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1. Cyrus:

Those people should be ASHAMED of themselves! I am so angry and disgusted by this! When I saw the headline I said that the couple responsible for this has to be either Middle Eastern or South Asian and that was before I had found out what their ethicity was. I myself am Middle Eastern and I get enraged when this happens from anybody to anyone especially from our community because it gives US a bad name.
But nontheless the majority of us are great immigrants in that we are law abiding hard working and enterprising.

Jun 27, 2008 - 4:44 pm 2. Louis Santacroce:

And their lawyer says $200,000 will be sufficient? Who is their lawyer, one of those alcoholic public defender types on “Law and Order?” How about $200,000,000? I’m sure thier former slavemasters have it! And what’s with giving the husband a lighter sentence? Tell me he didn’t know what’s going on, and don’t tell me that — in a Hindu marriage (almost as bad for women as its moslem counterpart) — he could not have stopped it had he wanted to. Or, maybe HE didn’t refer to himself as a god? P.S. – I weigh nearly 300 pounds and am pretty angry about not being able to afford the band operation. Can I enslave a banker?

Jun 27, 2008 - 7:40 pm 3. Pajamas Media » Slave-Owning ‘Cruella De Ville’ Got What She Deserved:

[...] Read the entire piece here [...]

Jun 29, 2008 - 12:17 am 4. jvon:

I think the judge should order the attorneys paid at the same rate they are proposing these women be paid at.

As a bonus, they need not be tortured or starved.

Jun 29, 2008 - 12:34 am 5. Bill in New York:

Good indeed! Now ask yourself, “why the hell are we voluntarily submitting to the will of an organization where the majority of participants are NOT democratic governments?” (UN of course)

Jun 29, 2008 - 3:57 am 6. jill:

I read a book called Slave – My True Story by Mende Nazar. It was about an amazing woman – whom I’ll never forget – that was abducted by Muslims from her tribe in the Nuba Mountains in Africa. I won’t forget her name – Mende – and if I had a child I’d name her after this brave and wonderful woman, who finally escaped slavery from her Islamic “masters” after 11 or 12 years in captivity as a slave.

Mende was abducted as a very young girl, a child – along with other “pretty” girls and boys from her village – and other neighboring villages. All the children were raped before they got to their destination by their Islamic raiders. Some died. The older villagers were often simply murdered and raped. Those chosen in the raid are brought back to the city where they are sold like cattle. In Mendes case – she became a domestic slave to a horrific “pious” Muslim family who treated her less than human, beat her, starved her namely by the woman of the house – who deprived her of anything and everything. This is often the case with the domestic slaves. The women heading the household are their “property”. No, Mende was never paid and I can’t begin to explain how cruelly she was treated.

This goes on in Islam ALL THE TIME. Most of the small girls and boys are sold as either domestic slaves or sex slaves or put out on the street by their masters to beg for money (as a career for their Islamic owners). It is simply too horrific to think about – and as you read this – it is happening every day and most of the perpetrators are Muslims. This is a FACT. This is simply a fact that I refuse to leave out of this comment. They have the rings that raid the villages to get these children and they (Muslims) are the main buyers of these poor innocent children.

I don’t think I’ve ever cried so much in my life, or became as angry as when I read that book. I suggest everyone read it – since these crimes are on the rise to huge and unpresedented levels. All of us should be aware of this. We should also keep in mind that these people (children) that are abducted do not only come from the mountains in Africa. They could be abducted in our back yards – right here in the US and we must stop this. This goes on all over this world – and most of this is done by ISLAM. Not all, but MOST.

I also must include the following. We must stop Islam from doing these things. When we get angry enough to stick up for our fellow man – perhaps the world will put the finger of blame where it belongs and stop dancing around what is going on and who is perpetrating these horrific crimes. We need to identify – tell the truth about who is doing it – so we can STOP IT. Again, these children (and adults) – boys and girls – are being abducted every moment of every day – and just like the genocide going on in the Sudan – RIGHT NOW – we, our governments are too afraid to talk about it because Islam is the perpetrators! The Sudan genocide is simple. It is ISLAM MURDERING, killing – eliminating all those that are not Islamic. The Muslims they do kill, which are Black Africans – the native peoples that had been dominated by Islam but don’t know or practice true Islam – like Mende – were considered not Islamic enough, so they are slaughtered too. The native Africans in the Sudan do not follow many of the cruel tenets of Islam . In fact, Mende was an Islamic girl – and yet, her way of life, her family and her tribe did not follow most of the Islamic way… And that is what the genocide in the Sudan is about. Muslims wiping out everyone who is not Muslim -and those that are unlike them.

