The British media was–and still is–reluctant to describe the killers as “Muslims;” they prefer the more neutral “Asians.” More serious is the fact that just yesterday, the heroic Muslim MK, Mohammed Sarwar, (Britain’s first Muslim in Parliament), announced his retirement from Parliament due to the many death threats he has received. Sarwar was instrumental in negotiating the return of Donald’s three Muslim-Asian killers from Pakistan.
Once again, squeamishness has not won the day. Just this month, a second Muslim racist attack upon white boys took place on Kriss Donald’s street. Mercifully, this time only bones were broken.
Let me be clear. “Barbarism” is not only a mob or youth-gang phenomena. It defines the very nature of Muslim religious law.
For example, on February 11, 2009, a Saudi judge ordered that a young woman who was gang raped and impregnated be imprisoned for one year. He also ordered that she be given 100 lashes after she gives birth, (which is often a death sentence), because she talked with and followed a man who was not her relative and who turned out to have planned the attack.
What can President Obama do? Refuse to talk, talk anyway, dare to craft an economic deal that is pegged to the abolition of Sharia law?
And according to the British Telegraph, early in 2009, a Pakistani Muslim cleric blinded a young boy with acid because he spurned the cleric’s sexual advances.
Is America imperfect? Absolutely. Is murder committed on our shores? Do people abuse their power in such a way that others suffer and die? Absolutely. But we do not lynch people in the streets, our clerics do not provoke such acts and when injustice is called to our attention, sometimes–sometimes–the rule of law prevails. In the Muslim Bad Lands, there is no rule of law, or rather, the law itself demands “cruel and usual punishment” as my good friend Nonie Darwish has said in her latest book which bears this exact title.
Folks: Beginning with President Obama, and including the American and western media, we had better start connecting the dots. We are not only facing “barbarians,” but, as I wrote yesterday, we are facing barbarians who brilliantly and viciously employ non-conventional, asymmetrical, non-proportionate, and terrorist means of warfare–which unbelievably, our own media finds….thrilling, romantic.
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1. George Jochnowitz:“Barbarian” is too mild a word for what is described here. “Nazi” might be a better choice.
Feb 11, 2009 - 12:27 pm 2. vladtepesblog.com:In the looking glass word we have created for ourselves one irony among the thousands now common is the British and European habit of referring to Muslim perpetrators of horrific anti social acts as “Asians” or less commonly, “South Asians” in order not to appear racist. Interestingly, Asians and or South Asians is a race and Islam is a motive not a race at all. So the press, in order not to appear racist, refers to an ideological group as a racial group so as not to be racist. This would be much like referring to Nazi acts as being committed by white people or North Europeans. It is right and correct to refer to crimes committed by Muslims in the name of Islam and leave the good Hindu’s and Chinese people out of it.
Feb 11, 2009 - 12:49 pm 3. Jenn Sierra:Obama and the liberal elite have convinced themselves that the violence in the world is the fault of America and Israel, due to our “foreign policies.”
Obama appears to believe that the world, and the Muslim countries in particular will now recognize that they have a friend in America, and will be happy to accomodate us now that we rid ourselves of the “evil” President Bush. They’ll lay down their swords and their IED’s, begin treating their women almost as well as their animals, and stop chanting “Death to America,” every time they have an opportunity.
We’ll all hold hands and sing “We are the World,” followed by “Kumbaya.” Then we’ll all be drinking that free Bubble Up, and eating that rainbow stew…
Feb 11, 2009 - 2:24 pm 4. Norman Simms:How about SAVAGES or PSYCHOPATHS or DEMENTED BEINGS?
Feb 11, 2009 - 2:47 pm 5. joeblough:When nations are poor and life is difficult only the most energetic, brilliant and/or brutal and cruel can rise to the top.
When nations become rich and safe, mediocrities and weaklings find it far easier to achieve prominence.
The mediocrities are driving the bus.
Obama is mediocrity #1.
Most people have no idea.
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The education of our upper classes, both the hereditary and the arriviste, is limited only to the most recent and most fashionable of ideas.
Matters of broader scope, the classics, the gritty facts of human history, the details of America’s (and the west’s) rise from serfdom and poverty, the very real broad scope of the human spirit from saintly to depraved … all of these are hidden to them.
They are educated on a froth of lightweight, poorly grounded and poorly thought out ideas based on a childlike vision of universal innocence and candy mountain ages of plenty. Ideas promoted by second, third and fourth rate minds of the 19th and 20th centuries. Ideas, moreover, that have failed consistently in application for more than a century.
They resent stern warnings because, like children, they have no idea of the real dangers those warnings caution against. They blame the messenger for making them feel bad, for being too stern and unsympathetic, with no idea that it is reality that is stern and unsympathetic and the messenger who is a friend.
They live in a cloudy dream of easy living. And their heads are filled with the fluff of an easy education.
The liberals no longer know what the word barbarian actually means. They only understand it to be somehow derogatory, and therefore will avoid its use, not wishing to offend.
The intellectual, practical and spiritual dimensions of barbarity are invisible to them. It is simply a naughty word, a sound which one must avoid making for the anger it provokes.
And those are the good ones. The others are motivated by darker emotions and crueler desires. They admire what the rest of us recognize as the evils of barbarity.
We are in deep trouble and must become much louder, clearer and much more forceful in announcing the nature of the situation and acting accordingly.
As has often been said, all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
We are in a desperate, death struggle with ignorance and irrationality.
We must fight.
Feb 11, 2009 - 3:35 pm 6. Robert J. Avrech:Articulate and true. Thanks so much. Linked and take a look at the video that’s posted.
http://www.seraphicpress.com/archives/2009/02/hamas_tv_mother.php
Feb 11, 2009 - 4:51 pm 7. Mary Madigan:Our government has been allied with the barbarians in Saudi Arabia for decades no matter who is in power, Republicans or Democrats. We rely on these barbarians to be a moderate force in the Middle East. We expect these barbarians to support us in our efforts to fight Russia and Iran.
America is strong and resourceful enough to exist without the help of Islamist barbarism, but for some reason, we cling to the old ways and our absurd, outdated alliances. Things won’t change until we change.
