As I previously wrote, Islamic fundamentalists have declared a major, global war against the West and against non-Wahabi Muslims. To date, the world has refused to treat the Islamic/Islamist assault as the full-fledged religious war that it really is. No, it is not a traditional war which means that we will require non-traditional, as well as traditional means to fight it.
Today, David Altman, writing in the Jerusalem Post agrees. He believes that “while Mumbai, India does not constitute the ultimate battlefield…it will nevertheless serve as a conceptual case for future activities.”
“Without question, the approach towards fighting terrorism must undergo major rethinking. Times have changed since the main focus was the suicide bombers operating independently or in small groups, whose purpose was to injure the enemy and to draw attention to their cause.
Today, a new, different terror army, with several branches is being developed. This army includes all the elements of a military, but exploits the approach of the terrorist. The terror army enjoys the advantages of feeling exempt from any international law or convention, and of being exempt from international pressure or accountability. In addition, they handicap the power of their opponent through exploitation of the claims of internationally accepted values of human rights, correct treatment of prisoners of war, and prevention of harm to civilian populations – though none of these values apply to them, but only to their opponent.”
I have a long-time friend and colleague who left America to run an orphanage for girls in India, in Kolkata. (Like Mumbai, which used to be called Bombay, Calcutta has now become Kolkata.) She is a physician and her name is Michelle Harrison. Here is what she just wrote me.
“It’s a metastatic cancer that needs surgery and chemo, but the world still thinks some meditation and deep breathing will make it go away.”
Palestinian and other Islamist terrorists have often chosen Jewish holidays to either launch a war or a homicide bombing against Israel. These massacrists struck Mumbai on the eve of Thanksgiving Day, a venerable American holiday. I do not think this fact should be overlooked.
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1. George Jochnowitz:The terrorists who carried out the murders in Mumbai, like Hitler, had nothing to gain from their acts. Hitler killed or drove away the atomic scientists he needed and the musicians he loved for the sake of anti-Semitism. Anti-Zionism, the child of anti-Semitism, is the most powerful political force on earth. It is also the most pointless of all political movements. Fighting against Israel can’t benefit anybody. It can only destroy any chance that the Palestinian Arabs will ever be able to govern themselves.
Nov 28, 2008 - 10:57 am 2. wassom:Phyllis, I just don’t know what it’s going to take for the United States, and the rest of the world, to see that there is still a holy war going on, and it’s hitting our shores one life at a time. These estremist believe they have the support to carry out these crimes with no consequences, and they also believe they will win. To what sacrifice of innocent lives will there be? 911 should have been a wake up call, but instead, America keeps hitting the snooze.
Nov 28, 2008 - 11:16 am 3. heather:Apparently all 5 Jewish hostages, including the Rabbi, were killed by terrorism.
The War in Mumbai is STILL going on… the Taj Hotel is still harbouring 1 or 2 “teen gunmen”, ie, with gun battles…
Blood on the floors.
Nov 28, 2008 - 11:35 am 4. Pajamas Media » Mumbai Massacre an Attack Against America Too:[...] Read the entire story here. [...]
Nov 28, 2008 - 11:54 am 5. Bea:There is no measure for this degree of hatred or grief…May the “sleepers
Nov 28, 2008 - 12:10 pm 6. Lusitanus:awake” and those who still love freedom and living join hands to destroy Islamic fascism before it’s too late.
What kind of god is this, that demands this kind of barbaric behavior of his followers? What is it: a god or a devil?
Nov 28, 2008 - 12:42 pm 7. vivi libero o muori:These Islamic Terrorists are not stupid. They know when to attack, how to attack, with horrible results. They do not follow the precepts and SOP “standard operating procedure” as laid out by the geneva convention, and as such should be given no quarter, and should be dealt with as violently as they deal with us. That means, no prisoners, (unless they can give us intelligence reports), no more ball ammo, we should be using the same JHP and +P+ ammo they use. That would limit the chance of accidental casualties resulting from bullets travelling through the individual, instead of applying full force to the perpetrator. They should not be allowed any chance for ‘mediation’ as that legitimizes their cause, which the informed know as complete conversion of the world to the islamic “Ummah”
Nov 28, 2008 - 12:56 pm 8. Suzi Brozman:Like you, Phyllis, I’m awaiting comment from any Muslim leader. Where is the outrage? Why don’t moderates react with horror to these extremist acts?
