Comments on: The Thanksgiving Day Massacre in Mumbai http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/11/28/the-thanksgiving-day-massacre-in-mumbai/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:19:36 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: What’s the Matter With Islam? :All That Is Necessary… http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/11/28/the-thanksgiving-day-massacre-in-mumbai/comment-page-2/#comment-11587 What’s the Matter With Islam? :All That Is Necessary… Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:46:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/?p=446#comment-11587 [...] thoughts of course are brought on by the latest atrocity, in India. As Phyllis Chesler wrote in Pajamas Media, Have the Princes of Saudi Arabia, the mullahs of Iran, the imams of Cairo, Baghdad, and London, [...] [...] thoughts of course are brought on by the latest atrocity, in India. As Phyllis Chesler wrote in Pajamas Media, Have the Princes of Saudi Arabia, the mullahs of Iran, the imams of Cairo, Baghdad, and London, [...]

]]> By: Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/11/28/the-thanksgiving-day-massacre-in-mumbai/comment-page-2/#comment-9843 Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:55:01 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/?p=446#comment-9843 Terror attack in Mumbai hotels as well as in Nariman House, thus killing a large number of innocent people, including the Esteemed Rabbi and his wife, by Islamist millitants clearly shows that Islamists are gradually targeting the entire humanity and peace-loving people in the world. The incident left a strong message to all the peace-loving people in the world that, with the rise of radical Islam and militancy within Madrassas, peace-loving community in the world are not safe at all. Many of the Muslim nations are gradually becoming havens of Islamist militancy and breeding ground of Jihadists. It was already reported in the media that some of the Muslim nations are patronizing militancy, and Pakistan is the new avenue of jihadist activities. It is even told that Pakistan is funding various forms of Jihadist activities in the world, especially in the non Muslim nations. In brief, Pakistan in exporting terrorism in many countries. And it is continuing, because, most of the Muslim nations are extremely hostile towards the West and Israel. They are heavy with anti Semitic, anti Israel and anti Jewish notions, and always love to dream of the world ruled by clergies and radical Islamists, thus enforcing Shariah Rule. Madrassas are already breeding ground of Jihadists and Friday prayers in most of the Muslim nations are filled with hate speech by the Muslim clergies and pronouncement of ‘Holy Reward with 72 virgins and heaven’ for those who can become ‘martyr’ in war against ‘enemies of Islam’. Mostly young and half-educated students of Madrassas as well as poor classes in the Muslim nations are greatly hypnotized with the sermons of the clergies. Media also plays significant role in promoting the culture of Jihad and religious hatred. This is a very serious situation, which needs to be addressed forthwith. My profound condolence to the family members of the Esteemed Rabbi, his wife and everyone else, who were brutally murdered in Mumbai by Islamist militants. Terror attack in Mumbai hotels as well as in Nariman House, thus killing a large number of innocent people, including the Esteemed Rabbi and his wife, by Islamist millitants clearly shows that Islamists are gradually targeting the entire humanity and peace-loving people in the world. The incident left a strong message to all the peace-loving people in the world that, with the rise of radical Islam and militancy within Madrassas, peace-loving community in the world are not safe at all. Many of the Muslim nations are gradually becoming havens of Islamist militancy and breeding ground of Jihadists.
It was already reported in the media that some of the Muslim nations are patronizing militancy, and Pakistan is the new avenue of jihadist activities. It is even told that Pakistan is funding various forms of Jihadist activities in the world, especially in the non Muslim nations. In brief, Pakistan in exporting terrorism in many countries. And it is continuing, because, most of the Muslim nations are extremely hostile towards the West and Israel. They are heavy with anti Semitic, anti Israel and anti Jewish notions, and always love to dream of the world ruled by clergies and radical Islamists, thus enforcing Shariah Rule.
Madrassas are already breeding ground of Jihadists and Friday prayers in most of the Muslim nations are filled with hate speech by the Muslim clergies and pronouncement of ‘Holy Reward with 72 virgins and heaven’ for those who can become ‘martyr’ in war against ‘enemies of Islam’. Mostly young and half-educated students of Madrassas as well as poor classes in the Muslim nations are greatly hypnotized with the sermons of the clergies. Media also plays significant role in promoting the culture of Jihad and religious hatred. This is a very serious situation, which needs to be addressed forthwith.
My profound condolence to the family members of the Esteemed Rabbi, his wife and everyone else, who were brutally murdered in Mumbai by Islamist militants.

