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	<title>Comments on: Islamic Face Masks: Banned in Michigan Courtrooms</title>
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		<title>By: Ayah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction.... I was referring to the &quot;Black&quot; Abayas and Shaylas that women wear in the Middle East as being cultural.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction&#8230;. I was referring to the &#8220;Black&#8221; Abayas and Shaylas that women wear in the Middle East as being cultural.</p>
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		<title>By: Ayah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow....  I am speechless as to the hatred that still exists in the west.  I am a new Muslim of 5 months.  I am an American Woman.  Proud American Woman.  I moved to the Middle East 8 months ago by choice.  I converted by choice.  I wear Niqab on occasion by choice.  I wear hijab ALL THE TIME WHILE IN PUBLIC as we are to protect our modesty.  I completely understand that the black women wear and the Niqab are cultural.  I just wish people would understand that it is a choice that we make.  We are not forced into anything.. Case in point, I am single.  I have no husband forcing anything on me.  No family here.  So I have no father or brother telling me how to dress.  I choose on my own.  Islam is a wonderful religion which has given me hope and would love for everyone to leave us be.  Stop with the hateful speech.  It gets both sides no where.  As for the woman who refused to take off Niqab.  Her choice but I agree with the Judge on this one.  It is NOT religious, it is cultural.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;.  I am speechless as to the hatred that still exists in the west.  I am a new Muslim of 5 months.  I am an American Woman.  Proud American Woman.  I moved to the Middle East 8 months ago by choice.  I converted by choice.  I wear Niqab on occasion by choice.  I wear hijab ALL THE TIME WHILE IN PUBLIC as we are to protect our modesty.  I completely understand that the black women wear and the Niqab are cultural.  I just wish people would understand that it is a choice that we make.  We are not forced into anything.. Case in point, I am single.  I have no husband forcing anything on me.  No family here.  So I have no father or brother telling me how to dress.  I choose on my own.  Islam is a wonderful religion which has given me hope and would love for everyone to leave us be.  Stop with the hateful speech.  It gets both sides no where.  As for the woman who refused to take off Niqab.  Her choice but I agree with the Judge on this one.  It is NOT religious, it is cultural.</p>
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		<title>By: Evon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In cases such as court where the judge must see the plaintiff&#039;s face or when an officer is supposed to identify someone, heck check your driver&#039;s license, there is no reason why showing one&#039;s face should not be mandatory. And this whole driver&#039;s license nonsense that she doesn&#039;t want to remove her cover... Umm... Ma&#039;am, it&#039;s called an identification card; in order to ID you, we need to take a picture of your face. No face, no ID. You know what, it just crossed my mind that this might be a reason for women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive. 

They say Burqa is to protect a woman. Well, Burqa makes me horny, now what say you? This very fact should make all the Burqa lovers to forgo of their cover to have their sanctity preserved because after all, we have to do away with attires that cause sexual tension. If you tell me that Burqa is simply a matter of my preference, my face was burnt so I wish to hide it, or perhaps it makes me look gorgeous, I accept your decision to wear such attire. As a matter of fact, the constitution allows anyone to wear whatever he/she wishes and I am fine with that. But when you reason with me that covering every inch of your body somehow wards off the predators or diminishes an unwanted wondering eyes (Allah forbid), you are simply not familiar with male psyche. 

*sarcasm* I really feel for the rapists in Saudi Arabia. When they select their victim, they have to pray the one that walks into their trap fulfill their desire. 