On your remark about outrage being less when the victims are brown-skinned, please remember to much of the world, Jews are classed as non-white too. But bullets, unlike shooters, are colorblind. Maybe the leaders are more afraid of the extremists than they are concerned with human life (other than their own, of course).
Given the lack of response, can one wonder that Israelis are less than anxious to leave their future in the hands of the princes, kings and other potentates of the Middle East?
Nov 28, 2008 - 1:01 pm 9. AdrianS:FYI:
From American’s Must Know – http://americamustknow.com/
11/25/2008
Cort Wrotnowski’s case from Connecticut is now in the Supreme Court. That’s 3 cases in the Supreme Court Against Barack Obama!
11/25/08 – AFter another battle with Mr. Bickell, the clerk that has a bad habit of obstructing justice, Cort Wrotnowski, with the help of Leo Donofrio (attorney handling the New Jersey Case), appealed his case from Connecticut to the United States Supreme Court. His case was docketed at 12:38 PM on 11/25/08 and Honorable Associate Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg will be looking at the case.
From Atlas Shrugs:
“Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution.”
http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=124
Nov 28, 2008 - 1:37 pm 10. Drider:For those who can’t seem to realize who our enemies are, they are Religious Zealots waging war on our way of life.
Nov 28, 2008 - 1:47 pm 11. Tony DeCarlo:It has nothing to do with the millions of Muslims that the west has killed as they are force fed, which is of course…false.
Also, when a moderate Muslim says that our waging war on terrorists will turn moderates into extremists, then it is crystal clear that moderates are our enemies and should be dealt with as such.
We should embrace “peaceful” Muslims only, as we do…say….Christians, any type/group of people that can turn into a raving, murdering lunatic’s like they had some strange switch flipped to on, should not be given a gray area to hide in when it comes to friend and foe.
While I have known and liked many individual Muslims over the course of my life (during the earlier part of my career I was a research chemist and worked with people from all over the world), I firmly believe that their religion, with its triumphalist and imperialist value system along with probably justifiable feelings of inferiority, breeds hatred and terrorism. Jews especially, but also Christians and Hindus bear the brunt of Islamic contempt which too frequently translates into these incredible acts of violence. I believe that it is in our interests to confront Muslims directly. We must let the Saudis, Pakistanis and Iranians in particular know that their rhetoric which incites their believers must end or there will be consequences. We need not spell out what may happen if they don’t change their ways but should imply that military options are always “on the table.” Acts of terrorism which are fomented and even encouraged within the Islamic world can be defined as acts of war, justifying a right to retaliate.
Nov 28, 2008 - 2:05 pm 12. David H:I would just like to suggest this link, I read it around the time it came out and said yes that is the logical next step, it is just a question of time and we now have our answer.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07012008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/al_qaedas_plan_b_117936.htm?page=0
I think it explains quite nicely why Bombay was attacked. Of course if India reacts the wrong way and attacks what seems to be a Pakistan government that seems to have decided to take on the Taliban then AQ would have got an additional bonus which will also mean the failure of Afghanistan due to supply problems…
Nov 28, 2008 - 2:09 pm 13. Eric R.:Mr. Jochnowicz:
Hatred of Jews by the Muslim world, the European world and the leftist world is not meant to be rational.
It is irrational, insatiable, and can never end — even if every Jew on earth were wiped out — and believe me, that is the goal of the entire Muslim world and the Europeans, not just the Jihadis.
The hatred is so insatiable that virtually Judenrein European countries like Portugal, Greece and Norway (as well as the largely Judenrein countries of the Islamofascist world) are drowning in it — their hatred of Israel and Jews is so fanatic it far excees their hatred for anything else, it blinds them and turns them into raging animals — I am reminded of the infected people in “28 Days Later”.
Nov 28, 2008 - 2:35 pm 14. Chuck Pelto:TO: Roger Simon, et al.
RE: This…
…was Tom Clancy’s Teeth of the Tiger.
