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		<title>By: deguello</title>
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		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 17:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A girl is nearly murdered for refusing to marry according to her family&#039;s wishes:this is a concrete example of multiculturalism in action.Ain&#039;t diversity grand? The last imbecile in chief:open borders enthusiast,and Vicente Fox lickspittle,called Islam &quot;a religion of peace&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A girl is nearly murdered for refusing to marry according to her family&#8217;s wishes:this is a concrete example of multiculturalism in action.Ain&#8217;t diversity grand? The last imbecile in chief:open borders enthusiast,and Vicente Fox lickspittle,called Islam &#8220;a religion of peace&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Tennwriter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tennwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 16:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be useful to read the famed &#039;Three Contentions&#039; by Belmont Club. They force one to become a neocon, not out of love so much as a desire to avoid worst case scenarios.

The answer to Ms. Chessler&#039;s question?

Conservatism, Christ, and the British Empire.

Let us be Imperialists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be useful to read the famed &#8216;Three Contentions&#8217; by Belmont Club. They force one to become a neocon, not out of love so much as a desire to avoid worst case scenarios.</p>
<p>The answer to Ms. Chessler&#8217;s question?</p>
<p>Conservatism, Christ, and the British Empire.</p>
<p>Let us be Imperialists.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 01:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Jochnowitz, 

Comment #1 (yours) seems to betray you forget this little fact called &quot;Reformation&quot;, that a bunch decided to throw-off the developments of Roman Paganism and &quot;go biblical&quot;, including heavily studying Jewish sources; you also don&#039;t seem to take notice that, historically, educated Christians--that is those who handle Scriptures hermeneutically (we&#039;re talking Rashi type vs. Rabbis here--the subtlest underminer of mystical twisting ever), all humans share in a responsibility for what happened to Christ: a universal sacrifice in terms of hypothetical or potential applicability, though (if we&#039;re being really rigorous with exegesis about it) only particularly (to use a Calvinistic term) atoning in effective application.

That mouthful said, stop patronizing people (comment 26); the anthology known as the &quot;New Testament&quot; is a collection of Jewish writings, need I remind you? And any claimant on Messiah-ship would have to have expected to be cut-off: traditional Judaism both recognizes that no two ultimate Messiahs are presented in the texts from which the two-concept teaching is nevertheless derived (Ben David &amp; Ben Joseph), yet a two-messiah teaching was come-up with, asserted, and continues to be asserted, to this day due to the presentation of Him as both suffering and glorious. The gospels themselves are written as contemporary docs even referring to a Jerusalem pre-fall (and it was a rank liberal who dared actually pay attention to those features and give a pre-70 date); it&#039;s also due to such &quot;liberal heretics&quot; (that is, from the party-line of ignoring source documents and speculating) that have led to an understanding of such things as John being an essentially Jewish book--which should be obvious anyways (talks as Jews yet speaks in a &quot;we vs. them Jews&quot; evidencing the ejection from the synagogues of the time), so drop the shallow Catholic=Christian and &quot;Jesus was for gentiles&quot; delusions, as NT-wise Jesus was for both (two folds into one, and came for the Jews first); it was not only Jews who were the first Christians, but it was Jews who first persecuted Christians; it was Rabbinism that seared perhaps the most violent and putrid of forms of bigotry ever known into the historical Jewish, and the world&#039;s, consience--as is found through the literatrue--and it is a fact we&#039;re all still reeling from, superiorisim and zionism-as-truism criticism=evil (vs. legal, legit, etc.; I&#039;m all for the existence, defense, fortification, and protection of Israel) and &quot;greatness just because of our flesh&quot; (read the prophets and disillusion yourself will you), and myriads other detestable fruits that both subtly and openly constitute major points of the Jewish mind of modernity-despite the majority irreligosity and even atheism combined with the very modernism/liberalism currently striking hard at any hope for the security and maintenance of Israel.

