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	<title>Comments on: A Muslim King and Three Rabbis Go Into A Bar in Madrid&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Jin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article that can be found here:

http://joshxiong.com/?p=43

Basically, the idea that 99 percent of indonesia is fundamentalist muslim but they can still suppress radical factions should fascinate us.  What it boils down to is a biological not religious cause of the suicide bombings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article that can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://joshxiong.com/?p=43" rel="nofollow">http://joshxiong.com/?p=43</a></p>
<p>Basically, the idea that 99 percent of indonesia is fundamentalist muslim but they can still suppress radical factions should fascinate us.  What it boils down to is a biological not religious cause of the suicide bombings.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farlen</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Farlen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be clear about the Islamic agenda&#039;s, to a mainstaream Muslim like the King there is only Dar Al Harb (Wartime) with the World and Dar Al Salaam (Peace) with the World when all of the World becomes Muslim. There is nothing else!! Interfaith conferences that are hosted by Muslims are meant to smile their opponents into a weakened position so that they be more easily conquered or in the case of Spain re-conquered.  To mainstream Muslims, once a land has been conquered it becomes Muslim land forever. The liberal, leftwing Rabbis who attend these dog and pony shows, could have been recruited right out of the Judenrat mentality of World War Two. Interfaith conferences hosted by Jews, Christians, Hindus et al are really there for exactly that purpose, to promote peace and understanding! Let&#039;s not be lulled into a false sense of security and hope by the fools who are invited to attend these farces, let them continue to put their heads in the ground so they do not have to face the danger, we cannot afford to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be clear about the Islamic agenda&#8217;s, to a mainstaream Muslim like the King there is only Dar Al Harb (Wartime) with the World and Dar Al Salaam (Peace) with the World when all of the World becomes Muslim. There is nothing else!! Interfaith conferences that are hosted by Muslims are meant to smile their opponents into a weakened position so that they be more easily conquered or in the case of Spain re-conquered.  To mainstream Muslims, once a land has been conquered it becomes Muslim land forever. The liberal, leftwing Rabbis who attend these dog and pony shows, could have been recruited right out of the Judenrat mentality of World War Two. Interfaith conferences hosted by Jews, Christians, Hindus et al are really there for exactly that purpose, to promote peace and understanding! Let&#8217;s not be lulled into a false sense of security and hope by the fools who are invited to attend these farces, let them continue to put their heads in the ground so they do not have to face the danger, we cannot afford to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: 4infidels</title>
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		<dc:creator>4infidels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seven years after Sept 11. 2001, and the Saudis still haven&#039;t eliminated the anti-Jewish and anti-Christian teachings in their text books and mosques, despite promising changes and conducting a PR campaign in the US claiming they were doing so in 2002.

Shame on all those infidels who took part in this charade.  As a Jew I find the arrogance of these Rabbis is matched only by their naivety.  The purpose of this meeting was not for King Abdullah to lay the groundwork for understanding or friendship between people of different religions; it was a PR move aimed at convincing those in the West that Saudi Arabia is not a place from which we have anything to worry about.

The Saudis fear that Americans have learned a bit too much about their &quot;Kingdom.&quot;  What better way to appear moderate, reasonable and peaceful than to have a bunch of Jewish &quot;leaders&quot;--so thrilled to be indulged by Saudi bigots--report back as their PR agents telling their fellow citizens all the positive things the Saudis are doing to improve relations with non-Muslims.  

Now send us more weapons, protect us from Iran and quiet down about the high gas prices.    And stop looking so closely at our TV programs and newspapers.  We can&#039;t control the words of every extremist (though they are on our payroll and we punish speech that is unflattering toward us). Oh yeah, it is also your job to support all the poor Muslim countries with your money (so you can win the hearts and minds that we&#039;ll be sure to poison) while we take lavish European vacations with our alcohol, gambling, slaves, whores and little boys.

These non-Muslim fools, by portraying this event as progress, will only cause other infidels to let their guard down rather than hold firm against jihadists paid for and promoted by the Saudis themselves.  Why read the Koran. study 1400 years of Muslim history  or examine the life of Muhammad for yourself when the al-Saud can tell you that Islam is a religion of peace.   

