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1. Pragmatist:

ISLAM is as ISLAM does and only the deliberately blind or the stupid cannot see it.

Nov 5, 2009 - 9:44 pm 2. George Jochnowitz:

9/11 and Fort Hood are aspects of the same phenomenon. In both cases, individual Muslims decided to kill lots of non-Muslims because they thought it was a beautiful thing to do. In both cases, there was no strategic or military advantage to be gained for Islam. Similarly, when Hamas launches rockets against Sderot, there is no strategic or military advantage to be gained. Islamists are happy to die so that they can kill. They can’t win anything tangible from their acts of murder–except for gaining the admiration of the whole world. From Sweden to Sri Lanka, the world loves those who are willing to die for utterly selfless reasons. The fact that the killings are pointless just underlines how selfless the jihadists are.

Nov 5, 2009 - 9:48 pm 3. Anastasia:

I”m thrilled that he missed out on martyrdom and that he was taken down by an AMerican GIRL!

Nov 5, 2009 - 11:32 pm 4. jpeditor:

“The moment I first heard about the mass murders at Ft Hood I knew in my bones that the shooter or shooters were Muslims.”

You’re a racist, Phyllis! I KNEW it was those pesky Amish! (/sarcasm off)

“Call me “Islamophobic,”"

As others have noted, It isn’t “Islamophobia” when they really ARE trying to kill you.”

“call me “psychic,” call me what you will.”

How about, NOT A DHIMMIE!

“Major Malik Nidal Hasan, a Muslim man of Palestinian/Jordanian descent but an American citizen who is a physician—a psychiatrist to be exact—as well as a religious Muslim.”

religious muslim = JIHADI

“Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. ‘I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,’ Khan said.”

“Wife wanted – Must want to breed suicide bomber babies, and help me kill infidels between cooking meals”.

He probably found his burka babe. and she said “before you can marry and beat me daily, prove you are capable of real jihad!”

Islam: the REAL gutter religion.

Nov 5, 2009 - 11:47 pm 5. The Jihadist is Always the Victim: the “Backlash, that Dreaded Backlash!” Who Will Save the Poor Muslims Now? — Winds Of Jihad By SheikYerMami:

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Nov 6, 2009 - 1:04 am 6. Dag:

This looks like it’s going to be another instalment in the on-going series: “Utterly baffling hammer attack on nine in Vancouver, Canada.” the version at No Dhimmitude is longer, and it keeps getting longer each month or so. I’m not that happy with up-dating this old post. This pseudo-intellectual approach, asking, “But Why did he do this?” has become a rote response from so many that it’s not even worth mocking any longer. It’s not “critical,” it’s mindless. “Why” is a trivial question now in regard to sjs. It’s not even a question but a mere lead in to rote anti-American cliches. Insanity? Who cares. “Mental illness” is a catch phrase no deeper than “witches.” Our intelligentsia is chock-a-block with Medieval Scholastics. “But the question is, ‘Whyyyy?’” No, the question is not why. The question is, why do we even care to listen to this whinging pseudo-intellectual pap?

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:23 am 7. TomkoKubianca:

I guess it’s time for the PC libtard islamo-apologists to dig up good ol’ Timothy McVeigh again. See Christians do it too!

Never mind that he wasn’t really a practicing Christian and never said he was acting in the service of Jesus. You never saw him running around with a new testament screaming “Jesus is Lord!”.

By the way…I immediately thought the same thing when I heard the first news reports. “Sudden Jihad Syndrome” but I held off judgement until it was actually confirmed. So, No! your not the only one.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:11 am 8. MiamaMan:

No Sufi Muslim Hasan is, for sure, but the result of the brain-washing that takes place in certain Mosques and certain circles in the US, not very differently from abroad.

Put together a frustrated individual, as apparently this Shrink was, and hateful Islam, and Joe Jihad comes up killing his own.

I hesitate to say it, but suspect that the Obama administration, with its passivity in foreign policy, instead of defusing the bomb, has really multiplied it. There is no terror war apparently, Guantanamo won’t scare them anymore, in the meantime, due to pusillanimity, we are losing this war.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:31 am 9. vb:

#2 George Jochnowitz: Your choice of the word selfless is interesting because I think in a slightly different definition, it may hit at the root of the problem. Do Islam and Islamic cultures really value the self of the individual? From what I’ve read, the answer must be, not really. If that isn’t the ultimate source of frustration, I don’t know what is.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:35 am 10. SYD:

So let me get this straight.

Gay Americans in the military = big NO-NO.

Muslim Americans in the military = A OK.