]]> By: Dave Surls http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/11/28/the-thanksgiving-day-massacre-in-mumbai/comment-page-2/#comment-8632 Dave Surls Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:34:59 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/?p=446#comment-8632 "No, it was not an attack on the United States." Yes, it was. An attack on American citizens IS an attack on America. “No, it was not an attack on the United States.”

Yes, it was. An attack on American citizens IS an attack on America.

]]> By: wassom http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/11/28/the-thanksgiving-day-massacre-in-mumbai/comment-page-2/#comment-8618 wassom Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:47:10 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/?p=446#comment-8618 Phyllis, I am really dreading the 20th of January. This newest act of terror is just an example of things to come. To thwart another attack like this one, here on our soil, there would have to be a zero tolerance policy, and there isn't. We are trying our OWN soldiers in court for doing their job. We allow our flag to burn, our President to be mocked, and our borders to be open. And there is no one to guard the gate. Can you imagine, if Christians tried to force themselves or their beliefs on someone? I guess there is less tolerance for a manger scene in a public square, than there is for a terrorist highjacking an airplane or the torture and murder of innocent people. Phyllis, I am really dreading the 20th of January. This newest act of terror is just an example of things to come. To thwart another attack like this one, here on our soil, there would have to be a zero tolerance policy, and there isn’t. We are trying our OWN soldiers in court for doing their job. We allow our flag to burn, our President to be mocked, and our borders to be open. And there is no one to guard the gate.
Can you imagine, if Christians tried to force themselves or their beliefs on someone? I guess there is less tolerance for a manger scene in a public square, than there is for a terrorist highjacking an airplane or the torture and murder of innocent people.

]]> By: Yaacov Ben Moshe http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/11/28/the-thanksgiving-day-massacre-in-mumbai/comment-page-2/#comment-8614 Yaacov Ben Moshe Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:41:43 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/?p=446#comment-8614 I have a new post on this- I might have been more direct just writing this: The Ultimate Lesson of Mumbai- Save the Last Clip for Yourself and Your Family The “hostages” of Mumbai had not absorbed the lesson of 9/11. The captives that were taken, tortured disfigured and murdered in Mumbai were no less doomed than the passengers on the airliners on 9/11. They allowed themselves to be taken and abused by captors who did not want anything from them but to use them as instruments of terror. Only the brave passengers of flight 93 understood and acted on this. Let no westerner ever rationalize ignorance of this from this day forward... ....When (unless we wake up and do something, it is not a question of “if”) you are attacked, you are going to have to fight as hard as you can, for as long as you can if you want to have any hope of surviving. We have seen what they do to captives so you must never leave yourself at their mercy- they have none.... http://breathofthebeast.blogspot.com/2008/12/lessons-of-mumbai-to-long-for-bumper.html I have a new post on this- I might have been more direct just writing this:

The Ultimate Lesson of Mumbai- Save the Last Clip for Yourself and Your Family

The “hostages” of Mumbai had not absorbed the lesson of 9/11. The captives that were taken, tortured disfigured and murdered in Mumbai were no less doomed than the passengers on the airliners on 9/11. They allowed themselves to be taken and abused by captors who did not want anything from them but to use them as instruments of terror. Only the brave passengers of flight 93 understood and acted on this. Let no westerner ever rationalize ignorance of this from this day forward…

….When (unless we wake up and do something, it is not a question of “if”) you are attacked, you are going to have to fight as hard as you can, for as long as you can if you want to have any hope of surviving. We have seen what they do to captives so you must never leave yourself at their mercy- they have none….
http://breathofthebeast.blogspot.com/2008/12/lessons-of-mumbai-to-long-for-bumper.html

