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		<title>By: Opinions can get you prosecuted &#171; Pecanpii&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Opinions can get you prosecuted &#171; Pecanpii&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One woman, (who prefers to remain anonymous), a member of the LiberalHawks listserv group, was threatened by a Muslim man. He threatened to “rape her fifty times.” He, and several other men, walked right through the barrier that had been erected to separate the two groups. Muslim parade marchers also photographed the protesters–a method of intimidation, a threat that they are being watched and might be stalked or worse. The police ended up having to protect the small band of protesters. In my time, it was the police who photographed the demonstrators, the demonstrators and counter-demonstrators did not photograph each other (unless they were FBI or CIA agents disguised as demonstrators or protesters). http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/10/13/an-ill-wind-manhattans-muslim-day-parade-plus-much... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One woman, (who prefers to remain anonymous), a member of the LiberalHawks listserv group, was threatened by a Muslim man. He threatened to “rape her fifty times.” He, and several other men, walked right through the barrier that had been erected to separate the two groups. Muslim parade marchers also photographed the protesters–a method of intimidation, a threat that they are being watched and might be stalked or worse. The police ended up having to protect the small band of protesters. In my time, it was the police who photographed the demonstrators, the demonstrators and counter-demonstrators did not photograph each other (unless they were FBI or CIA agents disguised as demonstrators or protesters). <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/10/13/an-ill-wind-manhattans-muslim-day-parade-plus-much.." rel="nofollow">http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/10/13/an-ill-wind-manhattans-muslim-day-parade-plus-much..</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mahattan Muslim Pride Day?

Is that Muslims asserting their Humility, then?

&quot;Until our mosques dominate this place
We&#039;ll demonstrate in the public space
No prayers in private - too sincere -
We&#039;ll pray in public - it spreads more fear.
 
You Westerners must move aside
We&#039;ll pray in the street and show Muslim pride
So you see us, and show the proper respect
Due to the petro-dollar-funded-elect.
 
Our public displays of pious unity
And demands for tolerance and ecumenity
Do not mean that we must tolerate you
Or the un-Islamic things that you do.
 
After you submit, we&#039;ll tell you what&#039;s right,
And who&#039;s your friend and who you must fight
And how to keep honor - just lie and cover up
Until then, don&#039;t make jokes about belts that blow up!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mahattan Muslim Pride Day?</p>
<p>Is that Muslims asserting their Humility, then?</p>
<p>&#8220;Until our mosques dominate this place<br />
We&#8217;ll demonstrate in the public space<br />
No prayers in private &#8211; too sincere -<br />
We&#8217;ll pray in public &#8211; it spreads more fear.</p>
<p>You Westerners must move aside<br />
We&#8217;ll pray in the street and show Muslim pride<br />
So you see us, and show the proper respect<br />
Due to the petro-dollar-funded-elect.</p>
<p>Our public displays of pious unity<br />
And demands for tolerance and ecumenity<br />
Do not mean that we must tolerate you<br />
Or the un-Islamic things that you do.</p>
<p>After you submit, we&#8217;ll tell you what&#8217;s right,<br />
And who&#8217;s your friend and who you must fight<br />
And how to keep honor &#8211; just lie and cover up<br />
Until then, don&#8217;t make jokes about belts that blow up!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Not a Muslim!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not a Muslim!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tone it down a bit.  People were threatened? Did they report these threats to the NYPD, who were all around?  Did the wingnuts on your listserv notice the arts booths, the kids?  Yes, let&#039;s talk about the reality of Islam and the unnamed, secretive column of people within the community who have really bad intentions towards Americans and backwards ideas about their own people.  But there&#039;s no need to make stuff up and come off like you left your wide hood in the laundromat.  It sounds like a hysterical screed, ala old timey writings against &quot;Negroes.&quot;  I mean seriously -- the word of a taxi driver?  Give me a break.  This is why people like me -- truth seekers who are concerned about the impact of Islam on the United States and the West and who actually have real experience living in and traveling through Muslim countries -- have a hard time getting behind people like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tone it down a bit.  People were threatened? Did they report these threats to the NYPD, who were all around?  Did the wingnuts on your listserv notice the arts booths, the kids?  Yes, let&#8217;s talk about the reality of Islam and the unnamed, secretive column of people within the community who have really bad intentions towards Americans and backwards ideas about their own people.  But there&#8217;s no need to make stuff up and come off like you left your wide hood in the laundromat.  It sounds like a hysterical screed, ala old timey writings against &#8220;Negroes.&#8221;  I mean seriously &#8212; the word of a taxi driver?  Give me a break.  This is why people like me &#8212; truth seekers who are concerned about the impact of Islam on the United States and the West and who actually have real experience living in and traveling through Muslim countries &#8212; have a hard time getting behind people like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The intelligentsia are silent Phyllis because they are ignorant.  Intelligentsia is an inaccurate description of these pundits, writers and media folk.  You need to read Bernard Harrison&#039;s &quot;The Resurgence of Anti-Semitism” to get the answer to your question.  Bernard is not a Jew but a philosopher who analyses the rhetoric of the so called intelligentsia who are members of the anti war alliance whilst at the same time supporters of the Palestinians - odd collection of left and right you might think.  So don’t be amazed at the outcome of the Durban meeting or the pending UN resolution.  The Intelligentsia are party to these stupidities.   Vote McCain/Palin to ensure that Obama, another member of the &quot;intelligentsia&quot; you speak of, does not get to be President of the USA.  If this happens there won&#039;t only be jeering in the streets at protestors, protesting will be banned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The intelligentsia are silent Phyllis because they are ignorant.  Intelligentsia is an inaccurate description of these pundits, writers and media folk.  You need to read Bernard Harrison&#8217;s &#8220;The Resurgence of Anti-Semitism” to get the answer to your question.  Bernard is not a Jew but a philosopher who analyses the rhetoric of the so called intelligentsia who are members of the anti war alliance whilst at the same time supporters of the Palestinians &#8211; odd collection of left and right you might think.  So don’t be amazed at the outcome of the Durban meeting or the pending UN resolution.  The Intelligentsia are party to these stupidities.   Vote McCain/Palin to ensure that Obama, another member of the &#8220;intelligentsia&#8221; you speak of, does not get to be President of the USA.  If this happens there won&#8217;t only be jeering in the streets at protestors, protesting will be banned.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Freedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re watching the slow take-over of American democracy and ideals by Islamic theology. By first taking over the Middle East studies departments in our universities, and promoting anti-Israel and anti-Semitic propaganda, the Muslims, aided by ultra-liberal Americans, have invaded our country and are now openly and blatantly beginning to make their presence felt. The success of Barak Obama in his presidential pursuit has emboldened these anti-Americans. Should he win the election, and the Islamic take-over of America becomes more overt, people will ask, &quot;How did it happen?&quot; This is how it happened - by people ignoring obvious truths, and voices,like yours, Phyllis Chesler, being the voice of the prophet in the wilderness - usually maligned and ignored. History does repeat itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re watching the slow take-over of American democracy and ideals by Islamic theology. By first taking over the Middle East studies departments in our universities, and promoting anti-Israel and anti-Semitic propaganda, the Muslims, aided by ultra-liberal Americans, have invaded our country and are now openly and blatantly beginning to make their presence felt. The success of Barak Obama in his presidential pursuit has emboldened these anti-Americans. Should he win the election, and the Islamic take-over of America becomes more overt, people will ask, &#8220;How did it happen?&#8221; This is how it happened &#8211; by people ignoring obvious truths, and voices,like yours, Phyllis Chesler, being the voice of the prophet in the wilderness &#8211; usually maligned and ignored. History does repeat itself.</p>
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		<title>By: MG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Chester,