What is wrong with that picture???

Does anyone reasonably believe that Lt. Cjoi was more dangerous to his fellow soldiers than was Hasan?

Oh… and one more thing… last night, as the story was breaking…. Digby was already planting the seed that the murders were probably the actions of some kind of RW, flag waving, militia man:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/ft.html

Even as we were learning that the accomplice was Muslim and had expressed hatred toward the US.

There is something VERY wrong with Liberal thinking… when it jumps to conclusions that are this kind of extreme. To make a point? What point??

You tell me.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:57 am 11. Instapundit » Blog Archive » VICTOR DAVIS HANSON on the Fort Hood Massacre. “While there is sometimes talk of backlash and anti…:

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Nov 6, 2009 - 5:00 am 12. R. Greener:

How is it EVERYONE has an opinion when NOBODY has all the facts… yet? Is it asking too much to wait until you actually KNOW something before coming to a conclusion? For example, how do you know that none of those killed were also Muslims? For those who don’t remember, citizens of 115 countries died in the WTC on 9/11 including people of many religions. At least wait until you get a list of casualties from Ft. Hood before making claims about who was shot there.

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Nov 6, 2009 - 5:27 am 14. joe:

14 American soldiers murdered by muslims ion 5mos. on US soil. It is islam that is the problem the world over. The muslims that settleed here forty yrs ago are not the muslims that are here now and coming here daily. It is time for this to stop.

STOP ALL MUSLIM IMMIGRATION NOW!!!!!!!

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:33 am 15. RandyChandler:

Islam is a religion of peace — unless you happen to be an infidel who gets in a Muslim’s way, then you’re an animal for the slaughter. And if you’re a Jew? Tough luck, then you’re no more than a talking monkey but you don’t even have PETA on your side.

I’ve had just about all I can take of this murderous religion of peace.

The only thing worse than an evil religion is making excuses for an evil religion.

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:47 am 16. Brian Macker:

“Jihadic literature raves about Muslims being attacked (not by other Muslims which is often the case) but by Jews, Americans, Zionists, Crusaders, infidels.”

Why do you keep referring to it has Jihadic? It’s Islamic. The Koran is one long excuse for killing non-members. It a training manual in double standards, false victimhood, paranoid psychotic fantasies, and hatred of non-muslims.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:04 am 17. Brian Macker:

MSNBC reports that CAIR said ”No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence,” which is a total lie. There are plenty of political and religious ideologies which justify and excuse this kind of behavior. Marxists do so. IRA does so. Hamas does so. Fatah does so.

In this case it was Islam that did so.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:10 am 18. barry youngerman:

Phyllis,

Simply put, thank you for the courage you give us. I would never have the fortitude to continue your thankless struggle for sanity and humanity, for women and kids, for all the decent Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, men and women.

Don’t ever lose heart. You are appreciated.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:14 am 19. Aardvark:

Screaming Allah Akbhar before firing might be another clue.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:15 am 20. Bonnie_:

The Army has a problem. Not Muslims; they are what they are. The Army is giving Muslims uniforms and guns and letting them freely walk on our military bases.

And now the Army has forty wounded or dead soldiers. If they remain politically correct, more dead bodies will pile up. Are they really going to do that?

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:24 am 21. Reasoner:

The seminal statement of why NO Muslim can be trusted:

“Islam as violent jihad trumped Major Hasan’s Americanization and more important, trumped his training as both a soldier and as a psychiatrist!”

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:27 am 22. Michael Smith:

Islam is a brutal, insanely murderous, totalitarian ideology that brainwashes its adherents into believing that Allah wants them to subjugate by force — and murder, if necessary — all non-believers. In accordance with this deadly brainwashing, Muslims world-wide are committed to the destruction of western civilization and the enslavement or death of every man, woman and child that resists, to be achieved by any means necessary, including mass-murder by flying jetliners into skyscrapers.

And what has been America’s response to this war that has been declared on us? Why, we’ve committed ourselves to the expenditure of vast sums of our treasury and the deaths of thousands of our military personnel to insure that the enemy’s toilets work, their schools remain open, their hospitals remain supplied and their people are fed — all so that they can select their next tyrant by vote — with our lone hope being that their gratitude for everything we’ve done for them will cause them to spare us in the next wave of violence.

This is the position to which we’ve been reduced by the doctrines of multiculturalism, international diplomacy and political correctness — a package also known as PACIFISM — swallowed by Republicans and Democrats alike. And it will be the death of our nation — unless Obama succeeds in his goal of killing America economically before the Muslims can kill it physically.