Feb 11, 2009 - 6:44 pm 8. Pajamas Media » Obama Believes He Can Charm the Barbarians:[...] Read the entire post here… [...]
Feb 12, 2009 - 2:19 am 9. Mama Palama:Amazing and brilliant commentary.
I never cease to be amazed at how much there is to be learned.
The enchantment with Islamic merchants of death by mainstream media honchos living in cacooned unreality enabled by obscene salaries and celebrity perks is a phenomenon which reason if not sanity itself begs to explain.
As for Saudi Arabia and the other very rich oil producing Islamic dictatorships – its more simple. Input the three letter word oil and all unscrabbles.
Thirdly – as pointed out/alluded to in the above – a too long downward slope slide on the part of America wherein critical thinking has been replaced with indoctrination and patriotism and self respect eroded by alien ideologies having usurped our nation with seeming (?)little to no resistance from our less than mediocre politicians with self-interests that blind.
Feb 12, 2009 - 2:40 am 10. Herb:Where are these western liberal media that are terrified of offending Muslim barbarians? I just don’t see it.
Don’t confuse opposition to neo-con fantasies as support of the jihadis.
PS. I think Obama has better things to do with his time than read this dreck. I mean, you’re going to slam him for being soft on the Saudis….really? I guess you haven’t seen the picture of Bush literally holding hands with crucial American ally, the beloved King of Saud.
Feb 12, 2009 - 2:49 am 11. David Thomson:Phyllis Chesler needs to face reality: she can no longer support the typical Democratic Party and “moderate” Republican candidate. Chesler will have to mostly support center-right politicians. She might abstractly continue to claim to be something of a political independent. Nevertheless, on a practical level—Chesler must become a Republican. Is she up to this profound existential challenge?
Feb 12, 2009 - 3:06 am 12. Meryl:Since the writer of the article is clearly informed with regard to what Islam is and how Islamists actually practice their political religion, WHY DOES SHE SAY SHE WISHES OBAMA WELL SINCE CLEARLY IS NOT WELL INFORMED?
Feb 12, 2009 - 5:07 am 13. Meryl:…SINCE CLEARLY he IS NOT WELL INFORMED? (or shall we actually go so far so as to ask whether he IS this well informed and doesn’t care?)
Feb 12, 2009 - 5:08 am 14. Craig:“Western liberals — and in the past I have been a very good one…”
A lone liberal wakes up and smells the coffee. Amazing. Quick, someone queue the flying pig.
Feb 12, 2009 - 5:31 am 15. Camo:#10 Herb
“Where are these western liberal media that are terrified of offending Muslim barbarians?”
Mostly in England.
Just one recent, small example of fearing the Muslims:
Just ask Geert Wilders who was asked to speak by a member of the House of Lords, Lord Pearson. Then Lord Ahmed threatened the body with civil unrest if Wilders did indeed speak. Now, Wilders has been banned from Britain and threatened with arrest if he tries to come into the country.
Wow, I guess using intimidation is not barbaric after all.
Feb 12, 2009 - 5:38 am 16. Byron Dickens:There’s really only one solutiuon….
Feb 12, 2009 - 6:04 am 17. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:“Western liberals — and in the past I have been a very good one — still refuse to describe any culture other than their own as “barbaric” lest they be maligned as “racists.””
Check out the barbaric actions in Phoenix, AZ.:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1
It looks like barbarity is becoming contagious. It’s worth awareness, because it appears to be spreading and may be coming to your town.
Feb 12, 2009 - 6:09 am 18. Cybergeezer:Islam has attempted to infiltrate and commandeer every civilized society since the beginning of time. Islam is at war with itself. It destroys everything it comes in contact with. Another name for this phenomenon is DISEASE.
Feb 12, 2009 - 6:23 am 19. Peter the Bubblehead:The “Campaigner in Chief” believes he can “lay hands” on anything, make it better and comply with his wishes. How much longer will it be before we find out this idiot is seriously, mentally ill.
10. Herb wrote:
Where are these western liberal media that are terrified of offending Muslim barbarians? I just don’t see it.
Peter writes: Then you’re just not looking. Not even looking hard, just not looking!
When you get news items describing Muslim rioters as ‘Asians’ and ‘Youths’ in every report (as mentioned in this article), its because they are terrifies of drawing the attention of these ‘Asian Youths’ who will turn from attacking strangers and burning cars (Look at all the violence in Paris in the last couple of years. You really think that is being carried out by Hindu or Buddist extremists?) and instead start burning down newspaper offices and TV stations. It has already happened in Muslim nations, where the news media (and I use the term loosely) has stopped reporting on ANYTHING that might upset the radicals and cause them to come after the reporters, station managers, editors, etc. And its only going to spread to Erope and (eventually) the US.
If you can’t see that, Herb, its because like most liberal lefty loonies, you have your eyes closed.
Feb 12, 2009 - 6:46 am 20. Nancy Gough Riley:Phyllis, the dots are already connected. When something goes ill with one part of the human body, the whole body is affected. When a human being experiences injustice, the whole human race is victim to that injustice, but no one wants to admit it. The physician needs to take care of a tumor before it spreads and kills the patient. How simple can you get? But I detest violence, and yet I condone self-defense. But when you got both sides claiming self-defense, someone in their right mind needs to come along and decide who’s the attacker, and who’s the victim. And deal with it!
Feb 12, 2009 - 7:13 am 21. Paul from Hamburg:I am still wondering what Obama meant when he said that we needed to show “mutual respect.” Islamic fascists will never respect Western civilization, and I don’t know what I am supposed to respect about them.
Feb 12, 2009 - 7:44 am 22. LynnS:Ms. Chesler, from your lips to President Obama’s ears.
#6 Robert J. Avrech
Thanks for the link. Celebrating the birth of a child with a funeral ushering them to their death, seems to be what Islam wants for women. No wonder the penalty for leaving Islam is death.
#17 Pajewmas tries to divert attention away from the subject, but often fails because being a cheerleader for suicide and murder entails distraction in order to take our attention away from what is happening on the field. Usually the other cheerleaders for suicide and murder show up later when they begin to smell the blood on the field.
Feb 12, 2009 - 8:10 am 23. deguello:Peter: It’s not Herb’s eyes that are defective,it’s his liberalism-addled brain.
