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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friends, as I was telling you the other day about Avidya and the Isha Upanishad (thanks to Phyllis&#039; goodness in allowing on her blog my often dithyrambic posts), you can study, ponder, cogitate, and meditate on the 18 Shlokas of this Upanishad for years. It is designed to move you from one realization to another, and its language is that of intuition (above the intellect).

I had confided to you that Avidya is caused by the ego&#039;s nonperception of oneness. There is more. This separation is inharmonious. The Ego (who obscurely knows himself to be the Lord), falls into relativity, unable to realize himself. The result is discord with oneself and others, weakness, obscuration, the quest for passion, wasted energy, and further death and disintegration. Thus addictions are a quest for wholeness, in a lesser manner we daily play with smaller addictions, expecting to find wholeness from titillation and a little tingling of the nerves (ha, ha, if you know what I mean). 

No coincidence that often the same word is used to define total opposites. As such, alcohol, a most depraving poison, in Latin is &quot;spiritus&quot;, the same lofty definition that for the substance of the Lord. Thus, Jung, 3 months before his death, defined the winning formula against alcohol addiction as, in Latin: &quot;spiritus contra spiritum&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friends, as I was telling you the other day about Avidya and the Isha Upanishad (thanks to Phyllis&#8217; goodness in allowing on her blog my often dithyrambic posts), you can study, ponder, cogitate, and meditate on the 18 Shlokas of this Upanishad for years. It is designed to move you from one realization to another, and its language is that of intuition (above the intellect).</p>
<p>I had confided to you that Avidya is caused by the ego&#8217;s nonperception of oneness. There is more. This separation is inharmonious. The Ego (who obscurely knows himself to be the Lord), falls into relativity, unable to realize himself. The result is discord with oneself and others, weakness, obscuration, the quest for passion, wasted energy, and further death and disintegration. Thus addictions are a quest for wholeness, in a lesser manner we daily play with smaller addictions, expecting to find wholeness from titillation and a little tingling of the nerves (ha, ha, if you know what I mean). </p>
<p>No coincidence that often the same word is used to define total opposites. As such, alcohol, a most depraving poison, in Latin is &#8220;spiritus&#8221;, the same lofty definition that for the substance of the Lord. Thus, Jung, 3 months before his death, defined the winning formula against alcohol addiction as, in Latin: &#8220;spiritus contra spiritum&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It was Ron Paul, the most anti-Israel member of Congress. Sarah Palin once described him as “cool.”

I also consider Ron Paul &quot;cool&quot;---when it comes to economics.  He is, by far, the most economically knowledgeable elected official in either house of the U.S. Congress.  Unfortunately, he is a total idiot regarding foreign policy matters.  Paul is also similar to the great libertarian theorist, Murray Rothbard. The latter gentleman got so goofy that he adored Che Guevara and the Cuban revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It was Ron Paul, the most anti-Israel member of Congress. Sarah Palin once described him as “cool.”</p>
<p>I also consider Ron Paul &#8220;cool&#8221;&#8212;when it comes to economics.  He is, by far, the most economically knowledgeable elected official in either house of the U.S. Congress.  Unfortunately, he is a total idiot regarding foreign policy matters.  Paul is also similar to the great libertarian theorist, Murray Rothbard. The latter gentleman got so goofy that he adored Che Guevara and the Cuban revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phyllis, I though you rested, and never posted anyone, on the Sabbath. I got you, bad Jew! ha, ha, ha. I guess you made an exception with Professore Emerito Cinese Dr. J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phyllis, I though you rested, and never posted anyone, on the Sabbath. I got you, bad Jew! ha, ha, ha. I guess you made an exception with Professore Emerito Cinese Dr. J.</p>
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		<title>By: George Jochnowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Jochnowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The House of Representatives has voted 405 to 1 to support demonstrators in Iran.  Who was the single dissenting voter?  It was Ron Paul, the most anti-Israel member of Congress.  Sarah Palin once described him as &quot;cool.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The House of Representatives has voted 405 to 1 to support demonstrators in Iran.  Who was the single dissenting voter?  It was Ron Paul, the most anti-Israel member of Congress.  Sarah Palin once described him as &#8220;cool.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think why this is something of a wedge issue should be explained better:

For Europeans what gets them is the idea of territorial integrity and no change in borders due to war or maybe even no changes at all like the Helsinki agreement said. Hammond and Rand McNally show the 1949-1967 borders a sthe borders of Israel, therefore that is what the borders are by them. 

The Europeans also seem to have bought the concept that they are illegal, but that is a great distortion of the Geneva Convention protocols of 1949. They had in mind FORCED transfer of population. And in addition of course there is I think the fact that Israel never signed on to that (I&#039;m not sure) and that this is actually territory that belongs to no state at the present time.

When you say something is illegal, saying that the illegality should be removed - ALL of it - is a powerful point, and it is easy enough to ignore practical issues.