The answers to your closing questions are simple:

1.  The media rely upon access.  Publish unflattering stories about the sources, and voila, no access!

2.  Surely you are acquainted with Threepenny Opera?  The elites have always made excuses for people who should be hounded out of civil society.

The media and &quot;intelligentsia&quot; make common cause w/ totalitarians because the intelligentsia believe there is no Right or Wrong... only the pursuit and retention of Power.  And, many of them are totalitarians in their desires, too.  I should also note that they don&#039;t want to upset the violent ones.  

3.  All that is required to connect the dots is a desire to do so.  

A closing thought... be happy that many of the civil Republicans you encounter also are proficient at firearm usage.  The effete snobs on the Upper West Side are not... though they may employ some folks who are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Chester,</p>
<p>The answers to your closing questions are simple:</p>
<p>1.  The media rely upon access.  Publish unflattering stories about the sources, and voila, no access!</p>
<p>2.  Surely you are acquainted with Threepenny Opera?  The elites have always made excuses for people who should be hounded out of civil society.</p>
<p>The media and &#8220;intelligentsia&#8221; make common cause w/ totalitarians because the intelligentsia believe there is no Right or Wrong&#8230; only the pursuit and retention of Power.  And, many of them are totalitarians in their desires, too.  I should also note that they don&#8217;t want to upset the violent ones.  </p>
<p>3.  All that is required to connect the dots is a desire to do so.  </p>
<p>A closing thought&#8230; be happy that many of the civil Republicans you encounter also are proficient at firearm usage.  The effete snobs on the Upper West Side are not&#8230; though they may employ some folks who are.</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad Tepes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vlad Tepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to try and answer some questions posed here even if they are rhetorical.

&quot;There is no logical explanation for why the mainstream media and the intelligentsia are so silent about anti-Israel racism.&quot;

Actually there are several. As another poster beautifully stated, there is always a danger of fashion over content. Fashion is indeed a very powerful force.

But there are more reasons as well. For decades various groups have sought to create special status for themselves often for excellent reasons. But it really was a slippery slope. We moved from equal rights to special rights for groups based on race or even, as in the case of the Jews, on perception of race. This was still rational as Jews where widely discriminated against as if they where a race. So protection as such seemed necessary.