Feb 12, 2009 - 8:23 am 24. Pat J:The examples the author provided reminds me of how Karl Marx described religion as the “opiate of the people.” Things get bad when fanatics like the Ayatollah Kohmeini feed of this zeolotry and fan the flames for much of the evil jihad we have to deal with today.
Feb 12, 2009 - 8:51 am 25. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:“#17 Pajewmas tries to divert attention away from the subject, but often fails because being a cheerleader for suicide and murder entails distraction in order to take our attention away from what is happening on the field. Usually the other cheerleaders for suicide and murder show up later when they begin to smell the blood on the field.”
No wonder why Jesus was crucified. It’s hilarious to be misunderstood.
Feb 12, 2009 - 9:00 am 26. Right Far Right:Nixon in China – does anyone remember? Bush about Putin -”I can see his soul” These people will not go away; so Obama has to deal with them. This hide your head in the sand policy does not work
Feb 12, 2009 - 9:11 am 27. Whistle_Blower:*WAITING FOR THE BARBARIANS*
In his renowed poem “Waiting for the Barbarians”, the Greek poet Cavafy described the agitation felt by the populace as they waited the arrival of the barbarians.
Problem is, the barbarians never came – there never were any, at least none that were close-by or threatening.
A similar state of affairs describes our Western approach – and especially the American approach – to Islamic barbarism. Phyllis Chesler’s article exemplifies this state of unwarranted agitation.
I don’t deny that Moslem have commited barbaric acts as Chesler’s chronicle of events makes clear.
But the fact remains that these barbaric outlaws are acting *outside* the mainstream of Islamic law and beliefs. Bin Laden and his epigones have long been condemned by the vast majority of Moslems throughout the world.
For every “cleric” that has vituperated against the West, there are dozens wh o have roundly disassociated themselves and their “flock” from such pronouncements.
Therefore, Chesler’s statement that “Barbarism” is not only a mob or youth-gang phenomena. It defines the very nature of Muslim religious law.” Is not only absurd, it’s preposterous. It shows a complete unfamiliarity with Islam.
Bottom line: The greatest threat to Western civilization is no doubt what I like to call “post-modern Islam”. But the threat is not Islam’s “barbarity” but rather its *civility* – what Daniel Pipes has called “lawful Islamism” – the promotion and establishment of Islamic practices and laws *within* Western institutions, so that the “takeover” of the West is piecemeal and peaceful – and – unnoticed.
That’s the real threat.
Articles such as Chesler’s really does more harm than good, in my opinion. It deflects the public’s attention away from the real threat by catering to the public’s lust for blood.
Feb 12, 2009 - 9:17 am 28. vizar1:barbarians?
Feb 12, 2009 - 9:20 am 29. David P:abu ghraib!
“savages” are a more fitting description, reaching out to “savages” is like trying to domesticate a rabid dog foaming at the mouth
Feb 12, 2009 - 9:27 am 30. Lynn's:#25 Pajewmas
I’m sorry if I misunderstood you but your fishing when you say that I crucified you. But go ahead what do you think about the subject of this article.
#24 Pat J: Opium is a sedative and I don’t think this religion caused people to be sedate.
Feb 12, 2009 - 9:28 am 31. Mary Madigan:“Where are these western liberal media that are terrified of offending Muslim barbarians?”
How many news outlets in America dared to show their readers the Danish Cartoons?
CNN refused to show the cartoons “out of respect for Islam”. CNN also refrained from reporting about atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein.
However, Anderson Cooper did report about how Hezbollah was attempting to intimidate western reporters, and to force them to only report Hezbollah’s side of the story. He was the only major media source to do so. Everyone else was quiet about the subject.
These are the reports that we did hear about. We have no idea how much relevant news is currently being suppressed.
Feb 12, 2009 - 9:34 am 32. Lynn's:#25 Pajewmas
Please tell me what you meant so I can apologize. And I think your fishing in a teakettle to imply that you were crucified.
#24 Pat J:
Opium is a sedative and I don’t think this religion causes people to become sedate.
Feb 12, 2009 - 9:36 am 33. Wally Lind:Let him try. just make sure it’s in a place where the secret service can control the situation. Islam is the religion of suicide bombers, so these meetings have to be on our ground. If the Mahdi can go to New York to insult America, he can go to D.C.
Feb 12, 2009 - 9:41 am 34. Dave:Herb above, tries to equate the King Of Saudi Arabia with the barbarians Phyllis describes.
That comparison is of course nonsense. While the Saudis carry their share of baggage, the
conduct of the Saudi state has been and remains within the bounds of propriety.
Herb could go touristing in Saudi Arabia and be in no personal danger. He could not be close to those others without being in imminent danger.
Therefore Herb condemns the Saudis. That is because Herb is a coward and will only say nasty things about those who are not going to harm him. Herb is quite representative of a large slice of our society. Damnit to hell.
Cowardice is running loose and is the greatest threat to our perserverance in today’s world.
And if anybody is offended by this analysis, you may rest assured that I inteneded things that way.
Feb 12, 2009 - 9:55 am 35. Delia:The hellacious truth is that this evil WILL continue to perpetuate itself until someone/s with a set of balls puts these cretins in their ignominiously, humiliatingly, dastardly place in history ONCE and FOR ALL.
This mindset of pure vile under the burka wearing guise of some ‘religion’ which wants to ‘conquer’ the world should NEVER, EVER be capitulated to.
Meanwhile, the besotted masses willingly turn off their peripheral vision towards the fact that they voted in the ultimate ENEMY within as their chosen ONE bows and scrapes to the very EVIL that wants to destroy us.
Feb 12, 2009 - 10:04 am 36. Pat J:32. Lynn’s:
Feb 12, 2009 - 10:05 am 37. Dave:————-
I’m sure he was referring the addictive qualities of opiates.
vizar at #28 is another good example.
He compares frat-boy harassment at Abu Gharib
as being equivalent to sawing off heads and
all but ejaculating over expiring remains.
Had the harassed at Abu Gharib not been prisoners and had the harassers not been military personnel, no crime would have occurred.
As is, it was a severe matter and those
doing it are being punished. (I do hope the Army lets them soldier their way out of those
Dishonorable Discharges.)
