91 Comments

1. Tina Trent:

I think it would be victims of rape in America who would be in the forefront of demanding recognition and justice for endangered women worldwide.

Dec 12, 2008 - 2:15 pm 2. marymcl:

You are a brave and generous soul, Phyllis, but the President-elect is going to disappoint you. It’s unlikely “this task” will ever be his.

And what’s to be done with the Hutus anyway? If this is what they do wherever they are, then seriously, what’s to be done? Kill them all? Shoot them into space? What you describe is Hell and it’s all over Africa. And I’m sorry, but I have to ask, what is it exactly that explains how South African men can be so cruelly stupid for so long? Again, what is to be done?

Whosoever may demand justice for the women of Africa, we should never forget it will be the blood and sacrifice of other men that will save them, or nothing.

Dec 12, 2008 - 9:07 pm 3. Dave:

Hopefully President Obama will do nothing.

Well, nothing except use executive orders to suspend certain statutes and regulations that bar the private sector from doing what it can in all these places.

Remember: Nobody ever raped a .357. Providing such instruments to those in dire need of same
should NOT be against the law.

Dec 12, 2008 - 11:38 pm 4. Max Friedman:

While this effort by Oxfam is laudable, they were the ones who sided with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong against America’s efforts to keep So. Vietnam (and Cambodia and Laos) from falling under Hanoi’s communist and expansionist aggression, and the resulting genocide which still goes on today against the Montegnards.

Their leadership back then in the 70’s was British and very anti-American. Have they changed at all, or are they just playing us for suckers?

With the UN being the home of those perpetrating these crimes against women, and Obama being a multilaterialist at heart, and coward in reality, don’t expect the American people to jump into another war where we would not be allowed to destroy the enemy.

In a better world, America would have been in there in an instance and would have cleaned up, but look at us still stuck in Kosovo/Bosnia/etc and the legacy of Rwanda that Clinton left us and the world.

Let us lift up our voices and charge the UN and the rest of the world with allowing “gender genocide” but don’t expect anyone to do anything about it. That is the sorrow and the pity of what we face today.

Dec 13, 2008 - 1:00 am 5. David Thomson:

“How will you be able to convince our own multi-culturalists that we have the right to “interfere,” that we command the moral high ground to do so?”

Our own multi-culturalists? Isn’t Barack Obama also one of these people? Isn’t he possibly a self-hating American? Should so many voters have ignored Obama’s connections to the political doctrines of Saul Alinsky?

Dec 13, 2008 - 4:52 am 6. marymcl:

And lest we forget, Islam treats women and girls like dogmeat. People who want to avoid facing up to the inevitable can split hairs all they want about whether the Muslim world’s endemic misogyny is religious or cultural. Me, I like the fact that Saddam’s #1 son is no longer around to rape a new 12-year-old girl every night and beat her to death in the morning. But I don’t kid myself about how that came to be. It’s just one happy incidental benefit of the war we brought to Iraq. You know, the phony war, the wrong war, the illegal war, Bush-and-Cheney’s-war-for-oil, etc. It will be no different anywhere else. Nothing short of war will stop it, and the “humanitarians” among us will be the last to realize that, if ever.

Dec 13, 2008 - 6:52 am 7. Morton Doodslag:

In case you haven’t noticed — our unprecedented aid to third world nations over the last century have abetted the catastrophic explosion of those third world populations — so much so that today the Earth’s resources are stretched to the breaking point.

Further, those third world nations, especially those cesspools trafficking in slavery and bondage, which especially includes that swath of Islamic nations (Saudi Arabia only “outlawed” slavery in 1961 — and still practices it openly along with all their Arab buddies…), have not become our friends — they have become our mortal enemies — and through our medicine with which they birth an exploding pool of Jihadis, and with our technology, with which they execute their genocidal war of annihilation against all “infidels”.

“Helping” the third world seems to be the surest path towards utterly destroying our society, not to mention the planet at large. American Messianism, as expressed by Ms. Chesler above will be the death of us all, not our salvation.

Dec 13, 2008 - 12:17 pm 8. AnninCA:

We must continue globalization, precisely for the reasons outlined in this article.

There are many issues related to unfairness to people that are, in my opinion, related to power, poverty, and survival.

We only can address the underlying causes. Getting involved in cultural warfares is stupid.

But…..address the underlying cause.

I think Bush did great things in Africa. I trust Obama will extend that legacy. Clinton’s foundation is doing great things.

There is a solution. It may not be instant. But there is a solution.

Dec 13, 2008 - 1:49 pm 9. DavidN:

This whole discussion is truly weird. In the first half of the last century (roughly) Africa was, for the most part, ruled by colonial powers. Say what you like of them, in terms of theft of resources, racism, and other crimes against humanity, they didn’t (often anyway) tolerate this sort of widespread lawlessness. Nevertheless, when the colonial powers left and African countries gained their independence, the typically denounced colonialism, and have routinely blamed everything bad since (be it deliberate or accidental) on the aftermath of the colonial system, or someone trying to perpetuate it under another name.

Now we’re told that President Obama should do something, have a plan, to end sexual violence against women in Congo. People who put such a statement forward typically don’t have any clue what they’re talking about, and in this instance it’s especially clear. The only similar assertion in modern times that I can think of is Mavis Leno’s quixotic insistence that President Bush et al stop the Taliban from mistreating women in Afghanistan. I said at the time to my wife that the only way to stop the Taliban from mistreating women would be to invade the country and militarily overthrow them: I think that subsequent events proved me right, at least insofar as the steps President Bush took didn’t have any effect, until U.S. armed forces threw the Taliban from power.

A similar situation prevails in Congo, and anywhere else in Africa, or the world for that matter. If violent people are doing things like rape, robbery, mass murder, and the like, forming a committee in the U.N., denouncing them publicly, writing editorials in the New York Times or Paris Match, sending aid via some international N.G.O., will be ineffective. If, for some unrelated reason, the violence abates or ceases, everyone will credit themselves, but if it continues, they’ll rationalize their ineffectiveness and continue to quixotically attempt to make things happen because they *want* them to. Occasionally, when the rainmaker does his little dance, it does rain. When it doesn’t, everyone thinks *this* rainmaker isn’t quite skilled enough. Almost no one concludes the process is ineffective in the first place.

The logical conclusion of above? The only effective thing the U.S. (under President Obama or anyone else) could do is send the 82nd Airborne Division, or maybe some Marines. This would entail enormous political capital, enormous financial capital, be an enormous strain on an already stretched military, and probably involve the U.S. either leaving a dilemma half-solved, or staying the course (to use President Bush’s now much-derided phrase) for a good 20-30 years at least. Wringing our hands and creating another N.G.O. won’t have an effect on anything but our wallets and our consciences, without doing anything for those who need someone’s help.

