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1. Pajamas Media » Holy Land Foundation Defendants Found Guilty in Dallas:

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Nov 24, 2008 - 5:54 pm 2. Dave:

Nice. We should all be watching closely to be sure Obama keeps the fight against terrorism a priority. We all know he has a blind spot for terror apologists like Khalidi. (Not to mention actual terrorists like Ayers.)

Nov 24, 2008 - 6:44 pm 3. David P:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2295792449224502914

Terrorists who can’t raise monies in America will find other ways, Israel has bigger problems……Like Iran, Could they do it again?

Nov 24, 2008 - 7:50 pm 4. Shef Rogers:

The trial was a huge, expensive farce. The court allowed testimony by anonymous Israeli government agents who were thus immune to perjury charges. The “rule of law” was the biggest victim in the case, and this ridiculous Texas verdict is absolutely certain to be overturned on appeal. Enjoy it while it lasts, if this travesty is the sort of thing you enjoy.

Nov 24, 2008 - 7:52 pm 5. Robert:

I saw the photos of that, and they were staged. But i also agree that both sides are guilty of that as well, and as far as what the muslims supposedly took from the jews, well, thats up for debate, as they themselves have no ground to stand on in that regard as well, from what they themselves have taken from muslims.

I think it ridiculas, as somehow both sides seem to be benefiting somehow from it in the political arena as to world public opinion, and how that has shaped the directions our own nation has taken.

And really, what had helped to propel Obama into the president elect spot. Obamas jewish supporters on one side, and the American muslim votes Obama had garnered from it all as well. There is a connection somehow.

Anyway, the west has been lied to by both the muslims, and jews. So your right in that it really is a traversity of law, which has nothing to do with justice.

Nov 24, 2008 - 8:25 pm 6. Instapundit » Blog Archive » PHYLLIS CHESLER ON the Holy Land Foundation verdict….:

[...] PHYLLIS CHESLER ON the Holy Land Foundation verdict. [...]

Nov 24, 2008 - 8:30 pm 7. Tom the Redhunter:

Oh really, Shef? Sorry your friends are going to jail.

No, this is a win for the good guys. I just hope that it causes more Muslims in the U.S. and around the world to open their eyes to what is going on.

I’m not going to hold my breath, though.

Nov 24, 2008 - 8:47 pm 8. Benson:

Since I am not a lawyer, I am unable to respond intelligently to Shef Rogers’s (absurd-sounding) claim that anonymous witnesses can commit perjury without fear of consequences. True? And a basis for appeal? Any legal types care to elucidate?

Nov 24, 2008 - 9:09 pm 9. Blogs For Victory » Palestinian Terrorist Support Group Guilty:

[...] verdict at last regarding the Holy Land Foundation: On the very day, November 24, 2008, that the United Nations spent all day and countless sums of [...]

Nov 24, 2008 - 9:36 pm 10. james Boyd:

“One wonders why five Palestinians chose to set up shop in Dallas, Texas?”

At least I didn’t have to read more than one or two paragraphs into your piece of non-reportage to arrive at hard-earned racism. So what if some palestinians want to exist in Dallas. A more pertinent question: if a bunch of palestinians wanted to set up shop to FINANCE TERROR, why would they do it in Dallas?

“When this connection is made we will see the return of a guilty verdict. In future [terrorism financing] cases DOJ will not only have to connect the financial dots but [will have] to demonstrate an overarching common Islamist mission.”

And here we get to the thick of the issue: Will our criminal justice system rely on real evidence instead of hearsay? If so, these people would not have been convicted. But since a connection was made (tenuous, at best) between them and another NON-TERRORIST organization that itself half-supports jihad, well, then, off with their heads.

Guilt by association remains a motive common to both savages in the middle east and imbecilic conservatives in middle America. Some congratulations are in order to you all, for maintaining the stock of homo neanderthalis against the erstwhile yet inevitably evil advances of intellectualism and the rule of law.

Nov 24, 2008 - 9:48 pm 11. Tom Paine:

James Boyd (#10) — Did someone declare this National Bloviation Day and not tell me?

If you said anything intelligent, it got lost in your bigoted drivel about “racism” and “off with their heads” and “savages” and “imbecilic conservatives”.

Try not to be such a self-righteous twit — if that’s even possible for you.

Nov 24, 2008 - 11:20 pm 12. Benson:

Guilt by association is an invalid argument that is unlikely to survive even briefly in any US courtroom, and certainly can’t convict anyone in a prolonged, high-profile trial like this one.