My question is, what are the gun laws of India? Do they allow personal ownership of firearms? Concealed carry?
Regards,
Chuck
Nov 28, 2008 - 2:43 pm 15. marsouin:When is the Muslim world going to rise up and publicly denounce those among their faith who engage in this totalitarian assault on humanity? We are they stalling?
Nov 28, 2008 - 3:24 pm 16. Rachel Peepers:I am left almost speechless by the mass murder in India. But am not at a loss for ways to discourage this kind of barbaric behavior.
Here’s my suggestions.
1. Impose strict liability on weapon’s
manufacturers. If their weapon is used
in a terrorist attack, they’ll be held
strictly liable. This liability extends
to all purchasers of the weapons.
2. Remove all constitutional guarantees to
terrorists. If they’re caught in the
act, after interrogation, they can look
forward to proximate capital punishment
by hanging or shooting. All forms of
coercion are permitted.
3. All adult family members of terrorists
between the ages of 25 and 59 will be
held civilly, strictly liable for acts of
their offspring, the minimum award per
case being five million dollars. If
payment is not made, imprisonment will
follow until restitution is made.
4. Residents of countries whose President
or chief leader publicly calls
for the annihilation of another country
are from that moment on banned from the
United States for life. If caught in the
U.S. illegally, it is considered a
capital offense.
Anyway, these are some thoughts off the top of my head. Tell me what you think. I know this. Something must be done. rachel
Nov 28, 2008 - 3:26 pm 17. Éamonn:Where are the so-called “moderate” Muslims? Are there ANY? Well, if you are moderate, why don’t you speak out against the disgusting atrocities committed in your name?
Where is the professional media? The media that should be giving the facts. The media that should be using the words “Islam” and “Muslim”, but who regularly desist from so doing. That same media sees nothing wrong with criticising Christians, Jews, Mormons, you name it, but refuses to criticise Islam – the “Religion of Peace”. What an absolute JOKE!
Come on, you “moderates”, let’s hear you denounce your brethren. Redeem yourselves for years of silence. Otherwise, if you remain silent, I really think that the rest of us are entitled to consider that you do, in fact SUPPORT the atrocities. Well, DO YOU? Éamonn, Dublin, Ireland.
Nov 28, 2008 - 3:29 pm 18. massaraksh:Dear Dr. Chesler
We’ve already learned that Islam teaches its followers to treat their non-Muslims neighbors like enemies if they refuse to become Muslims or dhimmis. We’ve also learned that there’s not a single Muslim-run country where religious (or ethnic) minorities have the same rights as Muslims. Moreover, we’ve learned as well that Muslim minorities, no matter where they live, dream of taking over the host countries and subjugating the non-Muslim population. to achieve this end, the Muslims have learned how to exploit our democratic institutions and abuse our hospitality and generousity.
The question we should be asking our political and intellectuals leaders is what is to be done to prevent our countries from suffering the same tragedies India’s been suffering on a rather regular basis? We shouldn’t deceive ourselves – the growth of the Muslim population is unavoidable because the Muslim females are treated like a child-birth devices and given the out-of-control legal and illegal immigration. Sooner or later, the Muslim population will reach the critical mass (we’ve already seen the ramblings in the French suburbs and Dutch cities!), and then, the democracy may be the first to go.
If our leaders don’t wake up and find a creative solution to put an end to the creeping Jihad slowly but surely making headways on our shores, then the Islamists will pave the way for the Fascists to come to power, and they’ll will most surely solve the Muslim problems using the same methods pioneered by Herrs Hitler and Himmler.
Is this what we want? I daresay no, and that’s why it’s so important to hear voices like yours trying to wake up our cowardly intelligentsia.
Nov 28, 2008 - 3:58 pm 19. Fausta’s Blog » Blog Archive » The battle for Mubai continues:[...] Phyllis Chesler writes about The Thanksgiving Day Massacre in Mumbai [...]
Nov 28, 2008 - 4:35 pm 20. Jesus is Lord, A Worshipping Christian’s Blog » Blog Archive » “The Thanksgiving Day Massacre in Mumbai” by Dr. Phyllis Chesler:[...] Original Link. [...]
