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1. Pajamas Media » Al-Qaeda Threatens France Over Burqa:

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Jun 30, 2009 - 2:29 pm 2. Strawman:

But…Michael Jackson faked his death! Why are you trying to change the subject?

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:37 pm 3. Leatherneck:

Islam. Wear the veil/burka or get raped, and turned into a sex slave. Compare that to Mohamed. A man who murdered, and raped in the name of a god called allah. Extremists? I think not.

Europe, and North America continue to allow Islam to wage Jehad on Western culture. That way, there will be no culture, and we can call the world a Global Tower of Babel.

The last one got destroyed.

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:45 pm 4. Lorna Salzman:

Where are American feminists….and European ones for that matter….on this issue? Are you aware of any feminist groups who have spoken out ?

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:53 pm 5. Professor Guvinoff:

Symbols can be important. The ban against forcing women to hide in the midst of a free society is not a vain fight over mere symbols. It is an affirmation of a traditional standard of freedom. In any case, the fanatics in Algeria think it’s important enough to raise a racket, and worse.

Eventually, it’s a question of whether the immigrants integrate, and beyond this, whether islam find a place in the modern world, or not!

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:56 pm 6. Blarty Blarckleblart:

The burqa, niqab — even hijab — are being used as pawns in the power struggle between jihadic Islam and the West.

While surplices are being used as bishops and rooks are being used as earrings. Cats and dogs living together, &c.

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:15 pm 7. andrew upton:

Many religions have repressive rules regarding the treatment of women, however the physical and mental abuse heaped on women and girls( and homosexuals and apostates and “infidels”) under Radical Islam ( Sharia) is on another plane and leaves the arena of religion to morph into political fascism. The challenge of this fascist movement is the fact that it is hiding behind the veil of religion and thus too often avoids the broad condemnation it so richly deserves.

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:24 pm 8. Norman Simms:

There must be limits to the tolerance of tolerant societies to intolerant individuals and groups.

Norman

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:28 pm 9. Strawman:

Degradation and control of women is only one facet of this. There’s also the public safety issue: public anonymity allows all manner of abuse of western jurisprudence. For all we know, the “woman” in the bag is a wanted terrorist. It’s happened before.

Western democracies are going to have to confront this issue one way or another. We never addressed the issue of public anonymity in any of the foundational documents, and we’re going to have to. A society where people can hide their identity in public is asking for it.

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:35 pm 10. I blame Bush:

Don’t forget those bon vivants, the Taliban: disfiguring and blinding acid attacks on women who show their face; and starving children, because their widowed mothers are not allowed to go out and work. The religion of peace.

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:36 pm 11. Michael:

The point of the burka and the other dictates about women is to keep muslim women and indeed any woman ignorant, pregnant, in the kitchen and subservient.

Interesting that the left loves them so much…

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:44 pm 12. George Jochnowitz:

Certainly the religious pronouncements of al-Qaeda should not be protected by American and European laws. Nevertheless, al-Qaeda is a sincerely religious movement–just as the Inquisition was.

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:49 pm 13. Morton Doodslag:

“Does anyone really believe that al-Qaeda is a religious group?”

This rhetorical question is deeply disturbing. Does Ms. Chessler actually assert that al-Qaeda in NOT a religious group? If so, it is astounding. Virtually every pronouncement from this vile Muslim organization is replete with reference to chapter and verse from the execrable Koran. The second on command, Zawahiri, sports a scabrous bruise and bone deformation on his forehead, a trait extremely common among religious zealots in Islam. Virtually every action al Qaeda undertakes is very well rooted in historical precedent from the long bloody history of the Muslims. This historical record, and the mental animus which cause it, include congenital hatred of so-called “infidels” and apostates, terrorism, Jihad to spread the ideology of Islam violently and ruthlessly, beheadings, and tyranny.

Honestly, how is it possible that Phyllis Chessler has heard the endless quotings from the Koran, the endless mentionings of Muslim buzzwords like “Crusader”, and “Zionist”, the endless Jihad pretexts and Muslim grievance theatre, not to mention the quintessential Muslim monstrosities like terrorist bombings, mutilations, hostage taking, looting amd raping, withou grasping the foundational Muslimness in ALL their heinous acts of barbarity.

Is she deaf? Insane? Wilfully blind to the mountains of evidence that these maniacs are indeed religious zealots perpetrating evil per Islamic doctrine? Or does she make utterly impeachable comments like this to preserve some bankrupt theory that these al-Qaeda are just more perverters of a Great Peaceful World Religion(tm) like millions more across the Muslim world?

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:55 pm 14. Blarty Blarckleblart:

I can’t believe you guys are upset because al-Qaeda threatened France. FRANCE!

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:57 pm 15. Delia:

For every woman who says she ‘wants’ to wear the ‘burga’, I suggest detaining ‘her’ in a loving, kind environment with women who have ‘been there, done that and moved on’ for one solid month without the fear of retributions or beheadings.

Women are still treated like SHIT in many portions of this world and growing up in the USA sometimes gives us a ‘bubble’ of thinking that ‘everyone is like us’. Well, school children, braces yourselves, a lot of the world still SUCKS. Don’t pull that 0bama crap and ‘embrace’ cultures that are EVIL and VILE to the CORE. Open your eyes, little ones and fight with all your might for what is RIGHT. Women give birth to you and you in turn treat woman like dirt? A pox and a curse on all men/women who treat women worse than dogs.

I curse every man who would hurt his sister or mother. I curse you to HELL.

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:02 pm 16. seguin:

This is a do-nothing measure. France and the French police are completely unwilling to fight against radical Muslim gangs in the banlieus. Law and order don’t exist in those areas…and this measure is their response?

It won’t fix their problems.

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:20 pm 17. robotech master:

To 3. Lorna Salzman

Clearly you seem to misunderstand what feminists are and what they stand for. Feminists by action are ppl who spread leftist/nazism/communism through the oppression of males, typically and most importantly the white male. Their goal is to destabilize those who would fight for their freedom and property through guilt, terrorism, threat and racial threat.

