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		<title>By: CT Flynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>CT Flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“get” the burqa problem and do not want women wearing it in America. But that’s because they tend to believe that we are, indeed, at war; &quot;
What tripe. There is no burqa problem - and we are not at war. At the airport I must bare my head, take off my jacket undue my belt, take off my shoes - there is only a burqa appropriate recognition realization - appropriate in some instances not in others. I suggest the face exposed version is the appropriate version in public schools, banks, driving and other forms of public discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“get” the burqa problem and do not want women wearing it in America. But that’s because they tend to believe that we are, indeed, at war; &#8221;<br />
What tripe. There is no burqa problem &#8211; and we are not at war. At the airport I must bare my head, take off my jacket undue my belt, take off my shoes &#8211; there is only a burqa appropriate recognition realization &#8211; appropriate in some instances not in others. I suggest the face exposed version is the appropriate version in public schools, banks, driving and other forms of public discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>continuing: yes, if you want to walk around with your hood on you have that right, people do walk down the street with the KKK garb on, it is called freedom of speech.
as a Liberal I don&#039;t like KKK or racists using the N word or calling woemn sluts whores or bitchs but I do believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of choice.  I work with domestic violence women everyday, many tell me about being beaten, raped, sodomies and watching their children being abused too; and a month later they go back to the perpetrator.  I am sad, sometimes mad and always fearful for them. I don&#039;t believe any of them like being abused but guess what I beleive they still should be free to choose.  I am not for putting them in jail for choosing something I adamantly disagree with.  if you ban the the burqa what is the punishment for a women caught wearing it, jail? a fine? or the same punishment as they get for not wearing it?  we will really help these women by creating a double bind, damned if you do, damned if you don&#039;t. John Moore is the only sane person on this blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>continuing: yes, if you want to walk around with your hood on you have that right, people do walk down the street with the KKK garb on, it is called freedom of speech.<br />
as a Liberal I don&#8217;t like KKK or racists using the N word or calling woemn sluts whores or bitchs but I do believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of choice.  I work with domestic violence women everyday, many tell me about being beaten, raped, sodomies and watching their children being abused too; and a month later they go back to the perpetrator.  I am sad, sometimes mad and always fearful for them. I don&#8217;t believe any of them like being abused but guess what I beleive they still should be free to choose.  I am not for putting them in jail for choosing something I adamantly disagree with.  if you ban the the burqa what is the punishment for a women caught wearing it, jail? a fine? or the same punishment as they get for not wearing it?  we will really help these women by creating a double bind, damned if you do, damned if you don&#8217;t. John Moore is the only sane person on this blog</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labeling is justification for hate mongering, I am a liberal conservative with left right leanings.  I don&#039;t know any thinking person who holds total liberal or conservative views to say The Liberals think this or that is just ridiculous, who are you designating as Liberal or conservative and how exactly do you know what they all think?   I mean I am liberal on many issues, but no one has asked me how I think so who is speaking for all liberals.
and excuse me but where are the laws to regulate &quot;racially charged speech&quot; because I hear it everyday and I don&#039;t see anyone even being questioned and stiffled about it.  who has banned t-shirts with the N word on it?  you mean a school?  a school regulating dress or even your employer having a dress code is fine but as a society if we start banning clothing, how about what you&#039;re wearing?  I think we should outlaw thongs and tanktops open to the navel, turning young women into sex objects, they are being degraded and sexualized, even if they want to wear this, they just don&#039;t  know any better because our culture says you must be sexy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labeling is justification for hate mongering, I am a liberal conservative with left right leanings.  I don&#8217;t know any thinking person who holds total liberal or conservative views to say The Liberals think this or that is just ridiculous, who are you designating as Liberal or conservative and how exactly do you know what they all think?   I mean I am liberal on many issues, but no one has asked me how I think so who is speaking for all liberals.<br />
and excuse me but where are the laws to regulate &#8220;racially charged speech&#8221; because I hear it everyday and I don&#8217;t see anyone even being questioned and stiffled about it.  who has banned t-shirts with the N word on it?  you mean a school?  a school regulating dress or even your employer having a dress code is fine but as a society if we start banning clothing, how about what you&#8217;re wearing?  I think we should outlaw thongs and tanktops open to the navel, turning young women into sex objects, they are being degraded and sexualized, even if they want to wear this, they just don&#8217;t  know any better because our culture says you must be sexy.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found couple of more intersting articles on muslimsvoiceofamerica.com