Again: comment from a lawyer, please, on those anonymous witnesses (see #8).

Nov 25, 2008 - 12:16 am 13. Kevin:

Finally an editorial with a fair and balanced view of events devoid of any racial overtones. You’d get top dollar for penning articles like this in some isolated parts of the Middle-East.

Nov 25, 2008 - 6:14 am 14. Krista Cole:

Little of what you’ve stated in this blog is factual about Palestinians. Did they really belong in Egypt of other Arab countries, as you claim? Any of you interested in the truth need to read Edward Said (a Christian Palestinian), who grew up in a country called “Palestine.” After reading that, you will better understand why Palestinians fight Israel, and no it is not all down to anti-Semitism. After you finish with that book, try to fly to Palestine to see for yourself what is going on… oh, sorry, you can’t do that, as Israel doesn’t allow anyone into the territories without special reason or perission. Why are Western Journalists being killed in Palestine by Israeli soldiers? Just tell me why, if what you say is so true. I don’t even think you believe yourself.

Nov 25, 2008 - 6:29 am 15. George:

This verdict only shows that America is still a zionist occupied territory… Pilitical, economic, financial, and social occupation…

the iraq war which America have spent billions of dollars and thousands of American lives is an israeli war fought by america…

Zionists are looting america and depriving american babies of basic needs…

America’s infra structure is deteriorating because of zinoists looting of america…

Thousands of american veterans are homeless while zionist loot america….

There isn’t a case of corruption in our government without finding zionists behind it…

Nov 25, 2008 - 6:35 am 16. Holy Land Foundation trial ends in guilty verdict for all 5 defendants « HoodaThunk?:

[...] Land Foundation trial ends in guilty verdict for all 5 defendants Pajamas Media has the story in this column by Phyllis [...]

Nov 25, 2008 - 6:41 am 17. Jollyroger:

Once again the pro zionist media spews forth their vomit. Israel is the problem in the middle east not the Palestinians, not the the Syrians, not the lebanese, it is Israel and always has been Israel.
Israel is NOT a jewish state. Is a zionist state dedictaed to th destruction of ALL non jews including afore mentioned peoples. The zionists consider all goyim to be less than animals and that includes all christians as well.
The authors condemnation of the Palestinians proves he/she is in perfect lockstep with the zionist propaganda machine.
It is Israel who is to blame for the misery and the wanton murder of tens of thousands innocent Palestinians since the day the zionist took Palestine.
need I remind you all here that the jewish terrorist group, Irgun was responsible for the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jeruselem which murdered nearly 90 British soldiers and officers. It was Irgun who wantonly murdered innocent men, women and children as well as pregnant women in the small villages in Palestine.
No, don,t just condemn those terrorists from one side of the equation only. Israel has commited more than its share of terrorism including the vicious and murderous attack on the U.S.S. Liberty.
If anyone believes Israel is our friend and ally, well then you’ve got a real date with a reality check.

Nov 25, 2008 - 6:44 am 18. willis:

“The “rule of law” was the biggest victim in the case, and this ridiculous Texas verdict.”

Your team lost Shef, and they will continue to lose. We, who defend and promote freedom, do so slowly out of respect for the freedoms of even terrorists, such as your group. But eventually we get there, because people the world over really do want to be free.

Nov 25, 2008 - 6:45 am 19. Jon Wymer:

First of all, if I were a fund raiser for a cause like destroying the State of Israel, I would also set up shop in cities, like Dallas or Houston, that have large, wealthy Jewish populations. I would then proceed to attempt to fool them into donating to a fake cause that, in reality, is seeking their demise. Then I would laugh all the way to the “bank” that they were funding their own destruction. How wonderfully ironic.

Now, back to reality. I spent about seven years of my youth growing up in the Middle East. I attended the American school outside Cairo, and my mother was head of the music department there. She and I are American citizens, both born and raised in the USA. At that time, shortly after the October, 1973 war between Egypt and Israel, emotions among the common Egyptian citizen ran pretty high concerning the October War. I found that, as Americans in Egypt, we were often unfairly “tied” to the fact our government back in the States had pretty much funded the Israeli portion of the conflict. I’m thankful to this day that the Egyptian government didn’t have a policy of “guilt by association” or of randomly arresting and prosecuting anyone with ties to the U.S. government.

Which leads to my second point … the Egyptian government would have had a much better case for prosecuting me under those circumstances then prosecutors had against the members of the Holy Land Foundation. Perhaps, as the U.S. government did against Al Capone, tax-evasion would have been a much more realistic and “honest” charge against these guys. It certainly would have been far easier to prove. Couple that charge with circumstantial ties to terrorism, and then you have a good case.