I hate (abor, despise, extremely dislike, loathe) the shallowness going around and some of Judaism&#039;s own superstitious self-protectionist myths: and confronting Rabbis about it their reply is &quot;it&#039;s necessary&quot;, how disgusting. Read, [Pagans] persecuted and, frequently, [murdered], [in both ignorant bigotry as well as from valid repugnance and retribution--though invalid course of action]&quot;: read the NT dude, the same guy who writes the Jews for unbelief are a synagogue of Satan (Shaul/Paul) for rejecting their Messiah is the guy who writes (a) he would go to hell in their stead if he could, and (b) they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. How can history still seriously call what was done from the stark opposite, in rejection of the early Christian message, &quot;Christian&quot;: it would be like a Jew who calls himself a Jew but acts the pagan--he has flesh, but no substance to his claim, while the Scriptures applaud converted whores who act the part: the Scriptures themselves thematically, near-dogmatically, teach a Jew is one inwardly and faithfully, not by just mere blood; &quot;the traitor&quot; (Paul, as a friend put it) actually dares confront his own people about this in the NT, and tells it to the early Christians (Jews and gentiles alike), taking it from Scripture not pulling it out of his butt. That&#039;s nearly always the ominous message of the prophets themselves--paraphrasing, &quot;you fat heads, God will pay you visit (bad) for your faithlessness and scourge and drive you in agony across the earth (that&#039;s Moses--though most Jews don&#039;t even believe His authorship anymore, either) but has left himself a remnant&quot; (&quot;fat heads&quot; is literal idiom: they were quite scatological at times). One of my favorite recent (as in a few years) events in Israel was the president alluding to Scripture calling Israel hard-hearted and thick headed. 