Nov 28, 2008 - 4:55 pm 21. A painful note but a constructive reaction from Chabad rabbi to the murders in Mumbai(Bombay) « the “silent” majority no more!:[...] The Thanksgiving Day Massacre in Mumbai [...]
Nov 28, 2008 - 4:58 pm 22. Joshua:the only fitting response to the Mumbai massacre is carpet bombing of Mecca and Medina. the centers of Islamofascism must be destroyed.
Nov 28, 2008 - 5:01 pm 23. Truth First:TF: During the past eight years we’ve seen the United States conduct a rather hostile foreign policy towards much of the world. America has attacked two Middle Eastern nations, resulting in many deaths, torture and the imprisonment of innocents. As President what can you do to correct these wrongs?
Senator Obama: As I have said from the beginning it was a mistake to go into Iraq for the reasons you cited. America has lost respect and does not have the creditability it had prior to the current administration. I intend to pull American forces out from Iraq as soon as we can. That’s the first thing. What America has failed to do is seek justice. The current policy is more like a quest for vengeance, it is counter-productive. It has not made us safer. The war must end.
We have to work with other nations instead of alienating them, we have common interests and we have to respect them and we have to learn how to work with other nations. We cannot be sloppy and cut corners. The Bush administration has been undermining the virtues of America that will I plan to lead America by.
TF: So you will stop the imprisonments?
Senator Obama: The Supreme Court has ruled that what the current administration is doing is illegal. It is a shameful chapter in American history when people are picked up in battle and imprisoned without access to legal representation. This has not happened before in American history. I intend to restore respect for the law and for human rights. That should always be the end-goal in all U.S. policy especially with foreign policy. We have to show our best, not our worst characteristics.
TF: Senator Obama, the people of Iran are understandably concerned that their nation may come under attack. What can be done between now and January to prevent another unnecessary conflict?
Senator Obama: We must continue to remind the current administration that war is not the solution. Iran has not attacked us and Iran is not going to attack us. Why would they? They have every right to develop nuclear power if that is their wish and removing American forces from Iraq would relieve tensions considerably.
We must not be afraid of diplomacy, not just with Iran but with Syria, the Saudis, Jordan, the United Nationals Security Council program members as well. Once it is clear that we’re not planning to stay in Iraq for 10, 20 years, all these nations will have an interest in working out how we can best stabilize the situation.
http://truthfirstnow.blogs
Nov 28, 2008 - 5:08 pm 24. Norman Simms:Phyllis
Like all the others who write in to respond to your reports from Mumbai, and previous reports on honour killings and the world-wide war against the West and against Jews, I do not know what to suggest.
While diplomats must be cautious now to avoid fanning a n uclear confrontation between India and Pakistan, we cannot all sit idly by and hope the bad things go away–nor pretend that each incident is isolated from all the others.
It is good, in a way, that you provide this forum for venting our rage and frustration, and expressing to one another our mutual fears and anger and hopes that something strong will be done to end this nightmare of madness.
I envy those who live where there are friends and colleagues–even relatives–who can come together and mourn, sit together for comfort, and talk out the storm within.
Norman
Nov 28, 2008 - 5:13 pm 25. njcommuter:This looks to me like an attempt to provoke further violence between Pakistan and India. Since both are nuclear states, an open war is unlikely. A fortified border and a policy of shooting travellers on sight is not nearly so unlikely.
Regarding the NYPost article and the attempt to cow the West: if it’s done a little at a time it might work. But nothing is more likely to help the nations of Europe discover they have a spine than to suddenly find someone’s knife against it.
This ‘army without a nation-state’ follows quite logicially from the historical process that Philip Bobbitt analyzes in The Shield of Achilles. (He carries the analysis to the present in Terror and Consent) (I have no personal or business relationship with Dr. Bobbitt; I recommend these often because they are the best analysis I’ve read on our present geopolitical situation.)
Nov 28, 2008 - 6:16 pm 26. Yaacov Ben Moshe:The problem is not that no Muslim country condemns it but that the Mainstream Media slyly condones it. They are already in the process of demeaning and dehumanizing the Jewish victims of the Mumbai massacre. As I point out at Breath of the Beast.