One more note. I watched a documentary on the genocide in Sudan. I give George Clooney much credit – but none of them – after sitting in front of a tv camera trying to explain the conflict so others would get involved – couldn’t manage to explain what the genocide was about. Why you ask? They know what it’s about – Islamic Genocide of others, yet… because of PC and fear being murdered or sued by Islam – they wiggled in their chair, choosing their words very, very carefully. This conflict, in the Sudan is very simple. Islam is wiping out Native Black Africans that are not Muslim – or again, Not Muslim enough – and taking over. Just as the article above. Did you notice that they were able to prosecute this woman? Why… because she is not Islamic. They found a Hindu woman – because the Islamic people get away with everything – including murder and genocide. I suppose when our level of anger at systematic genocide of our native black Africans overrides our inability to point the finger at the guilty party – Only then we will be able to save millions.

I’d also like to add – please, to all the Anti-Jihad websites and blogs: Please consider the genocide in Sudan – which is a crime by Islamic terrorists -and report on it. The wholesale genocide of these people and what is going on there is not getting adequate media coverage. Most of these sites do not report on it. I am imploring you – it must be talked about, written about, blogged – and we must educate all those visiting sites like Pajamas Media, Jihad Watch, Little Green Footballs, Atlas Shrugs and so many more!

Where are our black activists? Where is Jesse Jackson? Where is Al Sharpton? Where is the media? We need them! Where are they? Perhaps they will leave their fear behind to save the people of the Sudan.

God Help Us if we sit and keep waiting. So many have already been slaughtered… God help us and may God forgive us for doing nothing.

Jun 29, 2008 - 6:11 am 7. Nancy Kobrin, Ph.D.:

Law is the only way to stop these really aberrant brutal abusive practices. Again and again we see the repeated cultural patterns – even in Asian culture of Hinduism, the prohibition of separating from the mother which is a kind of enslavement is acted out viciously with the maids. While it is hard to make a direct link, it does not surprise me that there is such tremendous denial even within the family.

Jun 29, 2008 - 6:33 am 8. ANSWERS For The Faith » Blog Archive » -Indentured Servants on Long Island?:

[...] Here is the case of Varsha Sabhnani, a millionaire, Who just was sentenced to 11 years in jail for enslaving and torturing two Indonesian female maids in her Long Island mansion. Her husband, Mahender, will also receive a jail sentence. The Sabhnani’s held and confiscated the passports and virtually enslaved two domestic servants for 3 years in one case and 6 in the other. [...]

Jun 29, 2008 - 8:39 am 9. Aussie:

Dear Jill,
You are breath of fresh air, at last someone prepared to call a slave master / trader what the vast majority of them are…MUSLIMS, aka.members of the “Religion of Peace”

Please continue to do so.

Yours faithfully,
Aussie.

Jun 29, 2008 - 9:26 am 10. Dark Helmet:

What strikes me as odd, is that there is no outrage from the civil rights speakers. Perhaps racism has nothing to do with slavery after all. That kind of stands things on its head.

Jun 29, 2008 - 9:56 am 11. Anita Hope:

Eleven years is not enough for the woman and as stated above, the husband needs to be sentenced likewise.
At the termination of their sentences they should have their rights to live in our country revoked and sent
back to India. An investigation into the family business and those they associate with will more than likly turn up more of this going on in our country. Regarding the UN, it is time we demand they live and behave
according to the laws of our country. We have given them “Carte Blanche “, and they have taken full advantage, laughing not at our backs, but facing us head on. If we don’t start protecting our nation who will?
Before we can condemn other countries for such abuse we must clean up our own by taking away their rights to live or do business in or with our country. Both will stir up the attention needed to start stopping such
slavery from continueing on our shores I believe.

Jun 29, 2008 - 10:01 am 12. David:

Creepy, isn’t it? Now we know why we’re so unpopular in the rest of the world, imprisoning these well-meaning wealthy people, who were only treating their servants the way wealthy people around the rest of the world do….

Jun 29, 2008 - 12:38 pm 13. Cletus:

Screw 11 years in prison, slave-owning should be a capital crime.

Jun 29, 2008 - 1:19 pm 14. tanstaafl:

Yes, Jill, you write with great passion and truth.

However, I couldn’t watch the George Clooney Sudan “documentary” as, at the outset, it seemed a piece of pure propaganda, blaming the United States for what has been going on in Sudan.