Another scary thought that comes to mind is to imagine if everyone was to cover their face. What kind of society would that be where people will never get a chance to watch each others&#039; facial expression? Why not just go ahead and enshroud flowers, skies, seas and whatever that remotely gives me a tingling sensation down my pants with black sheet of misery &quot;just in case.&quot; A long time ago, I got into an argument with a Burqa-convert woman whose rational behind the veil was that it signals a &quot;Muslim woman&quot; walking down the street. I am wondering to myself, how about make a beautiful green flower in your hair a sign of a &quot;Muslim woman&quot; walking down the street?  Why do you have to go rogue on everything. Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In cases such as court where the judge must see the plaintiff&#8217;s face or when an officer is supposed to identify someone, heck check your driver&#8217;s license, there is no reason why showing one&#8217;s face should not be mandatory. And this whole driver&#8217;s license nonsense that she doesn&#8217;t want to remove her cover&#8230; Umm&#8230; Ma&#8217;am, it&#8217;s called an identification card; in order to ID you, we need to take a picture of your face. No face, no ID. You know what, it just crossed my mind that this might be a reason for women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive. </p>
<p>They say Burqa is to protect a woman. Well, Burqa makes me horny, now what say you? This very fact should make all the Burqa lovers to forgo of their cover to have their sanctity preserved because after all, we have to do away with attires that cause sexual tension. If you tell me that Burqa is simply a matter of my preference, my face was burnt so I wish to hide it, or perhaps it makes me look gorgeous, I accept your decision to wear such attire. As a matter of fact, the constitution allows anyone to wear whatever he/she wishes and I am fine with that. But when you reason with me that covering every inch of your body somehow wards off the predators or diminishes an unwanted wondering eyes (Allah forbid), you are simply not familiar with male psyche. </p>
<p>*sarcasm* I really feel for the rapists in Saudi Arabia. When they select their victim, they have to pray the one that walks into their trap fulfill their desire. </p>
<p>Another scary thought that comes to mind is to imagine if everyone was to cover their face. What kind of society would that be where people will never get a chance to watch each others&#8217; facial expression? Why not just go ahead and enshroud flowers, skies, seas and whatever that remotely gives me a tingling sensation down my pants with black sheet of misery &#8220;just in case.&#8221; A long time ago, I got into an argument with a Burqa-convert woman whose rational behind the veil was that it signals a &#8220;Muslim woman&#8221; walking down the street. I am wondering to myself, how about make a beautiful green flower in your hair a sign of a &#8220;Muslim woman&#8221; walking down the street?  Why do you have to go rogue on everything. Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Moreover, as reported in the article, the rationale given by the justices pertains to their ability or inability to judge the truthfulness of a witness by examining their face. I believe that the ability to determine veracity in such a fashion is not a common talent and probably not one that the vast majority of jurists in this country possess. . . .&quot;
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A jury (and in the absence of a jury, the judge) is charged with resolving factual disputes based on the veracity of witness. The entire structure of our 1000 year old legal tradition is based on the right to confront witnesses and weigh their testimony using every tool and sense at one&#039;s disposal. A voice behind a shroud is NOT a reasonable substitute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Moreover, as reported in the article, the rationale given by the justices pertains to their ability or inability to judge the truthfulness of a witness by examining their face. I believe that the ability to determine veracity in such a fashion is not a common talent and probably not one that the vast majority of jurists in this country possess. . . .&#8221;<br />
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<p>A jury (and in the absence of a jury, the judge) is charged with resolving factual disputes based on the veracity of witness. The entire structure of our 1000 year old legal tradition is based on the right to confront witnesses and weigh their testimony using every tool and sense at one&#8217;s disposal. A voice behind a shroud is NOT a reasonable substitute.</p>
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		<title>By: Cicereaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cicereaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The law in Louisiana prohibits masks in public (with exceptions for Mardi Gras and Halloween). This law was originally intended to fight the KKK. I wonder of Louisiana law applies to Muslims niqabs too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law in Louisiana prohibits masks in public (with exceptions for Mardi Gras and Halloween). This law was originally intended to fight the KKK. I wonder of Louisiana law applies to Muslims niqabs too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does one develop an argument against such utter stupidity? I&#039;m looking forward to your updated post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does one develop an argument against such utter stupidity? I&#8217;m looking forward to your updated post.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hesitate to advocate for the complete abolition of face covering in American society.  In many respects, however, I realize that I am engaging in a bit of mealy mouth double talk.  By the time I allow for exceptions---the law, as a practical matter, would forbid covering one&#039;s face in the vast majority of instances!  At the end of the day, the ultra-traditionalist Muslim female would barely be allowed to walk outside her home and get into the car to attend religious services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hesitate to advocate for the complete abolition of face covering in American society.  In many respects, however, I realize that I am engaging in a bit of mealy mouth double talk.  By the time I allow for exceptions&#8212;the law, as a practical matter, would forbid covering one&#8217;s face in the vast majority of instances!  At the end of the day, the ultra-traditionalist Muslim female would barely be allowed to walk outside her home and get into the car to attend religious services.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The circumcision discussion is embarrassing for this forum -- forcibly removing females&#039; genitals is neither similar to the circumcision performed on male children nor a source of humor.  Frankly, take it somewhere else, or educate yourself minimally before speaking -- whatever it takes.  I&#039;ve seen cases up close and in photographs (while seeking urgent gynecological/obstetrics care, and in lobbying for outlawing the practice).  It is torture and mutilation, and not obscurely so.  Picture somebody severing your penis, then sewing the base shut so that only part of the remaining portion of the urethra is functional: that is the appropriate anatomical comparison, horrific as it may be to state bluntly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The circumcision discussion is embarrassing for this forum &#8212; forcibly removing females&#8217; genitals is neither similar to the circumcision performed on male children nor a source of humor.  Frankly, take it somewhere else, or educate yourself minimally before speaking &#8212; whatever it takes.  I&#8217;ve seen cases up close and in photographs (while seeking urgent gynecological/obstetrics care, and in lobbying for outlawing the practice).  It is torture and mutilation, and not obscurely so.  Picture somebody severing your penis, then sewing the base shut so that only part of the remaining portion of the urethra is functional: that is the appropriate anatomical comparison, horrific as it may be to state bluntly.</p>
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		<title>By: agn</title>
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		<dc:creator>agn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is MUSLIMS who are sexually fixated, not Westerners in general.