Feminists don’t care about woman’s rights and they least of all care about equal rights. Their priority is the spread of leftism and tyranny through their current friends radicalized Islam. Just in latter days though they’re priority was to spread leftist/nazism/communism through stalin/USSR and hitler before that. They shifted goals after both were defeated by the US and they learned that in order for their leftist hero’s to be victorious they must first remove the greatest oppressor of leftist/leftism…. the US and more importantly the US white male.

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:38 pm 18. I blame Bush:

#9 Michael:

“Interesting that the left loves them so much…”

The left loves them because they hate the west. It’s as simple as that.

The left will climb into bed with tyrants, homophobes, mysoginists, paleolithic theocrats, acid-throwers, torturers (and I mean real torturers, not water-boarding amateurs), genocides, kleptocrats and psychopaths – if they hate the west.

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:44 pm 19. Louis Santacroce:

If I threatened to kill the president (please note: I am NOT threatining to kill the president!), the government would not wait for me to actually point the gun and pull the trigger before moving in; they would move in BEFORE any harm could be done. With that in mind, I say take Al-Qaeda at its word and begin pre-emptive strikes immediately.

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:47 pm 20. antaine:

“But…Michael Jackson faked his death! Why are you trying to change the subject?”

Forget about Michael Jackson, I wanna hear about John and Katie!!!!

…sigh…

If you don’t like the laws in France (or the US, UK, Ireland, Germany, &c &c), then DON’T LIVE THERE!

If wearing a hijab is that important to you, go back to Algeria. If a more proseperous way of life is more important, stay in France. If you’re torn between the two then you have some soul-searching to do…but you don’t have the right to demand both the cake and the eating of it…

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:58 pm 21. Leatherneck:

#18 Louis S.,

I agree, but only if you include CAIR, and the Muslim Brotherhood in your OP.

Thank you.

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:35 pm 22. Will:

Get ready ladies,Islam is coming.Like to be treated like dogs ??

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:40 pm 23. The Skizzerd of Waz:

It’s only the double baggers who should wear the head to toe spud sacks, force the hotties to wear tank tops and short shorts!

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:41 pm 24. Reclass:

@15.

Please desist with this vitriolic, ill-considered, ranting against “feminists.” Feminism, as I suspect many who read this list and are educated will tell you, is a diverse doctrine. I think even Ms. Chesler will lay claim to being a feminist. You are employing the very tactics and rhetoric that you so decry by making feminism into a monolithic entity. Self-described feminists, and I count myself in such a group, do not all wear Birkenstock jack boots which they wish to stomp into white, male faces (although, some people make that prospect highly tempting–you can take a joke, can’t you?)

Feminists helped to pave the way for Ms. Chesler to actually write in forums such as this one. Feminists contributed to the acceptance of mere humble women as posters in forums such as this. Your blinkered thinking does absolutely nothing to forward discussion and is an insult to all free thinking women on this list who believe that, at root, feminism is about that simple proposition that women are human too. It is past time that feminism was reclaimed both from the lunatic left but also from those on the right who merely use it as a shield for their essentially misogynistic sentiments.

What some people should be afraid of, is not the radical left, but that there are plenty of “sensible” feminists out there. Try and accord us just an iota of respect, will you?

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:51 pm 25. Freedom is Just Another Word:

There was an excellent book published, “Why the French don’t like Headresses” or something to that effect.

The veil is an implement used to separate the “us” v. “them” and to keep women in order. All “high control” religions control their followers, and this is how it is done is fundamentalist Islam. The men are also controlled, just not so overtly. They can’t change their religion or have a different thought.

Plus, the veil is a good way to hide the bruises, too.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:02 pm 26. "progressive"watch:

France has a choice. Stand and fight. Otherwise,France will go down a darker and darker road,into total darkness,and it may meet the United States there.

The al Qaeda terroists should wear the hijab–out of shame before the whole civilized humane world and for their trampling and brutalizing of women.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:18 pm 27. David Thomson:

“Does anyone really believe that al-Qaeda is a religious group? Or that their religious pronouncements are holy and should be protected by American or European laws?”

Al-Qaeda is definitely something of a nihilistic religious group. And its doctrinal pronouncements should indeed be protected by the law governing the Western nations. It’s the actions of al-Qaeda’s adherents and allies that need to be punished when they break the law! We must always distinguish between thoughts and actions. The problem is that their actual behavior has often been ignored.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:37 pm 28. Lynn B.:

In all reality they are more a militant political movement using religious ideology on the masses to achieve dominance and power. The burqa and niqab are part of that distinction. It sets them apart and establishes boundaries. The burqa should ne banned in all the West so should the niqab.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:38 pm 29. Pat J:

So Al Qaida all of a sudden is showing support for its Muslim daughters and sisters. How touching. And such hypcrisy. They and there backward cousins the Taliban treat women like chattel. These misogynists are afraid of women. That’s why they like to hide them behind the burqa.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:57 pm 30. michiganruth:

thank God our brave president stood up for the rights of those Algerian women (and others) to wear the hijab.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:07 pm 31. sandbox:

Banning the veil (and all public mask wearing) is needed for security reasons. We have video surveillance cameras in many public place. How can we allow one group, veil wearers, to make themselves exeptions to the cameras.?

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:13 pm 32. Omar:

Seguin, on the Banliues:

” . . . Law and order don’t exist in those areas . . . ”

Yes they do, just not FRENCH law or FRENCH order:

“Will london Burn, too?”

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/14443/will-london-burn-too.thtml

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:21 pm 33. Samizdat:

The commentators who have responded to this article by Ms Chesler raise multiple excellent points. The misogynist trash that form the core of Al queda and the Taliban need to be taken out and crushed. The Pakistani’s experience with these two faced radicals tells us all we need to know. If you try peace dealing they will always go back on their word. They need to be hunted down and attrited in detail. This is one place where I compliment President Obama. He has stayed on offense against these terrorists. Notice how you never hear NOW or the western feminist movement speaking out against these scumbags? Truely pathetic and quite revealing.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:24 pm 34. Anonymous:

No burqah! Go France!

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:40 pm 35. Winston Churchill:

michiganruth, I love you for bringing up Obama’s fight for the right to wear the hijab. Look, that statement by Obama was treason against women, there is no doubt.

