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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw the movie, Soryaya M.  To say the least, it was extremely disturbing.  Might the situation for women in the big Iranian cities such as Teheran be even marginally better than the small, rural villages such as the one portrayed in the movie?  Or is it just as bad throughout that country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw the movie, Soryaya M.  To say the least, it was extremely disturbing.  Might the situation for women in the big Iranian cities such as Teheran be even marginally better than the small, rural villages such as the one portrayed in the movie?  Or is it just as bad throughout that country?</p>
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		<title>By: Omar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Whitewashing of Soraya M&quot;

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mtapson/2009/06/24/the-whitewashing-of-soraya-m/

&quot; . . . Following Saturday’s screening was a panel discussion, not so much moderated as simply hosted by Iranian novelist Khaled Hosseini, author of the bestselling The Kite Runner, who personally selected the film for the L.A. Film Festival. The panel also included Soraya’s writer-director Cyrus Nowrasteh, starring actress Shohreh Aghdashloo, and Dr. Reza Aslan, billed as an Islamic scholar.
Heading off any concerns about possible Islam-bashing in the movie, Mr. Nowrasteh noted at the discussion’s outset that Soraya is actually a pro-Muslim film, because it shows how a few hypocrites can hijack a religion for personal reasons, not to mention that the story’s victim is herself Muslim. He went on to discuss his personal attraction to the story and the process of bringing it to the big screen. Ms. Aghdashloo eloquently responded to a couple of questions about her personal passion for the role and for addressing the real-world issue of stoning.

The Q &amp; A was shorter-lived than many including myself would have liked, or at least less focused; one question, for example, was directed to Mr. Hosseini about his novels rather than the movie. But the focus really got blurry when Reza Aslan took the mic.

“Well,” he started, “I guess it’s up to me to put this into some sort of historical context.” If only he had, then people might better understand why the outrage of stoning still exists, and why it exists today only in territories in the grip of Sharia, or Islamic law. Instead Aslan proceeded to so dilute any context at all that people told me at the reception later, which he did not attend, that they either had no idea what he was talking about or simply tuned him out. What he did do, in several obfuscating turns at bat, was utterly whitewash Islam, its prophet Mohammed, and Iranian lawmakers past and present of any responsibility whatsoever for the practice of stoning.
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He began by asserting that “many cultures” struggled with the issue of stoning. I nearly interrupted him right there to ask, “Really? Which cultures besides those under the thrall of Sharia law? Do Laplanders stone adulterers? Peruvian Indians? The Watusi? Minnesotans?” Aslan clouded any potential for understanding by claiming that culture, not religion, is responsible.
. . . 
The gist of his message was this: not only is religion inseparable from culture, but the words of, say, the Bible or Quran are utterly devoid of meaning in and of themselves, blank slates upon which we impose our own biased interpretations. Thus, to use one of Aslan’s own examples, if you’re a “misogynistic prick,” you’re going to view the Quran through that woman-hating lens and impose your own meaning upon it, regardless of what Mohammed, supposedly transcribing directly from Allah, actually wrote. Hence, Islam and Mohammed are not responsible for their followers’ misinterpretations, their patriarchal culture is.

No one would deny that religion and culture aren’t closely intertwined (though I would argue that religion influences culture more than the other way around), but puh-leeze – it’s beyond absurd to say that there is no substantive difference between Mohammed’s message and Jesus’, that there is no meaning inherent in their words, or that the massive edifices of their religions have not been built, shakily or not, upon the foundations of those words. It’s also disingenuous to suggest that present-day stoning has nothing to do with a seventh-century religious directive. It’s true that stoning is a pre-Islamic practice not mentioned in the Quran; but the tenets of Islam are based not solely on the Quran, but derive also from the hadith, or the tales of Mohammed’s life, and Dr. Aslan neglected to mention that Mohammed does command stoning as a punishment for adultery in the hadith.

