of child abuse to brainwashing children with the need to hate. It is a human rights issue. The teachers should be prosecuted as such.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides the fact that the nyt repeatedly fails to give an accurate picture of the Middle East and what is going on within Muslim communities in the US, Europe and else where, there is the pressing need to monitor home schooling as well as when girls &#8220;disappear&#8221; from school as in the UK.</p>
<p>Charter schools need to be monitored as well because according to all the Muslim women memoirs such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Waris Dhirie, Nonie Darwish etc. the kids are fed a steady diet of anti-Semitism. This is never discussed in mainstream media. Just as Memri has shown that Palestinian and Saudi textbooks are filled with such vile content, one can imagine what is being taught here in our own backyard. It&#8217;s a form of child abuse to brainwashing children with the need to hate. It is a human rights issue. The teachers should be prosecuted as such.</p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s like &#039;human rights&#039; originally propounded to stop violent racist speech, and now being used to silence anti-Islamic discussions....  and homeschooling, used by many/most to give their children a better education than that offered in public schools..  and now used to ensure that Islamist mindset is preserved in the USA.  Jewish and Christian schools are one thing, but Islamist ones are quite another.  Islam is DIFFERENT, my friends, inimical to everything the West holds dear (and takes for granted, I might add).

My real problem is that this spreading islamism will affect the standing of my own female descendents.  Women fought hard for legal and social rights, and from what I can see, those are being  given up by today&#039;s multicultural leaders.

Pajamasmedia&#039;s Jacobsen&#039;s story of Harvard and its sex-segregated gyms   (given the huge &#039;donations&#039; from the UAE and Saudis, should we be surprised??) is not peculiar to America&#039;s &quot;greatest&quot; university.  Segregation of public facilities is being imposed officially and unofficially in Australia and Europe.

A columnist in Canada is blowing this whole thing off as low-level gangsterism, easily dealt with by our police.  The Brits have accepted this analysis, and are turning Britain into Orwell&#039;s Big Brother society with thousands of security cameras and huge increases in its secret services.  It is not a pretty picture.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s like &#8216;human rights&#8217; originally propounded to stop violent racist speech, and now being used to silence anti-Islamic discussions&#8230;.  and homeschooling, used by many/most to give their children a better education than that offered in public schools..  and now used to ensure that Islamist mindset is preserved in the USA.  Jewish and Christian schools are one thing, but Islamist ones are quite another.  Islam is DIFFERENT, my friends, inimical to everything the West holds dear (and takes for granted, I might add).</p>
<p>My real problem is that this spreading islamism will affect the standing of my own female descendents.  Women fought hard for legal and social rights, and from what I can see, those are being  given up by today&#8217;s multicultural leaders.</p>
<p>Pajamasmedia&#8217;s Jacobsen&#8217;s story of Harvard and its sex-segregated gyms   (given the huge &#8216;donations&#8217; from the UAE and Saudis, should we be surprised??) is not peculiar to America&#8217;s &#8220;greatest&#8221; university.  Segregation of public facilities is being imposed officially and unofficially in Australia and Europe.</p>
<p>A columnist in Canada is blowing this whole thing off as low-level gangsterism, easily dealt with by our police.  The Brits have accepted this analysis, and are turning Britain into Orwell&#8217;s Big Brother society with thousands of security cameras and huge increases in its secret services.  It is not a pretty picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is, why in the world are they living in a country with cultural and moral issues so evil and sickening? Oh wait, I forgot, those educational opportunities that seem to only be available to their sons. Do as I say, not as I do.

These poor girls are being groomed for slavery and future sexual labor for ignorant cousins in third world conditions. No matter how the Times spins this, they still couldn&#039;t hide the fact these choices are being made by those looking to make a profit from the females in their family.