Nov 28, 2008 - 8:07 pm 27. solomonpal:http://breathofthebeast.blogspot.com/2008/11/holtzbergs-not-ultra-and-not.html
“Once it is clear that we’re not planning to stay in Iraq for 10, 20 years, all these nations will have an interest in working out how we can best stabilize the situation.”
The wisdom of a community activist.God help us all.
Nov 28, 2008 - 10:10 pm 28. cedarford:The idea that Muslims time their attacks on a shitty little county’s backwater holidays or to some American holiday like MLK Day or Columbus Day is pretty absurd.
India does not celebrate Thanksgiving or the February Micronesian seaworm harvest special.
Enemy combatants strike when they are ready or they think a shitty little country’s guard is down, like on the obscure Yom Kippur period back in 1973..
Nov 28, 2008 - 10:26 pm 29. Tom Holsinger:Terrorists doing operations from one country into another country, neither of them the United States, absofrigginglutely pay attention to peculiar American holidays like Thanksgiving. And base their operations on upsetting such holidays.
Because we are the center of the universe.
And it would be just TRAGIC if we weren’t.
It would be even more tragic if Phyllis Chesler stops doing her Arianna imitation.
Nov 28, 2008 - 10:47 pm 30. Didnt you think of this:Where are the Moderate Muslims?
You killed them off now you deal with the radicals.
Saddam Husseins regime was secular.
In 1948-1992 Not one suicide bombing in Israel or the occupied terratories nor any discussion of an Israeli pull out either.
post bombing, Israel recognises the palestinian people, pulls out of Gaza and discusses the nascent Palestinian state in the west bank with its eternal capital of Jerusalem!
Nov 28, 2008 - 11:57 pm 31. Commentary » Blog Archive » Flotsam and Jetsam:[...] the slayings at the Chabad House in Mumbai, Phyllis Chesler writes: “But really, did anyone doubt for a moment that, in addition to Americans, Europeans, [...]
Nov 29, 2008 - 1:16 am 32. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Didnt you think of this
If Didnt you think of this knew what he/she/it were talking about, they’d realize that ’secular’ does not equate to ‘moderate’.
Hitler was ’secular’.
Stalin was ’secular’.
Pol Pot was ’secular’.
And those are just three of the great mass murderers of the previous century.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 29, 2008 - 6:12 am 33. Perry:[Who the hell is teaching our kids this s---?]
I only pray that the world’s Muslims experience the hell they have brought upon others around the globe. All because they follow commands to murderous jihad from their “holy” scriptures.
Islam, NOT “ISLAMISM” as the PC pundits want you to believe, is a cancer upon humanity. And like cancer it and its adherents (tumors) must be destroyed, slowly and painfully. Anyone who refers to himself as a Muslim follows the Qur’an. In the Qur’an civilization is separated into two parts, “Dar al Islam”, the Ummah (Muslims) and “Dar al Harb”, the world of war – A/K/A we infidels.
Why do you think they refer to it as the world of war? Because they are at war to conquer us. That is the foundation of the Jihad.
We must destroy Islam or be destroyed by it. Make your choice, infidels.
Nov 29, 2008 - 6:20 am 34. mpgrunt787:didn’t you think of this?
What about our moderate friend Saddam paying 25,000 bucks to the families of suicide bombers.
Also my idea of a moderate isn’t someone who uses chemical weapons on his own people.
Try again.
Nov 29, 2008 - 6:55 am 35. kevin c:UNTIL WE START TO SEE ISLAM AS THE PROBLEM NOTHING WILL BE SOLVED. ALL THESE VARIOUS MOSLEM TERROR GROUPS ARFE FINANCED BY THE SAUDIS,THE IRANIANS OR BY DUBAI. ENABLING TERROR IS THE SAME AS PARTICIPATING IN IT. WE NEED TO STOP SOFT SOAPING ISLAM AND TREAT THEN FOR THE SCUM THEY ARE.
Nov 29, 2008 - 9:07 am 36. Michael E Brant:Rachel Peepers said:
Here’s my suggestions.
1. Impose strict liability on weapon’s
manufacturers. If their weapon is used
in a terrorist attack, they’ll be held
strictly liable. This liability extends
to all purchasers of the weapons.
