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Just today, as reported in the NY Times, a young woman who apparently had been raped was stoned to death in Somalia for adultery. This barbarism is always excused by the Western apologists for Islam as a “cultural phenomenon.” These incidents which occur with great frequency in Islamic countries should be widely noted in the media to alert those of us who live in the modern world of the danger in capitulating to Muslims in our countries whenever Muslims suggest that they should be allowed to enforce Sharia on their believers wherever they live. Unfortunately I fear that Phyllis and others who understand what is happening are not being heard.

For centuries, Christianity executed witches, not only in medieval Europe but even in Salem, Massachusetts. Christianity, like everything else, has evolved. Islam too will evolve. Unfortunately, it shows no signs of doing so in the near future. Perhaps the heroic people you have written about, like Nonie Darwish, can do something to speed up the process.

The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - Web Reconnaissance for 10/29/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day…so check back often.

I have no doubt that “similar/same forces of repression are already in the U.S. and using our laws of tolerance to advance the cause of intolerance.” And I’m sure they got the idea from our own, home-grown hate groups like the Klan, the Aryan Nation, and the Posse Comitatis, as well as local groups like the Oregon Citizens Alliance, all of which use U.S. laws to march through Jewish neighborhoods, stage anti-black/anti-Semitic rallies (featuring their own, hate-spewing rock groups)in public places, with-hold taxes and collect signitures for ballot initiatives that, if passed, would prevent gays from holding jobs, renting apartments, etc.

But, here’s a “funny” thing: whenever the Klan, the Aryans, the OCA, etc. stage one of their public gatherings, you can always count on a turnout of protesters so large that, in many cases, 500 cops are required to protect 50 racists, anti-Semites or homophobes from 1000 angry people who’d like to tear their heads off! Conversely, large gatherings of muslim extremeists (is there any other kind?) like the one Phyllis witnessed a couple of weeks ago (they were pretending to protest, if memory serves, the lack of space in their mosques), which even her muslim cab driver saw through (turned out to be an anti-American demonstration in disguise) goes unchallenged. We feel guilty if we challenge muslims about ANYTHING. “Well, it’s their religion, you know.” But, here’s news: America has forced religions to change their doctrine in the past. Mormons, for example, did not abandon polygamy by “divine revelation.” The revelation came when Washington started enforcing laws against bigamy with long prison sentences. American Hindus cannot marry their 14 year-old daughters off — even to 14 year-old boys — like they did in India. Why do we then even CONSIDER allowing muslims to live under a a body of laws seperate from the rest of us?

It’s time to clean house in America, folks. Immigrants who espouse anti-American doctrines (i.e., a doctrine that calls for the destruction of America) need to be deported, along with their entire families (uncles, aunts, cousins); naturalized citizens who do the same should be stripped of their citizenship and sent packing as well. Not much we can do about native borns, I’m afraid, other than keep an eye on them.

As for crimes against humanity in other countries — for that is what we’re really talking about here — I think a return to the old mind-set is required; the one we used when fighting Hitler 60 years ago. Back then, we didn’t say “we are fighting to bring democracy to Germany;” we said we were fighting to ensure the survival of civilization, of humanity, of common decency. I don’t know how many people really believe we can ever bring democracy to muslim countries; I certainly don’t think it will ever happen. But, we can still crush tyranny, wherever it resides. And, when we have crushed them, we can look to the Nuremburg trials for an example of what to do next.

November 6th would be a great day to start reminding our next president that we expect him to aggressively persue such a fight, to give notice to the world that a crime against humanity — regardless of the country in which it occurs or the citizenship of the victim — will be treated as a crime against America, and dealt with accordingly. We have long portrayed ourselves as (in the late folksinger Phil Ochs’ phrase) the “cops of the world;” let’s start acting like it!

Oh, and we can send him copies of Phyllis’ and Bat Yeor’s books, too (maybe one of his aids will read them!).

Dear George Jochnowitz …

I fear that Islam is not “evolving” but mutating. The veil wasn’t in wide use in Islamic societies until the 10th century, and the veil itself (see Dr. Cig on this) has its origins as the headdress worn by the temple harlots in Sumeria. When Dr. Cig, now 92 years old, pointed that out in a recent book, a Turkish Islamist charged her with “insulting Turkishness” only because “insulting the Islamic male’s sense of superiority by challenging his total control of women using the Qur’an to do it” is not yet on the books in Turkey.

So what happened to Dr. Cig? Well, she arrived at court with 100 lawyers to defend her, and the suit was dropped. But what was going on here is that even freedom of speech as regards any challenge with regard to Islam is under constant assault.

What’s indicated by Chesler’s statement that Islamic women in the West are veiling as a form of in-your-face support of jihad is that Islam isn’t evolving, it’s mutating into what I call a POLIGION. We used to have those. The Roman Catholic Church used to be a poligion, both religious and legal authority. The Enlightenment, in some ways, was about breaking the bonds between church and state so that civil authority could guarantee human rights, whether the church like it or not.