Dec 13, 2008 - 2:53 pm 10. Bugs:

How about we stop treating the Congolese and other third world populations as if they were irresponsible children in need of our moral direction – and let them solve their own problems? We can express our disapproval of their societies or political systems, but we should not be making “plans” to “end” their social ills. Not our job.

Dec 13, 2008 - 3:11 pm 11. Ann:

Is it arrogance or ignorance that drives the libs to continue daydreaming about the wonderful day that will dawn when Obama takes power?

They really are completely out of it. Through the election, I was willing to blow it off as ignorant enthusiasm. Now I’m beginning to think that they (like him) are truly full of the most dangerous arrogance.

Unbelievable.

Dec 13, 2008 - 3:57 pm 12. RF:

It’s truly a sad situation in the Congo, Nigeria. I watched a program on the box, KVIE I think, women in Africa were meeting with their rapist perpetrators, and eating dinner with them. The rapist had “apologized” to the women just before or during the dinner. The only punishment the rapist perpetrator had go go through was some kind of “community” meeting or reprimand.
Looks like their on the way to a perfect “democracy”…/sarc off

Dec 13, 2008 - 4:36 pm 13. momof3:

We’ve got plenty of problems of our own here to solve. Horrendous things occur in Africa, yes, and apparently always have. I’m not sure independence was a good thing for those countries. But we can’t police the world. We just don’t have the manpower.

Dec 13, 2008 - 6:09 pm 14. Marie Claude:

Sarko just refused to send EU troops, arguing that there are already 17000 soldiers from the UN there, and that only 800 are serving

yes Africa was a better place during the colonisation, now they can’t cohabit under democratic rules,I can’t see which country would colonise them again, there are too many merchands from all over the world that try to grap any left stuff there, Chineses are the most

Dec 13, 2008 - 7:03 pm 15. Ben Florsheim:

The Stalinists at Oxfam are willing to do absolutely EVERYTHING for their cause – get government money, hold conferences at plush hotels, discuss the situation over cheese and wine, write impassioned letters to the Guardian, etc.

Oxfam will do everything, that is, except ARM these desperate African women. As another poster pointed out, “NOBODY EVER RAPED A .357.”

Dec 13, 2008 - 7:44 pm 16. Mama Pajama:

OXFAM was right in there with the support for the Islamic canard of Palestinians “read Islam” as victims that inaugured, sustained and legitimized Islamic terrorism as policy. Currency to the Islamic propaganda campaign against the one Jewish State in the world – incitement to anti-Semitism. Now their concern is about women in Africa? How many are aware of Islamic insurgency against the Christians in non-Islamic ruled countries in Africa? These are reported as inter-tribal wars with its horrific consequence of genocide.

The hypocrisy for OXFAM to jump on another bandwagon this time concern for “Women in Africa” is just another justification scheme to stay on the map of financial recipiency.

As for Africa, decades of corrupt leaderships, frequent changes of Heads of States brought into place through violence is a matter never given the coverage in the context under which it occurs. As in such corrupt dictatorships monies for causes provided mainly if not exclusively from Western democratic countries finds itself in banks accounts of its politicians.

Without the factor of accountability expected from “help” organizations of which OXFAM is but one among many, representing themselves as guardians for human rights, women’s rights, Palestinian rights – we are vulnerable to sort of Ponzi schemes in which the beneficiaries are kept behind doors few demand be opened.

Dec 13, 2008 - 7:58 pm 17. ahem:

You know, Phyllis, these things truly ARE horrible, but Obama is not going to do a goddam thing about them. The only response is military, and Bush just spent 8 years being vilified for trying to stop innocent people from being tossed into wood chippers or be buried alive in shallow trenches. Why do you think Clinton couldn’t decide on the meaning of the word, ‘genocide’? There’s nothing in it politically.

At its core, the Left cares nothing for its fellow human beings. Don’t believe me? Where is the outcry from American feminists about this? Where is the outcry from American feminists about the honor killings that are taking place all over Europe and the US? It’s nonexistent. There are fashions in thought, and this is just not a fashionable idea right now.

Dec 13, 2008 - 8:46 pm 18. robotech master:

I do find this article a bit naive at best… outside of the US/canada and europe and a handful of other islands scattered across the world… this happens everywhere…This is the real world.. the “common world” the world as it really is, The norm of the world… Countries like the US are the odd balls of the world… waking up to this fact is the first step toward doing something about it.

The whole argument that africa is somehow “special” has always amused me in that respect… what about almost all of latin AM, Asia and even in europe.

The first action must be to cut any and all forms of foreign aid.(to including either cutting the budget completely from the UN or just straight withdrawing out of it) This will at least slow the problem down over the course of a few decades. Next is to teach ppl that the UN is completely worthless… they often do nothing when sending “help” to them… or worse they do something which is normally to join in on the raping and pillaging.

Sending in mercenaries can slow the problem on a large scale… however short of sending in both US troopers and US mercenaries on a large scale and taking over a country every 10-20 years. Holding it, setting up a government run by the US and an education system run by the US, combined with about 30 years of that(much like we did with japan and germany after WW2) your never going to change anything.

Invading and controlling the land for decades is the only answer period… anything short is a bandaid on a missing limb…

Dec 13, 2008 - 10:21 pm 19. Yaakov Watkins:

ahem is right. Not to mention that if we go into the Congo, we will be accused of doing it for racist reasons within 6 months and we will be there for 50 years.

Dec 13, 2008 - 11:17 pm 20. cedarford:

Florsheim – Oxfam will do everything, that is, except ARM these desperate African women. As another poster pointed out, “NOBODY EVER RAPED A .357.”

Any women in those craphole countries given a .357 would be machine-gunned from a relatively safe distance as soon as she waved it, and a .357 pried out of her dead hands would make an excellent weapon for a small child soldier.
Arm the women, and the soldiers shoot them from a distance – or roll hand grenades into any possible “armed citizen home” – then rape the survivors. Or her husband or one of her “boyfriends” would beat her and take it – because while the women go through an bad rape, the military-age men face higher threats as they are conscripted as expendable slave labor or killed on sight and they would figure they need a gun more than the women do.

You don’t arm the women. You arm the Darfur Muslims, and the Congo men with real weapons (AK-47s, RPGs, mortars and train them as a militia…with any luck they will beat the oppressor and soon be in power, raping and pillaging others…

Dec 14, 2008 - 3:21 am 21. Tony R:

Phyllis writes…”The Islamic government stoned Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, a 13 year-old victim of gang-rape to death in a stadium filled with 1,000 spectators.”