Thirdly, it’s alarming to me that “terrorism” could become the new “domestic abuse/domestic violence” charge in America. Please do not misunderstand … domestic abuse and violence is deplorable and those guilty of it should be punished. However, the legal system has gone WAY overboard with the abuse issue. All someone has to do is point a finger at you and say “he hurt me.” If that happens, you are “screwed.” And you are definitely guilty until proven innocent when it comes to domestic violence, especially if you’re a male accused of it. This situation has been the greatest travesty in the history of our justice system.

Until terrorism.

Now, it seems, you don’t even need to reveal your identity at all. You can remain anonymous, point the finger at someone, say the word “terrorist” and that’s it. You’re “screwed.” It’s frightening to me that, just maybe, in all the tens of thousands of various Arab people I had contact with in the Middle East, there may have been someone, ANYONE, that someone could even remotely tie to “terrorism.” And if I accidentally, unknowingly had contact with such a person, am I then guilty of “associating with terrorists” or something just as ludicrous? I would hope not.

We, as a country, need to do everything possible to protect our citizens and all U.S. territory. We need to continue to have a strong, proactive approach to protecting against terroristic acts, and to stopping the flow of financial resources to terroristic organizations.

However, we, as a people and as a nation, need to protect against allowing any level of our government to engage in “witch hunts” or the like. We need to make certain that words like “terrorism” and “terrorist” do not take over as the new buzz-words. We need to make certain we do not repeat mistakes of the past, such as putting Americans of Japanese descent into prison camps during WW2, or burning women at the stake in the 1300 - 1800’s for being witches, bitches or whatever else they were accused of. We need to make certain one cannot merely point a finger and say “he’s a terrorist” or “he hurt me” and then be guilty until proven innocent.

One thing is certain. We all need to be very careful, not only of what we do, but of what we say, and whom we accuse of wrong-doing. I don’t think any of us really want to face it, but it’s true … we’re only “free” until they tell us we’re not free anymore. In England they say “God save the Queen,” while we say “God bless America.” Is it time to begin saying “God Save America” instead?

Nov 25, 2008 - 6:51 am 20. John Galt:

Wow!

The jihadists and their useful idiots are really out in force with this blog. I will not waste time attempting to evaluate the content of their arguments (few bothered to make a semi-cogent one), but my BS detector is hitting the red zone.

Nov 25, 2008 - 7:05 am 21. NorthernUK:

This article is zionist murderers propaganda perpetuating well trodden myths about Palestinian freedom fighters. Hamas is not a terrorist organisation although, to their credit, they try to resist the brutal occupation the people find themselves subjected to. All Hamas did to get itself labelled “terrorist” was to get legitimately and democratically elected to power, against the wishes of the occupying israeli army. Whoever wrote this drivel should be prosecuted for a religious/racist hate crime.

Nov 25, 2008 - 7:11 am 22. Lynn:

The wheels of justice rolling onward. To all the Americans who are fighting the War on Terror on all the fronts, at home and abroad, thank you.

Nov 25, 2008 - 7:37 am 23. asdf:

Shef Rogers & NorthernUK

You are either a good muslim soldiers or a dhimmis. Either way you are a tards and terrorist sympathisers. Islam is a death cult which abuses children.

Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil. - Thomas Mann

Nov 25, 2008 - 7:37 am 24. Dan Parker:

I visited Bethlehem in the West Bank last December. I didn’t need any special permission, but I did need an Arab tourist guide, since my Israeli guide was not allowed over there, probably for his own safety. What I saw was appalling squalor and poverty in what, only a few years ago (before Intifada) was a thriving community. My Arab guide told me part of the reason - after the start of the second Intifada, the Israelis fired all their Arab domestics and laborers and brought in Christians from as far away as the Phillipines - presumably on the theory they would not include any suicide bombers. Meanwhile, wealthy “Palestinian” Arabs around the world pour millions into Gaza and the West Bank, but to all appearances the poor Arabs there don’t see a penny. One supposes Ms. Chesler is right - it goes to propaganda and to recruiting / training terrorists.

Nov 25, 2008 - 7:40 am 25. Sara:

Read “The Terrorist Hunter”

Nov 25, 2008 - 7:53 am 26. FDR:

Can’t we all just get along? In the end, God will judge all of us the same way and we will not be able to wiggle away with worthless rhetoric, smug, arrogant intellectualism or even blatant lies. When face to face with the creator of the Universe, we will all have to answer for our sins. But remember one thing - that the same Holy God who will judge us has made it clear that Israel = HIS PEOPLE. Think about it.