I didn’t see the part in the (so called) documentary where the Clooney filmmakers acknowledged that the (originally government sponsored Janjaweed) were calling for the extermination of black Africans and/or justifying the raping of dark-skinned Sudanese in the name of making “lighter skinned” (Muslim) babies.

George Clooney is a mental (and highly biased) lightweight when it comes to analyzing the world.

And, excuse me, but “the world” sitting around and bemoaning Sudan is as tiresome as “the world” sitting around and bemoaning Mugabe. None of it is making any particular difference.

Anyway, it’s a little bit of justice that the (chemically imbalanced, a likely story) Indian aristocrat and her husband will no longer be able to viciously abuse their Indonesian help.

Jun 29, 2008 - 5:26 pm 15. Vani:

To Tanstaafl;
I find your cruel indifference shocking and disturbing. These corrupt governments could not take and maintain power, without the support of immoral first World nations such as the US and in this case, China. You are like many Americans, you find it hard to care about human beings who live at a distance. What am I saying? You don’t even care for your own citizens. This is why your Black American population is so ridiculously disadvantaged despite the incredible wealth which you possess. Everyone in the world knows that you treat them like dogs and don’t even want to hire them or live next to them. For you, it is nothing that your fellow Americans go to bed hungry and sick, so why should you care about those whom your foreign policies have harmed who live 3,000 miles away?

Jun 29, 2008 - 6:31 pm 16. Dark Helmet:

My my, just didn’t quite fit into your agenda, did it?

Jun 29, 2008 - 6:46 pm 17. njcommuter:

A century and a half ago, the USA fought a war over slavery, a war so bloody it shocked Europe, a war so vast that it had more battles than WWI. After all that blood spent to end slavery, it seems to me that the only way to respect the sacrifice is to make this kind of slavery a capital crime.

Would SCOTUS allow it? How would the public debate run? Certainly the barrier to execution should be high, but keeping two people as servants, holding their passports, and starving them and punish them for taking food from the garbage should be sufficient evidence that it was slavery; that it went on for years should be evidence that there was an intent to permanently deny these people the right to their freedoms and the pursuit of happiness.

Lifetime in prison is, in my mind, the weakest punishment that should be contemplated.

Jun 29, 2008 - 7:42 pm 18. Michael Lonie:

Vani,
Plenty of cruel and corrupt Third World governments take and maintain power without any help of the US, even in the face of its enmity. Cuba is an excellent example. We haven’t been too favorable to the lunkheads running the Sudan either.

Americans are the most generpous people in the world, including to people who live far away of whom we know little. Look at the American response to the Indonesian earthquake and tsunami a few years ago. You did hear about that, didn’t you?

As for American black people, they rise economically with all the rest of us. When black economic advancement slowed and virtually stopped was in the 70s, when the economy was bad for all and blacks were caught in the grip of the welfare state. When that was cut back and the economy revitalized under Reagan their advancement resumed. Thomas Sowell, an economist with a Ph.D. from the University of Chicago has studied deeply the economics of race, and that was his conclusion. American blacks get hired, although there are handicaps for them. The first is the black culture of dependency and hostility to education. The second is the minimum wage law. The latter originated in the 1930s as a way to keep blacks out of jobs for whites. It still adversely impacts blacks with lower skills or just starting in the workforce.
Which is one reason why conservatives are against it.

As for social advancement, both the Obamas and the Rev. Wright have moved into upscale neighborhoods into houses costing over a million and a half dollars.. Hard to get more socially advanced than that. When was the last time a harijan got as close to being Prime Minister of India as Barack Obama has been to becoming President?

Remove the beam form your own eye before you criticize the mote in our eye.

Jun 29, 2008 - 11:36 pm 19. Ken Mitchell:

Just a personal nit; the cartoon character in “101 Dalmatians” was named “Cruella De Vil”.

I mostly agree with Tanstaffl; what would you have the U.S. do? There aren’t enough B-52s – nor a fraction of the bombs required – in the world to bomb evil out of existence, and who would stand for it? If we execute every slaveowner in the Sudan, that would make the Sudan an even MORE wretched place than it is now, and that’s saying a lot!

Vani; Those corrupt and immoral governments are perfectly capable of arming themselves and imposing atrocities without our assistance. And if you are calling upon the United States to come and free the slaves; well, we’re getting there, one nation at a time. Right now it’s Iraq’s turn, and Afghanistan’s; with luck Iran will be next, and we can to the Sudan after that. But what do you say to our slave-freeing efforts now?