This is in rather stark contrast to the encouragement officially given to the barbarians Phyllis describes.
And yet another example concerns the kidnappings etc along the Mexican Border. These result from (a) situation inside Mexico,
(b) improper laws in the USA and (c) a lack of proper Border Security.
Sherrif Arapaio takes what steps he can to correct matters and is promptly and loudly condemned. And the Minutemen man observation posts along the border, phoning in their observations to established authorities and are comapred to hooded lynch mobs of yesteryear.
The dangerous people go uncriticized. Cowardice is the reason.
Feb 12, 2009 - 10:21 am 38. Mary Madigan:Herb above, tries to equate the King Of Saudi Arabia with the barbarians Phyllis describes.
That comparison is of course nonsense. While the Saudis carry their share of baggage, the
conduct of the Saudi state has been and remains within the bounds of propriety.
Since the King of Saudi Arabia allowed Saudis to continue to fund al Qaeda after 9/11, since many Saudi princes were involved in those attacks (and were never prosecuted or even accused of these crimes) – and since the Saudi king also complied with his chief Justice’s demand that young Saudis should go to Iraq to fight the Americans and the Iraqis (most of the suicide bombers in Iraq were Saudi, and most of al Qaeda’s membership is too) – I assume that you’re being ironic here.
Feb 12, 2009 - 10:22 am 39. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:@LynnS:
I think the real victims are the children.
Can our internecine differences ever rise above the culture in which we were born. Somehow realize that if we respond as children, who have no concept of prejudicial stereotypes, we could solve our rivalry over our selfish claims of indignity.
I know it’s not a practical approach, especially when pride is factored in to the equation, from adults.
So, what do I think about the topic? I recognize the threat personally, and disagree with the theocracy of Islam. I often wonder if you were to remove the belief in Islam from it’s followers, and give them a western type culture, but enough diversity to disagree with our common style, would they become justified in their rebellion? I guess what I’m trying to say, I don’t really hate the people of Islam, I pity their misguided religion. They may have been victims of injustice, but they have also, in many ways, become victims of their own device.
In order to clarify myself for you, of course I despise murder. All forms of it.
And I didn’t mean to sound like you crucified me. I just got a better understanding of mass hysteria, evident from sentiments towards me on this site.
Feb 12, 2009 - 11:06 am 40. Paul M Hupf:The President is naive if he thinks he can successfully negotiate with Islam terrorist governments. They will pat him on the back, vocally congratulate him, while at the same time they’ll be picking his pockets. Sadly he will be surrounded by those who praise him for his courtesy and diplomatic skills. There is nothing praiseworthy in militant Islam. It uses terror and sacrifices women and children to gain its objective.
Feb 12, 2009 - 11:13 am 41. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:LynnS,
When I joined this site I derived my username from this blog:
Feb 12, 2009 - 11:13 am 42. Will:http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/our-neighbor-and-why-we-have-to-kill-him/#comment-188929
Our so called president Barak Hussein Obama will bow to Islam,and sell us out.True Americans don’t make deals with killers.
Feb 12, 2009 - 11:14 am 43. Don’t Be Afraid… « Slow Stagger:[...] thing we need.
Feb 12, 2009 - 11:30 am 44. LynnS:#36 Pat J.
You can’t be sure, and using a particular drug that is a depressant and caused a person to lose their spark or spirit is not how I would describe Islam. I would not describe it as an addiction either, since many have no choice in leaving it. Drugs addicts have a hard time stopping, but it is possible, and rather than the price of leaving Islam being death, the price of stopping the ingestion of harmful drugs is life.
Feb 12, 2009 - 11:58 am 45. cedarford:Right Far Right:
Nixon in China – does anyone remember? Bush about Putin -”I can see his soul” These people will not go away; so Obama has to deal with them. This hide your head in the sand policy does not work.
Exactly.
We tried the head in the sand approach, popping the head up occasionally to scream “No negotiations with Islamofascists! WWIV!!” and other hoary Neocon chestnuts then to bury the head back in sand again. Hoping those people would be so upset we wouldn’t talk to them that they would go away, vow to mend their shamful ways, and comeback transformed into wannabe Americans.
We also tried the surgical bombing, cakewalk war that pays for itself, Freedom-hungry grateful people then casting off their Burquas approach. That didn’t work, either.
The best that can be said about Bush and Iraq is that it was a hideous mistake most Americans now regret us doing, it destroyed a Presidency, crippled urgent domestic reforms needed, cost 42,000 lives and 1 trillion and left America far weaker than when we started it….but we won. Perhaps a semi-pyrrhic victory, but we won.
Obama was ELECTED on the premise that the days of Neocons calling for endless war would be days long gone when he is in office.
Coincidentally, all former Secretaries of State (except Rice, still in office at that point) called for dialogue and negotiations with our enemies, especially Iran. And all agreed that we need to sit down and work out the difficulties with Russia that began over Serbia steadily worsened under a series of US provocations, then Russia finally responded with it’s own provocations.
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Herb – Don’t confuse opposition to neo-con fantasies as support of the jihadis.
PS. I think Obama has better things to do with his time than read this dreck. I mean, you’re going to slam him for being soft on the Saudis….really? I guess you haven’t seen the picture of Bush literally holding hands with crucial American ally, the beloved King of Saud.
Correct, though I disagreed with your other point – the Western media ARE intimidated, even terrified of “offending” radical Islamists.
And Herb is right that voters generally, by a very large majority, loathe and reject the Neocon agenda. That does not make Americans Jihadi supporters.
And contrary to Mary Madigan and more in tune with Herb and Dave, the Saudis are playing it pretty straight as a government that is slowly but surely cracking down on radical Islam. Not perfectly, but KSA has caught and imprisioned more AQ outside Iraq than any other nation has. And they are maintaining the Wahabbist anti-infidel teachings and anti-Israel stance until or unless something like the Prince Abdullah Peace Plan imposes Final Borders on ME nations and at least compensation for refugees w/o return of all, but some….
And Herb’s point about it being exceptionally difficult to slam Obama as too friendly with the Saudis while we have that wonderful picture of the Beloved Maximum War Leader of the Neocons holding hands and tiptoeing through the bluebonnets with the Saudi Monarch? Dead on mark.
