210 Comments

1. George Jochnowitz:

How ironic that these beheadings and other such crimes are called “honor killings.” They bring dishonor upon the perpetrators, their families, their communities, and their religion.

Feb 14, 2009 - 5:17 pm 2. Pajamas Media » Beheaded in Buffalo: The Honor Killing of Asiya Z. Hassan:

[...] Read the entire piece here. [...]

Feb 15, 2009 - 12:02 am 3. Yuval Brandstetter MD:

North American Muslims having “our own media outlets, our own timing and our own kind of programming.
And their own justice system, unrelated to the justice system in the country of their residence. See the Muslim living in the USA is not an American, he is a member of the Umma, his allegiance is with the Umma, and his presence in the USA is a bridgehad (bridges TV??) for the imperial takeover of the USA by the Umma. His culture is superior, his submission to Allah makes him Allah’s annointed, and Allah’s law superior.
So from his point of view he did nothing wrong. He diverced his errant wife just a like a devout Muslim should. Its not about Honor. Its Justice

Feb 15, 2009 - 3:11 am 4. Ken Besig:

Well after all didn’t Barack Hussein Obama emphasize his Moslem roots when taking office and thus granting at least aid and comfort to his former brothers and their grotesque mockery of religion called Islam? The bin Ladens have it right, Islam is the celebration of death. But Islam is far more than just a cult of death, it is a cult torture, destruction, immorality, and falsehood and demands that it’s followers, no matter how moderate, follow it’s strictures, especially when it comes to the honor murder of their mothers, daughters, sisters, aunts, or any female relative by their male relatives.

Feb 15, 2009 - 3:49 am 5. gboisjo:

Just more evidence of Islams twisted mindset. And for you people who write about moderate Islam coming to the rescue. Wake up and grow some b-lls. That ain’t gonna happen. These people are coming after you. Islam is your enemy and you must fight this scurge as a Christian and a jew. Take Geert Wilders lead and don’t talk about moderate Muslims. It reeks of fear and timidity.

Feb 15, 2009 - 4:25 am 6. RE:

Like the suicide bomber from Minnesota in Somalia and the arrest of other ‘American’ terrorists in Somalia, this story does not fit the media narrative, so it will be deliberately swept under the rug, lest the negative publicity prevents this cancer from taking root in our society.

The biggest threat facing America today is the Left’s inability to discern good from evil. Whether they intend it or not, Leftists and Progressives are a threat to our own personal well-being by making excuses for 0 and enabling – evil. The sooner more people start waking up to that fact, the safer our children and loved ones will be.

Feb 15, 2009 - 4:30 am 7. canuck:

In NY he will get a slap on the wrist when what is needed is a return to public execution …preferably by a method such as dipping a vat of boiling pork fat.

Immediate deportation of all near relatives and placement of any children seven and under into nice Jewish homes would complete the removal of this cultural perversion from our society.

It will then stop immediately once the “honor” in doing something like this is removed and widespread disgrace is sown upon the remaining community.

Just your Sunday morning Florida Redneck view from a refugee from Canada that is even worse than NY for coddling this trash.

Feb 15, 2009 - 5:05 am 8. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:

“So from his point of view he did nothing wrong. He diverced his errant wife just a like a devout Muslim should. Its not about Honor. Its Justice.”

Is this guy sinless? What mortal now gets to judge his morals?
He’ll not get as swift of judgment from US court systems, as he himself executed, but he’ll receive punishment for his crime, nonetheless.

Feb 15, 2009 - 5:19 am 9. Jeff Guthery:

Those horrible Muslim extermists. Wait, this guy was a moderate, right? Well then his religion couldn’t possibly have influenced his murderous actions…………..

Feb 15, 2009 - 5:31 am 10. Meryl:

It’s already beyond sickening to realize that the PC crowd will just see this as a new opportunity to promote their suicidal and destructive nonsense.

How much do you want to bet that there will expression(s) in the media that “all expressions of religion must be protected” under our Constitution? Of course, if they would support the expression of the 10 commandments (which include the novel idea of not murdering other people), this situation may not have occurred.

But since the PC crowd considers Christianity (which urges personal forgiveness and husbands caring tenderly for their wives) something to be opposed and mocked, I guess that doesn’t matter.

Feb 15, 2009 - 5:32 am 11. Nancy Gough Riley:

I have no comment because I’ve been living with the awareness of this, probably all my life. I haven’t been beheaded, yet, and I haven’t killed. I’m turning to resources like the Dag Hammerskjold’s Foundation’s “Development Dialogue” which was presented to the World Social Forum in Jan. check it out!

Feb 15, 2009 - 5:38 am 12. Perry:

The (typical) response from the local MPAC spokesman was:
“Domestic violence is despicable, and Islam condones it in no way whatever,” he said.

Bulls–t!

In Islam the woman is the property of a man, to do with what he pleases.

Koran 4:20 tells men that if they want to take one wife in place of another, feel free. They can trade in wives, like used cars. Of course there is no equivalent trade-in policy offered to women. Koran 4:3 says men should marry whichever women appeal to them, “two or three or four”.

Koran 4:34 instructs men on dealing with “rebellious” wives. First admonish; second kick them out of your bed; and, if that doesn’t do it, punish them. So, men are supposed to beat any really “rebellious” women.

Don’t believe anything a practicing Muslim says. It is “taqiyya”, Koran-sanctioned lying in order to advance the cause of Islam. Muhammad said: “War is deception”. Muslims are in a constant state of war against the infidels – that’s you and me.

Nothing a Muslim spokesman can be taken at face value – NOTHING.

Feb 15, 2009 - 6:14 am 13. chris in Toronto:

There’s that “7 million muslims” lie again.
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_islam_usa.html

Feb 15, 2009 - 6:18 am 14. Craig:

“A beheading suggests that the murderer wants to separate his victim’s mind from her body…”

And that the murderer is absent of one from his own.

Feb 15, 2009 - 6:41 am 15. JFP:

Nancy Gough Riley: I have no idea what you are trying to say in your “no comment” comment. I checked out the Dag Hammarskjold’s Foundation’s “Development Dialogue” like you said, and it had nothing relevant to the current discussion. Since this foundation is in Sweden, I was hoping it might contain some discussion of the Muslim situation in Sweden, but there is nothing like that in it.

The best I can make of your comment is that you are a leftist who thinks that this whole issue is unimportant and who wants to divert our attention to something you consider more important. If I’m wrong, I apologize. But if I’m right, it seems hard to believe that any woman who is a leftist would think the beheading of another woman is not an important issue.

Feb 15, 2009 - 6:46 am 16. Mike2:

Watch all the lefties rise up in his defense. After all he is one of their allies.
—————————————
Who is John Galt?

Feb 15, 2009 - 7:24 am 17. Gabi:

A woman who knowingly marries into a culture that considers women to be property needs to have her head examined (hopefully sooner, rather than later).

I suspect that one of the main reasons behind the hysterical rage and frequent attacks by members of current slave societies at civilians living in “the West” is that seeing free people makes their slaves (woman, children, and members of subjugated cultures) less inclined to justify their own enslavement in such cultures.

In this sense, I agree that one of the main reasons behind a majority of the members of such cultures either whole-heartedly supporting or else having no objection to terrorizing and mass-murdering civilians living in free societies is “because they hate our freedom”.

The mere existence of freedom anywhere in the world exposes the unjustness of such cultural norms and values. From that point-of-view, murdering free civilians is justified by slave-societies as an act of “self-defense”.

Feb 15, 2009 - 7:35 am 18. Mary Grabar:

Phyllis Chesler is doing the reporting others are not. Where is NOW on this? You go, girl!

Feb 15, 2009 - 7:54 am 19. PhilMB:

Hassan said: “The Muslim victims were not only the 358 innocent souls that perished that day, but the entire 7 million American Muslims.”

Interesting that he only counts the passengers of the four aircraft as “innocent souls” along with his Muslim brethren; I guess in his mind the occupants of the Twin Towers and those who died trying to save them deserved their fates? A rope would be too kind for this scumbag, but he won’t get anything close in this undermined society.

Feb 15, 2009 - 8:19 am 20. Delia:

People [some] want to think this is somehow ‘atypical’ of the Islamic mindset but this is in fact VERY typical of the Islamic mindset. Pure EVIL. Rapist, misogynistic, misanthropic, homicidal, delusional, tyrannical, homophobic homo lunatics.

We have to face the hard, cold facts: You can’t play peace-maker and sing “Kumbaya” with Islamists. Their culture and belief system is backwards and twisted and they will sacrifice themselves, you, me and our children if you give them the CHANCE.

Islam is a pox on the world.

It’s time for ridding the world of this scourge once and for all.

Feb 15, 2009 - 8:20 am 21. AnninCA:

This story was beyond sick.

Feb 15, 2009 - 8:41 am 22. Barry 0351:

This is the future our fearless leaders have planned for our grandchildren.

Feb 15, 2009 - 8:52 am 23. Knights13:

“Koran 4:20 tells men that if they want to take one wife in place of another, feel free. They can trade in wives, like used cars. Of course there is no equivalent trade-in policy offered to women. Koran 4:3 says men should marry whichever women appeal to them, “two or three or four”.”

LOL, Perry that’s really good. You need to work on your poetry a little and write your own religion.

As far as the story goes; it add shock value when Islam is thrown into the sentence. There are many non islamic people that chop girls into pieces and dump them in garbage bins. Then the record level of beheadings were not in the middle east but most likely in Mexico last year. :O

Feb 15, 2009 - 9:25 am 24. Bob Stark:

Commented to my wife:
” Honey these Muslims want to change your religion.”
No comment.

“They want you to pray 5 times a day.”
No comment.

“They will make you walk 2 paces behind me.” No comment.

“They won’t let our 5 year old grand daughter go to kindergarten,
and you cant drive my car or go to the Mall without permission.”

Her comment-

“We need to buy another 9mm semi-automatic pistol and another pump shotgun,
don’t forget to get 2000 rounds of ammunition.”

Don’t you just love the 2nd amendment?

Feb 15, 2009 - 9:29 am 25. Phil K:

The people that buy into this disgusting justification of murder in the name of religion should be banished to the nether regions of the world.

Wait a minute: They already are. Perhaps they should be made to stay there instead of being allowed to poison civilized society.

Feb 15, 2009 - 9:34 am 26. Michael Canzano:

Hassan’s beheading of his wife adds another exclamation point in the statement….”An addition of Muslims to a Nation is a subtraction in civilization.”
American Christian Infidel
Michael Canzano

Feb 15, 2009 - 9:37 am 27. Nancy Gough Riley:

Hey JFP, It’s a long document, keep readin and you’ll see what I’m referring to, or not, it’s up to you. I’m trying to focus on the solution, not the problem! Peace.

Feb 15, 2009 - 9:39 am 28. Don:

Nancy Gough Riley, you just don´t get it. Read the Kora,, follow Arab and sub-Continental news, watch MEMRI once in a while, listen to what the Islamic scholars and imams tell us directly and their followers within the mosques, and pull your head out of the sand. Peace? Tell it to the peoplee whoi have absolutely no interest in peace as long as their are infidels standing in the way of their world-wide caliphate.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:12 am 29. Booby:

Hey Nancy, have you got scabs on your knees yet? Bow to your masters while seeking your peace at any price. You, mam, are dangerous to the rest of us with a spine. Please leave adult business to the adults.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:15 am 30. NahnCee:

I wonder why these guys meekly turn themselves in rather than trying to at least flee the country like normal murderers would do. Are they so proud of what they’ve done that they think even in America they’ll be rewarded and set free by the police? Do they *understand* that “honor killing” is synonymous with “murder” in America, which means they’ll spend the rest of their miserably lives locked up like the animals they are?

Or do they just have such a teensy-tiny little world view that they can’t imagine anything but two options: staying in the building with the corpse or going to the police to get away from the blood.

Also, has there *ever* been an occasion of murder-suicide which we see routinely in the U.S. – the upset husband killing the wife, and then killing himself? I guess not because the Koran says suicide is forbidden, so while Doofus Muslim Man *is* allowed to kill his annoying wife, he’s not allowed to kill himself.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:26 am 31. keebs:

On inauguration day, I had a heated discussion with my 72-year old, very liberal, “women’s lib”, mother. During my attempt to convince her to FINALLY cool the evil-booosh rhetoric, the subject of radical Islam came up. While she was convinced that Abu Ghraib abuses were an example of great injustice, she excused the practice of Muslim’s beheading their wives and daughters as lack of education. Distressing, to say the least.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:27 am 32. NahnCee:

“A woman who knowingly marries into a culture that considers women to be property needs to have her head examined (hopefully sooner, rather than later). ”

You mean like mother-of-Obama?

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:28 am 33. JFP:

“Hey JFP, It’s a long document….”

How about providing a link? What I found wasn’t a document, but a list of titles of papers that had nothing to do with the issue being discussed here.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:47 am 34. JFP:

Knights13: How about providing some evidence about beheadings in Mexico?

Anyway, nothing that you or anyone else says can change the fact that the left is in a confused state these days. It is trying to say both that feminist values are universally valid and that morality is relative to each culture. You can’t have both.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:53 am 35. Войска ПВО:

17. Gabi writes:

“A woman who knowingly marries into a culture that considers women to be property needs to have her head examined (hopefully sooner, rather than later).”

..and hopefully while it is still attached.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:59 am 36. Lynn:

His wife Aasiya is about 5′3″, 125 lbs, petite frame and didn’t cover. I don’t get the “second degree” murder charge. She had a protection order. As I’ve said time and time again, every time a well meaning Western woman puts on Hijab she is denying the rights of Muslim women everywhere. Are you listening Pelosi, Calmey-Rey, Amanpour?