]]> By: TheAngryCapitalist http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/11/28/the-thanksgiving-day-massacre-in-mumbai/comment-page-1/#comment-8585 TheAngryCapitalist Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:03:39 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/?p=446#comment-8585 Make no mistake, the election of Barak Obama as 44th president of the United States represents the counterbalance that threatens to capsize the West and cast us all into the murkiness of, as Churchill might call it, a new Dark Age. Not only does his inexperience pose a serious and ominous threat to the safety of the citizenry, but his naiveté portends to embolden and energize the adversary that threatens our gates. Even his most ardent of supporters stand in bewildering silence when pressed to cite any reasonable example of foreign policy experience that has helped shape the future actions of their dear leader. They can not legitimately point to any such episode simply because prior to that fateful day in January when Obama is sworn in he has exited only in the realm of speculation and conjecture. What shakes one to the core is the realization that upon the shoulders of this neophyte rests the responsibility not only to parry the thrust made by the enemy but to gather the courage needed to unsheathe the sword and actually draw blood. It is disheartening to arrive at such a conclusion in the vacuum of theory and rhetoric, but when placed in the context of recent real world events, one is frightened on an unprecedented level. Never before in the history of our nation has the electorate risked so much on the unproven abilities of someone whose experience exists not in the realm of the real or factual, but solitarily on the fallacious theories of the university and their warped perception of reality.... More At: http://www.hostileopposition.blogspot.com Make no mistake, the election of Barak Obama as 44th president of the United States represents the counterbalance that threatens to capsize the West and cast us all into the murkiness of, as Churchill might call it, a new Dark Age. Not only does his inexperience pose a serious and ominous threat to the safety of the citizenry, but his naiveté portends to embolden and energize the adversary that threatens our gates. Even his most ardent of supporters stand in bewildering silence when pressed to cite any reasonable example of foreign policy experience that has helped shape the future actions of their dear leader. They can not legitimately point to any such episode simply because prior to that fateful day in January when Obama is sworn in he has exited only in the realm of speculation and conjecture. What shakes one to the core is the realization that upon the shoulders of this neophyte rests the responsibility not only to parry the thrust made by the enemy but to gather the courage needed to unsheathe the sword and actually draw blood. It is disheartening to arrive at such a conclusion in the vacuum of theory and rhetoric, but when placed in the context of recent real world events, one is frightened on an unprecedented level. Never before in the history of our nation has the electorate risked so much on the unproven abilities of someone whose experience exists not in the realm of the real or factual, but solitarily on the fallacious theories of the university and their warped perception of reality….

More At:
http://www.hostileopposition.blogspot.com

]]> By: Más sobre Bombay y sobre el fracaso de la prensa « Sarah Palin en Español http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/11/28/the-thanksgiving-day-massacre-in-mumbai/comment-page-1/#comment-8582 Más sobre Bombay y sobre el fracaso de la prensa « Sarah Palin en Español Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:48:08 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/?p=446#comment-8582 [...] Phyllis Chesler, en Pajamas Media, considera que el ataque es también contra los Estados Unidos (que es como los Estadounidenses al final ven a Occidente, como ellos solos, abandonados por el resto), y se pregunta: [...] [...] Phyllis Chesler, en Pajamas Media, considera que el ataque es también contra los Estados Unidos (que es como los Estadounidenses al final ven a Occidente, como ellos solos, abandonados por el resto), y se pregunta: [...]

]]> By: Lewis B http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/11/28/the-thanksgiving-day-massacre-in-mumbai/comment-page-1/#comment-8581 Lewis B Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:08:04 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/?p=446#comment-8581 http://www.hotklix.com/?ref=content/152704 People you have to watch this video in Urdu/Hindi from a major Pakistani cable TV program where in an analyst is going on about how just like 9/11 was orchestrated by Americans and Israelis, this one in Mumbai was orchestrated by ' Hindu Zionists '. The anchor agrees all the while saying ' sahi hai ' meaning that's right. The theory is that just like US used a fake 9/11 to attack Muslim lands, India will use this fake attack to go into Pakistan. There's a lot of taunting of the victims and assertions that the attackers were actually Hindus. This will be believed as usual by a lot of people in the Muslim world. This isn't a fringe program. It's a very popular TV hosted by Qudsia Qadri and the analyst is Zaid Hamid. http://www.hotklix.com/?ref=content/152704