Nov 25, 2008 - 8:15 am 27. Big B:

sounds to me like, in most cases, that truth has no chance in todays America You try to distroy me with rockets and I soot back all at once i am the problem??? dah!!!

Nov 25, 2008 - 8:55 am 28. always right:

I (especially) hate it, whenever this kind of thing happens, media ALWAYS shows the ‘devastating or distraught’ family of the defendants found guilty. Mostly moooslem women weeping and wailing.

HELLO, can’t Pamjama Media at least show (or linked to) the true victims? You know, the pictures of the suicide bombing sites, the faces of the innocent muslims (and/or others) just going about their everyday business?

And a wee bit attempt to make the case that ‘charitable donations’ these defendants channel for its real use?

Nov 25, 2008 - 8:59 am 29. Stephen:

Zionist Propaganda, Zionist Media, Zionist looting, Zionist Murderers, Zionist American Government…. It’s nice to know that you’ve all been reading Mien Kampf and applying it to the modern world. Its truly sad that Nazism isn’t dead, and that it thrives in the political left and among the conspiracy theorists and hate-mongers. All the old ‘Jewish Conspiracies’ are out in full force and just like with Hitler, you blame the Jews for all of your problems. And these are the people who talk about ‘change’? The hypocrisy is astounding.

Some of you say that Israel is the problem….however what do you think would happen if somehow Israel was removed? First the Arab Muslims would assault the native Arab Christians to the point of destroying all that is left of their nearly 2,000 year old communities. They have already succeeded in forcing 2/3 of them to flee the Middle East. And then what? Attacks against the Kurds, Turks and Persians. Israel is only the ‘problem’ because its what the Muslim world is united against at the moment.

As for Lebanon, its problem is in that it is not the Arab Christian state it was set up to be. Initially over half Christian, due to wars with Syria including the occupation of well over half the country by Syria, combined with the Muslim population explosion, Arab Christians have dropped to being only 1/3 of the population. This has lead to destabilization as various factions fight for power. The sad thing is that there are over 1,500,000 Arab Christians in Syria and an additional 250,000 in Jordan who have no state, and that there is no population exchange to make Lebanon a stable Arab Christian state.

As for the problems facing the Palestinian Arabs, the author of the article hit it right on the nose. None of the people in question are given homes and absorbed in neighboring countries, they are all in ‘refugee camps’ and living under miserable conditions. The political leaders of the Palestinian territories are more concerned with going in line with the Islamic world’s point of view than in establishing some sort of peace agreement.

If you read history, you’ll know that the original ‘partition’ of the British mandate of Palestine was accepted by the Jews but rejected by the Muslims, leading to war to which the Jews emerged victorious and subsequently enlarged their territory, nothing unusual. You’ll also know that all of the Middle Eastern wars involving Israel were started by its Muslim neighbors with the single goal of destroying it. You’ll also know that Israel has been extremely generous with regard to the outcome of those wars. If it wanted, it could have annexed the Sinai peninsula, the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights making them all part of a Jewish state and limiting or even abolishing autonomy, let alone the thought of creating a separate state. However it didn’t, the Sinai was returned to Egypt while local rule was ultimately permitted in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Israel had no reason to do this, especially given the motives of its neighbors, except to be on moral high ground.

As for the refugees, again Israel could take the high road and offer monetary compensation if the governments holding them in ‘refugee camps’ would settle them as ordinary citizens while at the same time, giving up all claims for compensation for the property seized by the Arab countries when they expelled their Jewish communities.

As for a ‘Palestinian country,’ there wasn’t one. It was part of the Roman Empire, later Byzantium, then conquered by the Arab Caliphate in the 7th century. From this it passed to the rulers of Egypt in the 11th century, which was eventually conquered by the Mamelukes in the 13th century, and finally by the Ottoman Empire in the 16th century, where it remained until 1918 when it became a British mandate. That mandate was split in half, the eastern part becoming Jordan and being closed to Jewish settlement while the western half was aloud Jewish settlement. When first acquired by the British, it was sparsely populated and generally poor. As you can see, there was no ‘Palestinian State’ or even concept of one until 1918, although even then it was thought to simply be part of a greater Arab state.