Will you really go down without a fight, America? Will you actually permit yourself to be destroyed by so pathetic a clown as Obama or so primitive a doctrine as Islam?

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:32 am 23. tehag:

Are there yet any videos of Palestinians or others firing off their weapons in celebration of God’s warriors striking down infidels?

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:38 am 24. R:

An interesting fact is that most Arab-Muslims are afraid to die. They just fear living more. That’s the structure of the religion. That’s the formula that they have hit on for cultivating the suicide-attacker mentality. And they do it without having to explicitly teach and spread hate.

Let me explain. Like many religions, Islam teaches that all people will be judged after death. The judgment will be severe and will include a balancing of your evil deeds against your good deeds. That sounds like a lot of other religions, but there are important differences. First, though the list of things that will earn you demerits is long, the list of things that can earn merit is short. Second, there is no grace, no redemption, no hope. So as your days go by, you keep adding to your demerits.

Sooner or later your at the point that you sense that you need some sort of once-and-for-all atoning act. Christians would turn to the Cross at this point, and Jews would turn to the Day of Atonement Rituals. That is , they would look outside themselves for their salvation. The Muslim is alone. He has neither Moses nor Christ. He has only the law giver, the rule maker, the Prophet who burdened him with these rules. On top of that he sees know hope for his family. They daily add to their demerits. They are all literally hopeless.

Without any notion of original sin and deluded by socialist propaganda, the Muslim concludes that his evil impulses have somehow been foisted upon him by society, by capitalism, by Jews, by America. He faces an eternal judgment based on personal responsibility, but he can only make sense of his acts from a corporate (or societal) perspective.

Thus, a faint glimmer of hope appears in a potential reformation of society, which entails the elimination of capitalism, Jews, and America as we know it. The Christian Church adopted the dogma long ago that parliament cannot make a man moral, but the hope of Islam hangs on the opposite. Reasoning with infidels has failed to bring about the reformation. The wealth and power derived from the oil reserves in the Middle East has likewise failed to bring about the transformation and shrinks by the day. The answer has to be jihad.

Hence there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. They all hope for a global Islamic state. Some are simply more patient than others. And that’s why our refrain that someone needs to denounce these sort of attacks fall on deaf ears. The act is to be judged by the intent of the actor. However poorly chosen his means were, from a Muslim perspective these attackers are attempting to inaugurate the Kingdom of God, a Holy nation. Why would anyone condemn them?

I admit that this is a broad outline and that I had to make generalizations. The deception of Islam is as subtle and crafty as the Devil who planted in the mind of man. So a detailed description would likely take an entire volume. But trust that the work is being done.

At this moment in history, burying your head in the sand is the surest way to lose it.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:42 am 25. arctic_front:

So? After the dust settles in this incident, what next? They have muslims in all branches of the military who, by most any account, are probably doing fine. How do you realistically weed out the crazies?

I’m not trying to defend them, far from it. But in terms of realistic means, what can you do?

Same goes for muslim immigrants. First off, post 9-11, all muslim immigration should have stopped in a heartbeat. Hasan was a natural-born citizen. How do you deal with that(electric chair notwithstanding)?

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:05 am 26. John P:

This is somewhat reminisicent of the Montréal massacres back in 1989. Just a day or two ago we had the Afgan policemen who turned on his British comrades and killed them. We’ve also had a couple of incidents in Iraq where Muslim soldiers in the U.S. armed forces turned on their comrades and killed them.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:09 am 27. ian:

The standard is always that because a jihdist murderer is angry about something (always something), somehow we are always partly to blame. The act of explaining quietly becomes an act of justification. It’s a passive attitude that reflects moral uncertainty. The first impulse should be to condemn an act of mass murder unequivocally, not to empathize with the murderer, as if having a warped world view that rationalizes mass murder makes the act a matter of proportional culpability. To say that someone is a permanent victim is just another way of saying they are a morally privileged murderer.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:13 am 28. ronnor:

We have a term for this when its at the local Post Office Massacre, its called “Going Postal.”
Lets stop playing games with our lives, its not Catholics or Baptists or any other religion that goes bananas its Islam. Lets get this right it should be called going Moslem, its what they have been doing for over 1500 years, its what they do, its what is required of them, its what they teach and have been taught. The Major went Moslem as he was taught to do.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:13 am 29. Bill Johnson:

As Islam has proven to be detrimental to civilization as well as human life, it is time to disallow Islam as a religion here. Ban the mosques. Refuse to ride in a taxi with a muslim driver. Do not buy from muslim shops. Refuse their assimilation into american society. Turn them away at the borders. Toss ‘em out.