There&#039;s a reason this people is called &quot;Isra&#039;El&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Jochnowitz, </p>
<p>Comment #1 (yours) seems to betray you forget this little fact called &#8220;Reformation&#8221;, that a bunch decided to throw-off the developments of Roman Paganism and &#8220;go biblical&#8221;, including heavily studying Jewish sources; you also don&#8217;t seem to take notice that, historically, educated Christians&#8211;that is those who handle Scriptures hermeneutically (we&#8217;re talking Rashi type vs. Rabbis here&#8211;the subtlest underminer of mystical twisting ever), all humans share in a responsibility for what happened to Christ: a universal sacrifice in terms of hypothetical or potential applicability, though (if we&#8217;re being really rigorous with exegesis about it) only particularly (to use a Calvinistic term) atoning in effective application.</p>
<p>That mouthful said, stop patronizing people (comment 26); the anthology known as the &#8220;New Testament&#8221; is a collection of Jewish writings, need I remind you? And any claimant on Messiah-ship would have to have expected to be cut-off: traditional Judaism both recognizes that no two ultimate Messiahs are presented in the texts from which the two-concept teaching is nevertheless derived (Ben David &amp; Ben Joseph), yet a two-messiah teaching was come-up with, asserted, and continues to be asserted, to this day due to the presentation of Him as both suffering and glorious. The gospels themselves are written as contemporary docs even referring to a Jerusalem pre-fall (and it was a rank liberal who dared actually pay attention to those features and give a pre-70 date); it&#8217;s also due to such &#8220;liberal heretics&#8221; (that is, from the party-line of ignoring source documents and speculating) that have led to an understanding of such things as John being an essentially Jewish book&#8211;which should be obvious anyways (talks as Jews yet speaks in a &#8220;we vs. them Jews&#8221; evidencing the ejection from the synagogues of the time), so drop the shallow Catholic=Christian and &#8220;Jesus was for gentiles&#8221; delusions, as NT-wise Jesus was for both (two folds into one, and came for the Jews first); it was not only Jews who were the first Christians, but it was Jews who first persecuted Christians; it was Rabbinism that seared perhaps the most violent and putrid of forms of bigotry ever known into the historical Jewish, and the world&#8217;s, consience&#8211;as is found through the literatrue&#8211;and it is a fact we&#8217;re all still reeling from, superiorisim and zionism-as-truism criticism=evil (vs. legal, legit, etc.; I&#8217;m all for the existence, defense, fortification, and protection of Israel) and &#8220;greatness just because of our flesh&#8221; (read the prophets and disillusion yourself will you), and myriads other detestable fruits that both subtly and openly constitute major points of the Jewish mind of modernity-despite the majority irreligosity and even atheism combined with the very modernism/liberalism currently striking hard at any hope for the security and maintenance of Israel.</p>
<p>I hate (abor, despise, extremely dislike, loathe) the shallowness going around and some of Judaism&#8217;s own superstitious self-protectionist myths: and confronting Rabbis about it their reply is &#8220;it&#8217;s necessary&#8221;, how disgusting. Read, [Pagans] persecuted and, frequently, [murdered], [in both ignorant bigotry as well as from valid repugnance and retribution--though invalid course of action]&#8220;: read the NT dude, the same guy who writes the Jews for unbelief are a synagogue of Satan (Shaul/Paul) for rejecting their Messiah is the guy who writes (a) he would go to hell in their stead if he could, and (b) they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. How can history still seriously call what was done from the stark opposite, in rejection of the early Christian message, &#8220;Christian&#8221;: it would be like a Jew who calls himself a Jew but acts the pagan&#8211;he has flesh, but no substance to his claim, while the Scriptures applaud converted whores who act the part: the Scriptures themselves thematically, near-dogmatically, teach a Jew is one inwardly and faithfully, not by just mere blood; &#8220;the traitor&#8221; (Paul, as a friend put it) actually dares confront his own people about this in the NT, and tells it to the early Christians (Jews and gentiles alike), taking it from Scripture not pulling it out of his butt. That&#8217;s nearly always the ominous message of the prophets themselves&#8211;paraphrasing, &#8220;you fat heads, God will pay you visit (bad) for your faithlessness and scourge and drive you in agony across the earth (that&#8217;s Moses&#8211;though most Jews don&#8217;t even believe His authorship anymore, either) but has left himself a remnant&#8221; (&#8221;fat heads&#8221; is literal idiom: they were quite scatological at times). One of my favorite recent (as in a few years) events in Israel was the president alluding to Scripture calling Israel hard-hearted and thick headed. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason this people is called &#8220;Isra&#8217;El&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali Sina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali Sina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 18:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chester, 
There is an answer to the question you are asking. These honor killings have nothing to do with culture. They have everything to do with Islam. If we attack Islam and wean Muslims, not just the honor killings will end, but most problems affecting the Muslim world will also be solved. www.faithfreedom.org is dedicated to help Muslims leave Islam and convert brain dead zombies into humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chester,<br />
There is an answer to the question you are asking. These honor killings have nothing to do with culture. They have everything to do with Islam. If we attack Islam and wean Muslims, not just the honor killings will end, but most problems affecting the Muslim world will also be solved. <a href="http://www.faithfreedom.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.faithfreedom.org</a> is dedicated to help Muslims leave Islam and convert brain dead zombies into humans.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MiamaMan I am sorry for you, but you have a good potential to manage another position, you can teach anywhere as you are polyglot, in China why not ? it&#039;s said that she doesn&#039;t suffer that much of the crisis, and is likely  going to replace the westernies in the third world as &quot;help&quot;, as &quot;civilisationner&quot;, as &quot;explpoitationner&quot;, and, plus, they don&#039;t try to convert anyone to a religion,  they use the &quot;Capitalism&quot; style of the Marshall plan to get underdevelopped populations to make businesses with them, I think they are right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MiamaMan I am sorry for you, but you have a good potential to manage another position, you can teach anywhere as you are polyglot, in China why not ? it&#8217;s said that she doesn&#8217;t suffer that much of the crisis, and is likely  going to replace the westernies in the third world as &#8220;help&#8221;, as &#8220;civilisationner&#8221;, as &#8220;explpoitationner&#8221;, and, plus, they don&#8217;t try to convert anyone to a religion,  they use the &#8220;Capitalism&#8221; style of the Marshall plan to get underdevelopped populations to make businesses with them, I think they are right</p>
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		<title>By: The High Cost of Western Idealism: Saving Schoolgirls From Being Poison-Gassed in Afghanistan and Honor-Murdered in Sweden. :: Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Christians believe the first 14 verses of St. John&#039;s gospel &quot; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God, ------And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us----&quot; It is Jesus Who spoke to Abraham,  calling him out from among the pagan and heathen Gentiles to be a special people answering only to Him, and since He identified Himself for all eternity as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob&quot; and since the Jews have never ceased to believe, even in the face of the worst persecution and the Shoah, and still continue to believe only in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, why is anyone saying they are &quot;unsaved&quot; and need to believe in order to be saved? Surely they are saved from the beginning as it is they and only they who received the everlasting Promise from the Word of God and believe unconditionally?
  It would seem the Christians are barking up the wrong tree and needs to take a good, hard look at themselves before the last vestiges of Christianity are blotted out by the Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Christians believe the first 14 verses of St. John&#8217;s gospel &#8221; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God, &#8212;&#8212;And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us&#8212;-&#8221; It is Jesus Who spoke to Abraham,  calling him out from among the pagan and heathen Gentiles to be a special people answering only to Him, and since He identified Himself for all eternity as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob&#8221; and since the Jews have never ceased to believe, even in the face of the worst persecution and the Shoah, and still continue to believe only in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, why is anyone saying they are &#8220;unsaved&#8221; and need to believe in order to be saved? Surely they are saved from the beginning as it is they and only they who received the everlasting Promise from the Word of God and believe unconditionally?<br />
  It would seem the Christians are barking up the wrong tree and needs to take a good, hard look at themselves before the last vestiges of Christianity are blotted out by the Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 14:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oui, madame, l&#039;emploi a par la fenêtre. Merci</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oui, madame, l&#8217;emploi a par la fenêtre. Merci</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 04:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MiamaMan, mir ist es gut, Ich glaube dass du meinen twitter pic gesehen hast :lol: Cependant, j&#039;ai pas besoin de p&#039;tit ami, cuz je ne veux pas m&#039;embêter avec son linge sale et lui faire sa bouffe, cuz il mio marito fait ça très buon pour moi, et que je perdrais au change en changeant de crêmerie !