Even the predominantly muslim nation Tunesia has succeeded in banning the burqa, nijab, hajib or any face covering. Subsequently, tourism is booming with Europeans! It is so simple a way to passively throw out the radicals and discourage polygamy.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:43 pm 36. mhr:

Hatred of women is at the heart of islamic religious beliefs. The woman is considered the temptress against whom men must protect themselves. The protection consists of keeping the female body covered up the burqa being the most extreme of the coverings. No part of her is seen including the eyes. This is sickness and worthy of a psychiatric study. In the past liberal psychologists have published psychiatric profiles of conservative politicians. Now when they can give us some insight into the islamic view of women, they are strangely silent. Cowardice?

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:49 pm 37. Strawman:

Does anyone really believe that al-Qaeda is a religious group? Or that their religious pronouncements are holy and should be protected by American or European laws?

As I’ve said before, islamists are a strange breed that have properties of a religious cult. But criminal gang works, too. And political activist (no wonder they find kindred spirits among “community organizers”). They’re kind of every type of retrograde malevolent organization or movement rolled into one.

Manson would have converted.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:49 pm 38. Mitzi Alvin:

Thank heavens for Mr. Doodslag and his intelligent, well-written comments. I will only add this: veiling is a preemptive punishment for women whose nature it is, according to the eternal and uncreated word of Allah, to “adorn themselves with trinkets,” and who are powerless in disputation,” sura 43:11. In other words, women are so vain and stupid they must not only be disarmed (or decharmed) in order to protect innocent males from their noxious seductions, they must be protected from themselves. But the full veil, naqib or burka, goes one step further than the usual prophyactic safeguards. As Mr. Sarkozy has obverved, a woman, who may only show her face in the private quarters of family or friends is, in effect, under permanent house arrest. In this way male control over the dangerous female body is established comprehensively and unequivocally. Veiling has nothing to do with a women’s honor. It is bondage plain and simple. It is masculine honor that’s at risk here. And it is emblematic of the male-privileged culture of Islam (submission) that women are held responsible for male sexual aggression.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:52 pm 39. progressoverpeace:

Turkey should breathe a sigh of relief that, evidently, Al Quaeda knows nothing about their laws …

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:01 pm 40. Delia:

Men can be such morons. They are the ones with the ‘bulges’ that can ‘grow’ after all.

To this day, even in the USA, our society dictates that men can go ‘topless’ and women can’t and some asshats ‘freak’ over women breast feeding in ‘public’ [gawd frecking forbid that a woman's breasts are actually used for their PURPOSE].

When are people going to grow up and love MOTHER? Mother.

Say it over and over.

MOTHER
MOTHER
MOTHER
MOTHER
MOTHER

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:05 pm 41. jerry:

Muslims do not hate women – like the rest of human-kind, they love women. Unfortunately, they have derived from cultural circumstances that promote polygamy. Polygamy produces unequal access to women, so that rich, older men can afford more than one wife, thus depriving younger, poorer males of access to even one female. It is, then, little wonder that older, richer men send their rivals the battlefield in order to relieve them from competition. Uncontrolled fertility produces males that must be eliminated for the sake of societal stability. As an older, richer, Muslim male you do not want competition around, so warfare lends itself to that purpose. As an illustration of this thesis, please note that Muslim society is milder where polygamy is less common – Indonesia, for example and more harsh in highly polygamous areas such as Saudi Arabia and Algeria.

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:17 pm 42. Marie Claude:

It’s not the first time that AQ threatens us, each time we’re saying sumthin the islamists don’t like ; they may try an attack on our enterprises in Maghreb, but they’ll be pursued by our anti-terrrorist forces, that are not known for joking, that can go to where they live without being noticed, yes, some guis from our surburbs are not gangsters and are employed in the kind of services.

Now I just surfed on maghreb forums, and I read lots of “Bravo Fadela Amara” who is a maghrebin minister that voiced against the Burka.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7509339.stm

Also the moderated muslims responsibles are also saying that Islam doesn’t impose one outfit

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:23 pm 43. Marie Claude:

http://www.lepost.fr/article/2009/06/18/1583986_fadela-amara-burqa-l-expression-visible-et-physique-des-fondamentalistes-et-des-integristes-dans-notre-pays.html

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:30 pm 44. robotech master:

To 24. Reclass

You seem to not understand much about history or the real world. While their is no doubt that women have been mistreated in the past…. their is also no doubt that the vast majority of “feminist” groups are nothing but a group of sexists getting together to oppress in a different direction. Most “feminist” groups are only different from groups like the KKK in that into of supporting the “majority” they support a “minority” thats it.

Sure the word “feminist” use to stay for someone else but much like the word “nigger” when applied to a select group and in current time frames it means only one thing, leftist who use sexism to further they’re politics.

While I sympathize with arguing the past…. “feminism” really doesn’t have much of a proud or long history most of all the term itself.

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:40 pm 45. dmgold, Israel:

There is no religious freedom for non muslims throughout most of the muslim world. The jews were driven out of the Arab world by force from 1948 through to 1967. The Christians who only 80 years ago made up 20-25 % of the population in the Arab world are down to 2 % and in free fall.
Rights of Muslim women aside, no non muslim even has a right to prayer or to wear a religious symbol in much of the muslim world, try wearing a crucifix or Yalmulkah into Saudi Arabia you wont get through customs.
It is a two way street and Muslim sensibilities should not be given more weight in the christian/secular world just because they are muslim. The Muslim threatenss, threatens violence, thats pretty much the muslim response to anything denied them, anywhere in the world from the Phillipines, through Thailand, India, Israel, Africa, Europe, the only people/faith/political movement to be in conflict with everyone else where ever they reside.

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:42 pm 46. Delia:

41. Marie Claude

“Islam doesn’t impose one outfit”

???

My sweet leetle succulent, buttery, adorable, super sexy Frenchy:

‘impose’ being the ‘key-word’?

Bell bottom blues.

Jun 30, 2009 - 9:10 pm 47. Tonya:

It makes me sick to my stomach to read how these women and children are treated. I cannot imagine going through a life of torture, they must be psychologically damaged; anyone would be after rape and torture.
Thank You for this alarming article, though it hurts to the core to read of young girls being raped and murdered, and they are just children, babies being treated worse than dogs. 16 years old is a baby, and I am so sad to read this.
Mrs. Chesler you brought tears to my eyes tonight, and I will pray for these woman, and little girls.
It is political to these terrorists, not religious. How could they call this a form of religion?