Does this affect many innocent people? Yes, it does. Do we hear them condemning these actions? I haven’t yet. Live by the sword, either die by it or go live elsewhere. This is my country, and if you want in, buy into american beliefs and show it.

We must find a response that these animals will listen to. If that be killing them, fine – they are asking for it. If a muslim wants to lie here in america, disavow any and all of these actions. Do it publicly – sign a petition, stand up in your mosque and rebut the hatred sown there.

Do it, or we’ll do it for you, and it won’t be pretty. Muslims destroyed artifacts of great age and beauty from another religion. Well, the frackin’ kaaba looks like a fine target for explosives. See if they like what they dish out.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:55 am 30. Lynn:

Don’t make the mistake of judging all Muslims as believers. Many are not free to choose and the penalty for leaving Islam is death or imprisonment.

Many Islamic States crack down on their citizens when they strain as the restrictions and heavy burdens that Islam lays at their feet. Many children from the moment their souls are in the hands of Islam hypnotize them with hatred and never show them anything else but love of death.

It would be the deceivers greatest wish for us hate those who have been imprisoned by Islam’s deceit for fourteen centuries. We must fight them with our spirit so that we do not become like them. Our soldiers depend on our being strong and supporting them at this time and we should be showing them that our souls are worth something other than just revenge, when we know that it is so easy to harm the innocents because they are the ones these evil people hide behind.

It is true that just as on 9:ll and so many other terrorist actions taken against the United States that the criminals did not ask anyone what their faith was. All were chosen to die without their consultation. The true believers of Islam do not have regard for even their own so-called brothers and sisters. That tells us that we should.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:05 am 31. Trainwreck:

I remember when these Muslim-convert jailbirds, upon release from prison, decided to bomb a synogogue in Riverdale, but were caught. Like a good dhimmi schmuck, the rabbi said “this has nothing to do with Islam” and made his way to the nearest mosque for a celebration of tolerance. Alas, dumb rabbi, if these jailbirds had become buddhist or born-again Christians in jail, I don’t think they would be laying what they thought were real bombs at your synogogue.

The murders at Fort Hood have NOTHING to do with Islam, you Islamophobe. Or so the powers-that-be want us to believe.

PC=death, but our liberal elites have said that we would rather cease to exist than be seen as ra-cist, so just let the jihadis slaughter you, for they are the real victims here. Just like at my college, when a grad student was murdered by a gang of black teens, a woman from the Christian Association published a letter that blamed the racist attitude of the college and its oppression of “inner city youths” for the murder. These people now run America.

Imagine if the shooter was named Timothy McVeigh Smith III. Before the shooting even ended, the pundits would not hesitate to conjecture on his white supremicism or anti-government extremism, and tie that to the “climate of hate” brought on by Tea Parties, Rush Limbaugh, talk/hate radio, and Fox News.

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Nov 6, 2009 - 8:24 am 33. David W. Lincoln:

Each Son of Allah, regardless of gender, concludes that he, or she, is correct. Ergo, anyone who agrees with him, or her, is correct. Ergo, anyone who does not agree with him, or her, is wrong and different.

Sound familiar?

There are only three avenues available for each member of the dar al Islam (adherents of Islam): 1 – conversion, 2 – dhimmitude, 3 – execution.

Anything else undermines the “Muslim-ness” of
the Muslim.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:30 am 34. Jaladhi:

This is jihad!!! Every Muslim is expected to carry it out. One doesn’t know when some Muslim will heed the call of allah aka Mo and carry out his orders in order to go to paradise/brothel where 72 perpetual virgins are waiting to greet him. I see the ridiculous song and dance put out by MSM and the politicians to describe this horrific terroristic act by this Muslim.They are trying to find 1001 reasons to explain this act of Hasan except the real reason which is the call of jihad. But they won’t say it for fear of offending Muslims and losing their votes. As long as we don’t tell the truth about Islam and keep piping “Islam is peaceful” we will be seing these jihadi acts in our country but the MSM and politicians will dismiss them as criminal acts by mentally deranged people(which can be found in every religion but it is always Muslims who do it and nobody else).

Isn’t that amazing how quick were the media, politicians, FBI in claiming this was not terrorism as no link to al qaeda or other groups were found. How about the terrorism done by a single Muslims who simply do what they are taught from their childhood – hating everybody else who are not Muslims? Since 9/11 how many of such acts have happened all over the country as mentioned by Phyllis and in not a sinlge case it has been called terroristic acts by the government, police, FBI and MSM. They keep denying it and history keeps repeating itself right in front of our eyes!!!