Now I’m not going to argue that the current situation isn’t fair. It isn’t. In some manner the West Bank and Gaza should be connected territorially while Jerusalem, the ‘city of the Jews’ should be wholly in Jewish hands. Would the Muslim world allow the partition of Mecca or Medina or the Christian (rather Catholic) world the division of the Vatican? Of course not. At the same time both sides should take an interest in the settlement of refugees and their economic well being, however that requires effort from both sides. Historically speaking the Jews have been far more willing to seek peace than their Muslim counterparts.

Nov 25, 2008 - 9:25 am 30. Rebekah:

To all of us; What we all need to be doing is praying for mercy. Our world is dying before our very eyes. Jesus is the only I repeat the only hope for us.If you think that I speak from a lifetime of Christian doctrine or that as I write this I can quote many scriptures you would be wrong. However Jesus has spoken to me and He is coming. It is not a day I pray for because in His word it is written woe unto the man who prays for the day of the Lord. Amos chapter five verse 18 I know this verse because the Lord Jesus opened it up to me. You may think I am just another crazy but one day you will say she told the truth. I used to believe that maybe there were many ways to God in that I was so wrong. There is one way, one hope and one truth his name is Jesus! He has seen everything under the sun it is my prayer that we all get right with Jesus before it is too late. If you saw what he shows me in my dreams you would not pray for anything but mercy. Be careful of who you curse and pray God will intervene here at home in the U.S. needs much prayer if we do not turn back to God disaster is coming. Pray for our leaders and our enemies these are the world changing prayers. Prayer can change God’s mind. Otherwise soon He will come and it will be utter terror and darkness. What He spoke in His word is the truth and it is the only truth.If you knew where God brought me from you would believe my cries to Him ‘why me Lord? Then why not me God is not dependent on any man and He chooses whom He wishes to choose. All things are possible with God.

Nov 25, 2008 - 10:18 am 31. iconoclast:

Robert’s absolutely absurd relativist claim that “both sides do it” is the ultimate escape from responsibility–moral cowardice. The Arabs terrorists and dictators have created the situation, not Israel. Arabs “refugees”, forced to live in camps by their own co-religionists, continue to attack Israel. Not the other way around.

And dupes in the West like Robert accept the lies of the Arabs in order to escape having to actually take sides.

Nov 25, 2008 - 10:21 am 32. WestGuard:

Well! It’s about time! Bravo for the good guys!!! Let’s hope they bulldoze the Unholyland building along with these scum. If Westerners did this in a muzzy country they would be executed on the spot for treason. Hopefully the judge will throw the koran at them and give them at least 20 years. Now if we can only get our government to stop giving our legitimate tax dollars to terrorist palestine as well.

Nov 25, 2008 - 10:32 am 33. Louis Santacroce:

Why Dallas? Why Utica, New York, where a Palestinian doctor was convicted of the same thing a couple of years ago. Why? Because the whole point of terrorism is to create terror, and what better way to do that than to promulgate violence in a place not nessessarily associated with moslems? And, while we’re at it, show me Palestine on a map! No, sorry, that’s Israel you’re pointing to.

Nov 25, 2008 - 10:52 am 34. Tajudeen Ade-Jamiu:

Sincerely speaking, I’m sick of all these name branding, Activist, Terrorist, Patriot, Freedom Fighters and the likes. I believe in unbiased and clear dispensation of law and justice, people fighting for there right to live in their motherland should not be tagged with negative names of any type, nor should these people use an unacceptable means to justify fighting for their own existence and sovereignty. Israel have the right to live and exist in their motherland as well as the Palestine. My greatest concern is how is it possible to separate this region into two separate sovereign states with West Bank at one end and the Gaza strip at the other end? My suggestion is for the UN, the US and the warring parties (Israel and Palestine) to come up with a new name for the region to be called and be one family. For the sake of peace, either party should accept each other because the land belong to both. The leaders of these two parties must swallow the bitter pile for a new down.

Nov 25, 2008 - 11:33 am 35. Michael:

Hmm, looks like a number of posters are eager for a “final solution”. I wouldn’t have thought so many still agreed with Hitler.

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Nov 25, 2008 - 12:05 pm 37. wassom:

Amen Rebekah. We are living in the final days. God will reveal himself mightily. Israel is the chosen people. Unfortunately, the world doesn’t see it that way.
Terror(ism)is the definition, to me, the total opposite of God. It’s a spiritual battle between good and evil. That’s why diplomacy; and treaties and peace talks; borders, just won’t work. Only the one and only true God will bring Peace with him when He comes. Pray for Jerusalem and America.