I think women, especially the feminist harpies, need to read that sentence over and over again, as slowly as possible, until they fully understand what it says and means.

Men in western civilised nations are not their enemies and the savagery towards women in places like Africa and various Islamic states should wake them up to this fact.

Perhaps they are afraid to face the truths coming out of the Congo because to do so would be to admit how utterly fragile the womans position is in the world today without the support of civilised intelligent men.

Imagine western men deciding that they are tired of listening to the remorseless feminist male-bashing and decided that there’d be no backlash to treating women like those dirty animals do in Africa?

Feminists, and women in general, need to work out who their real enemy is and move the frontlines in their “war”. The current trend of the feminisation of the western world, making it wrong to use physical force even when it is desperately required, will ultimately be to the detriment of all women everywhere.

Dec 14, 2008 - 4:13 am 22. Marie Claude:

robotech, you are dreaming, this is Africa, where ethnies prevail, in 10 years the same mess will start again

Dec 14, 2008 - 4:21 am 23. Ian Thorpe:

No doubt “President-elect” Obama will claim he knew nothing about the problem, that is becoming his stock response to everything.

To understand the scale of this problem it is necessary to understand the social significance of these rapes, genocidal rape as you correctly put it. First we need to get over the obstacle built by MLK. There is no such thing as “Black Consciousness” the imaginary bond of goodwill that links all people of the dark skinned races. The African continent is the most racist place on earth and the racial violence is black on black.

African cultures are still tribal and some very strange beliefs persist that are nothing to do with Christianity or Islam. One of these relates to the use of rape as a weapon of war. There is a widespread belief that if a woman has sex with a man other than her husband he offspring will be “tainted with that man’s seed.” In a tribal culture this means if a rape is committed by a member of another tribe the woman’s subsequent children, even those fathered by her husband, can never be true members of the tribe. In the west a form of this fallacy persisted among pedigree do breeders until quite recently.

This was the thinking when Ralia Odinga, joint Prime Minister of Kenya and allegedly a cousin of Barak Obama on the female side, ordered the rape of Kikuyu virgins as part of his policy of driving the Kikuyu out of Kenya and establishing a political elite made up entirely of Luo tribe members.

Those young women raped in the Odinga inspired wave of violence now have no value as wives, their children will be tainted and so no Kikuyu will take them as a wife. They are without status in the tribe and if they are lucky may find sweat – shop work in the cities. Otherwise they could become domestic servants which in Africa often means a life of being abused, or they could drift into prostitution.

It will take more than talk of hope and change to eradicate such deeply embedded befiefs should Sidi Barak hussein Obama even have the will to take on the problem.

Dec 14, 2008 - 7:41 am 24. Thomas Hazlewood:

Riiight! What Obama should do is fix- Africa? But, isn’t that condescending? Imperialistic? Maybe you think it’s a ‘black’ thing? What a waste of space this column was…..

Dec 14, 2008 - 7:43 am 25. lucy:

Sorry. This is none of our business. As societies they don’t want our help anymore than the Palestinians want to be brought into the modern world. It’s a tragedy and it’s a humanitarian disaster but this is how they operate. America will simply be accused of imperialistic designs if it attempts to “help”.
Rouse the UN. If they can stop raping little girls in Cote D’Ivoire long enough maybe they can do something about this crisis.

Dec 14, 2008 - 8:08 am 26. Ann:

Upon further thought, if indeed PO (that would the future POTUS) can indeed succeed in Phyllis’ recommended project, here are some others she might want to promote:

1. The eastern parts of Russia (Siberian) are steadily losing their “infrastructure” as they have dwindling hours of electricity available each day as the now decentralized supply system collapses. Somebody has to DO SOMETHING!!

2. There are STILL people without blankets in the mountains of Pakistan whose houses are STILL not rebuilt from the earthquake 3 years (or so) ag. Somebody has to DO SOMETHING!!

3. Now a hospital/medical center in Galveston has had to lay off many employees, in the wake of the hurricane damage. Somebody has to DO SOMETHING!!

4. Even as we speak, the cholesterol of the native populations of inland Alaska is high. HIGH, I tell. It’s SHOCKING! It’s APPALLING! Somebody has to DO SOMETHING!!

The list could go on…and on…and on….

For any one who cares to think about it, even Jesus Christ Himself did not prevent every death or every injustice while He was on earth, and He lived His entire life and entire ministry under the authority and presence of the occupying Roman military.

Dec 14, 2008 - 8:28 am 27. MarkD:

Colonialism is over. If you want to help these people, consider lobbying for lower tariffs on things Africa can produce. Charitable organizations do good work too. However, their corruption and tribalism is their problem, not ours. Nothing short of military intervention will solve this, and our military is busy.

I do wonder if the same people who condemned bush over Iraq would condemn Obama over Africa.

Dec 14, 2008 - 9:01 am 28. marymcl:

@12 RF
What you saw was sharia in action. One thing we can *do something* about is be uncompromisingly vigilant in the face of its creeping insinuation into the civic, academic, legal and financial life of our own country

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2957428/Sharia-law-courts-operating-in-Britain.html

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/07/31/censorship-alert-shariafinancewatchorg-shut-down-by-wordpress/

Dec 14, 2008 - 10:59 am 29. robotech master:

22. Marie Claude

Your understanding of warfare/history in africa/history of warfare in africa is lacking…

Dec 14, 2008 - 11:39 am 30. james wilson:

Who is this “we”? How about you get your limosine liberal butt off to the Dark Continent to spread the Word.
Meanwhile your friends back here can organize the Phyllis Chesler Memorial Fund, and not some soldiers.
One may well ask, who IS that internal propagandist and what does he really want with us? Hope animates the wise, and lures the presumptous.

Dec 14, 2008 - 11:59 am 31. Marie Claude:

might-be Robotech, though we have quite a lot of them that come as illegals ; governments have been set in Africa either by UK, or by France (in the occurence, Belgium), there were still strong civil infrastructures that were assisted by a post colonial agreement, this worked “well” until the leaders that had given posts to their ethnical peers die, then the mess came, other tribes wanted to share the occidental subventions (that they will send into an anonymous account in Swizerland)and also armed by different political and or religious powers. So if we want that these countries become sane again, we’ll have to decide to occupy and administrate them again

Dec 14, 2008 - 12:14 pm 32. robotech master:

To 31. Marie Claude:

I don’t understand what you post anymore you are contradicting yourself…

Dec 14, 2008 - 12:58 pm 33. Marie Claude:

I don’t think so, this is the option that could work but NOT conceivable by our political corrected governments

Dec 14, 2008 - 1:21 pm 34. Evil Pundit:

Well said, Tony R. I’m sick of leftist-feminists preaching about the evils of white heterosexual males.