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:32 am 35. Omar:

R #24: great post, thanks.

Artic Front #25: What to do? Well, I think Spencer, as well as various groups like the Center for Social Cohesion in the UK, would have some good advice in terms of screening techniques. What you’re looking for is sympathy/susceptibility to the more supremacist doctrines of islam. Truthfully, I think the gov. already knows what these markers are (witness their apparent monitoring of Hasan’s internet postings as recently as 6 months ago), they’re just too constrained by political correctness to apply them to meaningful effect. Even if we begin screening, however, there needs to be a recognition that the violent supremacist impulse within islam is NOT heterodox. It has broad support within the highest reaches of the religio-political structure. Mohammad practiced it and the hadith are replete with it.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:33 am 36. Pauline:

Has anyone tracked how many Muslim men kill “their” women, (sisters, wives and daughters) here in the USA every year? Or even in the last year or two?

It is hard to track since it isn’t reported!!! I would like to know.

And no, it isn’t racism or islamophobia to want to deal with reality.

This much I DO know..everyone would instantly understand that it isn’t racist or catholicophopbic to worry about Catholics if Catholic “extremists” were calling for the killing of innocent people in the name of God, if Catholics were killing their women because they shamed them, if Catholics had run into our Towers on 9/11, blown up train tracks in Spain and been responsible for virtually every act of Terrorism in the last 30 years, if Catholics were blowing up innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan and enslaving Muslims in Africa, if Catholic Bishops were carefully detailing what was allowable under the New Testament for “punishment”, including loss of limbs, beheadings, flogging and rape….well, I suspect there would be a nationwide nonstop reporting frenzy and outcry until Catholics put a stop to it, wouldn’t there? And those on the side of the innocents and civility would be called not racists, but heros.

Get to it Islam, stop your murderous nutcases! It is time for your reformation!

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:33 am 37. Vinny B.:

What do you expect? For 8 years Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, and Rove told us that Muslims were terrorists and needed to be rounded up and tortured for what was really nothing more than amusement. As a result, peaceful Muslims have become angry that they have no chance here in America and despite being willing to lay down their lives for America, they are castigated. If you want to know who really caused all of this, look no further than Bush.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:57 am 38. RandyChandler:

Give it up, Vinny B. Your “Bush did it” card has expired. If you’re bent on making excuses for fanatic murderers, you’ll need a new one. We could just as easily blame you and all those other PC pushers for making government afraid to respond to verbal threats from pissed-off Muslims. Had the warning signs not been ignored, lives might’ve been saved. Thanks a lot.

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:07 am 39. moho:

They may be right. Sometimes. And yet…The same Instant Personal Jihad Syndrome once led another Palestinian, Sirhan Sirhan, to shoot Robert Kennedy in cold blood. Remember the Seattle shooter who killed and wounded Jewish women? Off his meds, off his rocker, but he knew that he had to hunt Jews down.

Its quite obvious that you must have tenure. The sheer stupidity reflected by this comment, and the resulting association it would have with the institution you teach at, would most likely get you fired from. DO you work for the University of Phoenix?

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:50 am 40. Michael Smith:

Vinny B., your ignorance is on display. Islamic terrorism — firmly rooted in the Koran — predates Bush by some 1300+ years.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:03 am 41. crystal:

This is the most current form of racism. to say that this man’s actions should be considered jihad is absolutely rediculous. i knew the minute someone mentioned his religion this was going to come out and you just proved my hypothesis-that there are still many uneducated people in the world that choose to open their mouth because they think they know whats going on. if anyone studies Islam, you dont even have to do it intensively, just get the ground work, you will know that Islam is a peaceful religion. Its extremist that have given it its bad name. just as the christian crusaders and the Ku Klux Klan did so for christianity. yes he is muslim, but that doesnt mean it has anything to do with his reasons for killing so many people. he was unstable and obviously not in the best health or mind set. if a chrisitan man were to shoot up a store would you say he was doing it in the name of God or descriminate against all other chrisitan men. No, you wouldnt so stop being so narrow minded, read a book, and make educated, non-racist opinion on matters that have nothing to do with religion. if every action that is done by someone is happens to be muslim is going to be considered jihad, it just goes to show how ignorant the majority of people are. its 2009, open your eyes. these perceptions are contritbuting to the racism and descrimination that still exists in many countries, cant you see that.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:20 am 42. davod:

Vinny, Vinny, Vinny:

“What do you expect? For 8 years Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, and Rove told us that Muslims were terrorists and needed to be rounded up and tortured for what was really nothing more than amusement.”