Jun 30, 2009 - 9:15 pm 48. WhyamInotsurprised?:

#24 Reclass – ok, ok, so you’ve reviewed what feminists did in the past. We get it.

What we don’t get is why on so many issues today, feminists are silent when a global movement for change is afoot. Whether it is muslim women being forced to wear this despicable form of clothing or supporting Gov. Palins’ right to free speech, feminist are quiet. I guess they got theirs, so others are on their own now.

You ask for respect? You sound like Bawbaw Boxer demanding R-E-S-P-E-C-T from a General while abusing him in the process. Feminists appear to be only interested in the past glories of bra burning and hairy armpits. No, you don’t demand respect, you earn it.

Jun 30, 2009 - 11:01 pm 49. progressoverpeace:

47. Tonya:

It is political to these terrorists, not religious. How could they call this a form of religion?

Because islam demands the power of state and is, at its core, a political ideology with an attendant mythology – not a religion.

Jun 30, 2009 - 11:19 pm 50. JFM:

Men can be such morons. They are the ones with the ‘bulges’ that can ‘grow’ after all.

To this day, even in the USA, our society dictates that men can go ‘topless’ and women can’t and some asshats ‘freak’ over women breast feeding in ‘public’

It is not society. There is a thing called secundary sexual characteristics whose presence is key on causing desire on men and focusing them on fecund unions. That is why women don’t develop breasts before puberty and those decay at menopause. Flashing the most powerful of those sexaul characteristics in public can be deemed a bit provocative. Now I agree about you on breast feeding since for normal men a baby on a breast is an instant turn off. At least it is for me.

Jun 30, 2009 - 11:41 pm 51. ked5:

24. Reclass:

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Maybe you haven’t noticed, but the current “crop” of feminista’s HIJACKED the movement to improve women’s lives. the current crop do come across as HATING white men, as well as any woman who DOESN’T hate men. If you’ve read Phyllis’s own words, you will find she has a pretty ill opinon of that crop of hag’s who would make friends with islamis if it will help them step on the white male.

Jul 1, 2009 - 12:12 am 52. ked5:

In my local homeschool group, is a woman from Saudi Arabia. She converted from Islam to Christianity. She has been very staunch in her declarations that islam is a (-n unjust) LEGAL system, and nothing more. It may parade around as a religious system, but it’s much easier to control a populace if the local tyrant claims to have god on their side and get into the souls of the peons, than “merely” laws.

Oh, she’s also been *quite* clear, her family is disobeying islam by *not* killing her.

Jul 1, 2009 - 12:21 am 53. ked5:

Notice how you never hear NOW or the western feminist movement speaking out against these scumbags? Truely pathetic and quite revealing.

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They never spoke out against Clinton or *any* Kennedy either.

Jul 1, 2009 - 12:33 am 54. David H:

There is already a law in France that bans covering your face except when at a carnival, as per normal it is the failure of the French state to apply existing laws that is the issue.

In terms of banning the burqa etc., the great French state will use legal means to attack women who are terrorised to wear these things, so they are terrorised by the French state or by Islamic males, another cowardly cop out. Do you seriously think that the police will enforce this where it really matters, I think not, will they arrest those men forcing women to wear them, I think not.

And if Marie Claude you start on me being anti French, I think every single Western European country does not have the courage to face up to this and leave it to women to suffer for it, cowards the lot of them…

Islam, what is Islam, Al Queda are applying the real Islam, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. The only moderate Muslim is one who is an ex-Muslim. Islam is really a political ideology dressed up as a religion, and is also a cult of personality around their so called prophet, where he is to be followed in every act and deed, like the little slaves that they are. The most evil people in Islam are the most devout…

Jul 1, 2009 - 12:42 am 55. Evil Pundit:

#40 Delia: Thank you for demonstrating the feminist hatred of men (misandry).

American society is as misandrist, as Islamic society is misogynist.

Jul 1, 2009 - 12:51 am 56. Reclass:

@48 Thank you (and robotech) for completely missing the point. I don’t want to speak for Ms Chesler, but, in the not too distant past she has described herself as a liberal feminist (and before you pooh pooh this, just google the prhase and look at its real meaning). Aren’t her numerous publications and the very article that has stimulated your little grey cells proof of her engagement? This is NOT just about the past–although that is undoubtedly important. I am sure you owe Ms Chesler respect for acting in the present? She has surely demonstrated her credentials?

P.S. My review of the past, as you so demeaningly put it (way to alienate people in your own camp), also informs me that bra burning was largely a myth. And there you go again stereotyping us all with the hairy armpits scenario. (have you even heard of third wave feminism?–if you have a daughter, she would probably fall into this category–how terribly alarming for you!) And robotech master, I was not talking about feminist “groups” that you refer to in your post. There are a lot of individual feminists without a home out there who have been alienated by the radical fringe. Moreover, I understand all too well about the real world (and history, thank you) and understand that extremists highjack language in attempts to deny people an identity and a voice. There is no need to be more specific or to point fingers here. I am sure we all know to whom I am referring.

Jul 1, 2009 - 1:56 am 57. watcher in the dark:

Why are we still surprised Al Qaeda makes threats?

Do fish swim? Does the left hate people?

It is what they do. It’s what makes them get up in the morning and feel good about themselves.

Jul 1, 2009 - 2:34 am 58. Macko:

muslims don’t hate women. they fear them.

Jul 1, 2009 - 4:49 am 59. Tina Trent:

How tedious, this shrill, blanket condemnation of feminism. Facts matter: legal reform barring discrimination was the original and terminal goal of most feminists, and that it was accomplished was good. The right to vote, anyone? Other activism re-establishing inequity was and is divisive. And “hating men”? Hairy armpits? Spare us. Bother to take the time to direct you complaints accurately, at the increasingly depopulated, though anointed, feminist groups that actually behave as you say they do.

Anyone who still wishes to issue blanket accusations should first provide evidence of what they have done to oppose gender apartheid. Many feminist groups have toiled alone on these issues. Imperfectly? Certainly, in some cases. But what have you actually done?