Dec 14, 2008 - 1:35 pm 35. Dave D:

Uh, for one thing, why is this on a site considered to be center-right? This is about as progressive a mindset or ideal as can be. Is PJM some kind of stealth blog?

Second, it is impossible for us to do something about it. We would have to literally adminster the country to prevent this, and if Iraq would be a cakewalk compared to stepping into the congo.

and wtf is this?

“How will you be able to convince unemployed Americans that our budget belongs not only to ourselves but to foreign lands too?”

Look, the USA should only be acting when we have a compelling national interest-our budget is not other nations, and is not to be used to butress other nations except insofar as it also helps our self-interest. I agree that these things are tragic and inhumane, but first it is the order for the congo government to actually GOVERN.

We shouldn’t be tossing away our citizens lives and our own money to help a government that does not rule and does not care about the value of its own people. Unless the UN actively stepped in and administered the entire country, we’d waste money and perpetuate this.

Again PJM, keep publishing progressive things like this and i will start suspecting you want to be a part of the msm, not an alternative to it.

Dec 14, 2008 - 2:15 pm 36. Instapundit » Blog Archive » PHYLLIS CHESLER: President-elect Obama: Are We Our African Sisters’ Keepers?…:

[...] PHYLLIS CHESLER: President-elect Obama: Are We Our African Sisters’ Keepers? [...]

Dec 14, 2008 - 3:51 pm 37. robotech master:

33. Marie Claude:

Once again I don’t think I understand your argument….

“our political corrected government” would never deploy US troops to africa to take over and hold land… nor for that matter would it EVER deploy mercs to do that or to slow the bleeding that is going on across africa… so isn’t it a given that the government wouldn’t be like our current one…

Dec 14, 2008 - 4:32 pm 38. robotech master:

To 35. Dave D:

We shouldn’t be tossing away our citizens lives and our own money to help a government that does not rule and does not care about the value of its own people. Unless the UN actively stepped in and administered the entire country, we’d waste money and perpetuate this.

Their is nothing in the world more of a waste of money then the UN…having the UN run a country is like saying you want bin laden, hitler, stalin, Mao or any of a host of anti-US leaders running the country…

Dec 14, 2008 - 4:48 pm 39. Larsen E Whipsnade:

The Christian west offered to help, and help they did by colonising much of Africa. Colonisation worked, and civilization spread within Africa. Missionaries knew what the problem was (and still is). Africans really get off on doing things to each other that no civilized society would ever tolerate. Together, missionaries and armed colonizers started to straighten Africa out. It’s tough to admit it, but applied Christianity worked. However the liberals didn’t have the stomach to follow through and the colonizers left. Everywhere civilization was growing is now reverting back to the natural condition. Before help can return to Africa, the world must decide: is Africa better off now – descending back into its original evil condition? Or was it better off when hard-ass Christians had the gumption to roll up their sleeves and wade in with guns blazing?

Dec 14, 2008 - 4:49 pm 40. Ellen:

Let them stew in their own juices. Somalia showed us the subtle joys of trying to help.

Dec 14, 2008 - 5:05 pm 41. SamIam:

Africa is a hopeless case. A culture of tribalism, corruption, little education, and yes, lower IQ averages across the board make any effort to save them fruitless. Let’s not waste our resources on it. Virtually the whole continent is a roaring hell-hole and basket case and the fortunate blacks whose ancestors were traded to white slavers by other blacks who captured them should count their blessings today.

Dec 14, 2008 - 5:13 pm 42. Micha Elyi:

Tony R is so correct when he admonishes “women, especially the feminist harpies” that “men in western civilised nations are not their enemies.” However, using misogynistic practices in other countries (taught to men by the women who raised them, by the way) to directly or indirectly attack and shame Western men in general and American men specifically is an old feminist rhetorical trick.

James Wilson also makes a good point when he challenges the limousine liberal feminist to hie herself “off to the Dark Continent to spread the Word.” I’d also like to see feminists like Chesler organize their own Team America force of Amazons for the purpose of fighting and dying to rescue Women In Jeopardy&#8482. Ahh, but dying is what feminists consider men’s work so we may never see feminists quit relying on the same men that feminists routinely disparage. There’s no double standard like a feminist’s double standard!

I recall the pre-9/11 whining of Chesler-like feminists for the U.S. to intervene in Afghanistan to Do Something™ to save Afghani damsels in distress from the mean ol’ Taliban, even something kind’a military-like but not with the real U.S. Army because it’s full of those icky men and good feminists all believe “all men are rapists and that’s all they are.” (This trope, so succintly expressed by Marilyn French, is found in the work of Catharine MacKinnon, Susan Griffith, Judith Levine, Cheryl Clarke, thousands of lesser-known self-styled women’s activists and hordes of so-called women’s studies professors.)

Before the next feminist whines, let’s see in print the long-overdue apology that feminist owes to Western men in general and an extra, especially penitent, apology that is specifically owed to American men.

Dec 14, 2008 - 5:23 pm 43. Michael B:

This is not “progressive” in the presumptive and hyper-ideological sense of the term. Ms. Chesler is articulating a sound moral/ethical concern, facing the facts as they present themselves. It is also telling that exceedingly few – if any – so-called “progressives” are calling for action, either in terms of the Congo Republic or in terms of Sudan.

None of that presumes a specific solution or course to take as a nation, but the horrors in places such as the Congo or Sudan are particularly onerous, are particularly repugnant, are in fact readily ranked among the worst horrors recorded in all of human history.

At some point it – necessarily – becomes true that wwe are our brothers’ keeper, we are our sisters’ keeper. At that point it “necessarily” becomes true because we become a lesser people, lesser human agensts and less as humans in general if doing nothing, however rationalized, becomes an putatively “acceptable” response. That’s true regardless whether that lack of action results from an active and conscious apathy or instead results from a passive or willful ignorance and avoidance.

One of the worst and largely unexamined aspects of the Multi-Culti ethos is its demonstrated ability to imagine that by ignoring certain situations, whether locally or around the globe, we are somehow “respecting” their cultural and social situation – i.e. are putatively respecting “the other.” Notable rationalizations in the mold could be seen in the case of both Afghanistan and Iraq, and they can also be seen in situations such as Zimbabwe, Sudan and the Congo Republic. Their are other aspects of each situations, obviously, that need to be taken into account as well, but merely placing one’s head in the sand – as the MSM and others have largely done in the instance of the Congo – or rationalizing a provincialism or isolationism to the point where such abysses of horror can continue to be perpetrated is nothing less than aiding and abetting those very horrors.