Nov 25, 2008 - 1:09 pm 38. fred lapides:

I am delighted to see that a mere mention of the Middle east continues to bring out all this bellicose commentary, for or against a legitimate state. Noqw if Israel is not deserving of a state, in land that had NO STATE there previously, then so too the US does not deserve to exist.

That Hamas was voted in democratically is true. So, too, Hitler’s Germany.

But all this aside, it is sure a far remove to jump from the M.E,. to Obama! how the right continues to wallow in its major loss.

Nov 25, 2008 - 1:21 pm 39. Tante Waileka:

The one ‘holy god’ said that jews were his ‘favored people’? Oh? No matter how atrociously Israeli’s treat their fellow arabs (they are, after all, arabs, call em semites if you want to).

So I do not ‘believe’ that ‘god’ said ‘jews are my people, ppl, treat ‘em well. I think god would expect all people to be treated well, and yet, and YET, ISRAEL has the LARGEST stockpile of chem weapons in the WORLD (syria, I admit, is #2). Unless you worked in the chem weapon field, as I did, you might actually think that anthrax is a chem weapon (hardeeharhar) or that chem weapons are not WMD, but they are indeed exactly that.

hmmm. Actually the USA has the largest stockpile of chem weapons in the world, then Israel, then Syria.

As for ‘answering for our sins’ I think we already do that WHILE WE ARE ALIVE ON EARTH. Sins indeed! Life is difficult and then you die and death is a BIG relief! We all know it too. Who’d want to ‘go on’ into the ‘heaven’ and sing praises to god surrounded with other human beings doing the same thing?? Certainly not me. People are disgusting animals and do not deserve to inherit the earth OR continue on ‘forever’ in ‘heaven’. yucky yuck yuck!!!

Nov 25, 2008 - 1:57 pm 40. Robert:

#31 Iconoclast.

Your #1 point that i would like to say is revelant to myself, is that i am a ‘western civ’ person. I don’t accept the lies from either side of that conflict, nor what they prose as truth. Or from either sides American supporters, to garner support for them.

It is in fact, no westerners responsibility at all. I am an American, and i don’t like my nation being used by either party’s people here who are involved, to solve their own problems useing my nation.

As far as the point you made about how the muslims treat their own, the jewish are no better in that either. My morals apply to my own, not them. The only cowardice involved is yours, in that you can safely write what you did without punishment from me by trampling my honor.

Speaking of which, neither side involved in that conflict has any. So go spout your retoric to someone who cares.

Your charges leave me utterly unmoved.

Nov 25, 2008 - 2:32 pm 41. Leigh:

This is ridiculous. If you know the real story you will know this is just another terrorist act agaisnt a minority group. If you think these great men support terrorism then it is crazy. I want to cry reading this. People I know have lost their fathers because the ‘land of the free’ and ‘justice for all’ has no real knowledge of how to give freedom and justice to those they don’t know anything about and choose not to know anything about. If these men have no reward here they will surely be rewarded by God for their good deeds. All my prayers and thoughts are with them. I wish I could make a stand but I am studying half way across the world from home. I wish I could protest every day.

Nov 26, 2008 - 3:45 am 42. Leigh:

maybe one day the writer of this column will no truth and not prejudice.

Nov 26, 2008 - 3:47 am 43. Don:

Most of these posts making excuses for terrorists and using different names doing so are the same person, probably a Muslim using Anglo sounding names (as f that gives him?her legitimacy). Same syntax, same ideas expressed a little differently…same idiot.
Bottom line: Bad people raising money to kill innocent Israeli women and children have been caught and convicted. That’s a good thing for Israel, America, and the civilized world. The good guys won and the bad guys lost.

Nov 26, 2008 - 4:12 am 44. Lilith:

Yes, Sweetie — we all know about Edward Said - the problem is, that those of us who are his contemporaries actually remember what countries were called “in the day” — and there was no country called Palestine.

If you wish to comment intelligently on Middle Eastern politics I suggest you read someone who is less, shall we say, biased?

Edward Said achieved his goal of becoming one the best know names in 20th century historical reconstructionism; and certainly he is considered the finest in his field. No other academic has so successfully revised, re-written, re-viewed, and re-interpretred the arts of the Middle East.

Mr. Said could not have succeeded without the invaluable aid given to him by his fellow scholars; perhaps, most notably the Jewish scholars who were more than happy to help foul the nest of academia.

to Jolly Roger — when did they release you from the looney bin, bubba?