Feb 12, 2009 - 12:09 pm 46. Jdub:Nice attempt, but our president, the Democrat party, and the entire leftist ideology in this country know not one point how to deal with outside influences. They are spoon-fed these ideological beliefs about tolerance and respect by people who are just as blind to reality. In the end, our security will be breached, as it always has under a Democrat president since the start of JFK. Say what you want, I could care less. JFK did some good, but started our slope downwards.
In regards to some of the comments, this nation has never paid tribute to Islam, ever. Since the inception of our nation, it was Islamic nations that we first battled for secure sailing routes in the Mediterranian. Decatur was the last of the US Navy to negotiate with the pasha’s of Algeria. He did not waiver, he did not flag to these vile miscreants.
We should not merely “talk” with these radicals. They are not contemporary people, they are not educated in Western philosophies. They may have studied it, to get a better footing on our laws and society, but it is very clear that the overall aim of these animals is complete and total submission of Western ideologies to their cult.
In times like these, we need to put down the materialistic bits that our way of life has created and for once identify who we are as a society. Do we really want this vile practice of a cult in our society? Do we even want to contemplate ever having to deal with our children kidnapped and murdered by such vile, disgusting of a people? Do we really need our commerce lanes muddied down because of some degree of infinitely small culture differences by such a wrong sect of the population? One bad apple may spoil the lot, but it is the lot that is still spoiled. And we do not see any, if at all any of these mysteriously rare “moderates” that supposedly exist outside our borders, let alone in any of the most vociferous of nations preaching the demise of certain sects, countries, religions.
I truly believe that if the American people really knew what the end results of these followers of some false prophet and pedophile were in store for them, you would see a very different standing towards this cult.
And the result would be swift and without malice.
Feb 12, 2009 - 12:19 pm 47. rocketeer:Re Post 1 from George: Calling these Islamo-facists Nazi’s does a disservice to Nazi’s everywhere. The only thing separating these thugs from actual Nazi’s is a coherent government and a standing army. It’s also probably the one thing that keeps us from kicking their rear-ends all across the planet, since we’re simply just not geared to attack small groups of individuals.
This junk would end tomorrow if we had some leaders that could face reality and some reporters from the lame-stream media that where prepared to speak the truth. There is no reason why civilized society should put up with this behavior.
Feb 12, 2009 - 12:24 pm 48. LynnS:#39 Pajewmas
I think Islam is doing pretty good spreading and promoting their ideology so far without your help. Your are right about the victims being children, and add men, and add women to your sentence and you have it about right.
Islam has in it’s history done a thorough job of eating up other cultures to the point where if someone says Arabs many people automatically think Islam, or people speak of the Middle East and automatically think Islam. An area that had many cultures thriving at one time long ago, is no more. Stubborn Israel refuses to bow to Islam even though the Mosque was built on top of the Temple for all to see that Mohammad claims his rightful place on over all.
What you mistake for mass hysteria is a simple reaction to your comments when the topic of Islam is brought up. You speak as if we should not be permitted to discuss the teachings of Islam because of our own imperfections. I think that when a religion teaches it’s people to kill the Jewish People and the Infidels wherever you find them, it presents itself as a fair topic for discussion. If you watch the video on the link in comment #6, you will see a women taught to raise her children to commit suicide and murder others. Isn’t that a fair topic to discuss?
Since you condemn murder, I apologise for implying that you were a cheerleader for it. What about suicide?
Feb 12, 2009 - 12:28 pm 49. Mary Madigan:contrary to Mary Madigan and more in tune with Herb and Dave, the Saudis are playing it pretty straight as a government that is slowly but surely cracking down on radical Islam. Not perfectly, but KSA has caught and imprisioned more AQ outside Iraq than any other nation has
The Saudis only imprison members of their al Qaeda military forces when their soldiers attempt a coup. The Saudi attitude towards their terrorist army is the same as any other nation’s attitude towards their own military – attack outside of our borders, no coups at home please.
Feb 12, 2009 - 1:11 pm 50. ked5:The Saudis are the terrorism we’re supposed to be fighting.
I am convinced that deep down, the ultra-lefts messiah considers himself to *be* one of those “barbarians”. So, in reality he is only reaching out to his fellow would-be-destroyers-of-the-free-world.
Feb 12, 2009 - 1:42 pm 51. therealist:Naah, those jihadis are cool. They just need some self-esteem.
Feb 12, 2009 - 1:45 pm 52. ked5:Peter:
In the last six months or so, I have learned to truly understand the phrase “there are none so blind as those that will not see”. (same applies to those that will not hear)
We are living in a society with a chronic problem of self-imposed deafness and blindness.
Feb 12, 2009 - 2:24 pm 53. LynnS:Actually Bin Laden was schooled and nurtured in mainstream Islam. He hated the ruling Saudis because he felt they were not true followers of Islam. The Saudi Kings and Princes and Princesses like to dabble in the Western culture and enjoy the money from their Western customers, but there is another side of the government that promotes hatred for the West and considers us infidels. Mosques built in the United States with Saudi money are well documented promoters of the dark side of Islam. It is permitted and customary to practice deceit when dealing with Infidels, and there is also self preservation for these Kings and their off-spring because they are always in danger of being eaten by the wild animals they feed and restrain.
Feb 12, 2009 - 2:37 pm 54. Mary Madigan:..they are always in danger of being eaten by the wild animals they feed and restrain
And they’re quite happy to let their beasts eat all of us.
Feb 12, 2009 - 2:48 pm 55. Leatherneck:Hey, you are not suppose to print the truth about Islam. That is not compassionate, it is racist, and you will not be allow into Briton.
Sarc/off
Did Wilders write this?
Feb 12, 2009 - 3:18 pm 56. Marc Malone:#24 Pat J – The quote is actually, “the opiate of the masses”. Like everything else, Marx got that one wrong, too. Proper religion awakens people, rather than sedates them.
Christianity avers free will as the central tenet. You have to choose to be saved. You are free to reject God and His commandments. The punishment comes from the mess your life will automatically become when you stray from the principles He says are right. No one needs to enforce the religion.