Dec 14, 2008 - 5:27 pm 44. Marie Claude:

Robotech, what do you want me to tell more ?

that whatever we”ll do like in the former decades won’t work, the rational solution is to colonise them again, (ie Larsen) but I don’t see that happening for good raisons, too many inconveniences within the international policies are now involved, so who’s going to decide that ? actually I see none !

Dec 14, 2008 - 5:32 pm 45. Pay Attention:

–In case you haven’t noticed — our unprecedented aid to third world nations over the last century have abetted the catastrophic explosion of those third world populations — so much so that today the Earth’s resources are stretched to the breaking point.–

The words of amoral, nascent-Nazi, moonbat.

Dec 14, 2008 - 5:34 pm 46. Hellfish:

Seriously? The world would dare ask the US government to undertake another military sacrifice? Why, so you can politically force the US government to tie the hands of our forces through restrictive rules of engagement and force them to endue unnecessary casualties? Then you’ll accuse the US of not being multilateral enough. Then it will be an unjust war for (insert stupid item here). Then you’ll be calling for ICC prosecution of the slightest crossing of a line or innocent casualty. Then many governments of the world will actively work against the US during the war. No one else will fight beside us. No one else will offer to pay for the cost.

Sorry world. Look in the mirror. Those responsible for the continued rape of Africa are looking back at you. This Atlas has shrugged – even obama isn’t stupid enough to get the US involved in this situation.

Dec 14, 2008 - 5:44 pm 47. AndyJ:

Why is this an American problem-?
The same people who pillory the US for invading Iraq to stop a killer from partnering with terrorists and killing more Americans want the US to enter Africa.

We lack the political will, manpower, money, and ability to solve all the problems of Africa. Why not request that the EU do the job-? Or China-? Or Russia-?

Rape is horrible. Is it worth than death by starvation (Darfur) Cholera (Zimbabwe), terrorism and banditry (Somalia, etc.), economic slavery through corruption (Nigeria, Congo)… Where do we stop-?

Why should we intervene-? Where are the resources-? Magical wishing will not get Americans to invest our young in a multi generational war and occupation to establish Africa as a civilized part or the world.

We went into Kosovo and the Balkans for humanitarian reasons. President Clinton promised the troops would be home by Christmas. He failed to say which Christmas. How many young do we send-? For how many Christmases-?

Why do those who oppose American Imperialism want us to act like an empire-?

Dec 14, 2008 - 5:52 pm 48. Hellfish:

Quote:

Before the next feminist whines, let’s see in print the long-overdue apology that feminist owes to Western men in general and an extra, especially penitent, apology that is specifically owed to American men.

Spot on. That would be a nice first step.

Dec 14, 2008 - 5:54 pm 49. JohnR223:

The last time we tried to help in Africa was in Somolia in 1993. Our reward was having our soldiers killed and dragged thru the streets in front of cheering crowds. No thanks.

Dec 14, 2008 - 5:54 pm 50. exhelodrvr:

Air strikes against the leadership would be very effective.

Unfortunately, that would result in a massive propaganda effort against the U.S., so it isn’t a realistic choice.

Dec 14, 2008 - 6:38 pm 51. bl:

Praise be to Dr. Chesler for acknowledging Alertnet and Oxfam America’s desperate cry for help to end rape in the Congo.

She has made her own cries in the past (American pyschiatric hospitals, Darfur, etc.) and her vigliance must be supported. I don’t read her essay, title aside, as some kind of (dare I say) paternalistic gesture, but rather her consistent adherence to her “feminist” roots, contributions, and humane principles. Rape is wrong (gang, heterosexual, or homosexual), “isms” be damned!

Everyone of us should heed this, and first and foremost, our president-elect! Why!

Because of his roots to Africa! He should start there and make an example so that others elsewhere will know that these acts of brutality will not be tolerated by the leader and the people of the free world that he represents.

Using physical and psychological power to humiliate innocent individuals is the ultimate dehumanizationing act (of course, genocide, trumps) any movement can do. It will not only enrage us but increase our resolve to end those who perpetrate it even more.

Unfortunately, too many do not get this and therefore, we need a woman/sister/daughter/mom to be all of our keepers, to remind us of what is good and what is bad! Right and Wrong!

Thank you, Phyllis!

Dec 14, 2008 - 6:56 pm 52. myth buster:

I don’t know about the Congo, but I know a nuclear bomb to Sudan’s capital would put a serious dent in the humanitarian crisis in Darfur, as well as a lot of other Islamic terrorism. Set one off, then sit back and watch them tremble seeing the fireworks.

Dec 14, 2008 - 7:06 pm 53. Susan Two Dogs:

39. Larsen E Whipsnade
I’m afraid you’re so wrong about the problems in Africa. The problems are a direct result of years of oppression by white Christian males. When will we learn that the only answer is for the beastly western oppresors to leave all of Africa and for all African peoples to join together in democratic justice. Have we learned nothing from years of apartheid and the subsequent oppression of native peoples in amerika which followed?

Dec 14, 2008 - 7:09 pm 54. Horace Wells:

Oh, I am so sick of Africa, I am sick of all the do gooders of all stripes who keep those savages alive so they can perpetrate the next atrocity or create another man made famine. It isn’t our fault what happens there. If they can’t or won’t take care of themselves then let them die off. The only solution I see is re-colonization maybe under int’l mandate. Professor Watson is right and his critics are fools

Dec 14, 2008 - 7:27 pm 55. Ann:

I do NOT need anyone to “be my keeper” or to “remind me of what is good and what is bad”! Grow up.

And, by the way, Bambi has never acknowledged his “roots to Africa”. According to him, he sprang out of Hawaii and his only forebear is a (typical) white grandmother.

Dec 14, 2008 - 7:28 pm 56. Horace Wells:

JohnR223:
don’t forget the thousand of them we killed in return. It is pointless to just take out the current crop of leaders there, it just means a new bunch of savages would rise up. The whole place is in shambles.

Dec 14, 2008 - 7:30 pm 57. bl:

Oh Ann and mythbuster,

Barack is african American, even balancing Angels on a pin, and mythbuster, don’t you get it. It’s not about killing people, it’s about change as difficult as that may be. Does anyone remember Carl Sagan and his side project, “Nuclear Winter”? Even a limited nuclear war will doom our fragile eco-system, so it’s not BOMBS AWAY, it’s my karma ran over my dogma! Change humanity! Don’t destroy us all!

Dec 14, 2008 - 7:36 pm 58. robotech master:

53. Susan Two Dogs: Your a college professor aren’t you?

To 57. bl “It’s not about killing people,”

Well I hate to break it to you but it is about killing ppl(though I don’t approve of the nuking). Africa’s problem is that theirs no directed killing… which is what US forces need to bring to the region. By have US force engage and kill anything and everything that even looks wrong you will be able to gain control and thus fix the problems there… any plan of realistic action will include a death toll of likely 10-25% of the total pop of africa(depending on how fast they wise up to the fact they aren’t going to be allowed to run around and do whatever they want).