http://muslimsvoiceofamerica.com/blog/2009/07/honor-killing-and-islam/


http://muslimsvoiceofamerica.com/blog/2009/07/lifting-the-veil-on-the-debate-over-veils/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found couple of more intersting articles on muslimsvoiceofamerica.com</p>
<p><a href="http://muslimsvoiceofamerica.com/blog/2009/07/honor-killing-and-islam/" rel="nofollow">http://muslimsvoiceofamerica.com/blog/2009/07/honor-killing-and-islam/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://muslimsvoiceofamerica.com/blog/2009/07/lifting-the-veil-on-the-debate-over-veils/" rel="nofollow">http://muslimsvoiceofamerica.com/blog/2009/07/lifting-the-veil-on-the-debate-over-veils/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Max Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #88 - Millie: Obviously the &quot;muslimvoiceofamerica&quot; never read the old Testament (i.e. The 5 Books of the Torah). It has sections devoted to &quot;rights&quot; for women and how men have to respect them as women and leave their rights alone.

Don&#039;t have a copy with me, but women were given certain rights about keeping the house, raising the children, handling money and conducting some types of businesses, etc. Remember, Judaism recognized the woman/mother as being the transmitter of the religion to the children, not the father. This was a great departure from other cultures and societies where family descent was patrilinear, not matrilinear.

Also, sex between a husband and wife was viewed as also being a pleasurable act. Female genital mutilation would be abhorent to any Jewish woman, and man, and viewed as torture.

Re &quot;muslimvoiceofamerica&quot;, don&#039;t believe the hype!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #88 &#8211; Millie: Obviously the &#8220;muslimvoiceofamerica&#8221; never read the old Testament (i.e. The 5 Books of the Torah). It has sections devoted to &#8220;rights&#8221; for women and how men have to respect them as women and leave their rights alone.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t have a copy with me, but women were given certain rights about keeping the house, raising the children, handling money and conducting some types of businesses, etc. Remember, Judaism recognized the woman/mother as being the transmitter of the religion to the children, not the father. This was a great departure from other cultures and societies where family descent was patrilinear, not matrilinear.</p>
<p>Also, sex between a husband and wife was viewed as also being a pleasurable act. Female genital mutilation would be abhorent to any Jewish woman, and man, and viewed as torture.</p>
<p>Re &#8220;muslimvoiceofamerica&#8221;, don&#8217;t believe the hype!</p>
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		<title>By: Millie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Millie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Islam is the first religion to grant any kind of RIGHTS and supreme position to women,  according to muslimsvoiceofamerica.

http://muslimsvoiceofamerica.com/blog/2009/04/taliban-false-soldiers-of-islam/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islam is the first religion to grant any kind of RIGHTS and supreme position to women,  according to muslimsvoiceofamerica.</p>
<p><a href="http://muslimsvoiceofamerica.com/blog/2009/04/taliban-false-soldiers-of-islam/" rel="nofollow">http://muslimsvoiceofamerica.com/blog/2009/04/taliban-false-soldiers-of-islam/</a></p>
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		<title>By: joeblough</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeblough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know ... the KKK ghost sheet costume is just an item of apparel too.

I think I have a right to show up at NAACP meetings wearing one -- and the right to sue if they don&#039;t like it.

It&#039;s a &quot;choice&quot; you know. And very modest too.

Ha!

What a load of crap this all is.

1. stop mohammedan immigration
2. deport anyone with the faintest distant connection to any jihaddist organization.
3. monitor the mosques and deport anybody found promoting jihaddi propaganda and/or recruitment.
4. prohibit the operation of mohammedan private schools until after the war is over, until after aggression against western targets has ceased.
5. separate mohammedan criminals from the general prison population.
6. bar mohammedan preachers and mohammedan religious materials from the prison system.
7. hire a small army of non-mohammedan middle-easterners to work for the intelligence services.
8. Require the study of sharia law, mohammedan sexual and religious aparheit practices and mohammedan war doctrines by all members of the police force, the intelligence and armed services
9. prosecute all crimes that smack of mohammedan sexual and religious apartheit practices to the fullest extent of the law (especially the stupid hate crimes laws) with mandatory maximum sentencing for &quot;honor&quot; killings or anything that faintly resembles jihaddi mass murder practices.
10. prohibit the wearing of masks or other face coverings in government buildings, secured places (banks etc), and schools.

