Comments on: Staged Palestinian Hoaxes in the First Lebanon War or Telling the Truth Can Lead to More of Same. http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/ Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:18:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Manny http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/comment-page-1/#comment-2698 Manny Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:10:17 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/#comment-2698 In her recent book "Because they hate", Christian Lebanese US journalist Brigitte Gabriel mentions the disinformation from the Palestinians and their friends during the Lebanon war. In her recent book “Because they hate”, Christian Lebanese US journalist Brigitte Gabriel mentions the disinformation from the Palestinians and their friends during the Lebanon war.

]]> By: Alcibiades http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1527 Alcibiades Sat, 24 May 2008 18:57:58 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/#comment-1527 Sounds like one of the techniques taught to Arafat by his KGB handlers. I bet Ion Pacepa would know for sure. Sounds like one of the techniques taught to Arafat by his KGB handlers. I bet Ion Pacepa would know for sure.

]]> By: Pallywood « Das politisch inkorrekte Wörterbuch http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1522 Pallywood « Das politisch inkorrekte Wörterbuch Sat, 24 May 2008 17:45:08 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/#comment-1522 [...] wurde jetzt, dass eklatante Fälschungen zur Stimmungsmache statt fanden. Notiert hat es Phyllis Chesler auf ihrem Blog in einer E-Mail. Eine israelische Feministin sah kurz vor ihrer Abreise zu einer Konferenz in [...] [...] wurde jetzt, dass eklatante Fälschungen zur Stimmungsmache statt fanden. Notiert hat es Phyllis Chesler auf ihrem Blog in einer E-Mail. Eine israelische Feministin sah kurz vor ihrer Abreise zu einer Konferenz in [...]

]]> By: Dr S McCosker http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1489 Dr S McCosker Sat, 24 May 2008 08:59:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/#comment-1489 Dear Dr Chesler - I read Dr Landes. Interesting that he traces it back to the First Lebanon War. Back in the early 80s I learnt to read (not speak, but read) French. This meant that I was able to read Jacques Ellul's 'Un Chretien Pour Israel' [1986] (which has never been translated into English). A whole, long section of that book deals with 'Propaganda': that is, with the Arab/Muslim (and, at that time, Soviet also) propaganda against Israel. Ellul covered a lot of the same ground as Landes, and his conclusions were the same - that the 'Palestinian' Arab Muslims, and the Islamosphere in general, with their Useful Idiots and fellow travellers in the French media to boot, were...Big Liars on a par with Goebbels; that there was a vast, well-funded, and clever propaganda war going on, against Israel and the Jews; and he ALSO gave it as his professional opinion that Israel was 'useless at propaganda', that the Jews were, in general, very honest, i.e. that the charge that there was an Israeli or Jewish propaganda going on, was completely nonsensical. That book (especially as I knew already that Ellul as a sociologist had professionally deconstructed - and that he despised - propaganda of every kind), transformed the way I viewed the Israel -'palestine' conflict. It immunised me against the Arab Muslim propaganda, very very effectively. Landes' analysis, and Safir's testimony, confirms Ellul's conclusions from 20 years ago. Dear Dr Chesler – I read Dr Landes. Interesting that he traces it back to the First Lebanon War. Back in the early 80s I learnt to read (not speak, but read) French. This meant that I was able to read Jacques Ellul’s ‘Un Chretien Pour Israel’ [1986] (which has never been translated into English). A whole, long section of that book deals with ‘Propaganda’: that is, with the Arab/Muslim (and, at that time, Soviet also) propaganda against Israel. Ellul covered a lot of the same ground as Landes, and his conclusions were the same – that the ‘Palestinian’ Arab Muslims, and the Islamosphere in general, with their Useful Idiots and fellow travellers in the French media to boot, were…Big Liars on a par with Goebbels; that there was a vast, well-funded, and clever propaganda war going on, against Israel and the Jews; and he ALSO gave it as his professional opinion that Israel was ‘useless at propaganda’, that the Jews were, in general, very honest, i.e. that the charge that there was an Israeli or Jewish propaganda going on, was completely nonsensical. That book (especially as I knew already that Ellul as a sociologist had professionally deconstructed – and that he despised – propaganda of every kind), transformed the way I viewed the Israel -’palestine’ conflict. It immunised me against the Arab Muslim propaganda, very very effectively. Landes’ analysis, and Safir’s testimony, confirms Ellul’s conclusions from 20 years ago.

]]> By: Nancy Kobrin, Ph.D. http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1467 Nancy Kobrin, Ph.D. Sat, 24 May 2008 03:14:10 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/#comment-1467 Phyllis you are right once again. Ayaan Hirsi Ali wrote that jihad is not just about ideology and its words but it is a jihad of imagery. Once again the Palestinians show us how much they hate their own children that they would put them in a burning car and terrify them. This week in Minnesota the principal of the Tarik Ibn Ziad Academy (Tiza), a publicly funded day school lead his students outside to assault a television camera man. It can't get much more literal than that -- that they would attack a person who makes images but not to their liking and would use their own children as human shields. They endlessly and brutally manipulate their own children rendering them terrified. There ought to be an international law. . . Phyllis you are right once again. Ayaan Hirsi Ali wrote that jihad is not just about ideology and its words but it is a jihad of imagery. Once again the Palestinians show us how much they hate their own children that they would put them in a burning car and terrify them. This week in Minnesota the principal of the Tarik Ibn Ziad Academy (Tiza), a publicly funded day school lead his students outside to assault a television camera man. It can’t get much more literal than that — that they would attack a person who makes images but not to their liking and would use their own children as human shields. They endlessly and brutally manipulate their own children rendering them terrified. There ought to be an international law. . .

]]> By: Augean Stables » Phyllis Chesler’s Blog Goes back to Pallywood’s Origins: Lebanon 1982 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1455 Augean Stables » Phyllis Chesler’s Blog Goes back to Pallywood’s Origins: Lebanon 1982 Fri, 23 May 2008 22:55:31 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/#comment-1455 [...] Chesler has posted a note from a colleague in Israel with some eyewitness recollections of media staging news in Lebanon in [...] [...] Chesler has posted a note from a colleague in Israel with some eyewitness recollections of media staging news in Lebanon in [...]

]]> By: Norman Simms http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1448 Norman Simms Fri, 23 May 2008 22:07:21 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/#comment-1448 Phyllis This is the kind of detail we need to collect and publish. All those interested in putting tgoether an anthology of documents and illustrations on the phenomenon of faux-tography used in anti-Israeli propaganda, please contact me, and we can begin to discuss how to get the book out. Norman Simms Outrigger Publishers nsimms@waikato.ac.nz Phyllis

This is the kind of detail we need to collect and publish. All those interested in putting tgoether an anthology of documents and illustrations on the phenomenon of faux-tography used in anti-Israeli propaganda, please contact me, and we can begin to discuss how to get the book out.

Norman Simms
Outrigger Publishers
nsimms@waikato.ac.nz

]]> By: George Jochnowitz http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1433 George Jochnowitz Fri, 23 May 2008 18:13:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/23/staged-palestinian-hoaxes-in-the-first-lebanon-war-or-telling-the-truth-can-lead-to-more-of-same/#comment-1433 I never heard the burning-car story before. It is an example of gross, deliberate dishonesty on the part of European reporters. Now that the Karsenty decision is beginning to make it into the news—a step at a time—this related case should be exhumed and publicized. It is quite relevant. I never heard the burning-car story before. It is an example of gross, deliberate dishonesty on the part of European reporters. Now that the Karsenty decision is beginning to make it into the news—a step at a time—this related case should be exhumed and publicized. It is quite relevant.

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