Over population is a huge problem and while a sad side effect of the warfare required to bring the area to peace it will still be of huge benefit to the areas.

Over population is the root causes of alot of the current problems(which is why all aid to those countries needs to be stopped). As long as their population keeps increasing then the tension and warfare will raise in ratio…

Dec 14, 2008 - 9:18 pm 59. WestGuard:

If these woman adopt a Lorraine Bobbit strategy the problem will resolve itself.

Dec 14, 2008 - 10:05 pm 60. Horace Wells:

Anyone want to volunteer for the new US Colonial Africa Corps? You get some nice weapons and a snazzy pith helmet. Honestly once we go into Darfur, then Congo, then Rwanda, then Rhodesia, the Sierra Leone, then Niger, then Nigeria, then Liberia, then the next basket case. Are we supposed to turn it all into some suburb of the US or some Euro new town? This is fantasy thinking combining the worst of colonialism with Wilsonianism. That will make Iraq seem like a commando raid.

Dec 14, 2008 - 10:08 pm 61. Judy, NYC:

if we want to bring some sort of purposeful and meaningful aid to the women of africa, we don’t have to do it militarily. we can use technology, with inexpensive computers programmed in their own language to teach the strategies of defense against the victimizers. i do think every unprotected woman in africa should be armed and we can supply that. as women, we are not such fragile flowers that we can’t pull a trigger. properly trained women can disable an attacker faster than a man can grab a gun away. women serve in our own military, and as our police enforcers. we can educate women in how to protect themselves, how to employ strength in numbers. and, how to kill. they may have to make changes,and not live seperately with husbands, but communally. we can help with that. and, we can provide early warning devices.

this may take time and certainly a good deal of determination on the part of these vulnerable women, but in my view, it is a more productive effort than sending our children and husbands and wives into what are essentially civil wars. we can also save women and their families. not by going in, but by getting them out, literally. military intervention in the context of fighting will only result in our being trapped once again in a web from which we can’t extricate ourselves.

i am weary of the unevolved’s position that whatever we do is wrong, regardless of whether they are from the black, brown, red or white tribes or any combination thereof. especially, from the UN, which is completely ineffective, anti-western, admirers and supporters of terrorists and the countries who love them. it is nothing more than an echo chamber, where they all hate us and our alliance with israel, and into which we pour endless $. i fervently wish they would get out of new york. it’s ludicrous to have them here, and they double park.

Dec 14, 2008 - 10:13 pm 62. welcomerain:

Women, women, women. You don’t give a damn about men, who are also suffering plenty in Africa, as they do everywhere. You care more about a woman suffering in the Congo than a man suffering in your neighborhood.

Go to Hell and stay there, you sexist sow.

Dec 14, 2008 - 10:41 pm 63. Michael B:

Chesler’s commentary neither advocated nor proscribed military intervention; it advocated for awareness and for some type of strategy, while the only thing it proscribed is a head-in-the-sand apathy, resignation and navel-gazing.

Those are broad parameters, not ideologically presumptive in the least.

Dec 15, 2008 - 12:01 am 64. Evil Pundit:

Good point, welcomerain.

I’ll worry about the problems faced by men in my own country first.

Dec 15, 2008 - 12:43 am 65. mwl:

I have a simple plan to end violence against women in the Congo and elsewhere. There are three parts:

1. Crates of AK47s or similar easy-to-use, low-maintenance weaponry.
2. Crates of ammunition for the above.
3. Squads of trainers.

Arm the women, train the women, and let them solve the problem themselves.

Alas, the next President’s a Democrat, so no such common-sense solution will be implemented.

Dec 15, 2008 - 1:36 am 66. someone:

As admirable as your sentiments are, we cannot afford to waste resources on africa anymore. Where was America, when the few beacons of hope in africa, Rhodesia and The old south africa were around? Not only did we stand by, but we cut their throat. It is simply time to be
pragmatic about things. Money invested in africa will never be returned. Having traveled to most of sub saharan africa, i realize that things just never change. What has the contintent contributed to the world? what culture or advances do they have? Be honest with yourselves people, if it wasnt for africa’s vast mineral wealth, no one would even bother or care. LET AFRICA SINK. Its time to stop wasting our time on it.

Everywhere in the continent where the colonists have left, It is slowly receding back into the bush. So why bother changing what
cannot be changed? Education doesnt work, handouts dont work,
everything that can be tried has been, and nothing ever changes.

So I for one hopes our “president elect” does the smart thing, and
turns his back on the whole mess.

Dec 15, 2008 - 5:00 am 67. Ann:

62. welcomerain…don’t put us all in the same boat. Millions of American women are not sexist sows and never were.

There are many of us in our 60’s who laughed at the “feminists” all the way through the 70’s and 80’s. Their political nonsense and neurotic self-centeredness was obvious from the beginning. It just keeps playing out in different (and larger) venues as the years go on.

Interesting also that the majority of these feminists who are wailing about the Congo are pro-abortion. Oh well.

I have a friend who has spent her lifelong nursing career training nurses in Madagascar and spends her free time working with the women at the Women’s Prisons. (She is now 67 years old with no retirement date in sight.) Women in Madagascar are routinely incarcerated with no notice for simple public infractions of law such as not verbally showing respect to a police officer, and are held without charges for indefinite lengths of time.

The feminists would not consider my friend someone to be proud of. She has the misfortune (in their eyes) of being a Christian. Self-proclaimed feminists are just woman-haters who happen to be women.

Dec 15, 2008 - 6:16 am 68. What Does Crazy Look Like? » Freedom Folks:

[...] much like this… President-elect Obama: Are We Our African Sisters’ [...]

Dec 15, 2008 - 6:34 am 69. AlanC:

Judy, is all of NYC that dense?

Do you really think that inexpensive computers are the answer?
Whether programmed in their own language or not, how many of these woment do you think can read?
Where are they going to plug them in? (batteries do need recharging, ya know?)
Who’s going to repair them?
Who’s going to train the users?
Who’s going to prevent them all from being stolen and sold on the black market in China?

Your kind of utopian fantasy land is what gets us into these bad situations.
Grow up and see reality.

Dec 15, 2008 - 7:36 am 70. WhyamInotsurprised?:

America fights and our people die to free other people around the world and all we get a kicked in the teeth. I for one will not support the U.S.A. intervening in this kind of effort until the impotent U.N. and E.U. take some action in their own backyard/hemisphere. Like history teaches, it is the people themselves who have to fight/rebel and die for their own freedom!