In the early-to-mid 20th century, there was as massive move in the Middle East toward rights-based constitutional state authority. One state after another — Egypt, Afghanistan, Turkey, Lebanon, et al. — adopted Western-based constitutions (mostly Belgian so that they could keep their monarchies). The Iranian constitution of 1920 gave women equal rights. The Egyptian nationalist movement of 1899 was chaired by an imam who believed women should have equal rights and its ideologues (Islamic to the last) favored the unveiling of women. In the 1950s, Zahir Shah, then king of Afghanistan gave women full equal rights, because, he said, it was the “right thing to do.”

What you are seeing now is a REACTION to the freedom of women as much as it is a reaction to the State of Israel’s breaking of the Dar al-Islam vs. Dar al-Harb rules of ownership of land (and soul and spirit and women and everything else).

So, Islam isn’t transforming. And the American Muslim community — bent on political clout, seeking opportunistic advantage at every turn — is one of the worst offenders. Nearly 80% Wahhabi-controlled, mosques in this country preach hatred, and attendees seem perfectly happy with that. As Pipes and Duran point out, the American Muslim community is the most male-populous of any religious or ethnic group in the country. Because Muslim women can’t marry outside the faith without being declared an apostate and murdered, competition for Muslim husbands is fierce, and one form of that female competition comes by wearing the veil and become ever-so holier-than-thou both with Muslim sisters and the non-Muslim American female. So this “Islamic Headscarf Billboarding” — as I call it — is done at the behest of men with the consent of women who have multiple motivations, almost based either on ignorance of what the faith actually required in his ORIGINAL form or on negatives: competition, hostility, political and social intimidation, and the like.

Now, Stephen Schwartz has just published a new book touting Sufism as the possible replacement for all this, and he harkens back to Al-Ghazali’s pluralism. But the pitfall here is that Al-Ghazali is also the author of much of the anti-woman ideology existing in all Islam today.

And that brings me (tangentially, for sure) to my point here: Even in the most liberal reform movements in Islam, THE ONE THING THEY WILL NEVER TOUCH IS WOMEN’S SUBJUGATION, because if you do that, you are immediately declared an apostate from Islam, and you have a price on your head.

The control of women is one of the major goals of all reactionary forms of Islam: Salafism, Wahhabism, Talebanism. And the rights of women are the sacrifice made by everyone in their attempt to appease the slide of Islam into total other-warfare, culturecide, and genocide: The Vatican allies with the OIC to prevent the adoption of CEDAW in its full form. The USA sold out women in both Iraq and Afghanistan by allowing “repugnancy” clauses in both constiution and establishing gender minimums in Iraq — at 25%, not the 53% women make up of the country’s population, there by LIMITING women to numbers that ensure they cannot gain control of any committees and cannot ever becoming an equal voting membership in the country’s government. The UN does it by allowing the UN Human Rights Commission to pass resolutions banning discussion of anything to do with religion … so FGM (mandatory in Sunni Shafi’i Islam), child marriage, polygamy, unequal laws for sexual crimes, sexual criminology itself, forced marriage, wife-beating, wife-burning, honor murder, and the like cannot be discussed at the most pre-eminent human rights council in the world, the only one that might have the clout actually to make something stick. Pakistan made a deal with the warlords in Waziristan to allow extreme shari’a law, which is almost 100% aimed at making women sacrificial lambs in every sense of the word: sexual, social, educational, marital, medical, familial, religious.

So, who gets sacrificed? Women. Always women.

It takes courage, even when the odds are good, to stand up against powerful oppressors. It is damned heroic to do it when the odds are against us, as they are in this huge reactionary drift into an ideology that is, if anything, WORSE than it was in the Prophet’s time.

So, hats off to Sultan, Darwish, Chesler et al. They are amazing.

Ms. Chesler,

Multiculturalism, relativism, nihilism, etc. are products of academia, not the disparaged folks of fly-over country. Academia (esp. in certain colleges) have renounced American exceptionalism, or universal rights for individual humans.

What is left, once one renounces universal standards of human rights? Nothing but the pursuit, expoitation, and retention of power.

“Progressives” don’t seek progress — if progress means liberating people from subjugation by the state. “Liberals” seek state-backed control over others. Both groups seek power.

The demonstrated “will to power” examples you recount inspire deep admiration in these folks, not disgust.

Remember…. for “progressives”, Orwell’s 1984 is not a cautionary playbook — it is a operator’s manual.