The United States has never, not even Obama here, said the settlements were illegal, but merely &quot;obstacvles to peace&quot; because of the ideda that territory or some of it would eventually be given away, and if you have Jews living on it, you can&#039;t give it away.

You can&#039;t give it away of course because no Jews&#039; life let alone property and civil rights, would be safe.

The argument about the settlements also carries some weight in the United states because of the argument that the settlements cause problems for the Arabs. But the only reason they cause problems are because of the attacks!

I actually don&#039;t think this is a big issue of conflict between Israel asnd the United States. Israel doesn&#039;t do what the United States would prefer - but nothing will change.  What&#039;s bad is the thinking by the United States government - the thinking about what you need to do to get peace - the thinking about the urgency of it - that it affects other things - that it is the reason some Arab states do not co-operate in thuis or that - that&#039;s really bad. And then there are things the united States might do because of faulty thinking - that&#039;s also bad and what the United Sta tes does NOT do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think why this is something of a wedge issue should be explained better:</p>
<p>For Europeans what gets them is the idea of territorial integrity and no change in borders due to war or maybe even no changes at all like the Helsinki agreement said. Hammond and Rand McNally show the 1949-1967 borders a sthe borders of Israel, therefore that is what the borders are by them. </p>
<p>The Europeans also seem to have bought the concept that they are illegal, but that is a great distortion of the Geneva Convention protocols of 1949. They had in mind FORCED transfer of population. And in addition of course there is I think the fact that Israel never signed on to that (I&#8217;m not sure) and that this is actually territory that belongs to no state at the present time.</p>
<p>When you say something is illegal, saying that the illegality should be removed &#8211; ALL of it &#8211; is a powerful point, and it is easy enough to ignore practical issues.</p>
<p>The United States has never, not even Obama here, said the settlements were illegal, but merely &#8220;obstacvles to peace&#8221; because of the ideda that territory or some of it would eventually be given away, and if you have Jews living on it, you can&#8217;t give it away.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t give it away of course because no Jews&#8217; life let alone property and civil rights, would be safe.</p>
<p>The argument about the settlements also carries some weight in the United states because of the argument that the settlements cause problems for the Arabs. But the only reason they cause problems are because of the attacks!</p>
<p>I actually don&#8217;t think this is a big issue of conflict between Israel asnd the United States. Israel doesn&#8217;t do what the United States would prefer &#8211; but nothing will change.  What&#8217;s bad is the thinking by the United States government &#8211; the thinking about what you need to do to get peace &#8211; the thinking about the urgency of it &#8211; that it affects other things &#8211; that it is the reason some Arab states do not co-operate in thuis or that &#8211; that&#8217;s really bad. And then there are things the united States might do because of faulty thinking &#8211; that&#8217;s also bad and what the United Sta tes does NOT do.</p>
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		<title>By: Fern Sidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fern Sidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the woman named &quot;Raquel&quot;:

You also fail to mention how many Jewish settlers in Judea, Samaria and Gaza were murdered by Arabs in the last 20 years. I implore you to  read Aaron Klein&#039;s book. In it you will read of the heinous murder of Hillel Lieberman, a Brooklyn born rabbi who moved to Israel and was murdered by Arabs on Shabbos while attempting to protect the Torahs, siddurim and other religious articles in Joseph&#039;s Tomb in Schechem after the Arabs rampaged through it (September 2000)destroying everything in site.

You can also read of Jewish settlers who have had their children murdered. On March 26, 2001, 10 month old Shalhevet Pass was murdered by a Palestinian sniper&#039;s bullet as she sat in her stroller in Hebron.  Shalhevet&#039;s father, Yitzchak Pass, who was pushing the stroller, was also wounded by the same bullet.

And let&#039;s not forget the April 2009 murder of 16 year old Shlomo Nativ by an axe wielding Palestinian terrorist at the settlement of Bat Ayin.

You also fail to mention the Arabs who steal entire flocks of goat and sheep owned by Jewish settlers in such Samarian settlements as Yitzhar, Tapuach and Elon Moreh.

You speak of &quot;land grabbing&quot; by settlers and the State of Israel, but you fail to remember that no Arabs are displaced when Jews build settlements and that any settlement illegally built by Jews is demolished within days. Just ask the courageous hilltop youth who have tried. 

You also don&#039;t mention the horrific brutality perpetrated against Jewish protestors by Israeli border police and IDF soldiers against protestors at the settlement of Amona in February of 2006 when the Supreme Court of Israel gave the go ahead for government forces to demolish nine homes there. As you recall, hundreds were hospitalized in the riots that ensued.

