Chesler Chronicles

March 13th, 2009 10:15 am

Exiling Islamic Terrorists, Leaving Islam Behind: Two Solutions and Counting.

It might be the midnight hour but all is not yet lost, the British government has, amazingly, just done the right thing: They have denied a visa to radical terrorist, Ibrahim el-Moussawi, Hizbollah’s and Iran’s representative on earth, stationed in Lebanon. This is the man whom Douglas Murray, the Director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, had vowed to have deported were he to have been allowed to speak at the London School of Economics and Appeasement, a venue from which Murray himself had once been banned.

According to today’s Daily Mail, Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, finally concluded that el-Moussawi’s presence would not be “conducive to the public good.”

I’ll say.

Credit goes to Douglas Murray for having threatened the lawsuit which has, clearly, been successful. (Hat tip to Barry Rubin for asking me to confirm this). You may read Murray’s press release HERE

Of course, if the British also keep denying visas to or, more shamefully, deporting, men like Dutch parliamentarian, Geert Wilders, little will be gained by such false equality. Wilders is sounding the alarm, el-Moussawi is the problem. Murray states: “It is perverse that the government ever considered barring Wilders from entering Britain and even more perverse that they ever considered allowing Hezbollah in.”

My British informant says it best: “I did not think my country would have the courage to ban this bandit.”

Thus, exiling or banning terrorists from our midst is one solution. There are other, more radical solutions.

Just today, Amil Imani wrote and urged me to read his latest article which I have now done. Imani is appealing to “cultural Muslims” by which he means “moderate” or “good” Muslims who, by definition, are not jihadists. He writes:

“The real Muslims are the jihadists, a small minority who lives and dies by the dictates of the Quran and the Sunna, the life examples of Muhammad. The free world, rightfully alarmed by ever-varied and escalating assaults of the jihadists, myopically has directed its tentative and haphazard effort at countering them, believing that by so doing it can eliminate their threat and at the same time remain on good terms of live-and-let-live multiculturalism with the Cultural Muslims. This is a dangerous assumption that, if not abandoned, will likely culminate in an Armageddon-kind of conflagration.

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21 Comments

1. George Jochnowitz:

Roughly three centuries ago, Christians stopped esecuting witches, despite the fact that Exodus 22:18 commands us to do so. Roughly 17 centuries ago, the Talmud introduced laws of evidence making it impossible to execute witches, adulterers, and gluttons, in effect nullifying Biblical commandments. I don’t know what would work nowadays as far as Sharia is concerned, but I wonder whether making “a clean break with Islam” is the way to go about it. It is the most honest way, and in general, honsety is the best policy. On the other hand, Christianity and Judaism turned into very different religions without realizing that this was happening.

Mar 13, 2009 - 11:20 am 2. Kathy Shaidle:

I don’t have high hopes for England, but between this, and the outrage over the radical Muslims who jeered returning British soldiers, maybe there is a change coming. I am pessimistic.

Mar 13, 2009 - 11:26 am 3. pajama mama:

The notion of “moderate moslems” denies the reality as does the misnomer “radical moslems”. The facts are the only radical moslems are those who refute Islam in all its manifestations. Islam by definition is based on jihad, conquest of the infidel through conversions brought into place by the sword, and enslavement or dhimmitude for non-Moslems who survive the onslaught.

The media, the press, the do-gooders, as do Socialist, sycophant governments misrepresents and mislead the public through the use of misnomers. One quickly coming to mind is the reference “radical muslims” as though Islam terrorists, those States sponsoring them are marginal! Are a corruption of Islam! In fact, quite the opposite is true.

The incitement against Jews, Christians – pt. of fact all non-Moslems is called for in Islamic ideology to which all good moslems must adhere as such to the letter! “Radicalism” – “militant islam” is hardly the fluke or aberration such misnomers and disinformation leads people to believe. Jihad is the mainstay of Islam and as such enforces its dictate of holy war against infidels on every adherent of Islam. Punishing severely those who diverge from its path!

The only radicals and as such few and far between are those risking life and limb in any refuting of Islamic dictat! Further – since one of the dictates of Islam is to always fool the infidel, use whatever means it takes to infiltrate, indoctrinate, subjugate to Islam’s will – to overtake non-Moslem lands and never to speak truth to a non-Moslem – it bears keeping in mind when engaging in discourse with Moslems there may very well be an agenda other than the one represented.

Its truly a minefield out there – and negotiating it takes knowledge, intelligence, independent thinking, and awareness of the ways of an enemy that hides, obfuscates, circumvents the truth using democracy infiltrating all its infrastructure to destroy them.

All dialectic in regards to Islam must be exactly and properly informed as to the facts without which we become complicit in our own destruction.