I admire anyone who stands against tyranny, but I believe Muslims in particular who stand against Islamic tyranny are truly the bravest of the brave-may they blessed to see the fruits of their efforts: peace, justice and merciful Truth, speedily in their day.
I think the”progressives” are against the tyranny of Christianity and in the process have capitulated to the tyranny of Islam.
There is a tyranny to Christianity (or as some call it Judeo /Christianity) .
I grew up to the fanatical cries of “baby killer”. I have been told over and over in myriad ways that WOMAN matters less than a fertilized human egg. I see people who have more compassion and mercy for a single fertilized human egg than for ALL the suffering of WOMAN in this world. And now suddenly these same people care and are talking about women’s rights?
They now like to say “where are the feminists” when confronted with FGM. Well where the hell were you?! I learned about FGM years ago-and not in the Conservative digest
Woman hatred and Jew hatred fills the air in this country - where no small proportion of people commit Holocaust minimization on a daily basis and do it in the name of G-d . They may not physically mutilate women, but they mutilate our souls. I will NEVER believe that a woman who uses an IUD is just the same as a nazi. I will NEVER ignore women who die from illegal abortions as if dead women are not even “LIVES” that count or matter. I will NEVER condemn and ignore a woman as “guilty” and deserving of death without even a trial for the “crime” of killing a fertilized human egg. And unlike the late mother Theresa I don’t think six million dead fertilized human eggs is worse than the Holocaust because the eggs are “innocent” .
If I am ever faced with a moral decision to save the life of a pregnant woman or a billion fertilized eggs from getting sloughed of uterine walls-I will be sure to save the woman first and foremost. Because her life takes precedence. Once you sacrifice the born to save the unborn-you are no longer pro-life . You will NEVER arrive at TRUE sanctity of life by stepping over the corpse of even ONE woman!
And the so called “peace” people will never arrive at true peace by supporting the unceasing assault against the one Jewish country on this planet. They are not propeace anymore than prolifers are prolife!

Politically there’s a conflation of Christianity Capitolism and Democracy-I am not politically astute but I would think these things need to be separated and distinctions made. Likewise Islam and Socialism and Communism and the good fight against racism are jumbled together.

I think Islamic tyranny is like a parasite on the fight against racism and it’s gotten to where any criticism of Islam is greeted with cries of “racist” “racist”. And these same people go on an on about how Jews have the temerity to cry “Jew hatred” in the face of their “legitimate” (and incessant) criticisms of Israel. They loove to mock the Jews and our tendency to “cry holocaust” at the drop of pin. And like the prolifers they have their own holocaust theory only it’s not women who are the nazi’s it’s the Jews- perpetrating a holocaust on so called palestinians. Well isn’t that special.

So it’s like-whatever. We care about what we care about and see what we want to see.
The woman haters don’t see the female they look right through her like she’s invisible as they contemplate the fertilized egg like it’s creation ex nihlo gazing reverently at the little starman fetus. If they pried their eyes off the all important fetus for a millisecond they might SEE what actually going on in this world. Bile spewing hatred of THE FEMALE EVERYWHERE. Likewise if the peace people would pry their eyes off of Israel for a millisecond they likewise might see what is actually going on in this world-growing Jew hatred.
But people don’t care because they think it has nothing to do with them. OR they enjoy pseudo moral superiority and cheap refried mcgoodness of pointing their fingers and women or Jews and calling us “nazis”.

If Jews are the canaries in the coal mine-woman ARE the coal mine. Where you stand with woman is where you stand my friends -be afraid be very afraid.

Christianity is NOT the same as Democracy. The “prolifers” are already discussing whether women should be jailed (for using an IUD?)or just jail the abortion providers. In Colorado they want to make The Pill illegal-it’s murder too you betcha. There is potential scary stuff happening right here on American soil- only Republicans don’t give a hoot about that- because suddenly they are VERY VERY concerned about FGM. Hmph!

AS a feminist, I don’t have a problem with the veil-I support religious freedom-you want to wear the veil go ahead. What I have a problem with is THE HAND throwing the rock at the women for NOT wearing the veil!!! (or the shteible)
OR the hands that would force me or anyone else to wear the veil.
OR the hands that would FORCE a woman to undergo FGM/
Or would FORCE a woman to bear a rapists child against her will, or would FORCE her to risk death in childbirth because …the unborn have equal “right to life”. So there you go-next thing they’ll be giving zygotes the right to vote .
I will not hold woman to an ungodly inhumane standard of “perfect” nonviolence any more than I would hold the Jewish people to an ungodly inhuman standard of “perfect” non violence. I support the most basic human right-the right to be a HUMAN and to make mistakes and be imperfect.
As a feminist I even support women’s rights to be horrible bile spewing woman haters while at the same time I fight against woman hatred-such is life’s paradox’s.

Anyway sorry for the rant- I hope all the TRUE freedom fighters will get together regardless of race creed etc. and achieve TRUE peace and life.

“There’s no such thing as life without bloodshed, I think the notion that the species can be improved in some way, that everyone could live in harmony, is a really dangerous idea. Those who are afflicted with this notion are the first ones to give up their souls, their freedom. Your desire that it be that way will enslave you and make your life vacuous.”
- Cormac McCarthy
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/04/19/books/mccarthy-venomous.html?ex=1225598400&en=05f3cb8ac0811e64&ei=5070

If God meant to interfere in the degeneracy of mankind would he not have done so by now? Wolves cull themselves, man. What other creature could? And is the race of man not more predacious yet? The way of the world is to bloom and to flower and die but in the affairs of men there is no waning and the noon of his expression signals the onset of night. His spirit is exhausted at the peak of its achievement. His meridian is at once his darkening and the evening of his day. He loves games? Let him play for stakes. This you see here, these ruins wondered at by tribes of savages, do you not think that this will be again? Aye. And again. With other people, with other sons.
-The Judge

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