People you have to watch this video in Urdu/Hindi from a major Pakistani cable TV program where in an analyst is going on about how just like 9/11 was orchestrated by Americans and Israelis, this one in Mumbai was orchestrated by ‘ Hindu Zionists ‘. The anchor agrees all the while saying ‘ sahi hai ‘ meaning that’s right. The theory is that just like US used a fake 9/11 to attack Muslim lands, India will use this fake attack to go into Pakistan. There’s a lot of taunting of the victims and assertions that the attackers were actually Hindus. This will be believed as usual by a lot of people in the Muslim world.

This isn’t a fringe program. It’s a very popular TV hosted by Qudsia Qadri and the analyst is Zaid Hamid.

]]> By: heather http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/11/28/the-thanksgiving-day-massacre-in-mumbai/comment-page-1/#comment-8574 heather Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:25:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/?p=446#comment-8574 it seems that the Jewish bodies, the ones killed at the Chabad(???) were different from the other bodies thrown up by this 'event.' These people were tortured before they were killed. This from Gateway pundit: he Mumbai terrorists tortured their Jewish hostages before they were murdered. Rediff.com reported at http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/30mumterror-doctors-shocked-at-hostagess-torture.htm: "Asked what was different about the victims of the incident, another doctor said: "It was very strange. I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was yet traumatised. A bomb blast victim's body might have been torn apart and could be a very disturbing sight. But the bodies of the victims in this attack bore such signs about the kind of violence of urban warfare that I am still unable to put my thoughts to words," he said. Asked specifically if he was talking of torture marks, he said: "It was apparent that most of the dead were tortured. What shocked me were the telltale signs showing clearly how the hostages were executed in cold blood," one doctor said. The other doctor, who had also conducted the post-mortem of the victims, said: "Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again," he said. Corroborating the doctors' claims about torture was the information that the Intelligence Bureau had about the terror plan. "During his interrogation, Ajmal Kamal said they were specifically asked to target the foreigners, especially the Israelis," an IB source said." it seems that the Jewish bodies, the ones killed at the Chabad(???) were different from the other bodies thrown up by this ‘event.’ These people were tortured before they were killed. This from Gateway pundit:
he Mumbai terrorists tortured their Jewish hostages before they were murdered.
Rediff.com reported at
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/30mumterror-doctors-shocked-at-hostagess-torture.htm:

“Asked what was different about the victims of the incident, another doctor said: “It was very strange. I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was yet traumatised. A bomb blast victim’s body might have been torn apart and could be a very disturbing sight. But the bodies of the victims in this attack bore such signs about the kind of violence of urban warfare that I am still unable to put my thoughts to words,” he said.

Asked specifically if he was talking of torture marks, he said: “It was apparent that most of the dead were tortured. What shocked me were the telltale signs showing clearly how the hostages were executed in cold blood,” one doctor said.

The other doctor, who had also conducted the post-mortem of the victims, said: “Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again,” he said.

Corroborating the doctors’ claims about torture was the information that the Intelligence Bureau had about the terror plan. “During his interrogation, Ajmal Kamal said they were specifically asked to target the foreigners, especially the Israelis,” an IB source said.”

]]> By: marymcl http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/11/28/the-thanksgiving-day-massacre-in-mumbai/comment-page-1/#comment-8573 marymcl Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:24:09 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/?p=446#comment-8573 @42 Robert, there's nothing wrong with being a fool, so long as you're only kidding yourself. But a contemptible fool is a danger to everyone. And you're not kidding anyone, are you? Rediff India Abroad News quotes one of the doctors who autopsied the slain hostages as saying, "Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again." Read the whole thing, if you think your prejudices can stand it. http://tinyurl.com/6frj3y @42 Robert, there’s nothing wrong with being a fool, so long as you’re only kidding yourself. But a contemptible fool is a danger to everyone. And you’re not kidding anyone, are you?

Rediff India Abroad News quotes one of the doctors who autopsied the slain hostages as saying,

“Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again.”

Read the whole thing, if you think your prejudices can stand it.

http://tinyurl.com/6frj3y

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