You show your ignorance. The Bush Administration bent over backwards to deny Islam’s relationship to the problem.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:31 am 43. Delia:

How many people were genuinely ’surprised’ that this mass murderer was an Islamist?

Puhlease.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:52 am 44. jerry:

not only that- it is impermissable to talk about it http://breathofthebeast.blogspot.com/2009/11/horrific-outbreak-of-stupidity.html

Nov 6, 2009 - 11:55 am 45. joanne:

COME ON, HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE MURDERED IN THE NAME OF ALLAH BEFORE THE POLITIALLY CORRECT REALIZE THAT WE ARE AT WAR ,HERE AT HOME AND ABROAD WITH RADICAL ISLAMISTS.QUIT MAKING EXCUSES FOR THESE PEOPLE.

Nov 6, 2009 - 12:06 pm 46. Carl:

I hear that there was a shooting just now in Orlando. How much you wanna bet he is muslim too!

You guys are a bunch of idiots. Have there been white people involved in mass shootings? Yes. Have there been Asians? Yes. Have there been muslims? Yes. This guy went to Virginia Tech, maybe it’s Virginia Tech that’s making mass killers.

Nov 6, 2009 - 12:39 pm 47. AtheistConservative:

“You guys are a bunch of idiots”

Really? Idiots for correctly intuiting that a mass shooting at a military institution was done by a Muslim?

Or idiots for not seeing how this has any connection whatsoever to a shooting at a private office or school?

The real idiot is obvious.

Nov 6, 2009 - 12:42 pm 48. myth buster:

Fortunately, this man will face not a PC jury trial, but a military general courts martial. He will be charged with 12 counts of murder, 31 counts of attempted murder and 1 count of treason. He will be convicted and sentenced to death by firing squad, and Obama will not dare commute his sentence to life without parole.

Nov 6, 2009 - 12:48 pm 49. Bryce:

Convienent you “just knew” the shooter was Muslim you write now after its been released in the news. Do you often claim you just knew things before after they have been revealed. Maybe you should start an astrology site that people pay money for your “psychic” powers. Unfortunately there have been a lot of shootings by disgruntled soldiers on military bases and a lot of mass murders in general. We have seen white Christian nuts blow up the Oklahoma Trade Center building and kill 500 innocents and shoot at Synagouges. We have seen Jewish terrorists carry out bombings and murders(Jewish Defense League). We have the Klu Klux Klan and skin heads weaker than in the past but still very much alive. We have seen a small number of black supremist attacks, and most of them would hve been at least raised Christian. We have seen Christian Right extremists bomb abortion clinics and murder doctors. We have seen black white and Mexican gangs kill each other in prison and on the streets. And whites are really just involved in the gang violence as any other group. We saw ignorant people beat and kill Sikhs after 9/11 because they were so ignorant they thought Sikhs were Muslim. We have seen a Korean Man and a Hmong man flip out and kill a bunch of people. We have seen a Korean woman shoot a young black girl in LA becasue she mistakenly thought she was shoplifting and we saw primarily black rioters burn down Korean stores. We have seen some ultra Leftist groups commit acts of violence though usually not with the intent to kill a lot of people. We have seen Scientologists slander and even murder their opponents. We have seen people of every race and religion commit acts of murder. Some mentioned religion as a motivation others appeared to be moved by no motive at all. So just what does a terrorist look like. For all of you convinced only Muslims are terrorists keep in mind many Muslims are white Americas “friends” the Bosnians and the Albanians for instance, some Arabs also look pretty white as European people are descended from the Middle East. Lets put all this in perspective. America has a problem with violence and a problem with racism and you are only adding to it

Nov 6, 2009 - 12:50 pm 50. Karl:

did you just know the shooter at Columbine was Muslim sorry hes not. How about Virginia Tech not Muslim. How about Oklahoma City bombing 500 killed a white Christian American

Nov 6, 2009 - 12:53 pm 51. yaacov Ben Moshe:

Idiots indeed, name me one other group that shouts the name of God while slaughtering innocents. For that matter, the dolt at Virginia Tech was flirting with Islamism. There is only one religion on earth that places all others into a sub-human category and approves of their slaughter. Those not paying attention are not just idiots, they are doomed.

Nov 6, 2009 - 12:58 pm 52. Saltherring:

Why do we allow followers of Islam into this country? Soon we will be like western Europe, where citizens are held captive by threats (and acts) of criminal violence and Jihad. Arm yourselves, folks, before it is too late.