Nonie Darwish, the Egyptian-American author of, most recently, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law, and someone who knows a thing of two about women under Islam, stood in the audience and challenged Aslan at length about Mohammed and misogyny. He acknowledged one minor, innocuous point, but then dismissed her flatly with “Everything else you said is wrong” and handed the mic back to Mr. Hosseini. Not “That’s a common misconception,” or “Let me quote chapter and verse of the Quran to clarify things.” Just “Wrong.” End of discussion.
. . . . 
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Why are we perpetually asked to LIE about the nature of islam and islamic law in order to be accepable in &quot;polite&#039; company? Maybe if someone had spoken  honestly about such matters in pre-revolutionary Iran, they might have avoided the past 30 years of misogynistic hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Whitewashing of Soraya M&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mtapson/2009/06/24/the-whitewashing-of-soraya-m/" rel="nofollow">http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mtapson/2009/06/24/the-whitewashing-of-soraya-m/</a></p>
<p>&#8221; . . . Following Saturday’s screening was a panel discussion, not so much moderated as simply hosted by Iranian novelist Khaled Hosseini, author of the bestselling The Kite Runner, who personally selected the film for the L.A. Film Festival. The panel also included Soraya’s writer-director Cyrus Nowrasteh, starring actress Shohreh Aghdashloo, and Dr. Reza Aslan, billed as an Islamic scholar.<br />
Heading off any concerns about possible Islam-bashing in the movie, Mr. Nowrasteh noted at the discussion’s outset that Soraya is actually a pro-Muslim film, because it shows how a few hypocrites can hijack a religion for personal reasons, not to mention that the story’s victim is herself Muslim. He went on to discuss his personal attraction to the story and the process of bringing it to the big screen. Ms. Aghdashloo eloquently responded to a couple of questions about her personal passion for the role and for addressing the real-world issue of stoning.</p>
<p>The Q &amp; A was shorter-lived than many including myself would have liked, or at least less focused; one question, for example, was directed to Mr. Hosseini about his novels rather than the movie. But the focus really got blurry when Reza Aslan took the mic.</p>
<p>“Well,” he started, “I guess it’s up to me to put this into some sort of historical context.” If only he had, then people might better understand why the outrage of stoning still exists, and why it exists today only in territories in the grip of Sharia, or Islamic law. Instead Aslan proceeded to so dilute any context at all that people told me at the reception later, which he did not attend, that they either had no idea what he was talking about or simply tuned him out. What he did do, in several obfuscating turns at bat, was utterly whitewash Islam, its prophet Mohammed, and Iranian lawmakers past and present of any responsibility whatsoever for the practice of stoning.<br />
 . .<br />
He began by asserting that “many cultures” struggled with the issue of stoning. I nearly interrupted him right there to ask, “Really? Which cultures besides those under the thrall of Sharia law? Do Laplanders stone adulterers? Peruvian Indians? The Watusi? Minnesotans?” Aslan clouded any potential for understanding by claiming that culture, not religion, is responsible.<br />
. . .<br />
The gist of his message was this: not only is religion inseparable from culture, but the words of, say, the Bible or Quran are utterly devoid of meaning in and of themselves, blank slates upon which we impose our own biased interpretations. Thus, to use one of Aslan’s own examples, if you’re a “misogynistic prick,” you’re going to view the Quran through that woman-hating lens and impose your own meaning upon it, regardless of what Mohammed, supposedly transcribing directly from Allah, actually wrote. Hence, Islam and Mohammed are not responsible for their followers’ misinterpretations, their patriarchal culture is.</p>