The attempt to &quot;soften the blow&quot; for a new wave of immigrants will not happen from merely staring at a smiling face in hijab, no matter how happy she looks. We know the score, and unfortunately, Muslim women are currently on the losing end. Until women are given their liberty, no American worth their salt will read this propaganda and turn a blind eye. At least this one won&#039;t.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is, why in the world are they living in a country with cultural and moral issues so evil and sickening? Oh wait, I forgot, those educational opportunities that seem to only be available to their sons. Do as I say, not as I do.</p>
<p>These poor girls are being groomed for slavery and future sexual labor for ignorant cousins in third world conditions. No matter how the Times spins this, they still couldn&#8217;t hide the fact these choices are being made by those looking to make a profit from the females in their family.</p>
<p>The attempt to &#8220;soften the blow&#8221; for a new wave of immigrants will not happen from merely staring at a smiling face in hijab, no matter how happy she looks. We know the score, and unfortunately, Muslim women are currently on the losing end. Until women are given their liberty, no American worth their salt will read this propaganda and turn a blind eye. At least this one won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Santacroce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Santacroce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, we can&#039;t wait. Home schooling is done with both sexes, remember, and while moslem girls may be in the process of being rendered culturally and functionally illiterate through home &quot;schooling,&quot; moslem boys may well be learning how to fly more planes into buildings or how to commit the &quot;perfect&quot; honor murder, in between memorizing verses from the koran. I&#039;ve seen home schooling in my own area work so well that the daughter of some friends is, at 23, going for her Phd in nursing; I&#039;ve also heard horror stories about kids who can recite memory verses &#039;til the cows come home, but can&#039;t read or write. It&#039;s not the IDEA of home schooling that bothers me, but what some of these kids may be taught that&#039;s downright scary.

What to do about this? Well, for openers, how about a national standard for home schooling, one that requires periodic, independently-administered tests designed to measure whether home-schooled children are really being schooled in the accepted sense of the word? With such a system in place, it should be fairly easy to figure out who is learning reading, writing and &#039;rithmatic and who is being taught to destroy America in the name of muhammad (piss be upon him).

Second, I don&#039;t think we&#039;d have any problem removing kids from a home where their parents sent them to a school, or home schooled them to a curriculum which taught hatred and killing of  blacks or Jews (think of a &quot;school&quot; run by the Klan or the Aryan Nation), even if that school or schooling operated under the guise of a religion. Since the very nature and teaching of islam is to hate and kill the enemy infidel -- i.e. anyone who is not a moslem -- why are we, as a nation, allowing these kids to remain in abusive home environments? Why not remove them?

And if they don&#039;t want their kids to be &quot;corrupted by American influences,&quot; why not move to Saudi Arabia or Iran? Why allow us to &quot;infect&quot; them? Because, as Phyllis points out, they&#039;re people on a mission; they are here to soften us up for the kill. They&#039;ve succeeded so well at this, in fact, that we allow stories like the one in the New York Times to be run almost (if not for Phyllis) without comment, to wash over us, almost beatifically and benignly. How many of us looked at those Vermeer-like photos (how hotly I resent using the style of my favorite artist to promote this travesty!), so artfully constructed to portray terrorists-in-the-making as normal American immigrant girls, and thought, &quot;Aw...how cute.&quot; Yes, until she yanks her robe open and we see the bomb strapped to her torso and her hand on the trigger.

Meanwhile, America stands by and does nothing. How many continue to ignore the fact that the DC police protect Arab embassies with almost as much zeal as they do the White House, that attempts at Arab-American &quot;friendship&quot; always seem to involve a &quot;confession&quot; of America&#039;s “decadence” and “guilt” (what’s more decadent: a woman wearing a short skirt with a halter top, or a teen-aged girl who’s been hacked to death because she didn’t want to marry the 60 year-old “friend of the family” that her father has sold her to?), that -- for some time -- the biggest contributor to NPR (National Palestinian Radio) was the government of Saudi Arabia? They keep doing these things, in part, because we never seem to protest. To them, our silence indicates, not only our agreement, but our acceptance of the death sentence they’ve imposed on us and our culture (which, warts and all, is better than theirs).

Wasn&#039;t there once a law providing for the expulsion of any immigrant who advocated the overthrown of the US? Is it still on the books? How about the one that allows us to deport alien lawbreakers? Oh, argue some; they might be killed if we send them back! Oh, I argue back; WE -- or their children -- will be killed if they&#039;re allowed to remain.

Of course, expelling Moslems from the US wouldn’t solve the whole problem. They could still mount an attack from overseas, and they would certainly continue to mutilate and honor murder their women, execute their gays, and kills shi’as (if they’re Sunis) Sunis (if they’re shi’as), Kurds, and anyone else who’s not exactly like them. And, if we’re really interested in freeing the oppressed, we should continue to fight them at every opportunity. But, let’s protect our country and our people first. If we can’t put them all on a ship bound for Saudi Arabia, let’s at least start by making sure their idea of home schooling doesn’t involve lessons in slavery, bomb-making and murder.