Whining on a comments thread does not count.

Here are two off the top of my head: The Feminist Majority Foundation; the European-based “Atlanta Plus,” a coalition of women’s groups opposing the participation of nations that practice gender apartheid at the Olympics. Feminists all, and on the issue long before anyone else.

Jul 1, 2009 - 6:25 am 60. Marie Claude:

Delia

Recteur de la mosquée de Paris :

“La burqa n’est pas dans le Coran”
Le recteur de la Mosquée de Paris Dalil Boubakeur a réagi ce matin sur Europe1 après l’appel d’une soixantaine de députés à interdire le port de la burqa. “Le port de la burqa ne répond pas formellement à une prescription de l’islam. Ce mot n’est pas signifié dans le Coran” a t-il précisé d’emblée. “Il n’y a aucune raison en France, ni religieuse, ni social de porter un vêtement aussi étranger à nos traditions”, a t-il déclaré. Interrogé sur la nécessité de légiférer sur cette question, Dalil Boubakeur a estimé qu’”une loi sur la burka s’opposera à d’autres lois qui sont celles de la liberté d’expression, de la liberté des droits de l’homme. Il y aura un conflit de loi.”

I am for this law, we don’t want to get cops or nurses with veils

Jul 1, 2009 - 6:39 am 61. Marie Claude:

“That is why women don’t develop breasts before puberty and those decay at menopause.”

Decay ?, umm long time ago !

Jul 1, 2009 - 6:40 am 62. JFM:

In terms of banning the burqa etc., the great French state will use legal means to attack women who are terrorised to wear these things, so they are terrorised by the French state or by Islamic males, another cowardly cop out.

That is what you say when you sit safely behind an ocean. Present situation is that males of North African stock are pressured by the Islamists to “persuade” their wives and daughters or else…. Present situation is that both women and those males feel that the French state ius indiuffernet to their plight and wioll not a finger too stop this abomination. Presnt situation is that banning the burkha gives them pretext to resist.

Present situation is that Islamists neeed a lot of women wearing burkas and hijabs in order to indtimladte the rench poulation and state thanks to their numbers and the inensity of their control over the people from North-African stock. Present situation is that people of North African stock need a message from the French state telling they will get its supportt against the Islamists.

Jul 1, 2009 - 7:01 am 63. Marie Claude:

uh I mean it’s no more true, with medecine progress, sport practices…

Jul 1, 2009 - 7:45 am 64. fear Obama:

Michelle Obama would look great in one of those.

Jul 1, 2009 - 7:53 am 65. Marie Claude:

tiens, David H, I missed your rant, may-be it wasn’t significative enough, besides JFM responded it partly as far as the muslims purpose.

I’ll add since a few decades ago there weren’tt such a radical islamist among the maghrebin population, the muslim brothers were limited to Saudi Arabia (who, I recall you, is the best american friend and foe)and Egypt

There is already a law in France that bans covering your face except when at a carnival, as per normal it is the failure of the French state to apply existing laws that is the issue.

the veil law was for the schools and the administrations, now,as far as burkas, it’s for any public places, even streets

Also, a law just passed for the rioters, they mustn’t covert their heads with hooks, otherwise they’ll get a 1500 € fine

Jul 1, 2009 - 8:33 am 66. Strawman:

How tedious, this shrill, blanket condemnation of feminism

As opposed to the shrill, blanket condemnation of “the patriarchy”? At least feminism is something tangible. “The patriarchy” is the ultimate conspiracy theory wrapped in a red herring about a unicorn pinata.

A group whose vanguard deals in such spray painting of half of humanity shouldn’t be surprised when they get some of the overspray.

Jul 1, 2009 - 9:03 am 67. DangerousDave:

I think the French would be (justifiably) more worried if Hezbollah made such a threat.

Jul 1, 2009 - 9:11 am 68. Delia:

55. Evil Pundit,

I do not hate men. Quite the contrary. I grew up with a ‘man-hating’ mother and I know what ‘hate’ is but I ain’t ‘it’.

60. Marie Claude,

*sigh* Translation? Désolé, je ne parle pas français, doll.

Jul 1, 2009 - 9:28 am 69. Samizdat:

Ked 5 at #53,

Good point, their ethics are entirely situational. Please note, I am not condeming women like Delia above who are speaking out. I am going after the Mouth pieces, the Gloria Steinem types who are intellectually and morally bankrupt.

Contrast their ethics with the dozens of Conservatives who are demanding Mark Sanford resign because of his infidelity. I felt the same way about Bob Livingstone and Senator Ensign. These people don’t have the moral authority to be leaders and lawmakers. They are a disgrace and need to get their own lives in order before they start telling the rest of us what to do.

The same goes for the radical Islam types.

Jul 1, 2009 - 9:40 am 70. Reclass:

Thank you Tina

Jul 1, 2009 - 9:40 am 71. Marie Claude:

66, umm you’re disgressing, what about this very topic ?

Jul 1, 2009 - 9:55 am 72. Marie Claude:

Delia, globally our official muslim responsibles said that the Koran doesn’t say that the women must wear a veil or a burka

Jul 1, 2009 - 9:56 am 73. Delia:

68. Samizdat,

Thank you. I’ll never, EVER be a FEMINAZI and I agree that there are a lot of women who are supposedly for ‘women’s rights’ who are just a bunch of lamerz lining their purses with blood money.

What I’m frustrated with and disgusted over is how many women in ‘other’ countries [and 'here' too for that matter] are treated as ’second class’ citizens.

My ‘MOTHER’ rant was addressing the unfairness that still exists in our society. When are ‘breasts’ going to stop being ‘fun bags’, but, rather functional equipment? Sorry, but I’ve seen so many men walking around topless with man-boobs [MOOBS] that I could PUKE.

Did I go off topic?

Jul 1, 2009 - 10:00 am 74. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

Delia, this is the internet. Boobs are never off topic.

Jul 1, 2009 - 10:35 am 75. Scott:

In #40 Delia wrote:

“Men can be such morons. They are the ones with the ‘bulges’ that can ‘grow’ after all.