<p>No one would deny that religion and culture aren’t closely intertwined (though I would argue that religion influences culture more than the other way around), but puh-leeze – it’s beyond absurd to say that there is no substantive difference between Mohammed’s message and Jesus’, that there is no meaning inherent in their words, or that the massive edifices of their religions have not been built, shakily or not, upon the foundations of those words. It’s also disingenuous to suggest that present-day stoning has nothing to do with a seventh-century religious directive. It’s true that stoning is a pre-Islamic practice not mentioned in the Quran; but the tenets of Islam are based not solely on the Quran, but derive also from the hadith, or the tales of Mohammed’s life, and Dr. Aslan neglected to mention that Mohammed does command stoning as a punishment for adultery in the hadith.</p>
<p>Nonie Darwish, the Egyptian-American author of, most recently, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law, and someone who knows a thing of two about women under Islam, stood in the audience and challenged Aslan at length about Mohammed and misogyny. He acknowledged one minor, innocuous point, but then dismissed her flatly with “Everything else you said is wrong” and handed the mic back to Mr. Hosseini. Not “That’s a common misconception,” or “Let me quote chapter and verse of the Quran to clarify things.” Just “Wrong.” End of discussion.<br />
. . . .<br />
______________</p>
<p>Why are we perpetually asked to LIE about the nature of islam and islamic law in order to be accepable in &#8220;polite&#8217; company? Maybe if someone had spoken  honestly about such matters in pre-revolutionary Iran, they might have avoided the past 30 years of misogynistic hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phyllis, sadly all your truth telling to me seems worthless. I say this because I experienced just this week being the truth teller. And while I had the facts and even the support of the (jewish) women on the very issue I was bringing forth, suddently (and not of my interjecting into the conversation) not even in the next breath but in the same I then heard, &quot;Wait! They are bringing this to Obama? Well he can do no wrong. The man is just...he can do no wrong. He is just so intelligent. He does everything right.&quot; So yes, I feel defeted. These were older ladies (to me) educated and Jews. We have too large a population of brainwashed citizens that have been brought up to, and passed on to their children, demonize those who do not think and conclude as they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phyllis, sadly all your truth telling to me seems worthless. I say this because I experienced just this week being the truth teller. And while I had the facts and even the support of the (jewish) women on the very issue I was bringing forth, suddently (and not of my interjecting into the conversation) not even in the next breath but in the same I then heard, &#8220;Wait! They are bringing this to Obama? Well he can do no wrong. The man is just&#8230;he can do no wrong. He is just so intelligent. He does everything right.&#8221; So yes, I feel defeted. These were older ladies (to me) educated and Jews. We have too large a population of brainwashed citizens that have been brought up to, and passed on to their children, demonize those who do not think and conclude as they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only recently come across this blog and am always deeply saddened and angry every time I read about these killings.  My question is, what can we as individuals do to help put an end to these barbaric practices? I personally feel overwhelmed by such cruelty and helpless.  We can pass this around to our friends but at the end of the day what does that achieve?  Any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only recently come across this blog and am always deeply saddened and angry every time I read about these killings.  My question is, what can we as individuals do to help put an end to these barbaric practices? I personally feel overwhelmed by such cruelty and helpless.  We can pass this around to our friends but at the end of the day what does that achieve?  Any ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Violet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;We tell children that if they “tell the truth, they will be safe.” But this is a lie. Truth tellers invariably get into trouble. Even in the West, whistleblowers get harassed, maligned, isolated, fired. Those who expose family “secrets” are treated as evil or crazy and are often driven out of the family. The evil-doers are protected, those who expose them are punished. This seems to be a fairly universal phenomenon.&#039;