I will back you 100% after you also include the following:
1. Automobile manufacturers.
2. Clothing manufacturers. Terrorists must wear something.
3. Shoe manufacturers.
4. Food suppliers. Terrorist must eat.
5. Gasoline refineries. Terrorists must purchase gas.
I could go on. The list is absolutely endless.
But the ridiculousness of your suggestion should be readily apparent at this point.
Nov 29, 2008 - 9:10 am 37. Faisal:I am a muslim. And I condemn the Mumbai massacres 100%. I pray to God that who ever was involved in planning and executing it, may the wrath of God descend upon him. May such people be wiped out from the face of this earth whoever they may be. May God condemn these people to the lowest dungeons of hell for eternity.
Nov 29, 2008 - 10:07 am 38. Perry:Faisal,
Nice to hear from you. Finally, a Muslim speaks…
Nov 29, 2008 - 10:34 am 39. Terry:No, it was not an attack on the United States.
For Pete’s sake quit the spinning.
It was an attack on Inida who’s had this kind of problem with Muslim terrorism since its independence from colonial rule (actually, these tensions and incidents predate colonial rule, but never mind).
We have “an interest” in what goes on in this part of the world, but nothing warrants direct involvement which is what the whiny children in forums like this would want to do.
Nov 29, 2008 - 12:41 pm 40. Louis Santacroce:re.: Rachel Peepers’ suggestions: with the exception of #1 (weapons manufacturers have little or no way of knowing how the weapons they manufacture will be used or who will use them) I support their immediate implementation. This goes for muslim terrorists, members of the Aryan Nation, the Klan, etc. Here’s a law our new president (along with our new congress) can begin the process of enacting into law immediately. Will he/they have the guts? Will we have the guts to demand that they do so?
Nov 29, 2008 - 12:53 pm 41. Terry:“”38. Perry:
Faisal,
Nice to hear from you. Finally, a Muslim speaks…
Nov 29, 2008 – 10:34 am”"
And what makes you think he’s actually Muslim?
For my part, I don’t care what he identifies himself as or proclaims himself to be. The fact doesn’t change that, in Muslim countries, this type of “martyrdom” is celebrated and honored.
Talk to enough marines and you’ll find that even though the Iraqis sufferred at the hands of countless market/public/checkpoint bombings, they still took “satisfaction” in watching the Palestinians get their rocks off against the Israelis. Then contrast what Muslims say in Arab, Farsi, or Pashtun with what they say in English. And, of course, we all know the Muslim (hell, INTERNATIONAL) reaction to 9/11. On and on it goes.
A “muslim” expression of moderation is like a blank-loaded gun:
It’s reassuring to the ill-willed and the weak-minded hoping they never have to face the moment of truth.
Nov 29, 2008 - 12:54 pm 42. Robert:Whatever the motives behind it, that they have neglected to mention the other westerners other then saying swedish, and others were being killed in the early hours of it, is outrageous.
They always mention the jewish ones first now, even before the other Americans killed, as if it’s supposed to be above, or more terrable then what happened to the rest of them. All we are getting is that around a hundred and fifty people or more have been killed.
The British are the one’s who have suffered the most deaths, yet we hear nothing about them on the jewish/communist controlled media here in America.
And to those who disagree about the jewish being first, your rant will be just that, rant, and slanting’s of the truth.
Nov 29, 2008 - 6:32 pm 43. Judy, NYC:rachel peepers,
i agree completely with your outline of steps we should be taking. if it could be implemented today, i know i would certainly sleep better at night.
look at how this monstrous thing is escalating. you know, it took FDR a long time to get us into the war with the nazis. it took a long time for americans to even care that there were nazis. and that they were marching on east 86th street in new york city and gathering a full house audience in madison square garden.
right now, israel has a government that favors a talkable solution. we have a president-elect who wants a talkable solution. how many corpses will it take and filthy, evil insane acts by these arab terrorists to respond appropriately. next, these nutjobs will be marching down fifth avenue.
for comic relief there was the msm reporting the Big Question …”who could have done this?”