Hang together, or be honor-murdered separately.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, we can&#8217;t wait. Home schooling is done with both sexes, remember, and while moslem girls may be in the process of being rendered culturally and functionally illiterate through home &#8220;schooling,&#8221; moslem boys may well be learning how to fly more planes into buildings or how to commit the &#8220;perfect&#8221; honor murder, in between memorizing verses from the koran. I&#8217;ve seen home schooling in my own area work so well that the daughter of some friends is, at 23, going for her Phd in nursing; I&#8217;ve also heard horror stories about kids who can recite memory verses &#8217;til the cows come home, but can&#8217;t read or write. It&#8217;s not the IDEA of home schooling that bothers me, but what some of these kids may be taught that&#8217;s downright scary.</p>
<p>What to do about this? Well, for openers, how about a national standard for home schooling, one that requires periodic, independently-administered tests designed to measure whether home-schooled children are really being schooled in the accepted sense of the word? With such a system in place, it should be fairly easy to figure out who is learning reading, writing and &#8216;rithmatic and who is being taught to destroy America in the name of muhammad (piss be upon him).</p>
<p>Second, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;d have any problem removing kids from a home where their parents sent them to a school, or home schooled them to a curriculum which taught hatred and killing of  blacks or Jews (think of a &#8220;school&#8221; run by the Klan or the Aryan Nation), even if that school or schooling operated under the guise of a religion. Since the very nature and teaching of islam is to hate and kill the enemy infidel &#8212; i.e. anyone who is not a moslem &#8212; why are we, as a nation, allowing these kids to remain in abusive home environments? Why not remove them?</p>
<p>And if they don&#8217;t want their kids to be &#8220;corrupted by American influences,&#8221; why not move to Saudi Arabia or Iran? Why allow us to &#8220;infect&#8221; them? Because, as Phyllis points out, they&#8217;re people on a mission; they are here to soften us up for the kill. They&#8217;ve succeeded so well at this, in fact, that we allow stories like the one in the New York Times to be run almost (if not for Phyllis) without comment, to wash over us, almost beatifically and benignly. How many of us looked at those Vermeer-like photos (how hotly I resent using the style of my favorite artist to promote this travesty!), so artfully constructed to portray terrorists-in-the-making as normal American immigrant girls, and thought, &#8220;Aw&#8230;how cute.&#8221; Yes, until she yanks her robe open and we see the bomb strapped to her torso and her hand on the trigger.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, America stands by and does nothing. How many continue to ignore the fact that the DC police protect Arab embassies with almost as much zeal as they do the White House, that attempts at Arab-American &#8220;friendship&#8221; always seem to involve a &#8220;confession&#8221; of America&#8217;s “decadence” and “guilt” (what’s more decadent: a woman wearing a short skirt with a halter top, or a teen-aged girl who’s been hacked to death because she didn’t want to marry the 60 year-old “friend of the family” that her father has sold her to?), that &#8212; for some time &#8212; the biggest contributor to NPR (National Palestinian Radio) was the government of Saudi Arabia? They keep doing these things, in part, because we never seem to protest. To them, our silence indicates, not only our agreement, but our acceptance of the death sentence they’ve imposed on us and our culture (which, warts and all, is better than theirs).</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t there once a law providing for the expulsion of any immigrant who advocated the overthrown of the US? Is it still on the books? How about the one that allows us to deport alien lawbreakers? Oh, argue some; they might be killed if we send them back! Oh, I argue back; WE &#8212; or their children &#8212; will be killed if they&#8217;re allowed to remain.</p>
<p>Of course, expelling Moslems from the US wouldn’t solve the whole problem. They could still mount an attack from overseas, and they would certainly continue to mutilate and honor murder their women, execute their gays, and kills shi’as (if they’re Sunis) Sunis (if they’re shi’as), Kurds, and anyone else who’s not exactly like them. And, if we’re really interested in freeing the oppressed, we should continue to fight them at every opportunity. But, let’s protect our country and our people first. If we can’t put them all on a ship bound for Saudi Arabia, let’s at least start by making sure their idea of home schooling doesn’t involve lessons in slavery, bomb-making and murder.</p>
<p>Hang together, or be honor-murdered separately.</p>
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