Islam, on the other hand, forces itself down your throat. You are not free to walk away. They aver proselytizing via the sword, and other techniques of jihad. It is the exact opposite of Christianity. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. The distinction is merely the form of jihad they pursue; overt or covert. That’s why all these Muslims will suddenly turn out for a riot. Are they all radicals? No. The coverts merely act overtly for a time.
Marxism, which is a secular religion, does the same thing. It is enforced. It is emplaced via various forms of jihad, overt and covert. You are not free to walk away once it is in place. Communism, too, insists on world domination. It “cannot be victorious in just one country.” The difference between Communism and Socialism is the form of jihad they pursue; overt or covert. As they begin to win, the coverts begin to act more overtly. Think ACORN. Think “porkulus”.
This is the reason Marx displayed such contempt for religion. “Opiate of the masses”, indeed! Enlightened religion is the enemy of these foul caricatures of religion. It is freedom versus enslavement. Enlightened religion is voluntary. You must choose it, and choose it constantly. To do so is a constant action. It is not somnambulance. It is the opposite.
One cannot sneak up via jihad on an enlightened person. Nr can you fight them directly. One must first dim their lights in order to sneak in the dark. That is why Christianity is oppressed in Marxist countries. In this country, as more people are taught that Christianity is superstitious hokum, they drift away from it, and thus, make themselves vulnerable to jihad. Their lights are dimmed. Their eyes are closed. They sleep. Marxism and Islam are the same. THEY are the true opiates of the masses.
Feb 12, 2009 - 3:28 pm 57. Brian:Well Obama was able to charm Bush, so that obviously gave him confidence.
Feb 12, 2009 - 3:39 pm 58. Mario Sanchez:Phyllis, you summed up the problem in the first paragraph of your article. There won’t be an end to barbariansim in the Middle East, Britain, Australia, Canada, Germany or anywhere, until the feminists and gay activists in the West stop supporting them. In other words, the anti-Americanism which spurs most the world to turn a blind eye to criminals like Ahmadinejad, Khaled Mashaal and Abu Hamza al Masri, and instead focus on the warts of the United States, exacerbates most the world’s violence today. The pathological contempt the Left has for the United States is unprecedented, especially considering if those they support ever became leaders of the West, their own ideology and lifestyles (gay pride parades, feminism, etc.) would be out the window. Much of the Left’s support for these radical nihilists goes all the way back to Rousseau’s “noble savage”.
Feb 12, 2009 - 5:22 pm 59. Kevin:You know that saying you tell your kids when they cry for no good reason…”I’ll give you something to cry about!” Well, if I had the power and a time machine, I would round up the most ruthless degenerate lifers from our prisons. I’d send them to Gitmo and turn em’ loose on the pig-bred rats. Saw off their heads with dirty machetes. Stomp on their privates, et al. The outrage would certainly not have been much different. If the ridicule is inevitable, you may as well ensure that the libs’ complaints were honest.
Feb 12, 2009 - 7:11 pm 60. kastaco:# 16 Byron Dickens
Feb 12, 2009 - 8:34 pm 61. We’re dealing with barbarians both at home and abroad « The Moral Compass:I agree, but the West does not have the stomach for it any more, and besides if we go that route, we must stay the course for complete victory and we are probably too soft for that as well. It is amazing to see my fellow “citizens” line up at the trough for federal handouts and then recall that these are the descendents of the survivors of Antetiam & Gettysburg & Cold Harbor and D-Day etc. etc. etc. Most days days I just want the system to collapse so that the badness will be purged away so we can start new even if it means the ultimate sacrafice
[...] Dr. Phyllis Chesler says: Folks: Beginning with President Obama, and including the American and western media, we had better start connecting the dots. We are not only facing “barbarians,” but, as I wrote yesterday, we are facing barbarians who brilliantly and viciously employ non-conventional, asymmetrical, non-proportionate, and terrorist means of warfare–which unbelievably, our own media finds….thrilling, romantic. — Dr. Phyllis Chesler, “President Obama Believes He Can Charm the Barbarians.” [...]
Feb 12, 2009 - 8:58 pm 62. Angry White Dude:Heaven help Obama and the weak liberals in Congress if and when another terrorist event happens in this country. While our politically correct buffoons in Washington hide their heads in sand and hope the bad guys will go away, a great many are armed to the teeth and ready to protect our families.
Angry White Dude
Feb 12, 2009 - 9:22 pm 63. Nancy Gough Riley:The pain has stolen my voice,
but not my thoughts and feelings.
I still bleed from the source of life,
yet deaths’ grip has a hold on my heart.
For perhaps therein lies my dreams fulfilled.
I’m in this world, but not of it,
only in a part of my heart that needs to be healed.
A miracle may await faint in the sunset,
that place where, with the end of our days,
our nights are met.
Am I but a lamb to be slaughtered,
- a limping flame at the altar?
or a drooping flower without water,
- an empty soul seeking spiritual food,
when there’s nothing left to do but surrender?
Will the pain finally end in joy,
Feb 13, 2009 - 4:53 am 64. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:or will the end be hastened for nought?
Or will the sun rise again?
@LynnS:
“What you mistake for mass hysteria is a simple reaction to your comments when the topic of Islam is brought up.”
You mean to tell me, my response to this blog deserved your reaction of this?:
“#17 Pajewmas tries to divert attention away from the subject, but often fails because being a cheerleader for suicide and murder entails distraction in order to take our attention away from what is happening on the field. Usually the other cheerleaders for suicide and murder show up later when they begin to smell the blood on the field.”
You may have problems, but I was merely pointing out, here in the USA we have potentially a serious one brewing also.
“I think Islam is doing pretty good spreading and promoting their ideology so far without your help. Your are right about the victims being children, and add men, and add women to your sentence and you have it about right.”
You are as heartless as they come. I’m just beginning to see injustices from other shoes. And they are pretty much mutual. Did you know there is evidence that Israelis were nothing more than a break away culture of the canaanites? Very similiar in disposition, in regard to human life.
You would do yourself well to watch this Nova presentation:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bible/
As for suicide, you don’t need my blessing, knock yourself out.
Feb 13, 2009 - 5:30 am 65. Peter the Bubblehead:But wouldn’t that be murdering yourself? You know how I feel about that.