Within Islam, women ARE basically walking vaginas licit for male penetration unless she is properly hidden away.

BOTH MUslim men and women are fixated on sexuality, and this is the basis for Muslimahs&#039; defence of covering along the lines &quot;I want to be judged for what type of person I am, not for my looks. Therefore, I cover myself&quot;.

In such a statement, the Muslimah fully sanctions and endorses the view that UNLESS she is covered, she can&#039;t expect to be treated than anything but a piece of licit meat.

Thus, she is being deeply offensive to
A) all women who choose to dress whichever way they want, and YET demands to be treated as a person.
B) All males who are perfectly capable of seeing a beautiful (or ugly) woman and YET treat her as a person, rather than a piece of meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is MUSLIMS who are sexually fixated, not Westerners in general.</p>
<p>Within Islam, women ARE basically walking vaginas licit for male penetration unless she is properly hidden away.</p>
<p>BOTH MUslim men and women are fixated on sexuality, and this is the basis for Muslimahs&#8217; defence of covering along the lines &#8220;I want to be judged for what type of person I am, not for my looks. Therefore, I cover myself&#8221;.</p>
<p>In such a statement, the Muslimah fully sanctions and endorses the view that UNLESS she is covered, she can&#8217;t expect to be treated than anything but a piece of licit meat.</p>
<p>Thus, she is being deeply offensive to<br />
A) all women who choose to dress whichever way they want, and YET demands to be treated as a person.<br />
B) All males who are perfectly capable of seeing a beautiful (or ugly) woman and YET treat her as a person, rather than a piece of meat.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, personally, have zero problem with head coverings. But, I am reminded of crimes commited by men in burqas and veils, ie bank robberies. Another reason for banning the damned things. Women are NOT walking vaginas, no matter what Muslim men think. This whole issue is not about modesty, it is about power, control and superiority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, personally, have zero problem with head coverings. But, I am reminded of crimes commited by men in burqas and veils, ie bank robberies. Another reason for banning the damned things. Women are NOT walking vaginas, no matter what Muslim men think. This whole issue is not about modesty, it is about power, control and superiority.</p>
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