Nov 26, 2008 - 10:01 am 45. Lilith:

Krista, honey — you are such a cute little brain-dead bimbo…Edward Said, indeed!!!

Once upon a time; a long, long time before you and your contemporaries were born, little Edward Said was born into a very wealthy Egyptian family whose principal residence was in Cairo. Pror to the First World War, his father had immigrated to the United States, returning to the Middle East as an American citizen. He returned to Egypt after WW I and there, amid the luxury afforded to the upper classes of Egypt, Said was born and raised.

It is true that Said’s wealthy father sometimes sent the young Said to Jerusalem to visit relatives, and Said attended school there for a time, but the image Said created for himself as a suffering Palestinian was purely bogus.
Save your tears for the people of Sudan and Darfur. Although they are black so perhaps that isn’t as important to you - certainly it isn’t of any importance to their fellow Muslims - the Arabic Muslims, I mean - the ones who are slaughtering and raping the helpless Christians and Animists of Darfur - well, who knew they were sitting on a some of the biggest oil deposits every found in Africa?

Oh, and FYI …In 1935 when Said was born there was no country of Palestine - as there has never been. Said himself, was born in Cairo, but his relatives in Jerusalem resided in the British Mandate of Palestine - a mandate is not a country - a mandate is an area of governship managed by a foreign power (in this case - Britain) This mandate was an artifical construct of imaginary borders devised primarily by the British, the French, and the Italians, with some influence from the Americans. The mandate came into existence after World War I. Prior to that, the entire area (and more) was part of the enormous and long-lived Ottoman Empire.

After WW II, the area was again divided along serendipitous lines. By August, 1948 - through a final vote in the United Nations - the area was divided thusly: 80% went to create TransJordan (now Jordan)where the majority of the Arab population had inhabited the area for generations ; of the remaining land, 20% went to the remaining Arabs settled in the Palestinian Mandate and the final 20%, mostly desert, went to the Jews, many of whom had been settled in the area for over 5,000 years and any Jews who had managed to survive the Nazi genocide. Later, the over 800,000 Jews driven from their ancient homes in Arabia after the formation of the State of Israel, as well as approximately 70,000 Black Jews (Beta Israel) from Ethiopia were airlifted to Israel and safety.

By the way, should your next travel plans include the Palestinian Authority you actually can fly there - they do have an airport. Or you can go through Egypt. Or you can go by boat and land at Gaza. People fly back and forth all the time to visit relatives.

You really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, do you when it comes to Said?

Still, I offer the following for your consideration, allthough the level of your writing makes it unlikely that you will comprehend its significance.

“…the politicization of history initiated by Edward Said has obfuscated the root causes of Islam’s traditional hostility toward Jews and Christians from the seventh century onward. Edward Said was a Christian raised in Egypt and educated in America; he taught English literature at Columbia University. A great admirer of Arafat and a member of the PLO’s top Committee, he endeavored to destroy the whole scientific accumulation of Orientalist knowledge of Islam and replace it with a culture of Western guilt and inferiority toward Muslims victims. The obliteration of the historical truth that he constantly pursued from 1978 – starting with his book Orientalism – as well as his hostility to Israel, has prevented an understanding and the resolution of problems that today assail Europe and challenge its own survival.” (Thomas,Jacob. November 12, 2006 )

Nov 26, 2008 - 11:04 am 46. Colonel Robert Neville:

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Nov 26, 2008 - 11:05 pm 47. Colonel Robert Neville:

Dear Phyllis:

Oop! Loaded a message before I finished. Jesus, Phyllis! What happened? Have they closed down Kos, Huffington, YouTube, Columbia and Sunnyvale Asylum for sewage clearance? SO many Central Casting Berkley reject loons!

A genuine Leftard Liberal Marxist moonbat avalanche of babbling rabble! And dig, all with their bog standard Jew hatred Islamist terror love. It was ever thus. The only things wrong with such inverted fraud are that it’s junk and bullshit.

And ALL of them I can’t help imagining are Obama voters, Mike Moore feeders, Sean Penn flunkies and Gnome Chumpsky twerps ad nauseum. Get help, you miserable and spoiled, affluent, weakling and indoctrinated boobs. They’re a disgrace.

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Nov 26, 2008 - 11:22 pm 48. Judy, NYC:

the one or 2 (an arab and a lefty) nutjobs who write these pro-arab muslim terrorist loving posts on the internet, are so dense they actually think we can’t figure this out.

really, it is time we cut out the tongues of the anti-semites. even toads pop out of their mouths unable to tolerate their bad breath, it gives off such a terrible stench. very offensive.

no need for security guards to use technology. just take a whiff. and pull them over.

the only just thing to do to hamas supporters, is separate them from civilized society, as this court has done. don’t even think of making an appeal. we’ve had quite enough of your filthy stink.