28. vizar1 wrote:
barbarians?
abu ghraib!
Peter adds: Under Saddam Hussein, yes, very much so.
Feb 13, 2009 - 6:14 am 66. Jesus is Lord, A Worshipping Christian’s Blog » Blog Archive » “President Obama Believes He Can Charm the Barbarians” by Phyllis Chesler:[...] Original Link. [...]
Feb 13, 2009 - 7:13 am 67. LindaA1:I’m always astounded by narcissists like Obama who believe there is no limit to their ability to charm and persuade – aka manipulate. It’s typical for these people to have incredible delusions about themselves, believing anyone and everyone will swoon in their presence.
Those who don’t swoon are mentally dismissed by Obama and other narcissists as people so flawed in their perceptions that they are not to be taken seriously at all.
Obama has been in a unique position his whole life to be spoon fed tripe about how great he is. Unfortunately, the man IS a narcissist and what would be support and encouragement for a normal personality has fed this narcissist into the fraud we see today sitting in the White House.
He really believed he could charm Republicans into going along with him. He really believed, as President, the entire country would finally see his greatness and fall to our knees and adore him. He really believes terrorists and rogue leaders will be persuaded by his “beautiful mind and soul” to give up their evil ways.
We’re screwed.
Feb 13, 2009 - 7:42 am 68. Instapundit » Blog Archive » HOPE AND CHANGE: Commerce Department Waives Syria Sanctions. “The dream scenario is that with the …:[...] into the care of Assad’s secret police.” I guess it all depends on whether Obama can charm the barbarians or [...]
Feb 13, 2009 - 8:15 am 69. Gwawr:To whistle blower: read the book, the qua’ran, and you will see that what this author says is the truth. Type in sometime, ex-muslims, or leaving islam. Read the true stories of people leaving this cult and how much they fear for their lives. This woman is speaking the truth. Read this book, and perhaps you will understand the truth finally.
Feb 13, 2009 - 8:28 am 70. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:@LynnS:
“What you mistake for mass hysteria is a simple reaction to your comments when the topic of Islam is brought up.”
You mean comment #17? How did that comment warrant the reaction to Islam, posted by you on #22? If I comment on anything other than the barbarity of Islam it means I’m a cheerleader for suicide? Are you for real?
“I think Islam is doing pretty good spreading and promoting their ideology so far without your help. Your are right about the victims being children, and add men, and add women to your sentence and you have it about right.”
Are you really that heartless, that you are so driven by fear and hatred, you totally lose the meaning of what I’m saying in post #39?
Did you realize there is evidence suggesting that the legend of the Israelites fleeing captivity from slavery in Egypt and settling in the promised land was really nothing more than a breakaway canaanite society? That they didn’t wander in the desert, but migrated away from their ancestry, to settle in Israel.
Check out this Nova presentation, it will go in depth further on the subject:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bible/
As to your question about suicide. You don’t need my blessing, knock yourself out.
Feb 13, 2009 - 8:41 am 71. Bug Eye Guy:But wouldn’t that be murdering yourself? You already know how I feel about that.
Nancy Gough Riley
Feb 13, 2009 - 8:45 am 72. tabbris:Damn good girl! I can put this to the tune of Chicken in the Straw.
I keep on reading all these articles thaat describe how bad islam really is but I see virtually nothing about taking action. Everybody is whining and complaining and thats it. What can be done against the islaminization in america? Ban the quoran?, tear down mosques?, outlaw moslim organizations?, deport muslims?, round muslims up and put them in a concentration camp?
Feb 13, 2009 - 10:13 am 73. deguello:What is the alternative? Civil war? Submission to sharia law? Back to the dark ages?
As long as you know that Islam never stops until you and your family are converted, now or in the future. they are patient.
Not to worry: the messiah will give ‘em kitchens and cars,and all terrorism will end.
Feb 13, 2009 - 11:25 am 74. Marc Malone:#72 tabbris – Those are all fine suggestions. In order to fix things, we’ll have to do what Lincoln did to save the nation: suspend the Constitution. Our Founders felt the same way: a revolution is a good thing to do, time to time.
I think a prescient thing to do is to put together a better-dead list in anticipation of that time. Put on it all the seditious Leftists who are undermining our society. Treason is treason. Firing squads will be necessary. Surgery is necessary for cancerous tumors.
Feb 13, 2009 - 12:12 pm 75. LynnS:#70 Pajewmas
Oh, you should feel flattered that I have read your other posts all over Pajamas media and I know how you like to distract. Keep on writing Pajewmas, you reveal more of yourself each time, that is when you are not trying to distract or make excuses.
Your free to decide whose shoes you care to walk in when shopping for a cause Pajewmas, but don’t expect others not to question the direction those shoes take you.
And the link? Are you looking for a convert? or is that your way of telling me that the history of the Jewish People as written in the Tora/Old Testment is a lie? That might fit nicely into what you would wish to believe but does not change the horrific acts this article reveals.
As usual, you are fishing in the wrong place.
Feb 13, 2009 - 1:06 pm 76. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:LynnS,
The link to the past may not change current events, but it gives insight as to how we have evolved into divisions of mankind, that still plague the modern world. You may not like the information in the Nova presentation, because it threatens to expose the division you may have sided with. Not with accusations of lying, but with evidence of truth. Let your denial take you to whatever place it may.
Tell me why God would divide mankind at the Tower of Babel, only to rescue some from the division? I would be interested in your reason or reasoning.
I will give you mine.
Enabling a link back to him, through Jesus, is the only provided sensible answer, for my question to have a logical answer for all of mankind.
Feb 13, 2009 - 6:17 pm 77. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:“is the only sensible answer provided in the Judeo-Christian belief”
Feb 13, 2009 - 7:57 pm 78. njcommuter:We as a society must face up to the fact that great evil demands severe punishment. The American prohibition of “cruel and unusual” punishment was not a prohibition of severe punishment or even rarely seen punishment, but punishment mismatched to the crime. The drift of our language has pulled us away from that meaning.
People who seize innocents of whatever age for torture and murder deserve a swift and sure appointment with a well-soaped rope and a humane but effective drop. Those that knowingly harbor such people are guilty as accessories, and should be punished with jail time.