Feb 15, 2009 - 11:17 am 37. Wally Lind:

They still have the death penalty in New York, I think. That should be sufficient answer to Muslims, and others, who come here and insist on practicing their deadly barbaric cultures. Being a christian, this brings to mind the eye-for-an-eye thing. If these are “honor” killings where are the families of the vicitms? Is there “honor” in allowing your sisters and daughters to be slaughtered? Why couldn’t this and other Muslim women count on the protection of their families? They couldn’t because muslim families are only for men. The answer is to marry non-muslim men. They may only be men, but at least they won’t cut your head off.

Feb 15, 2009 - 11:22 am 38. tommyd:

This is “Domestic Violence” ???

Lets call it what it really is, cold blooded premeditated Murder,

This guy is a murdering animal and should be tried under AMERICA’s laws for the same. This is America and his lame ass religion of Islam is no defense for murder.

Hey maybe your daughter will marry him or another barbarian just like him, wouldn’t that be nice…..oh buy the way dad if my husband gets pissed off at me he is allowed by Islam to cut my head off, you don’t have a problem with that do you?? Isn’t he so sweet??

The Islam religion is no excuse for murder. These people are animals.
They have no honor, they use innocent children and women as shields to Hide behind during war.
They are cowards.
How brave do you have to be to do what they did to Daniel Pearl,
4 or 5 hooded cowards, to scared to show their face, Behead a bound helpless man, They fight like the cowards they are.

The world has to be shown his barbaric beliefs are not allowed in a civilized society.

Feb 15, 2009 - 11:30 am 39. Richard:

Why are we letting Muslims immigrate into our country in huge numbers? They bring their differences with them that are contrary to western culture. Do we expect them to change, or will they change us?

Feb 15, 2009 - 11:46 am 40. Jacob:

No. No. No. and No. First of all, I am not an Arab, I’m a Canadian (born & raised in Timmins, Ont.) but I had to read the Quran, Bible, & Torah in university relgion courses and in NO PLACE in the Quran does it say you can kill somebody because they want to divorce you. In fact, the Quran says that if a woman wants a divorce it is her right that it be done in a peaceful & fair manner, and the best of men is considered those who treat their wives well. These psychos practice honor killings out of CULTURE not RELIGION, just like some Indians do it too. I think its 100% wrong to kill anybody for any reason (except self-defence).

Also, Just because One person does something so horrible doesn’t mean everyone from his Religion or Race supports him. Look at the Virginia Tech beheading by a Chinese man on Januray 15th/2009? And the Manitoba Greyhound Bus beheading on July 30th/2008 by another deranged Chinese man? Do these two incidents mean that all Chinese men are going to cut your head off if given the chance, and that you should avoid sitting near them on the bus? Probably not.

So just because this sicko who claims to be Muslim did such a brutal thing to his own wife, it does not mean that all Muslims condone this behaviour. If this were the case then all Southern Baptists would support Tim McVeigh’s actions or support sadistic cannibals like Jeffrey Durham who was also Christian.
Hell, this sicko who killed his wife needs to read the Quran b/c even I know that what he did is not the way of Islam.

Feb 15, 2009 - 12:02 pm 41. Janis Kelly:

Phyllis, thanks for continue to bring atrocities like this to public attention. jk

Feb 15, 2009 - 12:05 pm 42. DonJoe:

Do not fear being labeled an ‘Islamophobe.’ Winston Churchill was once accused of being a ‘Naziphobe.’

“Islam is NOT a religion of peace. By its nature Islam is radical, it has no shades.

Most people are simply unaware that Islam is NOT just another religion but a totalitarian political cult-like ideology, which compels its followers into blind obedience, teaches intolerance, brutality and locks all Muslims and non-Muslims in a struggle deriving directly from the 7th century nomadic, predatory, Bedouin culture.

Islam means “submission” to the will of Allah and the teachings as depicted in the Qur’an which include jihad – the genocidal slaughter of infidels by the sword, killing by beheading, intolerance of other religions, as well as forcing submission to Islam.”

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/about/

“This blog is designed to show you the dark side of Islam, the REAL Islam that the West does not want you to see. The Islam that Western media refuse to show you. The Islam that is slowly but surely changing the West. You may feel uncomfortable looking at this blog. You should. You will feel anger and disgust that our leaders do not understand Islam when it comes to the motives that drive our enemies to commit suicide for their idealogy.”

Feb 15, 2009 - 12:16 pm 43. Steeple:

Knights13 #23, nice rationalization of a grisly event. So murder and beheadings are just fine as long as they happen in another neighborhood? It would also be just great if you would come back with the statistical evidence around the number of beheadings by country last year so you can back up your “probably” assertation. I’m sure most Arab nations would welcome you in to do research on a topic of mutual interest to all.

Feb 15, 2009 - 12:21 pm 44. Outrage: Wife Beheaded for Asking for a Divorce « Battered Moms Lose Children to Abusers:

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Feb 15, 2009 - 12:22 pm 45. Jacob:

And to add to my previous post: If we stop letting Muslims into our country b/c of what bastards like this guy do to their wives, then we’re gonna have to stop letting Chinese men into Canada so they don’t behead us. Then stop letting Sri Lankans in since they’re terrorists, then stop letting Southern baptists in b/c they are most likely KluKlux clan members. Then stop letting Jamaicans in b/c they shoot a lot of people on Jane & Finch.

where does it stop? The solution is to put this man & other sickos on trial for murder, without putting their religions, or ethnic backgrounds on trial too. Bottom line: the actions of the minorty does not define the majority.

Feb 15, 2009 - 12:25 pm 46. Knights13:

Steeple, there were at least 100 beheadings in mexico last year. Do you see where I wrote murder and beheadings are fine? My point is many here are making this an islam problem or innovation of some sort. So, why are there beheadings and people being chopped into pieces with non islamic communities? Let me guess; they were muslims disguised as something else.

Feb 15, 2009 - 12:51 pm 47. DavidN:

One of the most fascinating defenses of this sort of behavior was something I saw on TV some years ago. There was a Muslim couple here in Southern California, and the wife ran off with another man after she’d divorced her husband. The husband went off after them, and killed the ex-wife and perhaps her boyfriend (I don’t remember, precisely). When his friends were asked about the incident, they all said the same thing: if infidelity were illegal, and punished as it was in Muslim countries, then the guy wouldn’t have needed to go off the deep end and murder his ex-wife. The state would have done it for him.

Feb 15, 2009 - 12:53 pm 48. deguello:

I think Multiculturalism is wonderful;don’t you.BTW: Where are the feminists?

Feb 15, 2009 - 12:57 pm 49. deguello:

Knights(DHIMNI?)13: Does the 13 refer to your IQ?

Feb 15, 2009 - 12:59 pm 50. JFP:

Jacob:

1. So what if it is culture rather than religion that is responsible for these beheadings? The point is that our leftist-dominated media and schools don’t want to talk about these incidents or to do anything about them.

2. The Chinese guy on the bus and Timothy McVeigh are, statistically speaking, outliers. By contrast, honor killings are fairly common. One hears about them several times a year.

3. The Chinese community didn’t approve of that guy’s actions, nor did they ever encourage such behavior. Ditto for the vast majority of Southern Baptists regarding McVeigh. By contrast, honor killings are accepted within Muslim communities. As Don said above (#28), why not watch Memri tv and see what their religious leaders actually say?

4. The trend in the Muslim world is in a conservative direction. Iran used to be secular, but is now religious and conservatively so (and women and homosexuals are the victims). Turkey used to be secular and is turning religiously conservative. In Egypt today, 90% of women wear headscarves, while a couple decades ago it was about 25%. Today, high percentages of Muslim immigrants to the West want shari’a to be imposed on us, while immigrants a few decades ago were happy just to be here.

None of this bothers any liberal or leftist that I know or know of (though they are very bothered by Christian conservatives). Nor do any of them have any plan to deal with this trend. Obviously, this trend could lead to huge problems down the road for women and homosexuals in the West, but they imagine that somehow it’s all going to work out.

Do you mind telling us why you think it will all work out?

Feb 15, 2009 - 1:02 pm 51. DonJoe:

30. NahnCee:

“I wonder why these guys meekly turn themselves in rather than trying to at least flee the country like normal murderers would do. Are they so proud of what they’ve done that they think even in America they’ll be rewarded and set free by the police? Do they *understand* that “honor killing” is synonymous with “murder” in America, which means they’ll spend the rest of their miserably lives locked up like the animals they are?”

Could they be challenging the 1st Amendment of our Constitution by practicing *Stealth Jihad?

Robert Spencer, is a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad Watch.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023583.php

He is the author of seven books, eight monographs, and hundreds of articles about jihad and Islamic terrorism, including the New York Times Bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad. His new book is
*Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs.

Read an alarming interview with this author at:
http://frontpagemagazine.com/Article/Read.aspx?GUID=8EEA62F7-74D2-49FA-9198-48E196B4958C

Feb 15, 2009 - 1:03 pm 52. Oscar the Grump:

You see this is what’s wrong with this country, we see things the wrong way. Let’s explain something to the want to know its. Killing your wife by beheading is not part of the Koran but it is part of Sharia Law. Therefore, because it is part of the religion of Peace we should “honor” it and, may I say, encourage it. First we should send every Moslem family in this country a pamphlet encouraging that they live by Sharia Law. Second, we should send each Moslem family a new set of very sharp steak knives. Maybe we could throw in a machete or two here and there. All Moslem women should be given a new necklace that looks like a dotted line. The men should be encouraged to do honor killings. They should be suspicious of their mothers, wives, sisters or any other female relative. Once we have them in the right frame of mind, we should drop a nice little letter in the mail to them, addressed to the female,

“Honey, I will never forget that night with you!
love
Frank”

Believe me overnight the number of Moslems in the country would go from 7 million to 3.5 million. Not only that, the remaining 3.5 million would be in jail. Now the only problem we would have is if they started having sex in jail. Everyone knows when two men have sex and one gets pregnant, their child will be will be either a liberal or a socialist depending on their sex.

Feb 15, 2009 - 1:19 pm 53. Lynn:

“Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals (‘awan) with you and do not possess anything for themselves. You have taken them only as a trust from God, and you have made the enjoyment of their persons lawful by the word of God, so understand and listen to my words, O people.

Now would anyone think of beheading their favorite pet? Now you see how Mohammad forbids the beheading of women.

Feb 15, 2009 - 2:20 pm 54. Omar:

Jacob:

Setting aside Q4:34, which most certainly gives muslim men the right to physically assault their wives (as reflected in the legal codes and practices of ALL islamic countries governed by Shariah) – the issue may not be whether she was entitled to “divorce” her husband. She IS entitled to obtain a divorce from her husband in islam under certain, very limited circumstances that may only be established with substantial difficulty. However, the question in this case may turn out to be whether she was entitled to the KIND of legal recourse she actually sought. According to what I have read, she did not look to islamic law for her protection here. Rather, she appealed to an unislamic legal system that does NOT accept or abide by islamic rules relating to property division, child custody, testimony, adultery, right of physical punishment or the authority of the husband as enforcer of islamic norms within the household. In fact, her recourse to kuffar law here makes her a very credible apostate under islamic law – and the punishment for that infraction most assuredly IS death (and many, many islamic practitioners would argue that the husband, as enforcer and “maintainer” of islamic norms over his wife, was honor-bound to execute the sentence).

Feb 15, 2009 - 2:55 pm 55. Phyllis Chesler: On the ‘honor killing’ recently in Buffalo | Vlad Tepes:

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Feb 15, 2009 - 3:33 pm 56. Lynn:

He could have cut off her head to prevent her from getting to paradise.

Here’s another good one.

“Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence.”

Feb 15, 2009 - 3:54 pm 57. Bless Israel:

Exactly right Omar #54!!! Islam is a plague and needs to be wiped off the face of the earth!! Islam is not a religion of peace!! The Koran says that it is legit to lie to infidels!! Do not believe anything coming out of the the mouth of a muslim!!

Feb 15, 2009 - 3:55 pm 58. tommyd:

#54 Ormar.

wonderful, there is only one little problem with that.
This is the U.S.A. The act happened here, America.
Killing anyone other than in self defense is a crime.
Any person who immigrates to America hey to bad but you have to abide by OUR laws like everyone else. (unless you are of course a Senator or Congress person)
There is none of this hey we are Islamist so we are gonna move in here and have our own community and screw your laws… no that does not work..

and Jacob, remove you head from your rectum. your post is totally without merit.

Feb 15, 2009 - 4:10 pm 59. Judy, NYC:

strange that Buffalo, not ordinarily a newsy city has been in the press this last week with two horrific incidents. this one, the grisly “honor” murder and the plane “crash”. so far, it has been determined there was nothing wrong the de-icing mechanisms on the wings of the aircraft, or wrong with anything else, except that people thought it nosedived and it didn’t, it landed flat.

the FBI should go over that passenger list with a fine tooth comb, because muslims also kill the man involved with their wives or men they imagine to be involved.

I think it was a bomb or worse. we are in chaos. and, the dummy in the white house is too busy ringing for the butler to give a sht.

Feb 15, 2009 - 4:15 pm 60. Knights13:

deguello, would you like to test my IQ? I’ll be glad to go over my statments with you. What do you see that reflects a low IQ?

Feb 15, 2009 - 4:42 pm 61. LeighB:

BTW: Where are the feminists?

We are at the gun range, practicing.

Feb 15, 2009 - 4:58 pm 62. Still Bill:

Yes, I’m told that Islam, despite an occasional beheading here or there, is the religion of peace, love, and tolerance; but Mama and Papa didn’t raise a dummy, so count me in the small but growing number of civilized human beings who see Radical Islam for what it really is. In other words, I’m not buying the bullshit. There is a “gathering storm” on the horizon called Radical Islam, and that storm will eventually lead to World War III. In my small way, I’m prepared. I wish I could say the same thing about the spineless “leaders” of the free world.