You say that you&#039;ll be happy to introduce Dr. Chesler to the &quot;right people&quot; who have &quot;objective evidence of the realities in our troubled land&quot;. I suggest that you try to be objective as well and realize that that the &quot;realities&quot; that you speak of have another side to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the woman named &#8220;Raquel&#8221;:</p>
<p>You also fail to mention how many Jewish settlers in Judea, Samaria and Gaza were murdered by Arabs in the last 20 years. I implore you to  read Aaron Klein&#8217;s book. In it you will read of the heinous murder of Hillel Lieberman, a Brooklyn born rabbi who moved to Israel and was murdered by Arabs on Shabbos while attempting to protect the Torahs, siddurim and other religious articles in Joseph&#8217;s Tomb in Schechem after the Arabs rampaged through it (September 2000)destroying everything in site.</p>
<p>You can also read of Jewish settlers who have had their children murdered. On March 26, 2001, 10 month old Shalhevet Pass was murdered by a Palestinian sniper&#8217;s bullet as she sat in her stroller in Hebron.  Shalhevet&#8217;s father, Yitzchak Pass, who was pushing the stroller, was also wounded by the same bullet.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget the April 2009 murder of 16 year old Shlomo Nativ by an axe wielding Palestinian terrorist at the settlement of Bat Ayin.</p>
<p>You also fail to mention the Arabs who steal entire flocks of goat and sheep owned by Jewish settlers in such Samarian settlements as Yitzhar, Tapuach and Elon Moreh.</p>
<p>You speak of &#8220;land grabbing&#8221; by settlers and the State of Israel, but you fail to remember that no Arabs are displaced when Jews build settlements and that any settlement illegally built by Jews is demolished within days. Just ask the courageous hilltop youth who have tried. </p>
<p>You also don&#8217;t mention the horrific brutality perpetrated against Jewish protestors by Israeli border police and IDF soldiers against protestors at the settlement of Amona in February of 2006 when the Supreme Court of Israel gave the go ahead for government forces to demolish nine homes there. As you recall, hundreds were hospitalized in the riots that ensued.</p>
<p>You say that you&#8217;ll be happy to introduce Dr. Chesler to the &#8220;right people&#8221; who have &#8220;objective evidence of the realities in our troubled land&#8221;. I suggest that you try to be objective as well and realize that that the &#8220;realities&#8221; that you speak of have another side to them.</p>
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		<title>By: nemogbr</title>
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		<dc:creator>nemogbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting blog and learning a few more things about the problems on that side of the world. 

It does look insumountable. No matter what the Israeli government decides they end up in a weaker position with either Western governments or their Muslim Arab neighbours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting blog and learning a few more things about the problems on that side of the world. </p>
<p>It does look insumountable. No matter what the Israeli government decides they end up in a weaker position with either Western governments or their Muslim Arab neighbours.</p>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s up David? I was missing your posts. Also, Frau K, that Yeke old woman from Israel. 

Yes, them dark-skinned folks are certainly planning an “endlösung” of the white folks. Palestinians need &quot;lebensraum&quot; in Judea, and are finally learning (like Hezbollah) the &quot;schwerpunkt&quot; tactics of the IDF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s up David? I was missing your posts. Also, Frau K, that Yeke old woman from Israel. </p>
<p>Yes, them dark-skinned folks are certainly planning an “endlösung” of the white folks. Palestinians need &#8220;lebensraum&#8221; in Judea, and are finally learning (like Hezbollah) the &#8220;schwerpunkt&#8221; tactics of the IDF.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I long ago realized that the anti-settlement rhetoric of the Palestinians is the result of outright bigotry.  They simply don&#039;t want Jews living near them.  It&#039;s as simple as that.  They are similar to the white bigots in the United States who didn&#039;t want blacks living next door.  The radical Palestinian leadership will never be satisfied until all Jews have been kicked out of the Middle East.  These thugs should be compared to leaders of the Ku Klux Klan.  It is also unfortunate that the Pals don&#039;t possess blue eyes and blond hair.  Their dark skin intimidates the &quot;elites.&quot;  Non-white individuals supposedly can never be racists.  They are always to be perceived as victims of white imperialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I long ago realized that the anti-settlement rhetoric of the Palestinians is the result of outright bigotry.  They simply don&#8217;t want Jews living near them.  It&#8217;s as simple as that.  They are similar to the white bigots in the United States who didn&#8217;t want blacks living next door.  The radical Palestinian leadership will never be satisfied until all Jews have been kicked out of the Middle East.  These thugs should be compared to leaders of the Ku Klux Klan.  It is also unfortunate that the Pals don&#8217;t possess blue eyes and blond hair.  Their dark skin intimidates the &#8220;elites.&#8221;  Non-white individuals supposedly can never be racists.  They are always to be perceived as victims of white imperialism.</p>
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		<title>By: joeblough</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeblough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lebensraum.

Judenrein.

Appeasement.

Not much changes in human affairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lebensraum.</p>
<p>Judenrein.</p>
<p>Appeasement.</p>
<p>Not much changes in human affairs.</p>
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