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:24 pm 53. Z Budapest:

Let me change this paradigm. Individual cases like this can blind us from the BIG picture, which has been the elephant in the room for centuries.

Women lived under male gender terrorism for a long, long, long time. Unsafe to go to the well in antiquity, unsafe to go out at night in modern times, unsafe now to be married to a man, unsafe to be a woman under the rape culture. This kind of terrorism against women and girls is seen as normal. I am talking about the rising violence against women on the streets, at home, and in our military on and off USA soil. Gang rapes against a woman is now a “normal” tool of war. From the female gender’s point of view All male god religions are related by their hatred of women.
They are all preaching one thing and doing something opposite. Religions have failed to civilize the male gender universally. Male gods do not ensure peace and prosperity. In fact religions often passionately endorse wars. The muslims die to get laid by 72 little girls, virgins. Pedophilia to them is what heaven is made of.

Arabs in Delfur gang raped thousands of women, so did Serbs in Kosovo. Muslim Wahhabist types burry women alive in Afghanistan. In Pakistan, a man burned his wife alive for giving birth to two daughters and not sons. The ignorant ungrateful S.O.B. didn’t know its his sperm that determines the sex of his child. So they may be praying up a storm in their place of worship, but their male god religion didn’t form a more humane character for these men anywhere in the world. Male religions get an F for achievement.

Christians stopped burning women at the stake only after seven hundred years of doing so. Male god religions have failed to civilize the men.
On top of it both Christians and Muslims are expansionists. This attitude of being so much better then women and infidels give them permission to kill and feel good about it. Extend their influence. Lord over other peoples lives. Dominate. Is that a religion?? I think not. Its just an excuse to hurt women and men, and leave children orphans, sell them on the pedophilia sex market, especially the girls.

Contrast these with the brouhaha about USA men killing each other, and how much press that is going to gather.

Attack the premise of their religion! Attack the lies they are fed daily how killing girls and women and Americans is the will of Allah. It is not. This huge permission to dominate women and men is what attracts men to the Wahhabist Muslim faith. Who would resist being told “you are superior” five times a day. You are the god you worship? Women see through you buster. ! May patriarchy fall. Not soon enough.

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:29 pm 54. Fort Hood Round Up « The Quantum Conservative:

[...] *The Jihadist is Always the Victim, by Phyllis Chesler. [...]

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:34 pm 55. Laura:

PTSD my ass, this guy never experienced combat. This sick politically correct media we have refuses to acknowledge the truth and is always there to provide cover and propaganda for our islamic jihadist enemies.

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:41 pm 56. ‘Allahu Akbar!’: The Wingnut Right Has the Jihad Nugget They’ve Been Hoping For:

[...] some smug delight, from a horrible woman (via the Awl): The moment I first heard about the mass murders at Fort Hood [...]

Nov 6, 2009 - 2:01 pm 57. walterc:

This guy is proof that no muslim can be trusted to not make the turn from American – muslim to muslim that lives in America.

It’s like raising a tiger cub, may seem docile, but can never be trusted, because it is a wild animal and can turn violent without notice.

Any one that lives by the koran is subject to becoming a jihadi without notice.

Nov 6, 2009 - 2:18 pm 58. Brigitte:

Prior to the 9/11 attacks, Ft. Hood was an open base. Anybody could drive onto the base, but after the 9/11 attacks, the base became a closed base with limited access to only those that had base passes on their vehicles and ID cards to prove they belonged on base. Why wasn’t the base closed until after the 9/11 attacks? Because the base is massive, with the ranges sometimes backing up to motorpools of vehicles. To close the base, gates had to be built, including the main gate, which is four lanes of traffic entering the base. To close the base, multiple layers of fencing and other security measures had to be put into place. So, if it was so much trouble to secure the base, why do it in the first place? After the 9/11 attacks, Ft. Hood became a closed base because it is at the top of the list for terrorist attacks (including nuclear). With over 50,000 troops assigned to Ft. Hood, it would make a great place to attack. The administrative center for incoming troops and support for dependents and retirees has at least a a thousand people in that building at all times…including, soldiers and their families. Having grown up at Ft. Hood, I remember the base before 9/11. As a police officer during the 9/11 attacks and afterward, I remember being briefed about what would happen if Ft. Hood was attacked….and I was a cop in a city over 150 miles away. When I heard the news report, I wondered if it had been a jihadist that had infiltrated the military. In the end though, I believe the system failed everybody. This man should not have been on the deployment list and should had been dismissed from the field of psychiatry as well as the military. He gave all the warning signs of a person with psychosis and nobody (not even his peers in the field of psychiatry) stood up and took notice.