Feb 15, 2009 - 5:03 pm 63. Don:

I´d bet Jacob is one of CAIR´s little toads paid a few bucks a month to come onto websites like this one and other articles critical of Islam to write with supposed authority of knowledge of Islam and how this thing or that thing or any number of the dispicable, disgusting, revolting things we see from the Religion of Peace is NOT REALLY the “true Islam,” or isolated instances by “people claiming to be Muslim” (as if a true, honest-to-Allah Muslim would NEVER behead anyone), and use a name like Jacob to think he´s fooling us. Well, maybe he fools the likes of Nancy, but Jacob, people with half a brain aren´t falling for your BS. We know better. Nice try. Now go collect your twenty bucks from CAIR and buy a pork chop – they´re tastey as hell.

Feb 15, 2009 - 5:11 pm 64. Ricky Racer:

Jacob: You are Canadian, aren´t you? I can always tell a Canadian. They are either wearing socks with Birkenstock sandals, or they are appeasing Islam.

Feb 15, 2009 - 5:16 pm 65. Bilgeman:

#27 Nancy:

“I’m trying to focus on the solution, not the problem! ”

Good idea…mind if I try?

Mr. Hassan should be given a sex-change, raped with a trained dog, and then drowned in a vat of pig shit.

How’s that or a solution?

Feb 15, 2009 - 5:39 pm 66. Bilgeman:

#40 Jacob:

“In fact, the Quran says that if a woman wants a divorce it is her right that it be done in a peaceful & fair manner, and the best of men is considered those who treat their wives well. ”

I’ve also read an authorized translation of the Koran, and this is true.

What Mr. Hassan allegedly did comes from the deeper-rooted Arab culture that predates Islam. Kinda like where our Christmas Tree and Halloween has evolved from.

But folks aren’t ready to accept that, and Arabs like Hassan do Islam no favor when he and his allies claim that it’s permissible under Islam.

So, I’ll amend my “solution” offered above…Hassan should get his sex-change, be raped by a trained dog, and then drowned in a vat of pig shit…by OTHER Muslims.
For offending and dishonoring Islam by his crimes.

Feb 15, 2009 - 5:45 pm 67. Simon Synett:

To Knights13 I think the point is that in Mexico and other places, beheading is a crime. Within certain Islamic communities it is a mitzvah (a religious obligation)!

Feb 15, 2009 - 5:46 pm 68. Lynn:

This explains why he had to kill her. She obviously did not obey him after following the steps of: admonish, banish, scourge, beat.

“Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great.”

Here’s another good one…

O womenfolk, you should give charity and ask much forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell.

Feb 15, 2009 - 6:26 pm 69. scinsak:

im horrified, but how is this an honor killing, the guy just murdered her out of fury/ anger or whtever, i dont think it has anything to do with his religion. ?

Feb 15, 2009 - 6:32 pm 70. scinsak:

and i think i pretty much agree with Jacob here cause as a matter of fact, ive also read Quran, Torah and bible for comparing purposes and found that Islam actually gives women more rights than man and its the fist religion that actually acknowledged women as a human being and not some property or a object to be traded around.
whatever the reason might be behind mr. Hassan’s cruel intention i doubt it has anything to do with how much of a man he is in a muslim community! thats plain bs!

Feb 15, 2009 - 6:39 pm 71. gboisjo:

So I killed my wife like any good Muslim would after being dishonored, praise allah. And If for some misguided western reason I should be put to death for this rightous action so be it. Allah will give me 40 virgins in heaven to have fun with. Wake up women of the world this your worse nightmare come true and unless we stop this malignancy your daughters will pay the price.

Feb 15, 2009 - 6:59 pm 72. Tee Tree:

How many of the illegal imigrants flocking into the US from Mexico every day are Moslems?

If Mexicans can just walk in, why not Moslems with their dangerous ideas?

And isn’t there an organisation in the US that defends the rights of women? Never heard them arguing for more freedom for Moslem women. Or have I missed something?

Feb 15, 2009 - 7:07 pm 73. JFP:

OK, Knights13, yes, there were many beheadings in Mexico. Let’s look at the differences, OK? According to this article:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1839576,00.html

1. It’s all about drugs. It’s criminals beheading either other criminals or the police. And some of the victims were beheaded after they were killed in some other way.
2. There’s no instance mentioned of a husband beheading his wife.
3. It was unknown before 2006.

“My point is many here are making this an islam problem or innovation of some sort. So, why are there beheadings and people being chopped into pieces with non islamic communities?”

Sorry, but it’s still an Islamic problem. Among groups in the U.S., I’ve never heard of any other group that regularly does this. Plus, this practice goes back centuries, I believe, while the Mexican example is very recent.

Both you and Jacob have given weak and irrelevant counterexamples to what we are talking about here.

Feb 15, 2009 - 7:19 pm 74. Lynn:

Apparently the founder of Islam felt it was important to say this more than once.

“I also saw the Hell-fire and I had never seen such a horrible sight. I saw that most of the inhabitants were women.”

….because they are

ungrateful.

Feb 15, 2009 - 8:05 pm 75. Lynn:

Women will enjoy this is paradise……

Allah’s Apostle (The blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said:

“In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy them.”

They will have places in the corner waiting……not seeing……

Feb 15, 2009 - 8:09 pm 76. Jacob:

scinsak# 69 & 70– I guess you and I are the only ones who’ve actually read the entire Quran here (or most of it), so we can actually give an educated response. (most of these ppl posting have either never read the entire Quran, or are just pulling random parts of it from those ihateislam websites).

And Lynn #74 Its true that the Quran mentions that hell has a lot of women, but it also explains right after that it is b/c women do a lot of backbiting (moreso than men, which is a serious sin in Islam. So you should read the entire section and not just what you want hear to support your claims.

Everyone else here, you have been grossly misinformed by these people who claim to be Muslims and commit these horrendous acts. I used to think differntly about Islam too, until I read the Quran for myself. So read it before you make assumptions based on others actions.

Feb 15, 2009 - 8:52 pm 77. Jacob:

To Don#63– Hahaha, I can’t believe you think Im not who I say I am. My name is Jacob Hoffman and Im a senior at the University of Toronto. I grew up in Timmins, Ont (& London Ontario–Go Montcalm Cougars!). Come to UWO and look me up, I’m on student council & I’m as white as they come lol. And Im not Muslim myself but I’m going to do my Masters in religious studies, so I know a lot about Islam & Christianity.

Feb 15, 2009 - 9:01 pm 78. Bug Eye Guy:

Yep, its me agin. This song goes to the tune of “Oh Don’t Forsake Me, Oh My Darling”. So tune your guitars and sing along!

Chorus:
***************************************
Oh don’t behead me, oh my darlin
Even though I wasn’t true
Oh don’t behead me, oh my darlin
then cover up the clue
***************************************

We looked so good together
the night we were wed
Now I’m so cold and bloody
my hands searching for my head
*********************
chorus
*******************
Yes it was an arranged marriage
and the good times that we had
Now the kids are without mommy
and in the jailhouse is their dad
**********************
chorus
*********************
It was this cur—–sed country
with all the freedoms that it has
That made me look at you more closely
and realize you’re a spaz
**********************
chorus
**********************
You tried to correct me
but your beatings made it worse
Now they take me away forever
in a casket, in a hearse
************************
chorus
***********************
No need to blame anybody
we’re above if you please
It all has to be religion
this damn religion or “Peace”
***********************
chorus

Thank you vvverrry vvverrrry much.

Feb 15, 2009 - 9:04 pm 79. Bug Eye Guy:

Sorry, I double tapped.

Feb 15, 2009 - 9:06 pm 80. Knights13:

JFP, You find a random muslim going phsyco a lot more threatening than gang memebers continuously beheading police officers. There was one beheading by a person that happens to be muslim which then leads us to conclude this is common practice. If that were true than one beheading is a really low number and we should be looking for at least a thousand more heads. When a chinese men does this or anyone else then the problem is isolated to this person being crazy but when a person happens to be a muslim then it is islam.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:11 pm 81. Knights13:

If that were true then**** chinese man******

“Allah will give me 40 virgins in heaven to have fun with.”

You are not a muslim and definately haven’t read the quran. It’s 70 virgins. lol I don’t think there is a number of virgins you get.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:18 pm 82. Lynn:

“A wise lady among them said: Why is it, Messenger of Allah, that our folk is in bulk in Hell? Upon this the Holy Prophet observed: You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses.”

Cursing!

Ungrateful!

Backstabbers!

In the corner
of paradise
blind
for other’s
pleasure.

Be grateful.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:33 pm 83. Still Bill:

To Jacob: I know you are about to get your Masters degree in religious studies, and that makes you smarter than the rest of us unenlightened peons you are forced to tolerate, but please explain one thing to me: Why is it that in worldwide polls, when Muslims are asked if it is acceptable to kill “infidels” who refuse to accept Islam as their “religion”, large percentages of these lunatics say “Yes”! Please explore that topic in your next religious studies class, and get back to me on how the discussion went.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:39 pm 84. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:

Hmm, is the method of murder relative to Islam’s religion. Sure some Mexican drug cartels and various Chinese have used beheading, but is beheading indicative of modern American culture murder? No, it isn’t.

Now if he would of simply shot (not to distort the complexity of the crime, murder is murder) his wife, I doubt if the murder would’ve been so closely related to Islam, and fervorence against Islam, here on this thread, would’ve of been the focus.

I guess the nature of the murder (beheading) and the fact he was an Islamist is the reason people are focusing on the religion.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:42 pm 85. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:

I’m sure most of you have heard of the misinterpretion of “72 virgins” as really meaning “72 white grapes” In case you haven’t I’ll post more details about it.

There is no such thing of 72 virgins in Islam or Quran. u cant find even a single verse of Quran which says the thing like that. this thing came from some corrupt hadith. detail answer is
In Islam, the Houri is described as “(splendid) companions of equal age (well-matched)”, “lovely eyed”, of “modest gaze”, “voluptuous”, “pure beings” or “companions pure” of paradise, denoting humans and jinn who enter paradise after being recreated a new in the hereafter.There are graphical descriptions of physical pleasures in heaven. Islam also has a strong mystical tradition which places these heavenly delights in the context of the ecstatic awareness of God.

Description: The houri have variously been described as being “chaste females”, “restraining their glances”, “modest gaze”, “wide and beautiful/lovely eyes”, “untouched / with hymen unbroken by sexual intercourse”, “like pearls”, “virgins”, “voluptuous/full-breasted”, “with large, round breasts which are not inclined to hang”, “companions of equal age”, “non-menstruating/urinating/defecating and childfree”, “60 cubits [27.5 meters] tall”, “7 cubits [3.2 meters] in width”, “transparent to the marrow of their bones”, “eternally young”, “hairless except the eye brows and the head”, “pure”, “beautiful”, “white”, “splendid” and much more besides

Corresponding Hebrew root
In Hebrew the corresponding adjective ????? hiwer has the same root h-w-r, meaning “pale, whitish”.
Qur’an
The houri are mentioned in several places in the Qur’an, although in plural no specific number is given to the amount of houries available. Likewise it does not appear from the Qur’an that only girls should be available; both sexes are mentioned. And they are made available to all Muslims, not just martyrs.
“Thus shall it be. And We shall pair(zawajnahoom: pair them, marry them). Note zawj (lit., “a pair” or – according to the context – “one of a pair”) applies to either of the two sexes,a man to a woman and a woman to a man, as does the transitive verb zawaja, “he paired” or “joined”, i.e., one person with another)[30]them with companions pure, most beautiful of eye.”[Chapter (Surah) Ad-Dukhan (The Smoke)(44):54][31]
“In these [gardens] will be mates of modest gaze [qasirat at-tarf: Lit., “such as restrain their gaze”, i.e., are of modest bearing and have eyes only for their mates (Tafsir Razi).This phrase applies to both genders.[4]], whom neither man nor invisible being will have touched ere then.” [Chapter (Surah) Ar-Rahman (The Most Beneficent(55):56][32]
“[There the blest will live with their] companions pure and modest, in pavilions [splendid] [Chapter (Surah) Ar-Rahman (The Most Beneficent)(55):72][33]

“reclining on couches [of happiness] ranged in rows!” And [in that paradise] We shall mate them with companions pure, most beautiful of eye [Chapter (Surah) At-Tur (The Mount)(52):20][34]

Here are verses that refer to one’s spouse renewal to a pure state :
“And [with them will be their] spouses, raised high: for, behold, We shall have brought them into being in a life renewed, having resurrected them as virgins [Chapter (Surah) Al-Waqi'a (The Event)(56):34-36]
And among His wonders is this: He creates for you mates out of your own kind [min anfusikum azwajan, Lit. “from among yourselves mates (spouses, one of the pair)”] so that you might incline towards them, and He engenders love and tenderness between you: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who think! … And He it is who creates [all life] in the first instance, and then brings it forth anew: and most easy is this for Him, since His is the essence of all that is most sublime in the heavens and on earth, and He alone is almighty, truly wise. [Chapter (Surah) Ar-Rum (The Romans)(30):21…27]

There are also verses regarding both genders explicitly:
God has promised the believers, both men and women (Lit., waalmuminoona (male believers) waalmuminatu (female believers), gardens through which running waters flow, therein to abide, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual bliss: but God’s goodly acceptance is the greatest [bliss of all] -for this, this is the triumph supreme! [Chapter (Surah) At-Taubah (The Repentance) (9):72]

As for anyone – be it man or woman [Lit., min (from) thakarin (male) aw (or) ontha (female)][16:97] – who does righteous deeds, and is a believer withal – him shall We most certainly cause to live a good life, and most certainly shall We grant unto such as these their reward in accordance with the best that they ever did. [Chapter (Surah) An-Nahl (The Bee) (16):97]
Criticism
Regarding the above statement, Hafiz Salahuddin Yusuf has said: “The narration, which claims that everyone would have seventy-two wives has a weak chain of narrators.”