Even if the Saudis were serious about showing more respect for Judaism, Christianity and other religions, why should we endorse people who violate every human right that we hold dear?   I&#039;m not for sacrificing the West&#039;s most treasured values just to have interfaith dialogue with a bunch of primitive, women-beating, slave-taking, rape victim-lashing, honor-killing, homosexual-hanging, child-marrying, jihad-funding, hatred-indoctrinating, suicide murder-endorsing, civilization-destroying, music-banning, dagger-parading, morality-deprived, show-up-after-the-battle-and-claim-credit-for-victory and unearned-wealth-collecting death cultists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seven years after Sept 11. 2001, and the Saudis still haven&#8217;t eliminated the anti-Jewish and anti-Christian teachings in their text books and mosques, despite promising changes and conducting a PR campaign in the US claiming they were doing so in 2002.</p>
<p>Shame on all those infidels who took part in this charade.  As a Jew I find the arrogance of these Rabbis is matched only by their naivety.  The purpose of this meeting was not for King Abdullah to lay the groundwork for understanding or friendship between people of different religions; it was a PR move aimed at convincing those in the West that Saudi Arabia is not a place from which we have anything to worry about.</p>
<p>The Saudis fear that Americans have learned a bit too much about their &#8220;Kingdom.&#8221;  What better way to appear moderate, reasonable and peaceful than to have a bunch of Jewish &#8220;leaders&#8221;&#8211;so thrilled to be indulged by Saudi bigots&#8211;report back as their PR agents telling their fellow citizens all the positive things the Saudis are doing to improve relations with non-Muslims.  </p>
<p>Now send us more weapons, protect us from Iran and quiet down about the high gas prices.    And stop looking so closely at our TV programs and newspapers.  We can&#8217;t control the words of every extremist (though they are on our payroll and we punish speech that is unflattering toward us). Oh yeah, it is also your job to support all the poor Muslim countries with your money (so you can win the hearts and minds that we&#8217;ll be sure to poison) while we take lavish European vacations with our alcohol, gambling, slaves, whores and little boys.</p>
<p>These non-Muslim fools, by portraying this event as progress, will only cause other infidels to let their guard down rather than hold firm against jihadists paid for and promoted by the Saudis themselves.  Why read the Koran. study 1400 years of Muslim history  or examine the life of Muhammad for yourself when the al-Saud can tell you that Islam is a religion of peace.   </p>
<p>Even if the Saudis were serious about showing more respect for Judaism, Christianity and other religions, why should we endorse people who violate every human right that we hold dear?   I&#8217;m not for sacrificing the West&#8217;s most treasured values just to have interfaith dialogue with a bunch of primitive, women-beating, slave-taking, rape victim-lashing, honor-killing, homosexual-hanging, child-marrying, jihad-funding, hatred-indoctrinating, suicide murder-endorsing, civilization-destroying, music-banning, dagger-parading, morality-deprived, show-up-after-the-battle-and-claim-credit-for-victory and unearned-wealth-collecting death cultists.</p>
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		<title>By: Mama Palama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mama Palama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Islamic appeasement and keeping infidels/kafirs in thrall while more important cards are being played is a trick as old as the world and nations gave themselves names. When entitlement to everything rules a nation, when borders and boundaries are made meaningless in quest for conquest - perceptional accuity better remain the top item on any get-together menu and especially so when peace is the advertized special.

Hospitality has always been very highly valued and practiced on the proverbial peace-making missions among Arab tribes. However, when morning comes or by next night-fall the battles continue and what has passed for hospitality and peace but one face in which trust is the first casuality.

It is necessary, it is essential to understand the world and its workings no matter the ordinaryiness of our day to day existence or how we in the West choose to live in denial of truth.  Now as much as ever when peace touted conferences serve not for peace but in bringing down the veil over our eyes and sensibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islamic appeasement and keeping infidels/kafirs in thrall while more important cards are being played is a trick as old as the world and nations gave themselves names. When entitlement to everything rules a nation, when borders and boundaries are made meaningless in quest for conquest &#8211; perceptional accuity better remain the top item on any get-together menu and especially so when peace is the advertized special.</p>
<p>Hospitality has always been very highly valued and practiced on the proverbial peace-making missions among Arab tribes. However, when morning comes or by next night-fall the battles continue and what has passed for hospitality and peace but one face in which trust is the first casuality.</p>
<p>It is necessary, it is essential to understand the world and its workings no matter the ordinaryiness of our day to day existence or how we in the West choose to live in denial of truth.  Now as much as ever when peace touted conferences serve not for peace but in bringing down the veil over our eyes and sensibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: BL</title>
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		<dc:creator>BL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr. Chesler,