How do you feel about the war in Iraq? Would you wish that American military forces go to YOUR homeland and “purify” it?

And if you would rather that the U.N. or some other international body do the dirty work, I’ve got news for you; the UN doesn’t have any troops. The U.N. begs troops from many other nations, to go there and get shot at and not shoot back. And for what? What can the U.N do? Worse, what WILL the U.N. do? Aside from raping young women for sport, there being not much else to do when you’re a blue-helmeted barbarian with a gun. That’s what the U.N. often DOES do; make kiddie porn and abuse children.

Jun 29, 2008 - 11:42 pm 20. P. Ami:

Vani,
I’ve spent quite a bit of time in foreign lands and what people around the world think they know about the US is many times greater than what one can actually know. Whether we want to or not, the various ethnic groups here can and do live as neighbors. One of our supposedly disadvantaged blacks is running for President. The last two Secretaries of State were black. We have a black man as a judge in our highest Federal court. We have millionaire athletes and entertainers on TV, on radio and in movies, sending their kids to the best schools, living in the best neighborhoods, free to do with their success what any other American might do. Seeing that we are a country that for now credits hard work, sacrifice, ingenuity and creativity, we tend to reward those who show those traits. A white person growing up in disadvantage, and we have those as well, stand as good a chance of making something of themselves as a black kid in those conditions. We believe that folk have to work for their rewards and overcome what disadvantages fate provided. If you have a problem with that then that is fine. I’m not about to discredit whichever perfect society raised you. I probably don’t know enough about your country to criticize. I am perfectly qualified to let you know that you lack the knowledge of my country that would lend credibility to your criticism. Maybe one day you’ll stop by, have a look around, and come to an informed opinion of my country.

Jun 30, 2008 - 12:09 am 21. Fai Mao:

This happens a lot in Hong Kong.

The opposite happens as well where a maid is hired to care for an elderly parent and abuses them.

I am not sure which is more common.

A relatively large percentage of the husbands and teenage sons here also have sex with the maid though often times it is a business arrangement

We don’t keep a maid though most people here do.

Jun 30, 2008 - 3:08 am 22. njcommuter:

Vani,

“I find your cruel indifference shocking and disturbing. These corrupt governments could not take and maintain power, without the support of immoral first World nations such as the US and in this case, China.”

Wrong. The system of state sovereignty protects every nation, good or bad. Without it, there would be anarchy and war all over the planet, and not just in isolated places.

If you have the stamina, the book to read is Philip Bobbitt’s The Shield of Achilles: War, Peace, and the Course of History. If you want to examine ways in which the system might be changed, the question of limited sovereigny as it might apply to international terrorism and states that terrorize their own people is examined in Bobbitt’s subsequent Terror and Consent: The Wars for the Twenty-first Century. Unfortunately, there is not room to discuss just how the changes might happen; international law is accepted by (nearly) all nations or it is no law at all.

Jun 30, 2008 - 6:23 am 23. tanstaafl:

Perfectly ridiculous observations, Vani.

I wouldn’t know where to start to try to disassemble the various components of brainwashing your writing reflects.

I care deeply about suffering people everywhere. I don’t care at all (in fact I have deep contempt for) stylish western movie stars and rock stars (e.g. George Clooney or Bono) who seem to think their protests and complaints carry more weight or importance because they, themselves, act or sing.

They’re entertainers, and I find the hypocrisy of “the world” almost (not quite, but almost) as contemptible as the atrocities perpetrated in the name of personal wealth of an Omar al-Bashir (Sudan) or a paranoid and insane old man like Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe).

I’d seriously like someone to tell me exactly what the United States can do while these countries continue to abuse and exploit their own populations. Or allow it to happen. “The UN” has, by and large, shown itself to be utterly worthless, beyond writing reports and, itself, holding large scale, meaningless meetings worldwide.

As for your assumptions about black Americans in these times, I wouldn’t know where to start with that, either.

I’d suggest you take a closer (much closer) look at exactly who is putting these ridiculous notions and impressions into your head.