To this day, even in the USA, our society dictates that men can go ‘topless’ and women can’t and some asshats ‘freak’ over women breast feeding in ‘public’ [gawd frecking forbid that a woman's breasts are actually used for their PURPOSE].”

———————–

The reason women can’t go topless in most public places is that their breasts are a “sexual focus” where a man’s chest is not. While a muscular chest may be considered “sexy” by women its more connected to “muscles” and “physical prowess/strength” and the ability to provide than actual sex. Blame it on the way men are mentally/sexually “hardwired” or social upbringing but we’re easily distracted by “boobies” and I personally think its more because of public safety rather than anything else.

I mean do you really want a bunch of idiotic males (especially the teenage variety) driving down the highway or your local street paying more attention to some woman’s breasts than the roads? People complain about cell phones and driving now, “boobies” would lead to a automotive Apocalypse.

As for breast feeding, its just not really polite/genteel behavior to feed in public when there are alternatives. Its also just silly to stuff your child under your shirt or a blanket like your running a “pig in a poke” play. As for whipping out the breast and letting the kid have at it see the above explanation. Most people who breast feed have a pump kit for those times where the mother cannot feed the baby and the father has to, is it really that onerous for you to prepare a bottle or two for a family outing?

Jul 1, 2009 - 11:01 am 76. annie b.:

Don’t worry, France will turn tail and run..they only take a stand when it comes to hating Americans and loving cheese.

Jul 1, 2009 - 11:10 am 77. Marie Claude:

annie b, you’re probaby right, but persons like you deserve it though

Jul 1, 2009 - 11:35 am 78. Marie Claude:

The reason women can’t go topless in most public places is that their breasts are a “sexual focus” where a man’s chest is not

it wasn’t the case in Africa, neither for the Pacific islands just a century ago.

I bet that these people were thinking the same thing of our missionnaries, some kind of integrist bigots

Jul 1, 2009 - 11:41 am 79. Cheese-eating surrender monkey:

Annie, you got told.

Jul 1, 2009 - 11:45 am 80. Delia:

73. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

“Delia, this is the internet. Boobs are never off topic.”

LMAO!

Jul 1, 2009 – 10:35 am
74. Scott,

What about ‘man boobs’? Some dudes have a SERIOUS set of HOOTERS that even women would be jelly of. lol

Jul 1, 2009 - 11:47 am 81. But they WANT to wear it:

Maybe France should give the Islamic women the same RIGHT to decide if they can wear a burqa that they have in their own country – so since they seem to HAVE NO RIGHTS TO DECIDE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY they shouldn’t have a voice in what they are allowed to wear in France.

Jul 1, 2009 - 12:00 pm 82. Reclass:

#65 You are quite right: blanket condemnation of men is intellectually bankrupt, just as blanket condemnation of feminists is less than enlightened. But, just as I decry the feminism that seems to believe it gives women carte blanche to behave just as badly and to sink to the level of those which it sometimes justly criticizes, I would caution about throwing stones in glass houses ;>

#68 The logic of your point surely is that SOME conservatives and SOME feminists are morally bankrupt. (Tina having already pointed out that some feminist organizations have criticized the practices we are discussing and you having elucidated your own and others criticisms of the conduct of people such as Sanford.) I would add that at least one feminist group in France has come out in favor of Sarkozy’s proposed ban.

Jul 1, 2009 - 12:11 pm 83. Typos_R_Us:

No need to worry about when the revolution starts any more. It will be the day after 30 million Soccer moms find out that have to wear burlap sacks and can’t drive anymore.
Any politician foolish enough to think they can ignore millions of pissed off soccer moms will soon be learning the ropes in the field of private enterprise.
Anyone in front of a soccer mom trying to get to the field before practice ends knows how dangerous soccer moms are. A reasonable person would not cause trouble with that class of fem. An unreasonable person would only do it once.
My favorite bumper sticker was on the back of a Hummer, right next to the soccer ball sticker. It said, “If we have a collision, I win”

Jul 1, 2009 - 2:20 pm 84. Delia:

77. Marie Claude:

“The reason women can’t go topless in most public places is that their breasts are a “sexual focus” where a man’s chest is not”

Ohhhhhhh. Ohhhhhhhhhhh. I dunno. I find a man’s bare, hairy chest quite visually ‘appealing’. I think ’sexy times’ quite often when I see a man’s bulging pectorals. lol

Jul 1, 2009 - 2:32 pm 85. Scott:

#77 MC wrote:
“it wasn’t the case in Africa, neither for the Pacific islands just a century ago.”
———————

Have you seen any National Geographic photos of said peoples lately? Most of them look like pancakes with nipples…or man boobs. See below for my sentiments on man boobs.
———————-

#79 Delia:

What about ‘man boobs’? Some dudes have a SERIOUS set of HOOTERS that even women would be jelly of. lol

———————-

“Man boobs” are not attractive, I repeat NOT ATTRACTIVE and a rigorous campaign started to make sure that all men possessing them be required to wear a shirt in public or face fines and penalties. Female breasts just cause a temporary interruption of oxygen to the heterosexual male brain that can result in periods of clumsiness, stupidity, speech impairment, and a catatonic like state in which the breast is their sole focus. “Man boobs” can cause blindness, nausea, vomiting, nightmares, and little children to cry. Just say no to “man boobs”.

Jul 1, 2009 - 2:37 pm 86. Marie Claude:

80 tu te fous de notre gueule ! on est chez nous, jusqu’à présent we, the provincials had to obbey to our central power, our catholic religion was enough annoying, I don’t want that a worst is gonnat replace it ; so aux armes citoyens

Jul 1, 2009 - 2:40 pm 87. myth buster:

I think we can all agree that some degree of modesty is reasonable. Don’t impose an undue burden on women trying to breastfeed their babies, and don’t shove it in our faces either. There is no reason to take pictures of it, as some have been known to do.

Jul 1, 2009 - 3:28 pm 88. Delia:

84. Scott,

Your post seriously made me laugh a tinkle out!

Oh man! *wipes tear*

TOO FUNNAYYYYYYYYYYY!

Ha-ha! You guys and gals are the bestest! My face hurts though!

85. Marie Claude,

If you only give a man a ‘peck on the cheek’ is that still considered a ‘French Kiss’?