Life is short, so I will only comment on one of the &quot;Optimistic Reports&quot; from the recent Madrid conference that of Rabbi Arthur Waskow, he writes that &quot;indeed something real and important is happening.&quot;

&quot;First of all, this effort began with a conference in Mecca six weeks ago, in which Muslims of all backgrounds and ethnicities and nationalities came together to affirm that Islam is committed in its basic principles to dialogue, and abhors violence. That conference then called for this one.&quot; I guess the dialogue part was fulfilled: I always love to go to a meeting and agree that nothing was accomplished, so why not have another meeting (this is p.c. doublespeak for &#039;dialogue.&#039;). Agenda item number one surely was to explain why if the principles of Islam &quot;adhors violence&quot;, it continues as intensely and barbarically as ever. 

Rabbi Waskow then claimed this second meeting was being sabotaged by the radical Jewish media (the A.P.) &quot;...to smooth over that aspect of Islam which has carried out terrorist violence against civilians.&quot;

I&#039;ve read enough, Jesus Christ, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King, Jr. did not just condemn &quot;terrorist violence against civilians,&quot; but violence in general: domestic beatings and abuse, soldiers killing soldiers, bullies picking on the weak, etc. The thought that violence, much less terrorist violence against anyone: military personnel merely trying to keep the peace, infidels dressed in a way that they don&#039;t approve of, or war should be condemned and until Islamic leaders can embrace and stop funding the senseless acts of terrorists, how can they be believed!

Until, the olde boys allow women to equally participate and expose the &quot;terrorist violence&quot; that these Muslims supposedly abhor in their own households, these conferences will be a charade, expensive exercises in &quot;moral vanity&quot; and hood winking propaganda.

Wake up! Winston Churchill did after Neville Chamberlain returned to London with &quot;peace in our time.&quot; Lip service conference after conference, is nothing more than appeasement. Where are the actions! Chesler sees through the words and we best heed her warnings. She is the Winston (not the one in 1984) of our time. 

Keep on exposing the lies, Dr. Chesler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr. Chesler,</p>
<p>Life is short, so I will only comment on one of the &#8220;Optimistic Reports&#8221; from the recent Madrid conference that of Rabbi Arthur Waskow, he writes that &#8220;indeed something real and important is happening.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;First of all, this effort began with a conference in Mecca six weeks ago, in which Muslims of all backgrounds and ethnicities and nationalities came together to affirm that Islam is committed in its basic principles to dialogue, and abhors violence. That conference then called for this one.&#8221; I guess the dialogue part was fulfilled: I always love to go to a meeting and agree that nothing was accomplished, so why not have another meeting (this is p.c. doublespeak for &#8216;dialogue.&#8217;). Agenda item number one surely was to explain why if the principles of Islam &#8220;adhors violence&#8221;, it continues as intensely and barbarically as ever. </p>
<p>Rabbi Waskow then claimed this second meeting was being sabotaged by the radical Jewish media (the A.P.) &#8220;&#8230;to smooth over that aspect of Islam which has carried out terrorist violence against civilians.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read enough, Jesus Christ, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King, Jr. did not just condemn &#8220;terrorist violence against civilians,&#8221; but violence in general: domestic beatings and abuse, soldiers killing soldiers, bullies picking on the weak, etc. The thought that violence, much less terrorist violence against anyone: military personnel merely trying to keep the peace, infidels dressed in a way that they don&#8217;t approve of, or war should be condemned and until Islamic leaders can embrace and stop funding the senseless acts of terrorists, how can they be believed!</p>
<p>Until, the olde boys allow women to equally participate and expose the &#8220;terrorist violence&#8221; that these Muslims supposedly abhor in their own households, these conferences will be a charade, expensive exercises in &#8220;moral vanity&#8221; and hood winking propaganda.</p>
<p>Wake up! Winston Churchill did after Neville Chamberlain returned to London with &#8220;peace in our time.&#8221; Lip service conference after conference, is nothing more than appeasement. Where are the actions! Chesler sees through the words and we best heed her warnings. She is the Winston (not the one in 1984) of our time. </p>
<p>Keep on exposing the lies, Dr. Chesler.</p>
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		<title>By: George Jochnowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Jochnowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftists like Rabbi Lerner are under the mistaken impression that they support women&#039;s rights.  However, they are utterly silent whn in comes to the plight of women in the Islamic world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftists like Rabbi Lerner are under the mistaken impression that they support women&#8217;s rights.  However, they are utterly silent whn in comes to the plight of women in the Islamic world.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Santacroce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Santacroce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any Christian who travels to China will be taken to a state-sanctioned church, which will be presented as &quot;proof&quot; that Chinese citizens enjoy freedom of religion. In reality, we know that Christians (and, while we&#039;re at it, members of any other religion) who are not members of a state-sanctioned (read, heavily monitored) church are routinely harrassed, jailed, tortured and killed. Still, I have personally spoken to more than one Christian visitor who ecstatically informed me that &quot;there is no more religious persecution in China.&quot; 