Dec 15, 2008 - 7:43 am 71. nobozons:

liberals never learn.

Dec 15, 2008 - 8:30 am 72. Shef Rogers:

Why is Chesler such a bleeding-heart liberal on every issue except Israel? It’s weird.

Dec 15, 2008 - 8:40 am 73. Paul - Indiana:

Why should the USA get involved in the problems of the Africans? They wanted independance and they have it.

Dec 15, 2008 - 9:32 am 74. Hellfish:

——–
Unfortunately, too many do not get this and therefore, we need a woman/sister/daughter/mom to be all of our keepers, to remind us of what is good and what is bad! Right and Wrong! Thank you, Phyllis!
——–

Incredible.

Dec 15, 2008 - 10:47 am 75. Dave D:

Robotechmaster:

The reason why I say the U.N. is to avoid charges of colonization. I’m no fan of it either, but one country acting arbitrarily to fix that sort of situation could easily be used as a cover or, or be accused of, an attempt to make a colony of the state doing so.

Especially in africa, nothing could generate any less goodwill. Remember russia tried to justify its invasion of gerogia on similar grounds.

Michael B and also Judy NYC:

It is progressive in that it’s a very large government intervention into a sovreign country, and if it is at genocidal levels, it HAS to be a military intervention. You can’t stop systematic brutality and rape by giving every one a notebook computer.

If this is going on and the government is doing nothing, either because it is too weak to, or even because it is abetting in it, you have to administer the country. You have to restore the rule of law, punish offenders harshly, and create and strengthen a just government that can prevent this from recurring.

I don’t think the author of the article is simply recommending more foreign aid

Dec 15, 2008 - 10:53 am 76. TomJW:

61. Judy, NYC:
Dec 14, 2008 – 10:13 pm

Just so you know, they will all have to come to yopur house to plug in their computors and get internet access.

Dec 15, 2008 - 12:39 pm 77. robotech master:

To Dave D.

Any involvement of the UN in any action is a non-starter(unless you saying bomb them first… (of which I approve of that inclusion).

Being accused of colonization would in fact be a good thing. The hardest part of invading will be telling who needs to be killed and who doesn’t… getting them up in arms only makes it easily to pick out targets. The one and only viable option to fix africa is massive warfare lead by US mercs and US soldiers. Your looking at the death of 10-25% of the african pop… and a campaign of between 100-300 YEARS…(if you don’t consider 300 years of warfare viable option well you got nothing then hehe)

The world doesn’t change in a day… even the best case if we start acting today with the cutting of aid and the slapping around of the UN, it will take a long long time before you see any minor changes in africa. The problem is neither the aid cutting or the UN slapping is going to happen… so as per normal nothing will change(and it will only get worse).

Dec 15, 2008 - 12:58 pm 78. Marie Claude:

and a campaign of between 100-300 YEARS…(if you don’t consider 300 years of warfare viable option well you got nothing then hehe)

um, roman legions anyone ?

that w’ll work if you make more babies there

Dec 15, 2008 - 2:12 pm 79. whamprod:

It took the American government to convert a fairly simple concept like an equitable tax code into an unreadable document that is more than twice as long as the Old and New Testaments, combined. What makes anyone think that an American government can fix things in Africa? It simply can’t, and it would be hubris to assume otherwise.

For years, we’ve been pumping money into these countries on the misguided notion that our dollars will somehow make them virtuous at best, or at least stable at worst. It has been an utter failure, and these nations have come to expect that we will keep pouring money into them no matter how their people behave toward one another. It hasn’t even bought us much in the way of influence. The money is being wasted. Literally wasted. It is time to turn off the tap. Those folks over there will not change their ways as long as we are essentially paying them to keep doing what they are doing.

Let the people there become so fed up with the status quo that they “pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor” on changing it themselves. That is the only way they will ever learn to practice justice.

Dec 15, 2008 - 3:41 pm 80. Michael B:

Dave D,

Firstly, the idea of military intervention into an area like The Congo repulses me on one level. Not only the manifest and endemic barbarity, but the corruption and graft is so deeply interwoven into the very fabric of that society and culture that – imo – it presents a far worse situation for remedial, systemic change than either Afghanistan or Iraq, and I continue to support the need for both of those latter interventions.

Secondly, I don’t accept the simple dichotomy you present: either a massive military initiative or simply an ineffective/unobtrusive foreign aid and lap-top computers.

Thirdly and for another contrasting case, Sudan – while prospectively better than the Congo Republic (Sudan does reflect Arab Muslim, jihadist and Islamicist ideological actors and motives) for large scale military intervention – still does not reflect a national security interest more directly. I am not a “real politik” international “realist” entirely, in the mold of James Baker and others, nonetheless that international “realism” should always be a prominent factor worthy of consideration.

So, minimally, I trust you can see I’m not a simple or ideological adventurist.

The primary thing I’m arguing for in the particularly egregious cases exemplified in Sudan and, differently, the Congo, is an unabashed and unblinking review and comprehension of the situations, followed by a responsible, conscientious review of what might be done vs. what is simply not feasible. I have read detailed accounts of some of the barbarities perpetrated in the Congo and Sudan and they are in fact among the most horrific that have ever been perpetrated upon humankind. I still recall reading Plutarch, specifically the horrific account of scaphism as depicted in Plutarch’s biography of Artaxerxes, if I recall correctly, and though it was an account from antiquity I recall being impressed for the first time as to just how depraved man can be toward man. Some of the barbarities perpetrated, systematically, in the Congo in particular, have been on that level.

So yes, I do consider, in addition to the role of any international “realism,” a consideration of American exceptionalism as well, but I am not an adventurist and am very aware of the sundry dangers, short term and long term, within any such considerations and specific cases such as Sudan or the Congo. I don’t have a definitive remedy – it would be an act of hubris to imagine such a remedy – but I do have a base or minimal level in mind of what needs to be looked at and reviewed in an unblinking manner. At this point, no more, but no less either.

Dec 15, 2008 - 3:55 pm 81. robotech master:

To 78. Marie Claude: Numbers aren’t really a issue… Africans are some of the poorest fighter on the planet. The avg soldier or merc should easily be able to kill 1000s of enemy combat per lose. Currently mercs in africa are roughly equal to 50 native fighters equipped with roughly the same equipment. Manpower won’t be a huge issue combat wise.