Sorry, couldn’t resist! tee-hee

Jul 1, 2009 - 6:29 pm 89. Nisky:

You people did not get the point the fundamentalist and the extremist like al Qaeda and Taliban were the most religious people on earth they were the one following the Koran as what the Koran tell them to do like kill the infidel, some other Muslim were just luke warm or just the cheerer of their team.

Jul 1, 2009 - 8:04 pm 90. no hyphen american:

I think France is like the rest of us..we are afraid that it’s not just a body under the burka. boom!!!

Jul 1, 2009 - 8:10 pm 91. Marie Claude:

Delia, the thing is that you don’t give the same picture sense for “mouth”, it is evident in this parody of Paris Hilton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZa6NLqqJaI

or we could sum it up with Billy the kid’s adventures in Washington

Jul 2, 2009 - 12:34 am 92. Marie Claude:

Boobs are not a problem if all the women were walking with nude breast, it’s a mental conditioning to see them as sex-appeal symbols.

I remember when the fashion of the nude breasts appeared in the seventies at the sea-side resorts, they were a “curiosity”, and finally when the habit of showing them got popular, people paid less attention to them. But it was a “shock” for the firsts.

I was working on a cruise ship, and the Cie had hired some models for a cruise thema on how to make “artistic photos” with models. There were not enough customers to fill the booking listing, then it was decided that another group would complete it : the “Damart clothes” (clothes for elders).

It was funny to watch the elder men rallying around the “working” sessions for the amateur photographs. And the grannies went to complain to the Commandant for the “scandalous” behaviour of the young women. They couldn’t get their hubbies for dinner or whatever excursion they wanted to make with them.

The models happened to know about the complaints, and decided to serve with nude breast behind the buffet !

I can’t say I wasn’t schocked too, my education didn’t prepeared me for that. Though I got in use with the habit, it didn’t disturb me anymore, even if I myseld chose not to follow these new habits

Jul 2, 2009 - 1:14 am 93. Marie Claude:

uh what do you think of that ?

“Italian Olympic swimmer Flavia Zoccari was forced to sit out a championship race at the Mediterranean Games yesterday after her bathing costume burst open in a very unfortunate place. ”

one can only see a bit of her bottom

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1196792/Top-Italian-swimmers-horror-bathing-costume-bursts-open-unfortunate-place-championship-meet.html

Jul 2, 2009 - 2:48 am 94. susan:

““it wasn’t the case in Africa, neither for the Pacific islands just a century ago.””

LOL, the fwench resident thinks imitating AFRICA and the pacific islands of 100 years ago is the way to go.
Please if FWANCE wants to imitate AFRICA, go on.

The rest prefers evolution.

Jul 2, 2009 - 5:46 am 95. David H:

JFM, what ocean is that, when last I looked out of my window it was France and what do I see now, not a burqa, but a hijab, in a French city. Is that close enough for you… It might be as you say, but in Europe they pass laws all the time, but its only those that impact law abiding people that get properly policed, so on that basis if you have any faith in that law think again, but I quite agree with your reasoning.

Marie Claude, hardly a rant, more likely what will happen from past experience, I am truly fascinated to see how the French police will carry this out in those difficult areas, that is not to say that I am knocking France for them as they exist all over Europe, its something to do with celebrating cultural diversity, diversity is good, even if it means the streets are no longer safe. You really are a most strange person, I couldn’t agree more with post 85, tiens tiens tiens…

Jul 2, 2009 - 6:56 am 96. Paul -Indiana:

From #26. The al Qaeda terroists should wear the hijab–out of shame before the whole civilized humane world and for their trampling and brutalizing of women.

====================
In a way, they do. Every picture I have seen involving terrorists includes having their faces covered. It seems that the ‘brave muslim fighters’, are Not.

Jul 2, 2009 - 8:30 am 97. Marie Claude:

susan do you s**k ? cuz you’re a typical italian racist leech, may-be Berlu affrenchised you in his villa

Jul 2, 2009 - 8:54 am 98. Marie Claude:

“I am truly fascinated to see how the French police will carry this out in those difficult areas”

they just need to be conforted, and not undermined

when they arrested youngs, juges freed thembecuz of the many invoked lefty reasons

Jul 2, 2009 - 9:01 am 99. susan:

still baboon language? what is affrenchised?

And there is no people on the planet more racist than FWENCH who always thought they were better than anybody.

Berlusconi is the most pro-american prime minister of europe, what’s your problem? you are ashamed that your s***y country could produce only antiamerican leeches?

what about the out of wedlock daughter of your s**d mitterrand? aren’t you ashamed?

Jul 2, 2009 - 9:38 am 100. Delia:

Sorry for veering this thread into a ‘boob’ debate.

My bad.

92. Marie Claude,

That poor young woman. I wonder if that had happened to a man if he’d have been disqualified for having a ‘tear’ in the seat of his suit?

P.S. Not all Italians are racists.

Jul 2, 2009 - 9:50 am 101. Marie Claude:

Delia, it might have been an opportunity to eliminate her cuz “However the aerodynamic costume has been the subject of controversy after it was banned by FINA (the International Swimming Federation) earlier this year because it gave swimmers wearing it an unfair advantage.”

and no, not all Italians are racist, but that peculiar one smells

Jul 2, 2009 - 10:22 am 102. Delia:

99. Marie Claude,

Isn’t it strange to think that at one time the Olympics were done in the total ‘nude’?

There’s a going joke and I’m not ‘exact’ on it but it goes something like:

“Nothing will make you more turned off by nudity than going to a nudist camp.” ROTFL!

In ‘nature’, is it not a little strange that the ‘male’ animal is usually more ‘attractive’ and ‘flashy’?

What is ‘equality’ between men and women? Common decency? Basic human rights? Respect?

I certainly don’t want to be a ‘man’ and I know I physically could never be a fire fighter even though I’m sure there are some ‘rare’ females who are tough enough for the job.

-But, I digress [too much].

Jul 2, 2009 - 11:18 am 103. Scott:

Equality between men and women is IMO equal treatment under the law. This includes employment and compensation (when things like education and experience are equivalent).

If a woman is able to meet the standards for a job (like Delia’s Firefighter example) then there should be no issues with her doing said job. However if standards have to be lowered to accommodate a woman then that woman should not enter that field or do that job.