Can anyone tell me how and why this phenomenon exists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;We tell children that if they “tell the truth, they will be safe.” But this is a lie. Truth tellers invariably get into trouble. Even in the West, whistleblowers get harassed, maligned, isolated, fired. Those who expose family “secrets” are treated as evil or crazy and are often driven out of the family. The evil-doers are protected, those who expose them are punished. This seems to be a fairly universal phenomenon.&#8217;</p>
<p>Can anyone tell me how and why this phenomenon exists?</p>
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		<title>By: Omar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Nowrasteh: 

I had heard through second sources that Resa Aslan was invited to one of the openings of this film to address the audience and that he forthrightly sought to obfuscate and deny the role islamic law plays in such tragedies. I also heard (from the same sources) that the questions of a very knowledgeable and brave woman named Noni Darwish were brushed aside by Mr. Aslan and that Ms. Darwish was shouted down by audience members. Is there any truth to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Nowrasteh: </p>
<p>I had heard through second sources that Resa Aslan was invited to one of the openings of this film to address the audience and that he forthrightly sought to obfuscate and deny the role islamic law plays in such tragedies. I also heard (from the same sources) that the questions of a very knowledgeable and brave woman named Noni Darwish were brushed aside by Mr. Aslan and that Ms. Darwish was shouted down by audience members. Is there any truth to this?</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Nowrasteh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy Nowrasteh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phyllis, thank you for commenting with such clarity and insight on THE STONING OF SORAYA M., a film I co-wrote with my husband, Cyrus Nowrasteh. Our hope was always that it would not only move people as a drama, but that it would inspire discussion and awareness about stonings, as well as their evil cousins, honor killing and female genital mutilation. These practices target females, some as young as five, and are all too common in some parts of the Muslim world. Millions of devout Muslims, both male and female, reject these practices and bravely seek reform. It is their voices to which we add our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phyllis, thank you for commenting with such clarity and insight on THE STONING OF SORAYA M., a film I co-wrote with my husband, Cyrus Nowrasteh. Our hope was always that it would not only move people as a drama, but that it would inspire discussion and awareness about stonings, as well as their evil cousins, honor killing and female genital mutilation. These practices target females, some as young as five, and are all too common in some parts of the Muslim world. Millions of devout Muslims, both male and female, reject these practices and bravely seek reform. It is their voices to which we add our own.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Nowrasteh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy Nowrasteh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phyllis, thank you for commenting with such clarity and insight on THE STONING OF SORAYA M., a film I co-wrote with my husband. Our hope was always that it would not only move people as a drama, but that it would inspire discussion and awareness about stonings, as well as their evil cousins, honor killings and female genital mutilation. These practices target females, some as young as five, and are quite common in parts of the Muslim world. Unfortunately multi-culturalism has blinded many who seem to believe that life everywhere is just a variation on a day in Van Nuys. Tolerating the intolerant and justifying the unjust is weakness and evil pure and simple.  Thanks again, Betsy Nowrasteh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phyllis, thank you for commenting with such clarity and insight on THE STONING OF SORAYA M., a film I co-wrote with my husband. Our hope was always that it would not only move people as a drama, but that it would inspire discussion and awareness about stonings, as well as their evil cousins, honor killings and female genital mutilation. These practices target females, some as young as five, and are quite common in parts of the Muslim world. Unfortunately multi-culturalism has blinded many who seem to believe that life everywhere is just a variation on a day in Van Nuys. Tolerating the intolerant and justifying the unjust is weakness and evil pure and simple.  Thanks again, Betsy Nowrasteh</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My heart mourns for these souls.  How much longer before their cries are heard and their blood is avenged.  I can hardly bear the thought of the others who await the same fate as Soraya Manoucheri.  

I dream of the day where the evil doers will have no place in this world to carry out their deeds and the only people in prison will be those who deserve to be there.  

I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be willing and able to escape an oppressive life but have no where to go, no border to cross, no road that leads to freedom.  I think that most of us in the United States have no idea what that must be like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My heart mourns for these souls.  How much longer before their cries are heard and their blood is avenged.  I can hardly bear the thought of the others who await the same fate as Soraya Manoucheri.  </p>
<p>I dream of the day where the evil doers will have no place in this world to carry out their deeds and the only people in prison will be those who deserve to be there.  </p>
<p>I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be willing and able to escape an oppressive life but have no where to go, no border to cross, no road that leads to freedom.  I think that most of us in the United States have no idea what that must be like.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman Simms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman Simms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phyllis, thank you for being brave. 

Telling the truth does not mean you can&#039;t have or shouldn&#039;t have a human wince at the sight of such terrible punishment.  That you averted your eyes for a moemnt does not mean that you turned away from the truth.  

I fear those who look, not just with glee at the plight of the women they torure, but for those on our side (supposedly) who stare without comprehension and have no feelings of disgust--and rage against the perpetrators.

Norman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phyllis, thank you for being brave. </p>
<p>Telling the truth does not mean you can&#8217;t have or shouldn&#8217;t have a human wince at the sight of such terrible punishment.  That you averted your eyes for a moemnt does not mean that you turned away from the truth.  </p>
<p>I fear those who look, not just with glee at the plight of the women they torure, but for those on our side (supposedly) who stare without comprehension and have no feelings of disgust&#8211;and rage against the perpetrators.</p>
<p>Norman</p>
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