Jun 30, 2008 - 6:37 am 24. jill:

Tanstaafl,
I completely agree. In fact, the United States was the only country with the damn balls to admit that there is a genocide in Sudan. The willy Europeans – knowing what has been going on – waits for the their big brother – whom they bash without mercy on a constant basis, to stand up to the Islamists. It sickens me. Meanwhile, the Brits give polygamy payments to the husbands of more than one wife – and let Al Queda murderers out of jail, and while they’re country is going to crap because of Muslims – they bash the US. I’m so sick of blaming the US, while we’re trying to fight those terrorists to keep the world safe, they want us to start another war on another front – while they do nothing? Then what – call us WARMONGERS? Yep. If we did try to stop the war in the Sudan – or get rid of Mugabe – we would be protested against, murdered more overseas – and well… you all know.

How many times has Bush gone to Europe asking the Europeans to build their armies? Every time he goes there! While they overspend on social services – Americans do without so we can buy the arms necessary to fight another coming Hitler – which is Islam. All the while, Europe, which knows the US is going to have to send our men – again – to die overseas to bail their sorry asses out – the bash us on a daily basis – and viciously. As far as the rights of blacks in America? Sorry to that poster that claims we’re all so rich and keep our blacks down – we simply don’t! I wish and somewhat blame the blacks in America for not making more noise to help the others in Africa. After all, they are African Americans – ie … from Africa… so why do I, a white girl, have to awaken Al Sharpton/ Jesse Jackson? They know what’s going on … they should be organizing protests. That would get the government to mobilize.

As far as Clooney goes – I only saw a small opening documentary about 3 minutes worth- on Comcast.(A few of these 3-5 minute docs). The reason I mentioned that I give him credit, was because he took the time to put himself in danger to speak of this. Unlike the other Hollywood idiots that open their mouth and simply not know what they’re talking about. (BTW, I can’t stand Clooney – but at least he’s trying to do something). And truly, I do believe if he used the wrong words, his life could be in danger – like the rest of those that identify Islam as a problem with anything! The movie stars today are outrageously out of touch. I wish they would simply shut up so I can enjoy them in the theaters. Plus, they make such fools of themselves – they are so very out of touch.

Want Peace? Sometimes you just have to kill for it. There will always be another Hitler, and we’re always going to have to have war. This is unfortunate – but a fact.

Jun 30, 2008 - 8:30 am 25. tanstaafl:

If we did try to stop the war in the Sudan – or get rid of Mugabe – we would be protested against, murdered more overseas – and well… you all know.

I been amazed at how lefties and liberals bemoan the failure of the US to “act” in Sudan.

I have wondered (even out loud how would their tune change if, in fact, the US did some kind of unilateral intervention there ?

These were the same L’S & L’s who almost relentlessly condemned intervention in Iraq. However, they didn’t seem to appreciate the irony of their contradictory postures.

As my dad used to say, “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”

“The Balkans” went on on the Europeans’ doorstep. The US did, eventually, put an end to the ongoing genocide while “the Euros” looked the other way.

…why do I, a white girl, have to awaken Al Sharpton/ Jesse Jackson?

Al and Jesse are way too busy reminding black Americans how awful their lot is. Al and Jesse have gotten quite rich (personally) extolling this point, tedious and false as it may be.

Jun 30, 2008 - 9:38 am 26. Sensible:

The lawyers probably say 200,000 is enough to settle it without a long appeal or driving the bad people into bankruptcy–which will make the maids unsecured creditors and likely to get only pennies.

Being against slavery is a particularly Western thing: in many places in the world its quite normal and has been for centuries. The US didn’t invent it and does not propogate it. But for the US, England, France and some others, there’d be more of it.

Vani, it must be tough to see that Black Americans don’t buy the “Vani-world-view” and aren’t about to leave the US- a place they helped build and where they are richer than blacks anywhere else-for some fly-ridden, sinkhole. Feel free, of course, to lead by example.

Jun 30, 2008 - 4:30 pm 27. Mary in LA:

Does anyone know the name of the perfume company these two slave-holding low-lifes run, so I can make sure I never, never buy anything from it?

Jun 30, 2008 - 7:45 pm 28. SGT Ted:

Slavery should be a capital offense.

Jul 1, 2008 - 10:02 am 29. Natasha:

Good points on several sides here, I do believe that the situation in Sudan has been in fact contributed to not only by US but Europe and China, this has been a long on going conflict/Expansionism for many years, not just Islamic as a religion expansion/genocide of non-Muslims but its also been about hoarding of wealth/oil [going back to Chevron] and land.

But on one point, to this: “If we did try to stop the war in the Sudan – or get rid of Mugabe – we would be protested against, murdered more overseas – and well… you all know…”

Exactly–think on this for minute, the Russians were slam blasted when they entered Kabul, because they were surrounded [Afghan war],

now, take Americans intervening in Sudan, look at the geographical position, look at the situation in Congo And in Kenya, and then,

look at the major supporter/backer of Sudan–China.