Look at it this way, you wouldn’t want a man who was unable to meet the physical demands of fire fighting which many have a bearing on a life or death situation. So why then would you want to change/lower those standards to allow a woman to become a fire fighter? The standards in most physically demanding professions are set for a reason, and those reasons are usually attached to the life and well being of the individual, their co-workers, or those they are servicing.

As for women in front line combat…I’d say no to that unless in some sort of dire situation where every person who can fire a weapon is needed.

Why? Because one of the first things done to a captured woman will be rape. Yes a man can be raped, but it is usually further down the list of brutality and humiliation, sadly for women its pretty much the top of the “to do” list for breaking their spirit. Just look at history, heck look at places like Darfur.

And yes though I’m under forty I’m one of those “dinosaurs” who thinks women should be protected from harm, and that no matter what you do not strike a woman nor suffer a woman to be stuck in your presence. I still open/hold the door for women, I open the car door for my wife, pull out her chair when we go out to eat, give her my jacket, coat, or shirt when she’s cold, and bring her flowers “just because”. I’m also one of the people that believes that keeping my word is important.

Jul 2, 2009 - 12:13 pm 104. Marie Claude:

“In ‘nature’, is it not a little strange that the ‘male’ animal is usually more ‘attractive’ and ‘flashy’?

yes, some even dance (ie tetrao)

“What is ‘equality’ between men and women? Common decency? Basic human rights? Respect?”

equality ? the church until not so long time ago said that women have no soul !

We can’t measure a man in term of equality but of complementarity

it is said that men use more their right brain and women the left’s
say, men would be logical and women emotional

I have constated that men could be logically non sense and women emotionally senseful

Fortunately, it’s not true for all

“I certainly don’t want to be a ‘man’”

for I long time I have regretted not to be a man, well in our society, when I was young, I had a reducted space of experiences and no hope to fulfil a job that was typically said for men. Now, it’s possible, I still regret not being born in the seventies

Jul 2, 2009 - 12:22 pm 105. Dr S McCosker:

Scott: I have had four children and breastfed them all, not fully weaning each child until it was about two and a half (since breastmilk is a great prophylactic against the nasty dehydrating diarrhoea and tummy bugs that kids that age are prone to).

I have breastfed my babies, discreetly, on buses, on trains, on aeroplanes, in church (in a back pew); in a small church I belonged to, I once turned up for communion with my happily-suckling newborn tucked under my shawl; and nobody turned a hair. When I had visitors at home – friends and family – if my baby needed to be fed, did I excuse myself and hide in the bedroom? Nope: I fed my baby and continued the conversation.

If I was at the beach – did I run off to find somewhere to hide? Nope: I fed my baby, right where I was. And my husband basked in the reflected glory of having 1. a wife he deems pretty 2. a wife of proven fecundity 3. a wife who can nourish the baby just as the good Lord intended.

But then I live in Australia, where breastfeeding is encouraged, and women may be seen suckling their babies, quite unselfconsciously, in a corner in a cafe, or sitting on a bench in the middle of the mall when they’re halfway through a shopping trip.

When young babies get hungry, they yell. And yell, and yell, and yell; and they CAN’T wait.

On a crowded bus, which would you prefer? That the infant-in-arms in the next seat screams hungrily and miserably throughout the trip (or perhaps is fobbed off with a ‘modest’ bottle [which is a NUISANCE to prepare and has to be sterilised, kept cool or warmed, etc], or…is tucked in under mother’s shawl or coat, quietly and contentedly feeding?

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Jul 2, 2009 - 8:34 pm 107. Poll: Should The Burka Be Banned In The U.S.? « Ironic Surrealism v3.0 -Mirror:

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Jul 2, 2009 - 9:11 pm 108. David H:

Marie Claude, did you read about that recent attack on two policemen going off duty in St Denis?

On a general note (not to Marie Claude), I find that comment Italians are racist frankly insulting, can you define racist, racist means looking down on someone because of the colour of their skin, or believing in differences between races, which is perfectly logical, after all the average Chinese have a higher IQ then the average European, oooops I am being racist.

Or do you perhaps mean Xenophobic, a irrational hatred of the other due to their different customs that they do not understand, but we have had Muslims living in Europe since the 70’s in large numbers, we have Islam rammed down our throats all the time, I think we understand Islam now, so I would suggest that does not work either.

Next up you will use Islamophobic, but people like me would think it entirely rational to be concerned about Islam, it is not an irrational phobia, after all those guests in a luxary hotel in India were most probably Islamophobic just before they were shot by your definitions…

Perhaps Italians discriminate, its like drinking an excellent Chianti as compared to a terrible one. And if they discriminate what are the parameters used for that discrimination, do they see cultural diversity as adding to their society or destroying the very fabric of their society.

Racist, xenophobic and Islamophonic, definitions used by imbeciles when they are unable to make rational arguments…

Jul 3, 2009 - 1:19 am 109. susan:

“and no, not all Italians are racist, but that peculiar one smells”

LOL, if you are looking for smell, try your own armpit. It’s well known fwench never appreciated the use of soap.

Jul 3, 2009 - 3:33 am 110. Marie Claude:

David H, not yet, but that Guaino’s car(Sarko’s guru) who was accompagning policemen in their guard tour, was stonned the other night

now, policemen will get mini cameras when they go out in these quaters

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2009/07/03/01016-20090703ARTFIG00333-la-police-de-seine-saint-denis-s-equipe-de-mini-cameras-.php

Jul 3, 2009 - 7:34 am 111. Persevere » Blog Archive » Al-Qaeda Threatens France Over Burqa:

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Jul 5, 2009 - 5:06 pm 112. Bandy Burkah:

The sickest thing Obama has done so far is to defend a women’s “right” to cover their faces in America. I regard this as betrayal of women and proof of his dithering about Islam. He might as well sanction polygamy, honor killings and stoning adulterers.

Jul 5, 2009 - 6:55 pm 113. Greenconsciousness:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197478/Sharia-law-UK–How-Islam-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html

Next Sharia courts because “it is their free choice”. Free choice is the biggest hypocrisy of liberals anywhere and it is a reflection of how much woman hatred is internalized.

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