“White Grapes”
Modern day philologist, Christoph Luxenberg has argued that the word huri, has been misinterpreted by generations of Muslim readers as wide-eyed virgins (who will serve the faithful in Paradise; Qur’an 44:54, 52:2

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:52 pm 86. dad:

The religion of peace strikes again. Every day we see the teachings of the cave stooge Mohammed (Hellfire be upon him) forced upon people. This vile cult can only spread through intimidation, death, rape, and every other form of violence one could imagine only in nightmares. Islam has taken the most disgusting example of a man and turned it into the one to emulate. The choice is to believe in the self imposed prophet from hell or be beheaded by his minions. Islam means surrender, Islam treats its people like chattel, to be controlled by ignorant fools who do not have the manhood to strap a suicide belt to themselves. Its OK Mohammed (HBUH) would not do it either, he would force someone else to do it because he as his clerics are cowards. Would Osama strap a belt to himself? No because he is only brave enough to have someone else do it.
How pathetic isIslam. Once people see the light they the leave it or get killed trying.

Feb 15, 2009 - 10:53 pm 87. Yaakov Watkins:

It’ very hard for someone to read a few books and understand how a religion is actually practiced.

That fact is that honor killings are normal in the Islamic world. That fact is also that we have a lot more Moslems than we used to and we will have more. We have to have a way to deal with it.

England is trying to cooperate with Muslims by attempting to introduce Shaaria into the civil legal code. I would bet that most of the readers here find that attitude unacceptable.

The whole freedom of religion thing was based on the idea that religion didn’t require anything that was really bad like beheading, forced marriage, blinding or cutting off hands. We now have to face the fact that Islam, as practiced by many people around the world and by many immigrants, is not the kind of religion that our founders had in mind when they thought up the first amendment. We can’t say that it is okay for a Moslem man to beat his wife and it is not okay for a Christian or an atheist man to beat his wife. Nor are we comfortable saying that Muslims are not protected by the First Amendment.

Until I hear more Muslims publicly condemn this violence, I will believe that they are willing to countenance it. I don’t think that Americans are willing to countenance this behavior.

I am not willing to conclude that all Muslims would behave this way, but I believe that almost all would accept the behavior in a neighbor and would not call the police. I wish I am wrong.

Feb 15, 2009 - 11:00 pm 88. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:

“misinterpretation”

Feb 15, 2009 - 11:05 pm 89. Knights13:

“Hmm, is the method of murder relative to Islam’s religion.”

Makes you wonder why they need those AK-47s.

“Sure some Mexican drug cartels and various Chinese have used beheading, but is beheading indicative of modern American culture murder? No, it isn’t.”

You should have told OJ not to stab that much. How about those babies being mistaken for fish or even placed in microwaves where they were mistaken for food?

Feb 15, 2009 - 11:47 pm 90. Omar:

I realize that you THINK you know what islam teaches, Jacob, but in fact, you really don’t have a flippin’ clue. You’ve been given a very distorted, westernized understanding by people who want you to see islam in a certain way – but you will find you understanding doesn’t bear any resemblance to the truth outside of the walls of certain schools and a very thin, deceptive layer of westernized muslims.

So, let me tell you what I think may have happened in this case.

This pair were self-conscious, practicing muslims for some portion of their married life, thus the husband had an expectation that his wife accepted and was living in submission to islamic principles. According to those principles, here’s what would have happened in an islamic country: First, she never would have filed in the first place, because the social and financial costs are so very profound . . so the perogative for divorce would have been largely his and his ALONE – she would have been at his mercy and it have only taken three words, spoken in front of witnesses, and she would have been dismissed from her home and her children’s lives (as custody must reside with the father after a certain age) – and he would have been required to return only the money she brought into the marriage, plus (maybe) some limited maintenance (a very meagre sum which is almost never collected). Instead, this is what happened to Mr. Hassan from his own, muslim perspective: his so-called “islamic” wife used the laws of a kuffar state to exclude him from his home and his ability to exert physical discipline over her, which is his right and duty under the Quran. She was suing under those same filthy human laws to demand still MORE of his property; worse still, she was probably going to demand custody of the children, which are his by right and belong to him after the established ages have passed (an event which has probably already occurred for at least SOME of the Hassan children) and for the little ones, rather than raise in fear and submission to islam, she would have end up corrupting them with her now hopelessly filthy, kuffar ways. These acts are not the acts of a muslim woman. These acts are an affront to him as her husband and an insult and a rejection of islam and islamic law. She is at this point, quite credibly, a filthy kuffar and an apostate, and we haven’t even addressed the issue of her possible infidelity, which he may also have suspected – and of course, both apostasy and adultery are capital offenses under the law to which Mr. Hassan probably subscribes . . . )

So islam is not so very benign and probably not so very guiltless here, Jacob – not by any measure. In a TRUE islamic state she would have been dead and buried by her husband’s hand for doing as she has done(as many women are) and noone would have been the wiser or even cared.

Feb 16, 2009 - 1:38 am 91. Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish:

@Knights13:

You still didn’t give me an example of a citizen of the USA, of recent memory (other than the muslem here in this story) murder their victim by beheading.

Hmm let me think, do any muslems of recent memory come to mind, that murdered USA citizens by beheading them?

Feb 16, 2009 - 3:59 am 92. Marcia:

Phyllis: I can’t believe that the DA called it domestic violence!!!!I am working on an article to urge people to start looking at this “domestic violence” as a “hate crime.”

I have been working on an article to urge people to look at DV as a hate crime. These crimes against women are just that! Shall I send you my article when I am finished? I am working with a NYS Legislator on this. She and I are on the same page. Hatred of women rears its ugly head in so many ways. This is the ultimate act of hatred…….. murder.

Feb 16, 2009 - 4:19 am 93. Don:

Jacob, 77: Live in the Islamic world like I did for over five years – it´s a better education on Islam than you´ll get from your Islam apologist ultra-liberal Canadian university professors. And it´ll force you to grow up and quit being a punky, idealistic, wimp-ass apologist for an evil ideology brought to over a billion people by a warlord, murderous, hateful, bigoted, pedoaphilia egomaniacal madman. I too have read the Koran, dated several Muslimas (what a ride THAT was), and have many, many Muslim friends who can´t stand their religion and fear it, but are stuck in it. Grow up, little fella.

Feb 16, 2009 - 5:20 am 94. Paul -Indiana:

Obambi will make it all better.

Feb 16, 2009 - 6:16 am 95. Nancy Gough Riley:

JFP – Sorry I didn’t get this to you sooner.
Google: DagHammarskjold. Click DagHammarskjoldFoundation.
- then click Publications, then click Development Dialogue
Sincerely.

Feb 16, 2009 - 6:34 am 96. WestWright:

Omar, good response to the Dhimmi Canadian stupend. It is amazing how the Leftist have been able to revise reality to defend the pure hatred and evil that is at the core of Muhammed’s teaching’s. This Canadian Grad stupend is another foot soldier for Islam and has managed to absorb the Left’s whole spiel, we are so much smarter than thou. It’s repulsive.

Feb 16, 2009 - 7:19 am 97. JFP:

Nancy Gough Riley: Can’t you give me a link? I did what you said, and I’m still seeing nothing but a list of titles. Did you want me to read all of them? Plus, I’m not certain what they mean by neoliberalism, given that the word “liberal” is itself ambiguous.

Better than giving me a link, why don’t you summarize what they said?

Feb 16, 2009 - 8:20 am 98. Marcia:

If this was a Jew or a Priest, or an Afridan American man,or Latino it would be all over the news for hours and hours. But this story has barely made a dent in the news. If it were not for Phyllis, I would not even know about it. This is a disgrace. What is happening? Why the silence? Have they taken over our airwaves too?

Feb 16, 2009 - 8:40 am 99. JFP:

Knights13, you’re like Rimmer in the Polymorph episode of Red Dwarf: “Just because it’s an armor-plated alien killing machine that salivates unspeakable slobber doesn’t mean it’s a bad person.”

What would you be saying if this was the 30s and you were talking about Nazi Germany? According to Paul Berman in “Terror and Liberalism,” there actually were leftists in France during that period who defended the Nazis. How pathetic.

Feb 16, 2009 - 8:41 am 100. Bilgeman:

#93 Don:

“Live in the Islamic world like I did for over five years – it´s a better education on Islam than you´ll get from your Islam apologist ultra-liberal Canadian university professors.”

I lived in an Islamic country for two years,(Tunisia), and it was not the misogynist shit-hole that some Islamic countries are.

The difference,chum, is that they weren’t Wahhabists, although in the intervening 30 years, that may have changed.

See…that’s one of our weak points, we accept what human dog-turds like Hassan say at face value when they claim that the horrific acts they do are “permissible under Islam”.

Perhaps under a Wahhabist interpretation, they are, but that doesn’t necessarily hold true for the rest. It’s not quite the monolithic entity that we may imagine that it is.

Until Vatican II, I couldn’t eat meat on Friday, but a Methodist could…who is the Christian?

A Mormon, until 1890 or so, could practice polygamy, while a Lutheran who did so would be excommunicated and shunned…who was more Christian?

Some Reviavalists handle serpents and drink poison…are they less or more Christian because of it?

The kaleidoscope of interpretations that comprise what is collectively known as Christianity is mirrored over on the Islamic side.

Unfortunately, Wahabism is the best financed and the most “missionary” of them.

“And it´ll force you to grow up and quit being a punky, idealistic, wimp-ass apologist for an evil ideology brought to over a billion people by a warlord, murderous, hateful, bigoted, pedoaphilia egomaniacal madman.”

Was Mohammed a kook? Of course…no argument.
Many people say the same of St. Paul, a gent not known for his enlighetned views of the womenfolk.

The difference between the practices of Christinity and Islam lie in the cultural soil in which they took root.

While the Bedouin tribes of 5th century Arabia buried infant girls alive, the pagan west of the pre-Christian didn’t.

And Catholicism, informed as it was by Judaism’s ban on child sacrifice, continues to hold life as sacred from the moment of conception to this very day.

“I too have read the Koran, dated several Muslimas (what a ride THAT was), and have many, many Muslim friends who can´t stand their religion and fear it, but are stuck in it. Grow up, little fella.”

The fact that you know Muslims who cannot stand their religion, in all probabiity for it’s radicalization at the hands of the Wahhabists, should tell you something.

Perhaps they feel as I would if every abortion clinic bomber and murderer of abortion doctors claimed in his defense that he was acting in the name of God and on the instructions of the Holy Father.

The bottom line in this is that I don;t really care what his cover story is for WHY he did what he did, whether it was his interpretation of his faith, or his cultural “penis issues”.

If I was a Muslim, it would be the sex-change, quality time with “Fido”, and drowned in pig-shit for WHAT he did.

Feb 16, 2009 - 9:37 am 101. Knights13:

“Knights13, you’re like Rimmer in the Polymorph episode of Red Dwarf:”

Great explanation. No, being stuck in the 1930 is pathetic. That’s pathetic.

Feb 16, 2009 - 9:53 am 102. Knights13:

“Phyllis: I can’t believe that the DA called it domestic violence!!!!”

It’s a murder. You people on crack? It’s a freaking murder.

Feb 16, 2009 - 9:56 am 103. Sue:

Ah yes……another Muslim immigrant showing deference for his cultural heritage and contributing to America’s multi cultural mosaic. How sweet

Feb 16, 2009 - 9:57 am 104. Libertyship46:

Wow, and this is what we see from a person who was promoting “moderate” Muslim behavior (as if there ever was such a thing). Could you imagine what would have happened in Buffalo, NY, if he was a radical extremist? I hope he rots in jail for the rest of his life, not that we can expect that to happen from a New York State court.

Feb 16, 2009 - 9:59 am 105. TomkoKubianca:

Jacob must be a farce. His comments are classic Taqqiya. He says that he has read and studied the Qaran and that there is no association between beheading and Islam. And this guy is getting a degree in religious studies?!!!!

First off I’d like to say I haven’t read the entire Qaran. I made it through the first 9 chapters (about a 3rd of the way through). It is probably one of the hardest books to read. There’s no real story as such, the repetition is mind boggling, and it’s not even in Chronological order.

Mohammed and his followers attacked the Jewish tribe of Quraiza in Arabia. He collected all the males had them strip naked and any with pubic hair were beheaded (any where from 600 to 900), raped the women and made them concubines, enslaved the children, then divided their possessions among themselves. Mohammed took Rayhana as a concubine.

8:12 “Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers.”

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

That’s just 2 examples from the Qaran, and without even getting into the hadiths and sunna.

I lived in Saudi for 2 years, every friday after prayers there were public beheadings.

The Jordanian lawmakers had a chance to write stricter laws against ‘honor killing,’ but they went for laxity rather than more stringent punishments.

So you see beheading and Islam are almost synonymous.

If this Jacob is for real he supposedly will be a religious expert soon. Isn’t that comforting to know?

Feb 16, 2009 - 10:28 am 106. Martha:

After having a lot of difficulties with prejudice in college and watching one of my girl friends become a sex slave to Saudi boys and her eventual disappearance, I decided to educate myself on this culture. As a woman, I love being a free American. I love never having to be frightened of my husband when or if we have disputes. We work it out, but frankly I don’t trust ANY muslim male. At All EVER! I have never ever had a good experience with one. They are all over sexed and hateful. They have NO respect for women of any kind and keep your young daughters, and I mean down to 5 out of their reach.
I don’t care how supposedly moderate any one of them claims to be. They always revert to barbarism. They cannot be trusted. Why oh why do we EVEN tolerate them on our soil. Will it someday come down to a shooting revolution? I would be happy to pass the ammunition just to be sure I won’t ever have to face these crazies.

Read this book if you really want more info on “honor killing”. Remember gentelmen, you may be fathers of precious young women some day. Would you kill your daughter on a flimsy accusation? I hope not!!

This is a very disturbing book. It claims to be the autobiography of a member of the Saudi royal family, and it exposes the very real human rights abuses that shape the everyday lives of women in Saudi Arabia.

The book supposedly tells of the life of Sultana (not her real name), a granddaughter of the al-Saud warlord who brought most of the Arabian peninsula under his family’s control at the dawn of the 20th century. Even though she is a member of the royal family, Sultana is bound by a strict society that defines women as nothing more than vessels for sexual relief and breeders of children for the men.