Two important shifts occurred, one which I already mentioned, from equal rights before the law to preferred status and rights at the expense of others. Affirmative action for example.

The second, the one which concerns me the most was the shift from defining a group based on a genetic tie that binds, one to which there is no choice and more importantly no other predictive quality other than gender or color to groups based on a tie that binds which is based on beliefs. In essence this means that a group can form, which is bent on the most abhorrent ideologies and get a pass from criticism or rightful prosecution and even persecution merely because it defines itself as a group, in the case of Islam, a religion. Somehow it became tantamount to racism to question or criticize it.

Typically I ask people where would Europe be now if Galileo had not ridiculed and published excellent works mocking the Medieval Catholic Church and its stance on scientific explanations of celestial mechanics? The irrational left is usually able to grasp that one.

In essence we created this problem by attempting to correct real and perceived historical injustices by sacrificing the most sacred core of liberal ideals. Free speech and true equality before the law and confusing the right to attack irrational authority be it religious or political with racial slander. 

To attack Israel as a nation did not used to be the same as attacking Jews. But that distinction was blurred by the enemies of the jews looking for a rhetorical device to bring the question of the right of jews to exist in a manner that was acceptable to secular leftists. This worked extremely well.

It will not be an easy road back to reason. One could argue the Greeks never recovered from barbarian invasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to try and answer some questions posed here even if they are rhetorical.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no logical explanation for why the mainstream media and the intelligentsia are so silent about anti-Israel racism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually there are several. As another poster beautifully stated, there is always a danger of fashion over content. Fashion is indeed a very powerful force.</p>
<p>But there are more reasons as well. For decades various groups have sought to create special status for themselves often for excellent reasons. But it really was a slippery slope. We moved from equal rights to special rights for groups based on race or even, as in the case of the Jews, on perception of race. This was still rational as Jews where widely discriminated against as if they where a race. So protection as such seemed necessary.</p>
<p>Two important shifts occurred, one which I already mentioned, from equal rights before the law to preferred status and rights at the expense of others. Affirmative action for example.</p>
<p>The second, the one which concerns me the most was the shift from defining a group based on a genetic tie that binds, one to which there is no choice and more importantly no other predictive quality other than gender or color to groups based on a tie that binds which is based on beliefs. In essence this means that a group can form, which is bent on the most abhorrent ideologies and get a pass from criticism or rightful prosecution and even persecution merely because it defines itself as a group, in the case of Islam, a religion. Somehow it became tantamount to racism to question or criticize it.</p>
<p>Typically I ask people where would Europe be now if Galileo had not ridiculed and published excellent works mocking the Medieval Catholic Church and its stance on scientific explanations of celestial mechanics? The irrational left is usually able to grasp that one.</p>
<p>In essence we created this problem by attempting to correct real and perceived historical injustices by sacrificing the most sacred core of liberal ideals. Free speech and true equality before the law and confusing the right to attack irrational authority be it religious or political with racial slander. </p>
<p>To attack Israel as a nation did not used to be the same as attacking Jews. But that distinction was blurred by the enemies of the jews looking for a rhetorical device to bring the question of the right of jews to exist in a manner that was acceptable to secular leftists. This worked extremely well.</p>
<p>It will not be an easy road back to reason. One could argue the Greeks never recovered from barbarian invasion.</p>
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		<title>By: massaraksh</title>
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		<dc:creator>massaraksh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cfbleachers:

Your feelings and thoughts are shared by plenty of Leftists, but unfortunately, only a few gather courage to express them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cfbleachers:</p>
<p>Your feelings and thoughts are shared by plenty of Leftists, but unfortunately, only a few gather courage to express them.</p>
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		<title>By: Wait is it New Yorkistan or Al Yorkdaluz?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wait is it New Yorkistan or Al Yorkdaluz?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From Pajama&#8217;s Media and written by Phyllis Chesler. There are many articles here by Chesler and all are well worth reading. Look for her online as well as she is one of the earliest and best writers on the anti jihad. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] From Pajama&#8217;s Media and written by Phyllis Chesler. There are many articles here by Chesler and all are well worth reading. Look for her online as well as she is one of the earliest and best writers on the anti jihad. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is most interesting:

&quot;Jesse Jackson: American Zionists Will Lose Clout Under Obama
More hope and change and anti-Zionism for America...
Considering all of Obama&#039;s mentors and spiritual guides including Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleger, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, and most of the socialists in his background are virulent anti-Semites, this news today really comes as no surprise.&quot;

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/jesse-jackson-american-zionists-will.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is most interesting:</p>
<p>&#8220;Jesse Jackson: American Zionists Will Lose Clout Under Obama<br />
More hope and change and anti-Zionism for America&#8230;<br />
Considering all of Obama&#8217;s mentors and spiritual guides including Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleger, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, and most of the socialists in his background are virulent anti-Semites, this news today really comes as no surprise.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/jesse-jackson-american-zionists-will.html" rel="nofollow">http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/jesse-jackson-american-zionists-will.html</a></p>
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