Feb 14, 2009 - 5:09 am 79. Lynn:#76 Pajewmas
Your fishing in a teakettle of fish and you can’t seem to catch anything. You must be very hungry.
Here is an evidence of truth. A faith whose diety calls for the blood of men, woman and children to satisfy it’s lust for power over the earth is not a diety of love or a diety of truth. I don’t need to watch a show on NOVA to know the truth of that.
So..it would be logical that I would take the side of logic…oh and truth….oh and love.
Feb 14, 2009 - 7:41 am 80. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:@Lynn:
“So..it would be logical that I would take the side of logic…oh and truth….oh and love.”
So where is it? And if you can tell me, is it consistent and unwavering in it’s logic, truth, and love.
Oh please tell me of this “side”, since you let me know how you’re above the Biblical God, an all.
Feb 14, 2009 - 12:40 pm 81. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:@Lynn:
“Here is an evidence of truth. A faith whose diety calls for the blood of men, woman and children to satisfy it’s lust for power over the earth is not a diety of love or a diety of truth.”
Does a just love and truth have to satisfy your definition of a deity, to become a deity? Or could they be just, and just be a deity?
Feb 14, 2009 - 1:00 pm 82. Steynian 324 « Free Canuckistan!:[...] of counterterrorism; Why U.S. Policy Leans Too Close to Terrorist Appeasement; Obama Believes He Can Charm the Barbarians …. [...]
Feb 14, 2009 - 6:47 pm 83. Gabrielle:Obviously, Whistle_Blower knows nothing about Islamic law and teachings. If s/he did, s/he’d know that the atrocities described by Ms Chesler are behaviours carried out by Mohammad — ‘the perfect man’ and enshrined in Islamic sharia or law. Ambush attacks, mutilations, beheadings of hostages, torture — all these Mohammad himself carried out. The dormant Muslims who don’t behave like this are simply ignoring the doctrines. THank God (not ALlah, who is as bloodthirsty as his creator)
Feb 14, 2009 - 9:27 pm 84. Marty:@ #27, Whistle_Blower
You fail to understand anything but the superficial literal meaning of Cavafy’s poem.
In fact, the citizens crave invasion. They have become decadent and ennervated, and they need the barbarians’ purpose and drive to infuse energy into their culture.
Go read it again.
Feb 15, 2009 - 11:26 pm 85. Neo:The open source intelligence newsletter GeoStrategy Direct reports …
The United States has abandoned its policy of sanctioning companies that aid Iran’s nuclear and missile program, they said.
The officials said the new Obama administration of has decided to end sanctions against Iranian government agencies or companies that aid Teheran’s missile and nuclear program. The officials said Israel has been informed of the new U.S. policy.
“We were told that sanctions do not help the new U.S. policy of dialogue with Iran,” an official said.
It seems pretty hard to blame this on Bush.
Feb 16, 2009 - 3:31 pm 86. JackT:What do you mean (half) African American. First of all, define African American? You can’t, it’s a made up media word, that means different things to different people. Africa is a continent, not a race. Now, if you had sad half black, you would be right. To take it a step further, the fact that his father is African and his mother is American, he could actually qualify for being an African American in whole, not in part. But he’s simply an American, that happens to be of mixed race. He has obviously chosen to identify with the race he most resembles I presume. So let’s just let him be that. I think you pay too much attention to the media and not your own common sense, if there is any.
Feb 16, 2009 - 7:30 pm 87. Whistle_Blower:@ # 84, Marty
Thanks for your interpretation of the Cavafy poem. In fact, you aren’t telling me anything new – yours and other interpretations I’ve run across are just that, interpretations.
But I was dismayed that you didn’t address the main ideas of my post – possibly because you didn’t quite understand what I was saying.
Therefore, I strongly urge you to go back and re-read my post most carefully. It is quite enlightening.
Feb 16, 2009 - 8:11 pm 88. qwfwq:You know, Phyllis, the sad fact of the matter is that the dems have been taken over by the hard Left. If you want to hang with genuine liberals, you have to look to the Republicans.
Feb 16, 2009 - 10:37 pm 89. deguello:Marc Malone#74 Only a matter of time!
Feb 18, 2009 - 9:59 am 90. Al Rassooli (author of “Lifting the Veil: The True Faces of Muhammad and Islam”):This is a very welcome and helpful article by Phyllis Chesler.
There may be even more to this than one might at first realise… It’s interesting to note the controversy of Obama’s Islamic connections have never been quite resolved. Daniel Pipes, the suitably well qualified and cautious expert says on
http://www.danielpipes.org/5286/was-barack-obama-a-muslim
I don’t think Obama is remotely concerned that he might be dealing with “barbarians” (even though that is exactly what he is doing). In fact in my opinion he feels very close to them, though hides this well (al-Taqiyya; standard Muslim deceit) and is utilising his extraordinary coup in becoming president to discretely channel vast amounts of American tax-dollars (officially estimated to be arround $900m but probably far more in the end if he can get away with it) both directly and indirectly into the hands of terrorists, dictators and Islamic despots around the world. I found a good summary of this (with further links) on http://pasadenajews.blogspot.com/2009/02/seraphic-secret-stimulus-package-for.html
Apart from being used to kill vast numbers of innocent people over the next few years, much of this money (American tax-dollars, remember) is almost certain to help further boost the luxurious lifestyles of already fabulously wealthy murderers and despots around the world. Obviously it will do little if anything to help the starving refugees and other victims (of Islam, incidentally, and not Israel or the West or anyone else) that it is claimed to be in aid of.
[Personally I think it would make far better sense - given the state of the ecconnomy - to spend all of this money on improving the lives of Americans at home rather than Islamic dictators and terrorist organisations abroad].
If it is not his intention and secret agenda to help terrorists and further the expansion of Islamic theocracy (in other words anything and everything Sharia) then the only other possible explanation is that he must be a very innocent and naive man indeed! Either way it’s incredibly bad news for America, for Israel and for all of Western Civilization.
Kind Regards,
Mar 17, 2009 - 7:00 amAl Rassooli (author of “Lifting the Veil: The True Faces of Muhammad and Islam”)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1434392023/ )
[please see also the YouTube Channel http://www.youtube.com/user/AhmadsQuran3 ]