Princess depicts how even royal women are beaten, executed, and enslaved by their fathers, husbands, and brothers. It tells of a Filipino woman who came to Saudi Arabia to take a job working as a housekeeper in a private home, only to learn upon arrival that her duties also included providing daily sexual release to her employer and his two sons. It’s the story of a young woman who was stoned to death for bringing dishonor upon her family–she had been raped by her brother’s friends, who then lied and claimed she had enticed them.

There is some controversy with this book. It contains some allegations (such as the suggestion that female genital mutilation is widely practiced in Saudi Arabia) that just aren’t true. The errors that I was able to identify make me wonder how much of the book I really can believe. Its deep negativity regarding Arabian society makes me suspicious–I would expect more of a balance between negative and positive if the book was truly trying to portray how life really is for women there.

Feb 16, 2009 - 10:37 am 107. Martha:

Sorry forgot to mention the book title “Princess” and author Jean P. Sasson (not her real name)and there is a sequel to it as well.

Feb 16, 2009 - 10:53 am 108. Oscar the Grump:

Knights 11
Good to see you again. And well, may I add. You sound as dumb as usual. Here’s a present for you.

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/videos/108/the-violent-oppression-of-women-in-islam/

Enjoy!

Feb 16, 2009 - 10:57 am 109. NahnCee:

Omar – thank you. That’s the best translation of Muslim “thinking” that I’ve ever seen. So, in summation, just because they’re here for two or three generations they *must* uphold the Koran and all its filth or the man of the house will murderize them. Sweet.

Feb 16, 2009 - 11:02 am 110. Still Bill:

Wake up civilized human beings where ever you are! Islam in its present-day form reminds me of the old adage: if it looks like a duck, and it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck. If the dominant voices of Islam today look like Nazi fascists, walk like Nazi fascists, and talk like Nazi fascists, then they must be Nazi fascists. I guess in modern day Islam, beheading your wife to honor Allah is no different than stepping on a cockroach.

Feb 16, 2009 - 1:12 pm 111. WR Jonas:

Where is the outrage , the moralistic outcry and the demand for our lawmakers to do something ?
I read “Infidel” a while ago and Ayan Hirsi Ali describes the brutal and malevolent nature of Islam pretty well .They are still trying to murder her. That is their answer to everything. So in keeping with that theme our lawmakers should immediately pass a Muslim Protection Act for anyone committing honor crimes against Muslims should receive an automatic death sentence and the execution carried out within 24 hours of the conviction.

Feb 16, 2009 - 1:57 pm 112. John Galt:

Ah yes the Koran strikes again.

Thanks for the heads up (no pun intended)

Feb 16, 2009 - 2:01 pm 113. Nightly Ramble: The President’s Day edition | BitsBlog:

[...] lose your head: Phyllis Chesler over at Pajamas Media speaks to the behading in Buffalo I wrote about on Friday.

Feb 16, 2009 - 2:03 pm 114. Geoff King:

If a person “reads the entire Koran” their knowledge of Islam will still be vastly incomplete. The Koran by itself is repetitious, disjointed, (the chapters are organized by their LENGTH not chronologically or according to narrative) and often incomprehensible. One must refer to the hadiths (the words and actions of Muhammad) to decipher many verses. But even more importantly, one must be aware of the principal of ABROGATION (how later-occuring violent verses supercede and cancel the earlier “peaceful” verses written before Muhammad became a powerful warlord). Most Muslims quote the earlier “peaceful” Koranic verses to “prove” Islam is peaceful, omitting the fact that these verses are superceded by later, violent ones. Westerners must also be aware of the Muslim doctrine of “Taqiyya” (deception to help spread Islam) to understand in depth of Islam’s depravity. To really know the mindset of Islam, one must observe what Muslims preach and teach to each other by viewing their media (memri.org) and reading books by ex-Muslims who escaped the cult of death; Ali Sina, Walid Phares, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirshi Ali, Walid Shoebat, etc.) Only then will you see “true” Islam. (Are you listening Jacob?)

Feb 16, 2009 - 2:09 pm 115. ERS:

If anyone reading this has expertise in criminal law, could you please explain why Mr. Hassan has been charged with second-degree murder rather than first?

Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
“Reclaiming Honor in Jordan”
http://www.redroom.com/author/ellen-r-sheeley

Feb 16, 2009 - 2:15 pm 116. EST:

ERS: presumably, the DA assumes that this murder occurred in heat of passion (2nd degree) rather than cold, calculated premeditation (1st degree)

Feb 16, 2009 - 2:36 pm 117. Oscar the Grump:

It was probably a crime of “passion” not an intentional murder. He may have tried to reconnect the severed head and give her mouth to mouth resuscitation. Who knows? He was a nice man, a kind man etc.

Feb 16, 2009 - 2:47 pm 118. EST:

Even if this is a honor killing rather than domestic violence, resources available for domestic violence victims could have helped: a safety plan that made sure that this woman would never be in the same place together with this man — the victim could have been sent to a DV shelter, possibly in a different area so she could not be found. Women usually are hesitant to leave their homes and go to a shelter, but shelters can save lives. Courts should always make sure when granting protective orders that exchanges of the children occur through third parties (yes, in majority of cases, if children themselves have not been abused, parents still have a right to parenting time). This woman probably was tricked so she’d be in the same place as her husband, since protective orders usually prohibit contact.

Feb 16, 2009 - 2:54 pm 119. gnatsandcamels:

Thank you again, Phyllis, for being among the few public female voices of reason. And in agreement to many, where is NOW now?

Feb 16, 2009 - 2:55 pm 120. ERS:

Thanks, EST and Oscar.

It’s just hard for me to believe there was no element of premeditation in this. Aasiya was beheaded on the 12th; Muzzammil was booted from the house on or before the 6th. And who has beheading equipment just sitting around the office?

I’m hoping the prosecutors will be able to upgrade the charge once the investigation has been completed.

Re: NOW, for whatever reason(s), they have chosen to turn a blind eye on the plight of Arab/Muslim women.

Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
“Reclaiming Honor in Jordan”
http://www.redroom.com/author/ellen-r-sheeley

Feb 16, 2009 - 3:18 pm 121. Curiosity Blog » Honor Killing Is Not Domestic Violence:

[...] Phyllis Chesler points out: [...]

Feb 16, 2009 - 3:39 pm 122. Silent:

And the immigration continues. The Supreme Court has allowed that the Feds can stop immigration from selected countries, even if those countries are chosen precisely because they hold so many of a so-called “religion”; that is, a supremist political system.

Neither Republicans nor Democrats will admit that this immigration undermines our future peace — for generations. Would we welcome white supremicists or members of the Klan?

Feb 16, 2009 - 3:50 pm 123. Oscar the Grump:

ERS
Here’s one for you.

YouTube – Ayan Hirsi Interview

Feb 16, 2009 - 5:03 pm 124. Still Bill:

To ERS: The reason why this savage has not been charged with first-degree murder is because he is a Muslim and the prosecutor in Buffalo is observing Sharia law. Keep tuned to the case. Sooner or later this maniac wife-killer who prays five times a day to Allah will be offered a plea agreement of involuntary manslaughter, and he will be out on the streets in a few years. I wouldn’t be surprised if he winds up as an Imam.

Feb 16, 2009 - 5:25 pm 125. james:

Time to move to Texas, my friends. That is where the last stand will be made and the rebirth will begin. These liberal slave camps that dot the rest of America will be unliveable very shortly.
The media have pretty much ignored this story, but they were drooling all over themselves when this freak murderer started his career. Google him and watch your head explode with frustration.

Feb 16, 2009 - 6:03 pm 126. Leatherneck:

Another beheading within Islam, and no video? I’m shocked I tell ya, just shocked.

Worship Allah, or worship Lucifer, what’s the diff?

ROPMA!

Feb 16, 2009 - 6:31 pm 127. Knights13:

“Knights 11
Good to see you again. And well, may I add. You sound as dumb as usual. Here’s a present for you.”

http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=1303&department=CWA&categoryid=life
http://www.newsmeat.com/news/meat.php?articleId=38377230&channelId=2951&buyerId=newsmeatcom&buid=3281
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87452
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,482742,00.html
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20107057,00.html

According to Oscar the Genius from this we can conclude the western cultures kill their babies. In return we need to jail or kill all of them and their babies. I must admit; that is one intellectual plan.

Feb 16, 2009 - 6:45 pm 128. Knights13:

“Another beheading within Islam, and no video? I’m shocked I tell ya, just shocked.”

Leatherneck, It’s more about power and control. Saddam wasn’t too religious but his cruelty was horrible. Anyone who dared speak against him got his tounge cut or something.

Some of this is hard to stomach. Just as a heads up.

http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html

Feb 16, 2009 - 6:54 pm 129. Jacob:

To Don #93: Haha, you’ve “dated muslimas?” You do realize that the Quran forbids women from dating, let alone with non muslims. This is my exact point. If you ask atheists about chrsitianity you’re going to get a biased response that looks down on it, just like if you ask a preist about christianity, he’ll give a biased response that favors it. So asking “girlfriends” about Islam, when they’re obviously not practicing Islam since they’re DATING, is going to give you a skewed image on the religion. I noticed this with some Turkish girls on campus that say they’re muslim, but who are promiscuous, even hitting on me & my friends.

I would just read the Quran, get it from the source period. Don’t ever base it on what people who hate the religion say.

Feb 16, 2009 - 6:57 pm 130. Jacob:

Double Standard: I remember the Catholic church’s scandals with sexual abuse of minors. But, just because those priests did those horrible things, it does NOT mean that all Catholics condone this behaviour. The public knew it had nothing to do with chrisitanity. These were bad men who used their position to exploit children.

However in this case, this psycho was a respected relgious leader in the Muslim community, SO it must mean that Islam and all muslims support his actions.

This is a double standard, and ppl have to stop using Islam as a scapegoat, and deal with this for what it was: a premeditated, vicious murder carried out by a disgusting human being.

Feb 16, 2009 - 7:08 pm 131. john:

Jacob,

If you’re going to stop being an undereducated poseur on matters religious, I suggest you consider not merely what the Koran explicitly allows but also consider what it doesn’t stop or transform, Religion is a form of anthropology or human self-understanding. Great religious revelations transform how we see ourselves; inferior ones allow us to remain mired in the same old tribal honour/shame shite. I suggest you google “rene girard”.

Feb 16, 2009 - 7:11 pm 132. Still Bill:

To James: I don’t live in Texas, but I have visited there numerous times. I have an ex-wife who lives in Dallas. She phones me occasionally and I phone her occasionally. I never thought about beheading her because she’s too good looking, but more importantly, I gave her a 38-caliber Smith & Wesson for a birthday present, and she knows how to use it. Who knows, some day me and the ex may give it another try, and I will be a fellow Texan.

Feb 16, 2009 - 7:54 pm 133. Oscar the Grump:

Knights10 and a half
You’re pathetic. When you say that I said something you’d better quote me or like this instance you’re a bloody liar. You’re good at twisting facts and making up others. In the west its not part of our religious belief to kill our offspring or mates. It is part of Sharia, deny that a*shole. Honor killings are part and parcel of Islam the religion of Peace. This man was a moderate yet a Moslem, he killed his wife a Moslem way.

Gee I’m so impressed by hyperlinks, I just think I’ll go to a corner and cry. BoooHooo

You come across as an apologist for Islam. You’re not, you’re masquerading, you’re the genuine thing and don’t have the balls to admit it.

Now go play with your numbers.

Feb 16, 2009 - 9:47 pm 134. Paul from Hamburg:

Jacob:

“However in this case, this psycho was a respected relgious leader in the Muslim community, SO it must mean that Islam and all muslims support his actions.” Maybe not, but we just don’t know.

I live just a few miles from Orchard Park. I also live just a few miles from the neighborhood where the Lackawanna Six were arrested. When I go the mall that is half-way between those places, I see young Muslim men. They look completely assimilated and Western, but I know that they are Muslim men because I see their wives standing next to them in a head-to-toe, everthing covered burqa. Should I assume that they think this beheading was horrible? Should I assume that they are not potential terrorists? Why should I not assume that they are radical Islamists if they go along with the misogyny of the burqa?

Feb 16, 2009 - 10:02 pm 135. Ash:

This is the behaviour of Islam… even a good western education seems to not change them… let us remove the scrouge of Islam from our lands, and by that I mean all non-mulsim countries.. these savages need to be contained in their own moslim/arab countries…

Feb 16, 2009 - 10:34 pm 136. Reality Czech:

To Jacob(40)

Don’t you Canadians know that 70 percent of the Koran has been abrogated? The Koran is not unalterable, as are the New and Old Testaments. Allah gave Mohammed “permission”
to change any Koranic text he thought needed revision, so wide swaths of the Koran are not binding on Muslims, even though they remain in print to deceive the infidels

Feb 17, 2009 - 12:43 am 137. Bill:

Hey, the link in message #108 contained a horrible video. Here in a European country (where I live) I was hit by a stick intended for a “whore”. The stick was swung by the Muslim mother of the girl’s “boyfriend”. The guy’s father told me on the phone he will kill her. The entire Muslim family was cheering this violence. Sick.