Mar 13, 2009 - 1:54 pm 4. Pajamas Media » Exiling Islamic Terrorists: A Step in the Right Direction:

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Mar 13, 2009 - 4:37 pm 5. fred:

#3 pajama mama,

I could not have stated it any better than you have. However, I’m afraid that the policy elites in Europe and in my country are quite ignorant of Islamic scripture (Qur’an), traditions (ahadith), and the life and deeds of Muhammad (Sira). They don’t know about taqiyya. Honey is being poured into their ears. This enemy knows the weaknesses of our leaders: pride, intellectual sloth, and greed.

Mar 13, 2009 - 9:29 pm 6. Don:

I am thinking repeal the first amendment and declare war on any religious leader on earth who thinks they can declare death sentences. No more tax free status in the USA, Laws against preaching death to ethnic groups, Jews etc…anything else?

Mar 13, 2009 - 10:20 pm 7. steel pipe:

the British government has, amazingly good

Mar 14, 2009 - 12:17 am 8. pajama mama:

Speaking of a clash of civilizations –

The belief that underpins Islam and informs its destructiveness and disregard for humanity is that going to heaven is contingent on first destroying the world.

The exact opposite to the Judeo/Christian belief that going to heaven is contingent on doing good in the world and to one another!

Mar 14, 2009 - 3:30 am 9. J.J. Sefton:

We are talking about a religion of 1 billion people whose faith is still stuck in roughly the 7th century. It is also a rigid code of conduct and behavior that influences daily life. It never had a Reformation or Enlightenment and as Western civilzation climbed out of the Dark Ages, Islam stagnated. How then, when even its “mainstream” leaders preach the Koranic version of the rapture, will it ever make the great leap forward and abandon its violent, nihilism?

Mar 14, 2009 - 7:03 am 10. fred:

Ten years ago I used to think in exactly the same terms you’ve expressed, viz., that Islam needed to undergo its own Reformation. Then, after I immersed myself in Islamic writings, especially the Qur’an, I cam away with the impression that when you strip away all of the retrograde stuff, which is about 95% of it, there is almost nothing left. At is CORE it is so unlike Christianity. Most of Christianity is utterly unlike Islam. The “Reformation” merely was a revolt against the Catholic Church and its teaching authority. Luther and those after him then wanted to get back to scripture, which was not without its own problems too. Pre-Reformation Christianity was nothing like Islam.

Unfortunately, this is a meme that has taken root in the West. More self flagellation, which fits in very nicely with what the cultural Marxists have been doing for fifty years.

Mar 14, 2009 - 7:34 am 11. Larsen E Whipsnade:

Sooner or later we’ll have to admit that we’ve been fooled: Islam is not a religion, it’s a political system. Once we understand that, then it’ll be a lot easier to manage Islam in our midst.

Mar 14, 2009 - 10:58 am 12. George Jochnowitz:

Larsen E. Whipsnade,

Political systems repond to needs and pressures. Politics makes strange bedfellows, as everyone knows. Religions are based on faith and are incorruptible. Hamas can’t be bribed with a state. It has to do what it believes is virtuous: to die in a jihad while killing Jews.

As my wife, Carol says, “A person who is up for sale need never be all bad.”

Mar 14, 2009 - 11:14 am 13. David W. Lincoln:

Exile, and if they come back, execution.

After all, it isn’t only about rights, it is
also about responsibility, and government has
an ancient responsibility to protect.

Mar 14, 2009 - 2:52 pm 14. Alfredo:

We must confront this Islam scourge everywhere and every time. Gaubatz’s effort in investigating Islamic organizations in the US and providing troubling information, when it exists, to authorities is to be lauded and we should donate to his effort.

Confront it at work, in social gathering, with families and friends, as they are counting on people’s naivete to expand theirt hate and their Sharia law.

http://dgaubatz.blogspot.com/effort in

Mar 15, 2009 - 7:49 am 15. Camaron:

I’m pessimistic too. It is hard to make a distinction between “radical Islam” and “Islam.” In effect, they are parts of the same monster – one breeds the other. Why would numerous mosques be running “anti-terrorism” programs attempting to persuade “youths” not turning into terrorists if Islam had nothing to do with Jihadism?

What is the answer for the Islamic tsunami? At the present no government has the guts to efficiently deal with the issue; one day we will have a bloody clash of civilizations, I’m afraid. According the
Interpol Secretary General’s report, we are not even trying. We lack both the will and means.

BTW, how do your deport 3 million British Muslims? How do you turn them into Brits? The clock is ticking …

Mar 16, 2009 - 11:02 am 16. blight:

BTW, how do you deport 3 million British Muslims?