I believe that King Abdullah took a lief from the Chinese with his so-called inter-faith conference. The difference is that his subterfuge is necessary in order to keep western minds in a state of denial (no one seems to care whether China persecutes its own people or destroys Tibet, so long as the cheap goods keep flowing and not too many American pets are poisoned by tainted dog food). He needs to keep shoving the lie down our throats because his people are allowed to do what dissadents would be killed for in Islamic countries: riot against America and other democracies in our own streets. where we can see them, if we dare look. Like any good magician, he has to distract the audience with the equivilent of a pretty girl so they don&#039;t see that the trick is...well, a trick! OF COURSE the good news that peaceful co-existence with non-moslem nations is possible has not been reported in the state-controlled Islamic media; some Taliban members might not realize it&#039;s all a big joke (those follows aren&#039;t exactly noted for their sense of humor, y&#039;know), and King Abdullah wants his head to remain attached to his body!

Remember how the American media dealt with Arafat when he appeared to be making overtures to Israel? They asked him over and over -- in about 100 different ways -- whether he now believed in Israel&#039;s right to exist. He smiled and grinned and hemmed and hawed for a while, but was finally tripped up, even though he tried to equvicate and back away when he was finally caught. If Abdullah wants to presnet himself to the west as the man with the olive branch, let the world media converge on him with the same question, and don&#039;t take smiles and grins for an answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any Christian who travels to China will be taken to a state-sanctioned church, which will be presented as &#8220;proof&#8221; that Chinese citizens enjoy freedom of religion. In reality, we know that Christians (and, while we&#8217;re at it, members of any other religion) who are not members of a state-sanctioned (read, heavily monitored) church are routinely harrassed, jailed, tortured and killed. Still, I have personally spoken to more than one Christian visitor who ecstatically informed me that &#8220;there is no more religious persecution in China.&#8221; </p>
<p>I believe that King Abdullah took a lief from the Chinese with his so-called inter-faith conference. The difference is that his subterfuge is necessary in order to keep western minds in a state of denial (no one seems to care whether China persecutes its own people or destroys Tibet, so long as the cheap goods keep flowing and not too many American pets are poisoned by tainted dog food). He needs to keep shoving the lie down our throats because his people are allowed to do what dissadents would be killed for in Islamic countries: riot against America and other democracies in our own streets. where we can see them, if we dare look. Like any good magician, he has to distract the audience with the equivilent of a pretty girl so they don&#8217;t see that the trick is&#8230;well, a trick! OF COURSE the good news that peaceful co-existence with non-moslem nations is possible has not been reported in the state-controlled Islamic media; some Taliban members might not realize it&#8217;s all a big joke (those follows aren&#8217;t exactly noted for their sense of humor, y&#8217;know), and King Abdullah wants his head to remain attached to his body!</p>
<p>Remember how the American media dealt with Arafat when he appeared to be making overtures to Israel? They asked him over and over &#8212; in about 100 different ways &#8212; whether he now believed in Israel&#8217;s right to exist. He smiled and grinned and hemmed and hawed for a while, but was finally tripped up, even though he tried to equvicate and back away when he was finally caught. If Abdullah wants to presnet himself to the west as the man with the olive branch, let the world media converge on him with the same question, and don&#8217;t take smiles and grins for an answer.</p>
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