Here is study of “honor” killings in N. America: http://www.meforum.org/article/2067

Feb 17, 2009 - 2:46 am 138. Omar:

Jacob:

I think the example you gave of the pedophile priest is a very good one – but for my point, not yours. I think this for two reasons: first, because it illuminates a particularly brutal and embarrassing aspect of islamic law that muslims do their best to hide: pedophelia in the context of underage marriage (which, unlike these priestly shenanigans, is actually LEGAL) and 2). it demonstrates how muslims discern the nature of good and evil, right and wrong. One the first point, as you may well know, Mohammad married a six year old and slept with her when she was nine. This sanction for pedophelia and underage marriage has echoes in the Quran in verse 65:4 which discusses the idda, or waiting period, for underage girls upon divorce. Now, you might say, “So what! The bible has nasty verses and the OT prophets did horrible things, too!” and you would be right. But the Quran and the example of Mohammad are not like the old testament bible. Mohammad is considered the best man, “Uswa hasana,” in islam and his conduct is an (perhaps THE) official source of islamic law and, of course, the Quran is the uncreated, unchangeable word of Allah. As a result of this, the age of consent in places like Iran is currently NINE, something like 70% of 8-9 year olds in Afghanistan refugee camps are married and in places where the “official” age of consent is older, it’s really often more for show than anything else. So the upshot of all this is that muslim men are able to commit LEGAL CHILD RAPE in islamic countries in the 21st century as a specific result of the example of Mohammad – and moreover, there is a whole area of islamic law devoted to proper ways of molesting underage girls (e.g. “thighing,” e.g.). Mind you, this is not a cultural/tribal artifact, but a very specific and very conscious imitation of Mohammad that has been enshrined in islamic law and culture for centuries. (To verify this, I suggest you look up the story of Najood, the eight year old Yemeni divorcee, or read the account of Camilla Sadat, daughter of Anwar Sadat former president of Egypt, who was forced to marry at 12 – also Wafa Sultan on you youtube when she discusses the shariah sanctioned marriage of her niece at the age of around 10 or 11, here):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up3yuQDAWKQ

(It’s all good, but the relevant portion starts about 1:45 in)

Now to my second point. I think the issue of pedophelia in the context of underage marriage is especially useful in understanding how right and wrong are determined from an islamic standpoint. You see, westerners generally determine right and wrong via the golden rule and by resort to empathy/sympathy with the suffering of others. But this is not how right and wrong are determined in islam. In pure islam, the sole arbiter of right and wrong is Shariah law. Whatever you propose to do is categorized as either obligatory, permissible (halal) or forbidden (haram). Thus, things like underage marriage, wife beating, spousal rape, which we reject based on empathy and the golden rule, are not wrong at all is islam, because the perspective of the person so assaulted is irrelevant. Wife beating is permissible, child marriage and rape within that marriage are permissible, etc. and they remain permissible regardless of the suffering or wishes of the persons involved. All that matters is what shariah law has to say on the subject. It is a strange way of thinking that does not come naturally to anyone raised in a western context – but there you have it.

Feb 17, 2009 - 3:25 am 139. Bilgeman:

#123 Jacob:

“To Don #93: Haha, you’ve “dated muslimas?” You do realize that the Quran forbids women from dating, let alone with non muslims.”

Yeesh…ole Don is part of the counter-attack, and doesn’t even know it.

The idea here, o fellow Crusaders, is NOT to demonize the adherents of an entire faith, no matter how monstrous it may be, but rather to divide the vast numbers of the lukewarm from the extremist booger-eatein’ mouth-breathers that behead people and detonate themselves and murder children and then claim that such things are done in the name of Islam.

You begin to win by not making more enemies than you absolutely have to.

And doing religiously-based “drive-bys” on all Muslims is a sure way to alienate the ones who privately think that a lot of what was added to the Koran and most of the Hadiths were a crock of sh*t.

Dating Muslim women, and treating them like ladies, is a pretty good strategy.

And believe me, for a lot of them, when you get a gander at the Victoria’s Secret that’s beneath that burkah…if you farm-boys only knew.

But please, if you’ve got the stuff to “go there”, in the name of God…BE DISCREET! These ain’t the dames that you want to talk smack about.

If they trust you enough to allow you to help them get ther freak on, they can literally be trusting you with their lives.

And if you decide to marry one, I reckon that you’ll never find a more loyal wife.

Am I the only cat around here who remembers the rule of “Divide and Conquer”?

Feb 17, 2009 - 5:00 am 140. Jaladhi:

You are totally wrong when you lump Hindus and Sikhs in this honor killing game of Muslims. Where do you get this information??? Phyllis, it’s only the Muslims who do that!!! How many honor killings have been done by Hindus and Sikhs as compared to Muslims in USA and Canada during last year??? Zero, zilch, nada…
Facts please!!!

Show us a single case of Hindu or Sikh honor killing in USA or Canada before you boldly ventured out and made this nonsensical statement!!!

Feb 17, 2009 - 7:16 am 141. Bod:

Couple points on ‘comparitive murder’.

Someone made the comment that beheadings were happening in Mexico too. While this is true, the perpetrators of the beheading of a Mexican Police chief and other town officials are criminals under Mexican law.

#2. While there have been recent reported cases of suttee in India (where widows of deceased men are burned to death), this activity is illegal under Indian law, and therefore, family members who participate in the act are also – criminals.

#3. Sikhs – I haven’t heard of any credible examples of any kind of ritual killings perpetrated by Sikhs, although there’s a history of antagonism between Sikhs and Hindus in India which has led to murders, but guess what? In India, it’s a crime, and being a functional representative democracy, that means that (probably) the majority of Indian voters are also culturally opposed to killing each other on flimsy pretexts.

The problem (sadly) isn’t that there’s a single incident of a muslim man beheading his wife in Buffalo, NY. In cases #2 and #3 above, the killing of one person by another is unacceptable under prevailing law depite having some cultural precedent. In essence, modern ‘civilization’ is tempering the more barbaric historical behavior of society.

The problem with ‘islamic’ honor killing is that it comes from cultures that ARE NOT tempering this barbaric behavior with more modern ‘civilization’. Now, from a purely selfish perspective, many Americans believe that what goes on in barbaric countries is their business, and I can agree with that up to a point, but anyone who believes that you can mix an unmodified 9th century culture with a modent 21st century culture deserves to be right there, at the interface, experiencing the problems. Some people have claimed that it can’t be an ‘Islamic’ problem because some countries are less prone to export head-choppers than others – and this is true, but this seems to be purely an artifact of just how effective that nation’s leadership is at opposing proseletyzing Wahabbism and Salafism. And from recent history, we’ve seen that these Islamic sects are quite effective at displacing ‘moderate’ Islam.

Feb 17, 2009 - 7:53 am 142. Bilgeman:

A further memo from the bilges of the “SS Crusader”:

What we have to realize is that the Islamist/Jihadist mindset is a reactionary one.

In their minds, and this is amply evident from what they say and what they have written, they are REACTING to what they perceive as the encroachment of Western decadence into their societies.

I once wrote that you can tell when you’re over the target by how much flak you’re getting, and this holds true here.

If our philosophiocal, religious and cultural exports, along with our principles of equality, liberty, and the separation of Church and State were NOT seductive to those folks in the Arab/Muslim street, then we, the source and broadcasters of these ideas, wouldn’t be worthy of the political capital the Islamists are expending against us.

The fact that they object so vociferously to our (very broadly speaking), common beliefs…and ESPECIALLY so when they are benefitting the most from living in the midst of such notions…like in Europe…should be the proof in the pudding that we are shooting some major calibers downrange in their direction.

So then rather than slam down a portcullis and hang out a sign saying:

“Muzzies keep OUT!”

We need to seduce them into getting aboard…all they need to do is compartmentalize all that ancient desert Bedouin cultural crap, and conduct themselves in accord with those (again very broadly speaking), common Western values.

The studio full of wonderful prizes is only open to those who agree to play the game, but when they play, they get a shot at that brand new Chrysler too.

The idea here, gang, is to destroy the base of support for the Islamist kooks by erosion where possible, and only resort to the torpedoes where it’s necessary.

And judging by what roughly 100 years of mass media, and 50 years of electronic media have done to our OWN Christian and Jewish heritage, I think such an approach has a better than even chance of succeeding.

Would this not be more preferable to some kind of mass religious oppression and warfare?

Subversion and conversion…that’s where the schwerpunkt should be made.

If you really WANT to end your days beheaded and in an unmarked grave, you’re quite welcome to it, but do the rest of us a favor and don’t vocalize it as if an anti-Muslim RAHOWA is the ONLY path open to us.

When you post your angry screeds, for f*ck’s sake, take the trouble to AIM them carefully, wilya?

Feb 17, 2009 - 8:00 am 143. Bod:

Oops.

So, in conclusion, babbling on about Islam being a religion of peace is irrelevant. When it comes to breeding large numbers of sociopathic head-choppers, Islamic communities are much more prolific than (say) Wiccan, Jesuit or Presbyterian communities, and the unwillingness of the (allegedly) ‘moderate’ muslim community to denounce people who claim to adhere to their religion doesn’t help them. Failure to do so starts to sound awfully like tacit approval.

Feb 17, 2009 - 8:00 am 144. Nancy Gough Riley:

JFP, I haven’t been ignoring you. My sister is in the hospital seriously ill.
I’m not as computer savy as I would like to be. I merely told you what I do to get to this document. I don’t know why it’s not working for you.
In essense, it deals with the crises we’re all facing. As Phyllis says, “connect the dots.” Namely the economic crises and how it is directly related to other injustices.
Hope you find it. It has help me a lot to stay rational. I also got Dag’s book MARKINGS, off the shelf and blew off the dust. He was, as they say, “ahead of his time.” You can take that however you like.
Have a good day.

Feb 17, 2009 - 8:13 am 145. Bod:

Sorry Nancy,

I’m not seeing how the ‘economic crises’ are directly related to ‘injustices’, unless you believe that the crises are somehow engineered as a response to, or to perpetuate those injustices. You obviously have a viewpoint here, and I’m sure we’d all like to hear them.

Furthermore, this thread is all about a muslim man beheading his wife; are you claiming this is due to some injustice that has been perpetrated upon him, or that the economic crises (which we are all suffering) was a contributing factor here?

Feb 17, 2009 - 8:36 am 146. The Gentile:

JFP,

I’ve been reading a lot about Islam for the past 5 years. You are correct, and your detractors are, quite simply, WRONG!!

Muslims have a indisputable, centuries-old track record of mistreating women in Sharia controlled countries. Even if not written in the Koran, it is clearly supported in the hadiths and their other religous-type texts.

Feb 17, 2009 - 9:11 am 147. Annie:

This is a terrible story. I first found this on the Drudge Report-none of the MSM seem to be covering it. What do you think the MSM is thinking? That if they ignore this sort of thing, it will go away? The other thing I can’t understand is why this guy was only charged with second degree murder. Why not first-degree?

It doesn’t appear that any of the Muslim countries is first-rate, and I think this attitude toward women is one of the reasons. From what I’ve read, the best predictor of a person’s intelligence is the education level and intelligence of the person’s mother. If women are treated in this abominable way, no wonder these countries have oil wealth and little else to recommend them. Then look at Israel, where women are educated, and look at the human capital there. It’s a startling comparison.

Feb 17, 2009 - 11:47 am 148. Oscar the Grump:

I woke up this morning to hear on the morning news, “Another beheading.” Does anyone have any information about this?

Feb 17, 2009 - 11:54 am 149. Jaladhi:

#147, Annie:

You are right. Our MSM does not wish to report on stories that will offend Muslims, their favorite group.

I think this country’s MSM is most dishonest and gutless group of people who would rather lie than tell the truth in the name of “political correctness”.

Again this guy was not charged with first degree murder because our law-enforcement is cluesless when it comes to Islam/Muslims and it is totally subdued by our politicians who kowtow to Muslims.

This is why the honor killings by Muslims go unreported by MSM or are buried on the last page at the bottom in fine print so that nobody can read it!!!

Honest journalism is dead in America and the West(for that matter it is dead throughout the world, especially in countries where Muslims also live.

Feb 17, 2009 - 12:39 pm 150. ERS:

Oscar, thanks for the link. Ms. Hirsi Ali is always outspoken, despite the risk to her personal safety.

Still Bill, I’m hoping the prosecution and the punishment go the other way. More, not less, severe. Time will tell. . .

Meantime, Ms. Marcia Pappas of NOW-NY put out a press release yesterday and posted it to my blog:

http://www.redroom.com/blog/ellen-r-sheeley/beheading-orchard-park-ny-another-american-dishonor-killing

I noticed she was quoted in today’s “Buffalo News”:

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/581540.html

Feb 17, 2009 - 12:39 pm 151. Kay:

It never ceases to amaze me how much Islamic extremists fear women.

Feb 17, 2009 - 1:25 pm 152. Jaladhi:

# 151: “It never ceases to amaze me how much Islamic extremists fear women.”

Not just “extremists” but all Muslims!!! This guy was a “moderate” according to MSM. Of course there no moderates – it’s an oxymoron.

Feb 17, 2009 - 1:49 pm 153. Thomas:

@Bilgeman

I would like to see your counteneance when according to Sharia law they cut out your tongue, crush your legs and the like.
I wager 1:1000 you would stop pontificating your pious craps that sounds like a drunk priest turned peacenik.
If only that Polish guy who was beheaded last week knew you and your sanctimonious spirituality and piety….
Do you know that you sound like an abject id***t?

Feb 17, 2009 - 1:58 pm 154. Annie:

I always wonder why Muslims hate girls and women so much.

Feb 17, 2009 - 2:18 pm 155. Chesler Chronicles » Cold, Premeditated, Ritual Murder. The Honor Killing of Aasiya Z. Hassan. Part Two:

[...] Aasiya Z. Hassan the victim of an honor murder or was this simply a form of domestic violence? Did her husband kill [...]

Feb 17, 2009 - 2:45 pm 156. OmegaPaladin:

A note:

Please be wary of the Taqiyya Trap. If you begin assuming that Everything a Muslim Says Is A Lie, you open the door to madness. The logical implication is that it is impossible to tell a Muslim from a non-Muslim. After all, the “non-Muslim” could just be practicing Taqiyya. Anyone you know could be a secret Muslim! Combine that with a belief in the malevolence of Islam, and you have a problem of serious paranoia.

Also, I would expect that someone who believes in the malevolence of all Islam would be opposed to the Iraq war. “Why should our soldiers die for followers of EVIL Islam?” I don’t agree with this position, but it seems to follow from the stated principles.