To 80. Michael B: Ummm yeah wtf over? I see lots of words which are strung together say mostly nothing…

Dec 15, 2008 - 4:36 pm 82. Judy, NYC:

i know some of you commented on how naive it is to assume we can do anything but go in militarily or stay away. I believe this is another way. there are always those who are able to learn very quickly, and naturals at teaching. if one person like that in each village is taught how to do something, they can teach others. when people have to defend themselves from barbaric marauders, they have to be willing to learn how. if it has to be done in song format, we can do that. where there is electricity, and computers can be utilized, they don’t have to read. computer programs can talk.(and, yes, they can come to my house and plug in their notebook computers)

when women are victimized and constantly terrorized they feel (and are) weakened and hopeless. a plan they are confident can be carried out, with the proper training and tools, is something that gives a realistic sense of empowerment to people who are otherwise powerless.

arming them with real weapons like uzis and shotguns, and handguns to have with them all the time, the training in them and the supply, is crucial to saving them.

americans on site, can be there very briefly. if they are military women, victims can see the strength in themselves mirrored. if we don’t train for self defense, african women will continue to be victims of these or some other despicable sub humans. and in ways we don’t want to think about, so will we.

Dec 15, 2008 - 5:18 pm 83. Ann:

Once all the complexities of “doing something” for the Congo (regardless of how and who) are figured out, how long will it be before another columnist steps up and nominates their Congo of the Month…this stuff is endless and always has been.

I thought one of the purposes of the United Nations’ existence was to put a stop to this; but that is always nicely ignored. The discussion never starts with their imperative. It always starts with, “Well, somebody has to do something, and since the United Nations won’t/can’t, the United States ‘has to’.” Word up: the United States DOESN’T HAVE TO.

Why not just get Congress to provide a bailout for the Congo? They can hire their own solution from some other country.

Our entire governmental structure has taken leave of its senses.

Dec 15, 2008 - 6:21 pm 84. robotech master:

Judy your argument is valid in some respects… which is why ppl like me and other say the first if only step that can be taken is to cut off any form of aid.

You talk about the “gifted” in africa… the problem is those gifted aren’t doing much for africa and theirs a reason for that… they all become bureaucrats… or in simplest terms beggars…

The best and brightest of africa go on to goto the UN as beggars… they try every trick to get more and more money out of the UN, US, and other countries… This means that they quickly become corrupted(many also form very racist attitudes vs the US and combined with the commie/marx history of africa they form huge entitlement complexes as well) and when at last finish their begging and return to take leadership roles in their government they form the backbone of the current or next corrupt government.

Forcing africa’s gifted to get real jobs and make real changes instead of living high on the hog at the expense of the US(mostly) is the first step toward any real effect on africa.

All your plans are non-starters because you would need the military to protect the weapons shipments/trainers/etc, etc, etc. Plus no african government is going to willing let its citizens arm themselves… or be armed by the US or even the UN… so once again your plan is a complete non-starter from the get go.

To 83. Ann:”I thought one of the purposes of the United Nations’ existence was to put a stop to this”

The irony of the problem is the UN has a vested interest in keeping 3rd world conflicts hot and active… its how they justify their massive bloated budget… If the UN were to fix these problems then they would have little reason to have the massive budgets they currently have… plus their are other reasons…

1. The UN enjoys its god complex of picking who gets to live and who gets to die… it makes them feel powerful.
2. Many times the UN is the direct cause of conflicts because they serve as great fundraisers.(not just for the UN but the local dictators as well)
3. The UN for the most part is controlled and designed to benefit petty dictators… If the UN were to live up to its supposed “ideals” 3/4(probably more) of the countries currently in it would leave…

The UN is a place for elites to go and have some fine wine(at taxpayer expense of course) and talk about the worlds problems, then trade favors and money to further their political careers… It is not a place where problems are fixed…

Dec 15, 2008 - 9:48 pm 85. Brian Richard Allen:

“” Last year, a … (paper claimed) … the “number of excess deaths due to Rwandan and Ugandan occupation as estimated at between 3-3.5 million.”

And noted that: “rapes are unprecedented in ’savagery, planning, and perversity.’” “”

The word “Savage” did not back its way into the English Language.” Those who coined it saw what they saw, said what they meant — and meant what they said!

And, given that Ted the Swimmer Kennedy’s and other psycho-pathological-ideologues’ immigration policy has, since around 1965, imported and continues to import (for the perceived advantage, come election time — and especially when combined with the impact of 35-odd million similarly “Democratic” potty policy incited, encouraged and facilitated criminal aliens — their combined low intelligence, ignorance, malice and greed gives to the “Democratic” potty) scores of millions of Third World savages of our very own? And that a self-and-America-loathing mobbed-up Marxist murtadd Muslim Arab African has lied and cheated and defrauded his way into our once white house?

We don’t need to go to Africa for troubles enough.

And we ain’t seen nothing yet!

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles – CalifUBAMAcated 90028

Dec 16, 2008 - 7:01 am 86. Ann:

to 84 robotech, re your comments on the UN.

My point exactly…and thank you for articulating it better than I could. I am so beyond the point of even trying.

I remember my Dad shaking his head over the foolishness of the United Nations’ intentions and presumptions–IN THE LATE 1950’s!!!

Actually, as I reread your comments as applied to the UN, I’m intrigued by some of the parallels with our own bureaucracies/politics/endless crap…. it (our domestic circles of power) look pretty dependant on chaos and failure, which then guarantees refunding.

Dec 16, 2008 - 7:57 pm 87. another view:

The rape is horrible.. but when people say those countries shouldn’t be free my blood boils.. let’s start by expelling all western interest. get out of Africa period. diamonds,oil, steel, ect. then purchase from them in a real free market. then maybe they will have a chance. the real rape is the rape of the continent…

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:57 am 88. Michael B:

robotech,

“Words” can be discounted, or they can begin to lend some clarity; wtf indeed, over.

As to the U.N., we do agree on that score.

Dec 17, 2008 - 1:53 pm 89. robotech master:

To 86. Ann

I sympathize with your anger when posting… this is one of the few boards where my first post isn’t a long yelling match against whoever I’m talking too. This place tends to have more intelligent ppl on it so I try to be less angry when posting.

To 88. Michael B I swear I tried to read you post… 3 times over. However it all seems to run together and I quickly lose track of which line of thought goes where and my place in reading it.

Dec 17, 2008 - 5:24 pm 90. Chesler Chronicles » American Heroes Today: The Battle to Pass the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Act:

[...] In addition to the widespread and increasing use of rape as a systematic weapon of war, even of genocide, the international trafficking in persons, mainly women and children, has also risen alarmingly. [...]

Dec 18, 2008 - 12:26 pm 91. American Heroes Today: The Battle to Pass the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Act | Ft. Hard Knox:

[...] In addition to the widespread and increasing use of rape as a systematic weapon of war, even of genocide, the international trafficking in persons, mainly women and children, has also risen alarmingly. [...]

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