Nov 29, 2008 - 7:04 pm 44. Judy, NYC:response to robert, the idiot:
now, “robert”, why make yourself a coward as well as an idiot. post your real name. the one that ends with el haj. we’re going to have to pull your nose if you insist on opening that filthy mouth.
Nov 29, 2008 - 7:19 pm 45. Michael Canzano:Phyllis , These attacks are additional
Nov 30, 2008 - 9:31 am 46. marymcl:absolute validations that … “An addition of Muslims to a Nation is a subtraction in Civilization.”
American Christian Infidel
Michael Canzano
@42 Robert, there’s nothing wrong with being a fool, so long as you’re only kidding yourself. But a contemptible fool is a danger to everyone. And you’re not kidding anyone, are you?
Rediff India Abroad News quotes one of the doctors who autopsied the slain hostages as saying,
“Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again.”
Read the whole thing, if you think your prejudices can stand it.
http://tinyurl.com/6frj3y
Nov 30, 2008 - 1:24 pm 47. heather:it seems that the Jewish bodies, the ones killed at the Chabad(???) were different from the other bodies thrown up by this ‘event.’ These people were tortured before they were killed. This from Gateway pundit:
he Mumbai terrorists tortured their Jewish hostages before they were murdered.
Rediff.com reported at
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/30mumterror-doctors-shocked-at-hostagess-torture.htm:
“Asked what was different about the victims of the incident, another doctor said: “It was very strange. I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was yet traumatised. A bomb blast victim’s body might have been torn apart and could be a very disturbing sight. But the bodies of the victims in this attack bore such signs about the kind of violence of urban warfare that I am still unable to put my thoughts to words,” he said.
Asked specifically if he was talking of torture marks, he said: “It was apparent that most of the dead were tortured. What shocked me were the telltale signs showing clearly how the hostages were executed in cold blood,” one doctor said.
The other doctor, who had also conducted the post-mortem of the victims, said: “Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again,” he said.
Corroborating the doctors’ claims about torture was the information that the Intelligence Bureau had about the terror plan. “During his interrogation, Ajmal Kamal said they were specifically asked to target the foreigners, especially the Israelis,” an IB source said.”
Nov 30, 2008 - 1:25 pm 48. Lewis B:http://www.hotklix.com/?ref=content/152704
People you have to watch this video in Urdu/Hindi from a major Pakistani cable TV program where in an analyst is going on about how just like 9/11 was orchestrated by Americans and Israelis, this one in Mumbai was orchestrated by ‘ Hindu Zionists ‘. The anchor agrees all the while saying ‘ sahi hai ‘ meaning that’s right. The theory is that just like US used a fake 9/11 to attack Muslim lands, India will use this fake attack to go into Pakistan. There’s a lot of taunting of the victims and assertions that the attackers were actually Hindus. This will be believed as usual by a lot of people in the Muslim world.
This isn’t a fringe program. It’s a very popular TV hosted by Qudsia Qadri and the analyst is Zaid Hamid.
Dec 1, 2008 - 4:08 am 49. Más sobre Bombay y sobre el fracaso de la prensa « Sarah Palin en Español:[...] Phyllis Chesler, en Pajamas Media, considera que el ataque es también contra los Estados Unidos (que es como los Estadounidenses al final ven a Occidente, como ellos solos, abandonados por el resto), y se pregunta: [...]
Dec 1, 2008 - 5:48 am 50. TheAngryCapitalist:Make no mistake, the election of Barak Obama as 44th president of the United States represents the counterbalance that threatens to capsize the West and cast us all into the murkiness of, as Churchill might call it, a new Dark Age. Not only does his inexperience pose a serious and ominous threat to the safety of the citizenry, but his naiveté portends to embolden and energize the adversary that threatens our gates. Even his most ardent of supporters stand in bewildering silence when pressed to cite any reasonable example of foreign policy experience that has helped shape the future actions of their dear leader. They can not legitimately point to any such episode simply because prior to that fateful day in January when Obama is sworn in he has exited only in the realm of speculation and conjecture. What shakes one to the core is the realization that upon the shoulders of this neophyte rests the responsibility not only to parry the thrust made by the enemy but to gather the courage needed to unsheathe the sword and actually draw blood. It is disheartening to arrive at such a conclusion in the vacuum of theory and rhetoric, but when placed in the context of recent real world events, one is frightened on an unprecedented level. Never before in the history of our nation has the electorate risked so much on the unproven abilities of someone whose experience exists not in the realm of the real or factual, but solitarily on the fallacious theories of the university and their warped perception of reality….