You convince them to leave voluntarily by whatever means necessary.

Mar 16, 2009 - 3:08 pm 17. wondering:

To 15 Cameron
Re your statement
“Why would numerous mosques be running “anti-terrorism” programs attempting to persuade “youths” not turning into terrorists if Islam had nothing to do with Jihadism? ”

Have you visited “numerous” mosques speaking and understanding the language spoken in mosques to Islamic adherents?

Have you veted the source/sources to verify such comment? The propensity for duel language – indeed opposite language – depending on who is being addressed is an essential factor when attributing what is said or not in mosques or Islamic interest topics.

See http://jihadwatch.org and familiarize yourself with the educational opportunities provided to Islamic adherents in regards to running “anti-terrorism” programs.”

Mar 16, 2009 - 6:30 pm 18. Al Rassooli (author of “Lifting the Veil: The True Faces of Muhammad and Islam”):

I’m generally most impressed with Phyllis Chesler and always very much enjoy reading her articles. Once again she is making excellent sense and many excellent points here.

There’s just one small but utterly crucial difference of opinion between us on this occasion, however; In her very last sentence she says “I challenge my religious Muslim readers to explain how they can remain Muslims in an era in which jihadists are defining what Islam is”. Perhaps it’ll come as a surprise to many who believe themselves to be Muslims as much as everyone else but Jihad and Islam are inseparable and indivisible! You cannot have one without the other! And by “jihad” I don’t mean some theoretical inner struggle or whatnot – I’m talking about an affront and attack (whether covertly through stealth or all-out violent assault) on all “non-believers” for all time until there are none left! This is a very serious problem and one that should never be ignored or overlooked.

When it comes to Jihad there are essentially three sorts of Muslim;

Those who actively and openly participate in full-on Jihad in all its forms.
Those who pretend not to know anything about it, or pretend not to participate or support it or even selectively misquote the Quran in an attempt to pretend it is even forbidden by Islam (when the exact opposite is, and always has been true – it is required and mandated). There are many Arabic words and terms for this sort of lying and deception (Arabic is my native tongue so I should know). “al-Taqiyya” is a well know one.
Those who genuinely are innocent and either know nothing about what’s going on and wouldn’t condone or support it if they did. I can assure you these people are not “true” Muslims and are not actively practicing the unchanging “faith” handed down to them over the centuries that is in reality a death-cult of extreme violence and hate.

Incidentally if you’ve ever wondered why Muslim women don’t do all in their power to prevent their children from murdering people and dying in the process here’s an interesting movie clip that might enlighten you; they really believe that there is nothing worth living for and only in death (when they go to a fantasy brothel in the sky they call “Paradise”) will they start to enjoy themselves. There’s even something for the mothers – if you watch to the end of the clip you’ll be amazed to find they dream of presiding over their son’s “black-eyed” virgins whom the mothers can treat as servants or slaves! What extraordinarily deluded and twisted people!?

Kind Regards,
Al Rassooli (author of “Lifting the Veil: The True Faces of Muhammad and Islam”)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1434392023 )
[please see also the YouTube Channel http://www.youtube.com/user/AhmadsQuran3 ]

Mar 17, 2009 - 7:38 am 19. Al Rassooli (author of “Lifting the Veil: The True Faces of Muhammad and Islam”):

PS. Sorry but for some reason I missed off the link to that interesting video (showing a mother explaining why she longed to have her many children murder people and die in the processes).

Here it is;

http://www.liveleak.com/e/bc4_1234284944

Kind Regards,
Al Rassooli

Mar 17, 2009 - 7:42 am 20. deguello:

Exile them to New york City,LA,Chicago,etc,they’re not really America,and if they misbehave,the only ones hurt are OVTARDS (Obama voting retards).

Mar 17, 2009 - 2:25 pm 21. john.y:

Here’s an idea for the US: how about a constitutional amendment stating:
“Religious beliefs being a matter for individual conscience and not subject to coercion, the right to leave a religion is absolute and shall not be infringed. Any religious group that enacts threatened or actual sanctions against members if they express a wish to leave the group shall lose its constitutional First Amendment protections, and be considered not a religion, but a criminal organization.”
The great thing about this idea is that it would only affect Islam and a few extremist cults, like Scientology. Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism would be completely unaffected. To those who say “that’s unfair”, I would say, “No, it’s not. It only formalizes legally what has already been understood in America since the founding of the Republic, and Islam threatens to undermine.”
Another benefit is that the automatic re-designation as a criminal organization would allow legal prosecutions of Islamic organizations under the existing RICO statute. No more American Muslims funneling money to Hamas and Hezbollah.

May 2, 2009 - 9:46 am