Cest vrai, t&#039;as perdu ton emploi ? umm t&#039;as pourtant des ressources dans le cerveau, et un pistolet, je pense que tu peux te faire engager comme garde-du-corps très spécial de Michelle 

gros bisou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MiamaMan, mir ist es gut, Ich glaube dass du meinen twitter pic gesehen hast <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  Cependant, j&#8217;ai pas besoin de p&#8217;tit ami, cuz je ne veux pas m&#8217;embêter avec son linge sale et lui faire sa bouffe, cuz il mio marito fait ça très buon pour moi, et que je perdrais au change en changeant de crêmerie !</p>
<p>Cest vrai, t&#8217;as perdu ton emploi ? umm t&#8217;as pourtant des ressources dans le cerveau, et un pistolet, je pense que tu peux te faire engager comme garde-du-corps très spécial de Michelle </p>
<p>gros bisou</p>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sava bien ma cherie Marie Claude? 	
Comment vas-tu, vous têtus Brttaine femme.

Comment est votre chien? Mais s&#039;il vous plaît n&#039;oubliez pas de petit ami yur.

S&#039;il vous plaît fournir votre numéro de téléphone cellulaire, je suis sans emploi et que vous voulez y aller un de vous rencontrer.
 

Cordialement,

Miami CSI

Please do not write in Langues d&#039;oïl, people here barely &quot;spic Inglish&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sava bien ma cherie Marie Claude?<br />
Comment vas-tu, vous têtus Brttaine femme.</p>
<p>Comment est votre chien? Mais s&#8217;il vous plaît n&#8217;oubliez pas de petit ami yur.</p>
<p>S&#8217;il vous plaît fournir votre numéro de téléphone cellulaire, je suis sans emploi et que vous voulez y aller un de vous rencontrer.</p>
<p>Cordialement,</p>
<p>Miami CSI</p>
<p>Please do not write in Langues d&#8217;oïl, people here barely &#8220;spic Inglish&#8221;.</p>
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