Please. Let’s focus on the low hanging fruit of terror apologists and open sharia supporters. It’s not like there is a lack of Islamic Supremacists keeping us busy defending Western civilization…

Feb 17, 2009 - 2:51 pm 157. deguello:

Many Moslems only want to get a head!

Feb 17, 2009 - 3:05 pm 158. Bilgeman:

#153 Thomas:
“I would like to see your counteneance when according to Sharia law they cut out your tongue, crush your legs and the like.”

Yes, I bet you would. And y’know what? If you indulge yourself in the chauvinistic and deeply offensive, (though childishly self-satisfying), ritual of critiquing the doctrines of an entire faith with billions of adherents, you might just get your wish.

Your tactics are counter-productive, see?

Islam is this and Islam is that, and Mohammed was Satan and blah-blah-blah.

Newsflash, ace. Islam, as practiced by the Wahhabists and other fundamentalists, is not compatible with Western liberal democracy.

Do you think you’ve divined some deep truth that has escaped everyone else?

In three words: No Shit Sherlock.

So what do we do about it? Nuke ‘em all?
How ’bout starting with the ones that live on YOUR block?

“I wager 1:1000 you would stop pontificating your pious craps that sounds like a drunk priest turned peacenik.”

I can, and I have, alone walked the streets of nations that were under Shariah law, as well as other Muslim nations that were not.
So what I “pontificate” about is gleaned from boots-on-the-ground experience, over decades, not pie-in-the-sky academic theory.
It’s a matter of appealing to peoples’ better natures.
I guess that’s a little too difficult for a mind like yours that prefers only to see things in primary colors…like a cartoon.

“Do you know that you sound like an abject id***t?”

For what it’s worth, you sound like a nerdy terrified wuss making punk-ass anonymous “tough guy” talk.

I’m talking about a strategy for our cultural victory, you seem to just be looking for a bitch-fight.

Feb 17, 2009 - 3:10 pm 159. deguello:

Thomas, How refreshing!a bloodthirsty muslim tumor who actually admits his desire to watch torture and mayhem. So delighted to have you living in the west!BTW,have you had your rabies shots?

Feb 17, 2009 - 3:48 pm 160. deguello:

FROM AL WAZEERA : Children have you beheade your mothers yet? (public service announcement!

Feb 17, 2009 - 3:49 pm 161. deguello:

Beheaded in Buffalo? Sounds like a great title for a moderate muslim chick flick;remember “Sleepless in Seattle”! call Larry David!

Feb 17, 2009 - 3:51 pm 162. deguello:

Mel Brooks could be the husband,and Jeanine Garofalo,can play the wife,yes, I know, that would make beheading acceptable, but we are all multiculturalists now aren’t we?oh yeah, Oliver Stoine could direct it,and Pinch Sulzberger could play the token Dhimni.What do you all think?

Feb 17, 2009 - 3:59 pm 163. Cybergeezer:

This is your brain on Islam; Any questions?

Feb 17, 2009 - 4:40 pm 164. DLS:

Is there really a need to DISCUSS this? Gee, what was he FEELING? It just shows that deprivation is not the heart of violent Islam.

Feb 17, 2009 - 7:01 pm 165. jh:

Lookit- the story is that the investigation is a farce. The murder weapon has not been found and the crime scene isn’t secured and the murder suspect is only looking at 2nd degree murder. She was under an order of protection. NOT a restraining order. I live near the business and you can see for yourself nobody has even walked around the builing (snow on the ground and it hasn’t snowed again for more than a week) This is the first beheading in the U.S. and no one is particularily impressed by that. I for one am not numb, this is my town, my family has been here for more than 100 years and this murder should be prosecuted as first degree. Because it is. If that is not possible the names of the people who screwed up this investigation, and failed to protect her should be known. Also they should explain why the existing laws were not enforced and tell the Muslim women where they can safely relocate themselves and their kids. Otherwise the message is first to Muslim women: shut up, take the beatings and stay a slave. Then the same message is for us.

Feb 17, 2009 - 7:14 pm 166. Thomas:

@deguello
You are off darling. I learned the trade from the post of #127. Knights13 and I am now a good tongue-trimmer: all I need is a sharp blade. May I practice my new skill on you?

“Bilgeman” is the dedicated effendi of the Umma who thinks genital mutilation and beheading is natural act since not evereybody is beheading everybody therefore we are only badmouthing Islam.
His pious eloquence with which promotes all the virtues and great achievements of Mohamed – praise be upon him – is deeply moving – Allah akhbar. He dare to stroll among the true belivers and still unhurt, Inshallah! this proves that Islam is the Religion of Peace.

I am a kafir infidel, I will end up in Hades once I cross the river Styx with Charon, hopefully with my head on my neck intact.

Feb 17, 2009 - 8:01 pm 167. Knights13:

“Knights13 and I am now a good tongue-trimmer: all I need is a sharp blade. May I practice my new skill on you?”

At your own peril.

Feb 17, 2009 - 9:55 pm 168. Techops:

All I can say is – anyone who takes seriously the demented utterances of a paedophillic schizorephenic in florid bicameral episodes, and uses it as the basis of a narcissistic creed, could only be bone from the neck up.

Feb 17, 2009 - 10:27 pm 169. kate Benson:

I find it hard to believe that the main media is focusing on such crap as the ‘octomom’ (who is just plain nutty) and has virtually nothing to say if it involves the insiduous religious nut cases. I guess it is not politically correct to criticise the slow but relentless intimidation of western countries by fundimental muslims who would like to impose sharia law and take over our cultural thinking of separation of religion and state

Feb 17, 2009 - 10:31 pm 170. Norbert Schnitzler:

Hallo,

I am from Germany, where recently Morsal Obeidi from Afghanistan was killed in Hamburg by her brother. It was a honor killing. What happened in Buffalo, was only a marital murder. In Germany we use the term “honor killing” (”Ehrenmord”) only when family members (brothers, parents) murder but not if the spouse murders. Because there are other reasons. “Honor killing” is if the honor of the family from which the woman comes looks damaged for them.

The murder in Buffalo was so little “honor killing” as the murder of Nicole Brown, the former partner of O.J.Simpson. Of course the mentality is the problem. However, the attitude in the U.S. seems to be different than in Central Europe. When I see movies in which adultery occurs, french movies are often a comedy but american movies are crime movies, even without Muslims.

Feb 17, 2009 - 10:36 pm 171. scinsak:

http://www.religiondispatches.org/blog/oped/1123/domestic_violence_has_nothing_to_do_with_religion/

Feb 17, 2009 - 11:07 pm 172. scinsak:

http://www.religiondispatches.org/blog/oped/1123/domestic_violence_has_nothing_to_do_with_religion/

please read this article before talking another further

Feb 17, 2009 - 11:09 pm 173. Mik:

At present, he has been charged with the crime. He has not been convicted.
For all we know, it may have been done to foment hate against Muslims. It is eerie that first a woman whose husband was killed in the 9/11 WTC event just died in a plane crash in Buffalo—following her meeting with other individuals who lost family that day and President Obama. Is it possible that these are CIA created “events” to send Obama a message to stay away from investigating the 9/11 Commission findings, and at the same time direct more public hatred against Muslims. It wouldn’t surprise me. There are lots of rogue military, CIA , and FBI agents still working within our government. I say this because no intelligent person can read the dissenting material about the 9/11 Report, and not suspect US government involvement. Steel structure buildings do not collapse like that, unless they have been pre-wired with internal explosives. I hope a real investigation happens, and they all go to prison for life.

Feb 17, 2009 - 11:33 pm 174. Bilgeman:

#166 Thomas:
““Bilgeman” is the dedicated effendi of the Umma”

Gee,,,maybe I should get business cards printed up,(if they’d pay me).
“Bilgeman-Effendi of the Ummah,(Profits Be Upon Him)”

“…who thinks genital mutilation and beheading is natural act since not evereybody is beheading everybody therefore we are only badmouthing Islam.”

You ARE badmouthing Islam, and you’re being grossly unjust to the billions of muslims who would no more wish to cut off any parts from you than buy your used car.

As for genital mutilation…would you be circumcised?
Funny how everyone gets up in arms over the barbarous act of FEMALE genital mutilation, but no-one much gives a hoot about amputating infant boys’ foreskins, which IMO is equally barbarous unless medically necessary. I guess the difference is that male circumcision is rather widely practiced in the West.

You wish to talk about beheadings? Have you ever heard of the Guillotine? A French invention employed by them,(and the Nazi Germans),for political and criminal beheadings. Worked so well and so quickly that folks who gakked it that way were still conscious and their mouths still praying when their nuggets were shown to the crowds.

“He dare to stroll among the true belivers and still unhurt, Inshallah! this proves that Islam is the Religion of Peace.”

It proves that not all Muslims are bloodthirsty a**holes ready to slaughter all non-Muslims because some pedestrian desert beggar 1400 years ago wiped out an entire town or two.

Y’know, Thomas, we, (and I include myself in this), keep wanting moderate Muslims to pipe up to condemn and shout down the Islamist and Juihadist pig-f*ckers for their hideous actions.
Did it ever occur to you that those moderates might be emboldened when they read moderate Christians reproving our own bloodthirsty booger-eaters?

“I am a kafir infidel, I will end up in Hades once I cross the river Styx with Charon, hopefully with my head on my neck intact.”

Whatever the mechanism it is that sends you there, you likely WILL arrive at that destination.
The Christ taught us to hate the sin, not the sinner.
So. yes, you are indeed Godless…not only from Islam, but also from Chritianity.

It’s sad that in your ignorant pride, you would not only condemn an entire people, and promote religious warfare of the most horrific kind, but that you’d also make it supremely difficult for billions of people to come to Jesus.

Save your hate and your violence only for those who hate and would do violence upon us.

Your attitude is the best recruiting tool Al Qaeda could ask for, you dummy.

Feb 18, 2009 - 4:31 am 175. Updated: Beheaded in Buffalo: The Honor Killing of Asiya Z. Hassan (Parts 1 and 2) | Ft. Hard Knox:

[...] Aasiya Z. Hassan the victim of an honor murder or was this simply a form of domestic violence? Did her husband kill [...]

Feb 18, 2009 - 7:09 am 176. Thomas:

@Bilgeman
Nobody talks about male circumcision – which is ALSO part of your beloved Jihadist’s ritual – because it doesn’t impede sexual functions and there is no implicit intention to render a person crippled or disabled. Conversely the FEMALE clitoridectomy sole purpose is just that.
Are you an educated man or got your diploma from a MADRASSA?

Again I ask you: are you educated in Western type schools or by the Taliban in the caves?
To equate the legal executions by Guillotine with Abdullah beheading an infidel or a Polish worker or his wife out of rage is so absurd that one’s hair is rising in astonishment.

Do you really think that the rejection of 7th. century barbarism is recruiting tool for al-Queda or you just releasing sloganeering hot air like an idling steam engine at the train station?
Resiting Evil will create more Evil? So just submit – Inshallah -
to the 12.th hidden imam – praise be upon him – to win over Ali Baba of Buffalo N.Y.?

Have you ever tried to preach your piety in Jidda or Peshawar…?
(La Tunisie Francaise c’est tout á fait différente!) Sure Tunis is peaceful place:

Google: “Court Sentences German to 18 Years for Tunisian Attack
A Paris court has sentenced a German Al-Qaeda militant to 18 years in prison for … on a Tunisian holiday island seven years ago that killed 21 people.”

Feb 18, 2009 - 8:30 am 177. A Clear Contrast in World Views: Clinton promotes US openness to new ideas vs. another Muslim honour killing:

[...] http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/02/14/

Feb 18, 2009 - 8:54 am 178. Bilgeman:

#176 Thomas:
“Do you really think that the rejection of 7th. century barbarism is recruiting tool for al-Queda or you just releasing sloganeering hot air like an idling steam engine at the train station?”

Oh, is that all that’s being done? Rejecting 7th century Arabian peninsula cultural barbarism?

Because it sure sounds like “All Muslims are Evil” to me.

The trick is to get the MUSLIMS to reject their 7th century barbarism.
You can help this by publicly rejecting your own “Kill them all, for God will know his own”, 13th century barbarism, (google the Cathar Heresy or the Massacre of Beziers).

WHOGAS if you reject 7th century Arabian barbary? As far as I know, that’s not a part of YOUR cultural baggage.

“Sure Tunis is peaceful place.”

One apparently anti-semitic suicide bombing back in 2002 on German-infested Djerba…and since then?

Compared to Israel or Lebanon? Tunisia seems pretty quiet.

“Are you an educated man or got your diploma from a MADRASSA?”

No, I am completely innocent of the benefits of any form of education, although I must admit, judging from the product of what many colleges and universities produce, I might prefer a madrassa, if for nothing else the development of rote memorization skills.

Memorizing the Koran would be no small feat, and that discipline might be useful in other endeavors…tax season comes to mind.

As opposed to matriculating to “Genius U.” on a student loan,partial scholarship,and parental second mortgage and then supporting Barack Obama so that my Marxist professors don’t fail me, and then expecting to graduate with a Liberal Arts degree and get a job that pays enough to keep ahead of Obamaflation, taxes, and to repay those loans…AND leave me enough to pay rent and eat on.

Manifestly, education just ain’t all it’s cracked up to be…

In fact, standing on your sheepskin is usually the last resort of a loser and an incompetent.

Feb 18, 2009 - 9:29 am 179. deguello:

Thomas:re:166 You are going to cut my tongue off because you disagree with my views? How moderate Islam of you;it’ll be your kinife vs my kalashnikov.Apropos of your mentioning malecircumcision:are you aware that your mohel didn’t stop at your groin, he kept going,(blind sheik perhaps?) and also got your brain? That would explain why you are such a d**ckhead! Salaam!