And most of all, stop pretending that we are not in a war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know &#8230; the KKK ghost sheet costume is just an item of apparel too.</p>
<p>I think I have a right to show up at NAACP meetings wearing one &#8212; and the right to sue if they don&#8217;t like it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a &#8220;choice&#8221; you know. And very modest too.</p>
<p>Ha!</p>
<p>What a load of crap this all is.</p>
<p>1. stop mohammedan immigration<br />
2. deport anyone with the faintest distant connection to any jihaddist organization.<br />
3. monitor the mosques and deport anybody found promoting jihaddi propaganda and/or recruitment.<br />
4. prohibit the operation of mohammedan private schools until after the war is over, until after aggression against western targets has ceased.<br />
5. separate mohammedan criminals from the general prison population.<br />
6. bar mohammedan preachers and mohammedan religious materials from the prison system.<br />
7. hire a small army of non-mohammedan middle-easterners to work for the intelligence services.<br />
8. Require the study of sharia law, mohammedan sexual and religious aparheit practices and mohammedan war doctrines by all members of the police force, the intelligence and armed services<br />
9. prosecute all crimes that smack of mohammedan sexual and religious apartheit practices to the fullest extent of the law (especially the stupid hate crimes laws) with mandatory maximum sentencing for &#8220;honor&#8221; killings or anything that faintly resembles jihaddi mass murder practices.<br />
10. prohibit the wearing of masks or other face coverings in government buildings, secured places (banks etc), and schools.</p>
<p>And most of all, stop pretending that we are not in a war.</p>
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		<title>By: LOLZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOLZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really stupid article. Women&#039;s rights sure have come a long way in the last century, but I think a lot of Westerners are quick to forget that 90 years ago, women over 16 (or thereabouts) who wore skirts that exposed their ankles or let their hair hang loose were branded as whores. I think the burqa or chador are an outdated customs but let&#039;s not kid ourselves here. 

The idea that women ought to dress modestly isn&#039;t something confined to the Middle East. Read gossip blogs or fashion magazines, watch the news, hang out with teenage girls. You&#039;ll see modern pop starlets being labeled &quot;whores&quot; and &quot;selling sexuality.&quot; You&#039;ll see rape victims being blamed in court for wearing &quot;provocative&quot; clothing. If you truly believe that a woman&#039;s morals can&#039;t be discerned from how she dresses, criticize the burqa to your heart&#039;s content, but don&#039;t pretend that the underlying attitude is specific to Muslims only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really stupid article. Women&#8217;s rights sure have come a long way in the last century, but I think a lot of Westerners are quick to forget that 90 years ago, women over 16 (or thereabouts) who wore skirts that exposed their ankles or let their hair hang loose were branded as whores. I think the burqa or chador are an outdated customs but let&#8217;s not kid ourselves here. </p>
<p>The idea that women ought to dress modestly isn&#8217;t something confined to the Middle East. Read gossip blogs or fashion magazines, watch the news, hang out with teenage girls. You&#8217;ll see modern pop starlets being labeled &#8220;whores&#8221; and &#8220;selling sexuality.&#8221; You&#8217;ll see rape victims being blamed in court for wearing &#8220;provocative&#8221; clothing. If you truly believe that a woman&#8217;s morals can&#8217;t be discerned from how she dresses, criticize the burqa to your heart&#8217;s content, but don&#8217;t pretend that the underlying attitude is specific to Muslims only.</p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
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		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legally speaking, consent under duress is not consent at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legally speaking, consent under duress is not consent at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#83 David S - Actually, yes I can maintain that the burqa is offensive and an incitement to violence.  It is a tool of slavery.  It IS offensive.  It is also a cause of violence to women... by the Muslim men.  It makes it okay for them to indulge in violence against their women.

  I don&#039;t think women will think it is to great a sacrifice to give up the &quot;right&quot; to wear a burqa inorder to prevent its use as a tool of enslavement.  It is a very small price to pay for freedom for these women.  Shall we hoard our freedom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#83 David S &#8211; Actually, yes I can maintain that the burqa is offensive and an incitement to violence.  It is a tool of slavery.  It IS offensive.  It is also a cause of violence to women&#8230; by the Muslim men.  It makes it okay for them to indulge in violence against their women.</p>
<p>  I don&#8217;t think women will think it is to great a sacrifice to give up the &#8220;right&#8221; to wear a burqa inorder to prevent its use as a tool of enslavement.  It is a very small price to pay for freedom for these women.  Shall we hoard our freedom?</p>
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