Nov 27, 2008 - 3:56 am 49. fouse, gary c:

Below is a link to the US Government witness list:

http://counterterrorismblog.org/newslinks/upload/2007/06/HLF%2BGoverment%27s%2BWitness%2BList.pdf

Note the expected testimony of several of the witnesses linking the HLF not only to Hamas but to the Muslim Brotherhood, that organization that portrays itself as a peace-loving opponent of terrorism.

Another piece of evidence introduced at the trial was an interesting document entitled: “An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America”, which is dated 5/22/1991. It was written by Mohamed Akram and consists of 18 pages in English. It is addressed to several Muslim groups in North America. This document is stamped, “US v HLF (Holy Land Foundation) and bears prosecution exhibit number 003-0085, which identifies it as a government exhibit in the the Holy Land Foundation prosecution. It is now in the public venue.

Of particular interest is page 7 of the document, section 4, which is entitled:

“Understanding the Role of the Muslim Brother in North America”. It reads;

“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ’sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal”.

On October 8, 2008, Muslim Brotherhood spokesman, Ibrahim El-Houdaiby, appeared at the University of California at Irvine. He spoke to a group of students in a class per the invitation of Professor Mark LeVine, a Middle East expert who is known to be sympathetic to the Palestinian side in the struggle against Israel. The appearance was open to the public. During the speech, El-Houdaiby presented the Muslim Brotherhood as a peaceful organization that opposed violence. During the Q&A, I confronted El-Houdaibi with the above document and gave him both Arabic and English copies as I read the document for the audience. El-Houdaiby promptly questioned where I had obtained the document and pronounced it a forgery. What ensued was a series of exchanges between El-Houdaiby and me on this blog in which he insisted the document was a forgery and that the Muslim Brotherhood was a non-violent organization.

So what does the verdict in the Holy Land Foundation tell us? Without trying to paint all US Muslims as terrorist supporters, I think it illustrates the undeniable fact that we have a cancer growing in this country. Of course, I understand that very few Muslims in the US could be expected to take the Israeli side. Yet, Israel is our ally, and we are committed to support that country. If US Muslims are sending funds to organizations like Hamas, they are not only supporting terror, but they are working at cross purposes with our government as well.

Sadly, but not surprisingly, with the exception of the Dallas newspapers, it seems that the mainstream media (once again) has chosen not to make this front-page news.

The convictions in Dallas are encouraging. Yet, they are disturbing as well because we are going to have to face an unpleasant truth. We have a 5th column in this country. It is not all Muslims, but there is a

gary fouse
fousesquawk

Nov 27, 2008 - 12:26 pm 50. The Two Malcontents » Media Snoozes While Jihadi Terrorists Infest America:

[...] on all 108 separate charges—an outstanding result. All five of the guilty HLF officials are Muslims born in the Middle East who set up their Dallas-based terror-financing organization to use America’s wealth and [...]

Dec 17, 2008 - 2:48 am 51. Krista:

Lilith,

Ouch… my level of writing hit a sore spot, did it? Seems like you’ve read a lot of Mr. Said yourself–or listening to someone who said they had. Problem is, you miss the point. Said’s family had a home in “Palestine.” Yes, I do know it was under British Mandate–another word would be “colonization.” Brits allowed Jews, by the masses to immigrate into the Holy Land from 1920, and they are still doing it. Are they wrong to do this? Some Jews think so. In fact, you are one day going to be on the wrong side of history, because taking other people’s land–just because they are living in a land that was colonized and fought over–and they suddenly telling everyone they never had any rights to that land will be a farce you will one day have to explain to your own kids. Oh, and you’re right–you can go into “Palestine” just depends WHERE you want to go. There are checkpoints. Their are people who can go in, people who can’t, but just know one thing. Edward Said could not go back to his family home after the war. No–he was NOT born in Egypt.His family simply owned a business there, and he spent summers there only, LOL. Well, you’ve got some of it right, but you need to lay off the personal attacks (brain dead bimbo? that’s the best you can come up with)? It’s childish and doesn’t serve your own interest. Gaza is under siege right now–aid isn’t even getting in. Jews who are clever are out there, they know the truth, and they will be your undoing (thankfully).

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:05 am

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