Feb 18, 2009 - 9:48 am 180. hawkeye:

i really do not care if im pc or not. and i will be willing to pay for my crime. if anyone comes to my little american town, and does such things, i will drag them into the forest by thier beards, and let my 870 remington have a few words with them

Feb 18, 2009 - 12:24 pm 181. Thomas:

@deguello
Sir, I didn’t say “am going to…” I politely asked you “may I practice my new skill?…” it was fascinating to see our poster “Knights13″ ’s link to Saddam’s torture videos but I didn’t like the limb crushing…it was too brutal.
The tongue cutting was very nice Islamic skill however: a short hisssss sound and the guy cannot talk back anymore. How quaint!- aren’t you impressed? Who is my “mohel”?

@Bilgeman
I am from Eastern Europe, I am a barbarian, we kicked out the Marxist scumbags 20 years ago and all of them now became US citizen and college professors and teachers of the Kenyan Messiah.

You have to deal with them because we already did our best: stopped your beloved Jihadist at Vienna and my best buddy, Vlad Tepes (Drakula, Vlad the Impaler) fixed upon a sharpened stake most of the Janissaries of the Effendi.

Please update us dummies, how your conversion of 1 billion Muslim is progressing and don’t forget to take good care of your precious head for you might lose it inadvertently. Don’t go to Detroit!
It would be a great loss to humanity and to the Pajama People.

Feb 18, 2009 - 12:35 pm 182. Bilgeman:

#179 deguello:

“Apropos of your mentioning malecircumcision:are you aware that your mohel didn’t stop at your groin, he kept going,(blind sheik perhaps?) and also got your brain? That would explain why you are such a d**ckhead!”

BACK OFF deguello!

I AM the “Effendi of the Ummah!”

” How moderate Islam of you;it’ll be your kinife vs my kalashnikov.”

You may be my “Deputy Effendi of the Ummah”

(Pay sucks but the hours can’t be beat!)

Feb 18, 2009 - 12:38 pm 183. whyyeseyec:

I`m aure this man`s lawyer will say he had a rotten childhood and his wife made him do it or America is a racist country.

Face it, the American media is afraid to call out the muslim religion because they are scared to have the same thing happen to them as happened to Theo Van Gogh. Same with our Fed government.

Feb 18, 2009 - 2:28 pm 184. lonegunwoman:

Wow. There are a lot of ignorant people here.

This effort is likely a waste of time but I will try anyway.

Domestic violence resulting in homicide is NOT unique to “Islamic culture”.

Approximately 33% of ALL female murder victims IN THIS COUNTRY were killed by an “intimate”(boyfriend or husband). Considering the fact that Muslims (male AND female) compromise less than 2% of the U.S. population; clearly Muslim men aren’t the only ones killing their significant others.

I guess the person who wondered why any woman would choose to belong to a religion that treats her like a second class citizen isn’t Christian. I don’t claim to be a comparative religion scholar, but I DO know that the Bible is highly misogynistic, instructing women to be “submissive”, referring to menstruating women as “unpure”, “godly” men offering daughters to be raped, and commanding its adherents to commit infanticide and genocide.

Feb 18, 2009 - 4:13 pm 185. Frank:

This does not need to be politicized as some posters comments are aimed at Liberals. This is an American and Global problem than needs to be addressed. Islam is far more radical than other religions and belongs pre-middle ages. Having lived many places and gone to school in many different colleges I have known many Muslims and have never once met one who did not hate America. Republicans think mexican immigrants are the problem…think again.

Feb 18, 2009 - 4:58 pm 186. Bilgeman:

#181 Thomas:
“I am from Eastern Europe,”

Well, that ’splains a lot.

“I am a barbarian”

Probably not, but you sound like you’d LIKE to be.

“we kicked out the Marxist scumbags 20 years ago and all of them now became US citizen and college professors and teachers of the Kenyan Messiah.”

Gee, thanks…and we should listen to another Eastern European now exactly why?

“Please update us dummies, how your conversion of 1 billion Muslim is progressing”

Judging by your little Serbian.Muslim tiff in South Eastern Europe about ten years ago?

Better’n YOURS, ace.

“don’t forget to take good care of your precious head for you might lose it inadvertently. Don’t go to Detroit!”

There are many, many reasons that I would not voluntarily go to Detroit.
It’s Muslim population isn’t one of those reasons.

Feb 18, 2009 - 7:20 pm 187. Thomas:

@lonegunwoman

The gist of the story goes beyond the simple domestic violence issue what you try to suggest.
Have you ever tried to behold the wider world without your blinders?
Ever since the Web opened up the the Islamic word we see with unmitigated horror the blood curdling brutality of the Muslims daily life. Videos of body mutilations, Sharia punishments meted out to innocents, stoning, amputations, hanging by industrial cranes, carving out eyeballs, clit removal…. – and the infamous beheading: severed heads held aloft in front of the camera like an animal trophy.

The fear from the eventual spread of these Islamic ritual customs in America that alarms normal people because in the name of “multiculturalism” the Neo-Marxist Liberals brush aside this filth in the name of their Utopian frenzy to re-engineer our society.

What we see in this domestic murder is the Islamic cultural manifestation on our land and this is what we fear most.

Feb 18, 2009 - 7:23 pm 188. AmericanMom:

All of you who use the term “honor killing” have made another Aasiya more possible. You have joined those Muslims who hide their heads in the sand and deny domestic violence exists in our community, just as any other community. As a Muslim woman, who found out that Islam gave me the right to divorce and leave my abusive husband, I am so grateful that voices like the ones on this site are on the fringe of the media and of public thought. You’ve even given a glamorous name and motive to kill for “honor” rather than seeing it as the cowardly act of abuse that it is.

Feb 19, 2009 - 1:35 am 189. Bilgeman:

#188 AmericanMom:

“You’ve even given a glamorous name and motive to kill for “honor” rather than seeing it as the cowardly act of abuse that it is.”

‘Zactly so…well said. If some blood-spattered goober claims that his crimes were “permissible under Islam”, that does NOT mean that I have to affirm the claim.

Lo and behold…there ARE Imams who are condemning Hassan’s alleged acts.

If people would ratchet down their own rantings, they might actually hear them.

Feb 19, 2009 - 6:58 am 190. Mark:

Murderous monkey ends up on top of beheaded woman

Check the screenshots of Google News news counts!

Feb 19, 2009 - 9:29 am 191. Angela:

Right. And no American white guy has EVER abused or killed his parter, right? Male violence against women is just that – MALE violence against women. This is about stupid, oppressive men who look at women like property…and that, is not restricted to religion race.

Feb 19, 2009 - 12:42 pm 192. Chesler Chronicles » Barbaric Murders Are Associated with Islam, Yes, even in Buffalo.:

[...] I am not talking about Aasiya Z. Hassan in Buffalo. I am talking about the 1999 St. Clairsville, Ohio case of Dr. Lubaina Bhatti [...]

Feb 19, 2009 - 2:41 pm 193. Oscar the Grump:

Lonegunwoman
What caliber?

Feb 19, 2009 - 6:05 pm 194. Phyllis Chesler examines another US honour killing. | Vlad Tepes:

[...] I am not talking about Aasiya Z. Hassan in Buffalo. I am talking about the 1999 St. Clairsville, Ohio case of Dr. Lubaina Bhatti [...]

Feb 20, 2009 - 12:21 pm 195. Amber:

this was no honor killing! it was domestic abuse gone too far. stop giving muslims a bad name for the few crazy people that are in every religion.

Feb 21, 2009 - 1:09 pm 196. Paul -Indiana:

re #184.
==
There are people of other religions who have murdered their mates or lovers. However, the concept of regaining family ‘honor’ is the sole province of the Muslims. In all other religions and cultures a murder is reprehensible and is not a bragging point.

Feb 23, 2009 - 2:52 pm 197. madiha:

you might want to see the video for your paper/report on domestic violance in specific among muslim communities.

Feb 24, 2009 - 9:34 am 198. etarv:

I am a college student taking anthropology. The study of different groups of culture and how thngs are done differently in places all over the world. This class has become an eye opener for me. I know that us on the outside looking in we’re saying how could he do this? But in all actuality this is the way for him that things should be done. Having your own opinion is not objected but it’s your opinion on how you think things should be done. Everyone is raised differently even here in the US. Each family has there own way of doing things. And I say who are we to judge the practices of another group? We have no right that’s seems to be the problem with Americans we are quick to judge based on what we believe and not based on how the others in our society were raised to believe instead we take away from who people are and try to convert them to our way of thinking. My opinion how can someone believe that beheading his wife is honor?? But that’s what he was raised to believe. His wife was to remain miserable and beaten but not leave her husband because that’s how they were raised. If they would have been in their native country she would never have attempted to get a divorce because obviously this is something that is frowned upon. My heart goes out to her because she lost her life, but she honestly knew that this might happen no matter if she is in the US or not. Just because people come over to this country it doesn’t mean that there beliefs and pratices go out the window and this is a prime example of it.

Feb 26, 2009 - 1:19 pm 199. NSMC:

etarv – by your logic, then, we should have never gotten rid of slavery either, should we? that’s just how things were done in our society back then. why did we stop? in fact, according to your logic, what is the point of international human rights at all? what is the point of the u.n.? why end world war ii? the holocaust was just the way it was in germany – just what Hilter believed, so why end it? why not simply respect germany’s beliefs?

and anyway, the point is that this couple was living in the u.s. – OUR SOCIETY. therefore anyone who lives here must abide by our society’s rules and customs. i assure you if you moved to a muslim country they wouldn’t be so tolerant of your american beliefs.

this type of multiculturalist mentality is exactly what gets us in to trouble and our young people are learning it all over academia. please save the schools!!

Feb 27, 2009 - 4:52 pm 200. Ayesha:

Clearly this man is ill minded and deserves to be punished. He misinterpreted the Quran. He, in my eyes, is an infidel. It clearly states in the Quran that unjust killing of one man (or woman) means the killing of the whole mankind. Yes, he very much deserves to be punished. But this is NOT part of Islam. Killing and beheading a woman for filing a divorce or “order of protection” is NOT part of our religion.

How the media attacks Muslims for there wrongdoings is atrocious. Yes the man killed his wife, but why linger on the fact that he is muslim? How many other people of different religions abuse thier wives and children? Isn’t that just as bad? Yes their are extremists in Islam, and they surely will be punished. But this negative attitude that builds prejudice and racism towards Muslims is wrong. Land of the brave, Home of the free??? There is no bravery in what is happening.

Thousands of innocent people were killed in Gaza, did America do anything? NO. So please, next time (hopefully there never will be) focus on the story and not the religion.

Feb 27, 2009 - 7:26 pm 201. Michele:

I can’t understand how anyone can try to justify what this man did to his wife. HE BEHEADED HER!!! Like, she was nothing more than property. I don’t care how much you think this woman offended your honor but deigning to divorce you, it is not okay to take off her head. This guy is a moderate muslim??? There is nothing moderate about beheading someone. This man should be thankful that New York has suspended the death penalty. Auburn would love to have him.

Feb 28, 2009 - 10:36 pm 202. Chesler Chronicles » A Civilized Dialogue About Islam and Honor Killing. When Feminist Heroes Disagree.:

[...] February 14, 2009, I published my first piece about the Buffalo beheading. On February 16, 2009, Middle East Quarterly (MEQ) published my study “Are Honor Killings [...]

Mar 2, 2009 - 4:04 pm 203. A Civilized Dialogue About Islam and Honor Killing. When Feminist Heroes Disagree. « ACT Northern Virginia/Richmond/DC Metro Chapter. Dedicated to the Defense of our freedom from Islamic Ideology.:

[...] February 14, 2009, I published my first piece about the [1] Buffalo beheading. On February 16, 2009, [2] Middle East Quarterly (MEQ) published my study “Are Honor Killings [...]

Mar 3, 2009 - 10:47 am 204. Save Women Now :: Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.):

[...] When a successful American Muslim who leads a television station designed to promote “moderate Islam” beheads his wife, we are still told to ignore the pervasive threat of Islamic supremacism against women. We are asked to believe that “honor killings” are the result of poverty and ignorance, when such an educated, powerful, assimilated role model for Muslims in America beheads his wife. [...]

Mar 5, 2009 - 4:32 pm 205. Save Women Now | Faith Freedom International:

[...] When a successful American Muslim who leads a television station designed to promote “moderate Islam” beheads his wife, we are still told to ignore the pervasive threat of Islamic supremacism against women. We are asked to believe that “honor killings” are the result of poverty and ignorance, when such an educated, powerful, assimilated role model for Muslims in America beheads his wife. [...]

Mar 6, 2009 - 11:09 pm 206. Save Women Now:

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Mar 7, 2009 - 8:51 pm 207. Save Women Now « Islamophobes United:

[...] When a successful American Muslim who leads a television station designed to promote “moderate Islam” beheads his wife, we are still told to ignore the pervasive threat of Islamic supremacism against women. We are asked to believe that “honor killings” are the result of poverty and ignorance, when such an educated, powerful, assimilated role model for Muslims in America beheads his wife. [...]

Mar 8, 2009 - 1:47 pm 208. Chesler Chronicles » Brother on Trial for Killing Sister in Ottawa: Guess Where He’s Originally From:

[...] are we to understand honor killings in Canada and in the United States, in Ottawa, Henrietta, and Buffalo, where, in 2009, long time Pakistani immigrant, Muzammil Hassan, beheaded his wife [...]

May 8, 2009 - 12:08 pm 209. Mary:

I live in Buffalo, NY and the news of this story shocked us all. It is disgusting, there is no “honor” in killing or beating anyone for any reason what-so-ever. These disgusting uncivilized men that beat and murder their wives, daughters and sisters need an even bigger man beating on them, this is America not Egypt or Iraq, I dont care where you come from or what God you pray too it is illegal and they all should rot in a prison cell.

Sep 2, 2009 - 4:11 pm 210. Geert Wilders’ Fight – by Veronique Chemla | FrontPage Magazine:

[...] founder Muzzammil Hassan beheaded his wife, Aasiya Z. Hassan. He is suspected to have committed an honor killing. Dozens of women are murdered in honor killings every year in Sharia-ruled Chechnya; that is [...]

Oct 17, 2009 - 11:09 pm

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