Intervening in Sudan, I would bet, would be pushed at an appropriate and strategic time, not to aid Sudan, no, but to set up a perfect trap, it would be suicidal. I might be wrong on this but if you add up all the cards, it could very well possibly be the perfect mouse trap with the peanut butter and the works.

the world underestimates Islam’s war strategies, even if you look at Muhammad strictly through a military lens, the man was a genius in regards to not only expansionism, but how he used slaves/captives to build armies…and throughout the centuries Islamists have done one thing and one thing well,

they’ve taken the curse of assimilation and used it to defeat their enemies. They observe, they mobilize with some strict order, believe it or not, it might not seem that way, but if you look at history you can see it–they watch, and then they adapt. They aren’t the only ones who do this, but they do this better than any expansionist force that I can tell–even better than the Soviets did. And due to their capability for martyrdom they have no issue in sacrificing for losses–just enough losses to see how the enemy defeats than they take that and learn from it.

Intervening in Sudan, I believe, just my opinion, I’m by far no military expert but I believe it would be a strategical move on Their part–setting up the perfect trap, just as they did in Kabul. They bait,

and if you think this is crazy, remember this, they know Very well how Americans react, to the visual images of genocide and ethnic cleansing–lets not forget Kosovo and Bosnia, and look at what is transpiring there today in both Kosovo and Albania and the expansionism towards Greece [and keep in mind the sway the communists have in Greece right now].

just a thought…

Jul 1, 2008 - 6:29 pm 30. Natasha:

“why do I, a white girl, have to awaken Al Sharpton/ Jesse Jackson?

Al and Jesse are way too busy reminding black Americans how awful their lot is. Al and Jesse have gotten quite rich (personally) extolling this point, tedious and false as it may be.”

Hmmm, guess you aren’t aware of the crisis going on in Dunbar Village?

some info for you, a tad interesting to say the least…seems there is some discontent at the indifference of black leaders there as well,

http://whataboutourdaughters.blogspot.com/2008/06/dunbar-village-one-year-later.html

Jul 1, 2008 - 6:40 pm 31. Carolyn Petersen:

Will somone please explain to me why this couple is not going to be prosecuted more? I propose that the couple should be forced to undergo the same treatment that they gave these two women. When that is finished, they should be expelled from the country, and the government should take away any of their company holdings, and give them to the two women. This is a very harsh punishment, I know, but it should serve as a deterrent to all who might commit this crime in the future.

Jul 2, 2008 - 5:45 pm 32. Traveling Dave:

Some facts:

The perpetrators were HINDU not MUSLIM. Its different.
The article says the victims were Indonesian. This means there is an 86.1% chance they were Muslim. (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/id.html)

Islam condemns slavery as a precept.

Some commentors here wish to imply that the evil actions of the followers of a religion indicate that the religion itself is evil. Since most humans don’t live up to the teachings of their religion, this is not a line of argument that any religion can survive, (just to hammer the point home – that includes Christianity).

As a side note, I cannot resist pointing out that at the time Republicans were screaming bloody murder about Americans involvement in the Balkans. It is amusing to now hear that Bill Clinton got it right.

I had always thought discipline was a considered a conservative value. That goes for intellectual discipline as well, I hope.

Jul 2, 2008 - 10:13 pm 33. SheilaG:

Traveling Dave:

Islam does NOT condemn slavery as a precept. Islam condemns slavery of fellow Muslims. Non-Muslims are fair game.

And it is okay for Muslims to rape women whom they have conquered in war. They can take them because they are now their property.

Islam has two sets of laws: one for how you treat Muslims, and one for how you treat everybody else. Make sure you don’t confuse them.

Jul 11, 2008 - 4:08 pm 34. tanstaafl:

Natasha

My observation related to J. Jackson and A. Sharpton (especially Jesse, Al seems capable of some evolution/self-awareness) peddling (for decades now) the shtick of victim-hood to blacks.

I was not referencing any actual black on black crime/black on white crime/white on black crime, whatever.

Jackson’s off the cuff (”hot mike”) remark this week is a perfect example of how he is resentful of some newcomer (Barack Obama) stealing his thunder and telling black men (Obama’s Father’s Day speech) to stand up and take responsibility for themselves and their actions.

This is decidedly not the message that Jesse Jackson has grown wealthy propagating for most of his adult life.

Jul 12, 2008 - 10:59 am

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