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Dec 1, 2008 - 7:03 am 51. Yaacov Ben Moshe:http://www.hostileopposition.blogspot.com
I have a new post on this- I might have been more direct just writing this:
The Ultimate Lesson of Mumbai- Save the Last Clip for Yourself and Your Family
The “hostages” of Mumbai had not absorbed the lesson of 9/11. The captives that were taken, tortured disfigured and murdered in Mumbai were no less doomed than the passengers on the airliners on 9/11. They allowed themselves to be taken and abused by captors who did not want anything from them but to use them as instruments of terror. Only the brave passengers of flight 93 understood and acted on this. Let no westerner ever rationalize ignorance of this from this day forward…
….When (unless we wake up and do something, it is not a question of “if”) you are attacked, you are going to have to fight as hard as you can, for as long as you can if you want to have any hope of surviving. We have seen what they do to captives so you must never leave yourself at their mercy- they have none….
Dec 2, 2008 - 1:41 pm 52. wassom:http://breathofthebeast.blogspot.com/2008/12/lessons-of-mumbai-to-long-for-bumper.html
Phyllis, I am really dreading the 20th of January. This newest act of terror is just an example of things to come. To thwart another attack like this one, here on our soil, there would have to be a zero tolerance policy, and there isn’t. We are trying our OWN soldiers in court for doing their job. We allow our flag to burn, our President to be mocked, and our borders to be open. And there is no one to guard the gate.
Dec 2, 2008 - 7:47 pm 53. Dave Surls:Can you imagine, if Christians tried to force themselves or their beliefs on someone? I guess there is less tolerance for a manger scene in a public square, than there is for a terrorist highjacking an airplane or the torture and murder of innocent people.
“No, it was not an attack on the United States.”
Yes, it was. An attack on American citizens IS an attack on America.
Dec 3, 2008 - 3:34 pm 54. Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury:Terror attack in Mumbai hotels as well as in Nariman House, thus killing a large number of innocent people, including the Esteemed Rabbi and his wife, by Islamist millitants clearly shows that Islamists are gradually targeting the entire humanity and peace-loving people in the world. The incident left a strong message to all the peace-loving people in the world that, with the rise of radical Islam and militancy within Madrassas, peace-loving community in the world are not safe at all. Many of the Muslim nations are gradually becoming havens of Islamist militancy and breeding ground of Jihadists.
Jan 28, 2009 - 2:55 am 55. What’s the Matter With Islam? :All That Is Necessary…:It was already reported in the media that some of the Muslim nations are patronizing militancy, and Pakistan is the new avenue of jihadist activities. It is even told that Pakistan is funding various forms of Jihadist activities in the world, especially in the non Muslim nations. In brief, Pakistan in exporting terrorism in many countries. And it is continuing, because, most of the Muslim nations are extremely hostile towards the West and Israel. They are heavy with anti Semitic, anti Israel and anti Jewish notions, and always love to dream of the world ruled by clergies and radical Islamists, thus enforcing Shariah Rule.
Madrassas are already breeding ground of Jihadists and Friday prayers in most of the Muslim nations are filled with hate speech by the Muslim clergies and pronouncement of ‘Holy Reward with 72 virgins and heaven’ for those who can become ‘martyr’ in war against ‘enemies of Islam’. Mostly young and half-educated students of Madrassas as well as poor classes in the Muslim nations are greatly hypnotized with the sermons of the clergies. Media also plays significant role in promoting the culture of Jihad and religious hatred. This is a very serious situation, which needs to be addressed forthwith.
My profound condolence to the family members of the Esteemed Rabbi, his wife and everyone else, who were brutally murdered in Mumbai by Islamist militants.
[...] thoughts of course are brought on by the latest atrocity, in India. As Phyllis Chesler wrote in Pajamas Media, Have the Princes of Saudi Arabia, the mullahs of Iran, the imams of Cairo, Baghdad, and London, [...]
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