Nov 6, 2009 - 2:27 pm 59. Eileen Clark:

Look up Fort Carson Murder Spree in Colorado…..WHITE CHRISTIAN boys in the military who suffered from PTSD as a result of this awful war. Its not Islam that causes these tragedies. Its the horrors of war, along with the desensitization we as a country have created through glorifying violence in movies and video games.

There are radicals in EVERY religion. Take a look at “Jesus Camp”. That should give you a good indication of religious zealots that are of the Evangelical persuasion.Stop blaming the “brown people”because of your inherent digust of anything that may be different than you. Blame the greedy corporate war mongers,the gutless media,and the ignorant racism which seems to pervade throughout. All of this, along with profit motivated agendas perpetuates war. Using scare tactics and false rhetoric only serves to harm humanity.

Nov 6, 2009 - 2:51 pm 60. MiamaMan:

53. Z Budapest:

Curva oñat!

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:02 pm 61. MiamaMan:

49. Bryce:

[We have seen white Christian nuts blow up the Oklahoma Trade Center building and kill 500 innocents...]

Pally Brice, McVeight’s motives had nothing to do with “Christian nuts”, he wasn’t a practicing anything, stop spreading nonsense.

If anything McVeight quoted Thomas Jefferson all the way to his death: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants”.

His beef was with the federal government, no Christian conspiracy here.

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:09 pm 62. Nick:

I wonder how many jihadists (in the sense of violence prone Islamic fanatics bent on converting or killing ‘infidels’) there really are? You say ‘millions’. I doubt if there are more than a few thousand. What’s your source? Do you distinguish between Taliban (who seem pretty locally focused) and Al Qaeda? That said, I do think Muslims must ask what is it in their culture or religion that seems often enough to make the answer to problems an excuse to kill non-believers. Christianity went through that phase too — the Crusades. And the pogroms which went on until the mid-twentieth century. Such cruel, arrogant and dangerous behavior in the name of religion — whether fundamentalist Muslim or fundamentalist Christian — is never excusable. Slowly we are growing as a species beyond such bigoted behavior, slowly becoming more secular, surrendering the comfort of pat certainties such as trying to take the Bible or the Koran literally, and exchanging these childish thoughts (pace St. Paul) for wonder, science, tolerance and compassion. And yes let’s not brush aside assigning causes and responsibility in the name of political correctness. But as we look deep, I think we will see a reflection of ourselves…Do not fall for the easy bromide of self-righteousness and anger. These are tough, sad, challenging issues.

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:20 pm 63. Common sense:

There is good reason for someone to be cautious concerning muslims. The religion spreads stupidity and barbarisim. The U.S. should take an official stance against the religion and stop trying to be so politically correct!

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:43 pm 64. John:

>>> “I knew in my bones that the shooter or shooters were Muslims. Call me “Islamophobic,” call me “psychic,” call me what you will.”

Is that really a line you want to cross publicly? I mean, recent history would make one immediately *suspect* some connection to fantical Islam, but to say you *knew* it…?

That says something about you that I’m not sure I’d want people thinking about me.

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:45 pm 65. vera:

I am so sick of the “mental health” meme being played out in the media. The man did not have “pre-traumatic stress disorder.”

He was a terrorist. Period. The only question that remains is if he acted alone or as part of a group. If I hear one more reporter question our militaries mental health support, I’m going to scream.

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:53 pm 66. Michael Smith:

“Bryce” and “crystal” are typical apologists for Islam — both trot out the argument that not all terrorists and murderers are Islamic.

True, but utterly irrelevant. The number of people killed worldwide by Islamic terrorists dwarfs by orders of magnitude the number killed by Christians, the Klu Klux Klan, Jews, etc. So it makes absolutely no difference that only 97% — not 100% — of all acts of terrorism are committed by Muslims.

What’s more, there is not an organized “Christian”, “Klu Klux Klan” or “Jewish” movement (or any other kind of movement) comprising millions of adherents that openly advocate the destruction of western civilization and the subjugation/enslavement or mass slaughter of all non-believers.

So save your “apologies” for another, more gullible, more naive audience that is not familiar with the murderous teachings of this insane religion.

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:57 pm 67. MiamaMan:

62. Nick:

Good point.

Islam has a problem with the “West”, nowadays the West is personified by America. Osama Bin Laden’s response to the encroaching West exhibits the same phobias that the Shinto Japanese had between the 2 world wars. Both are cases of what has been termed “Occidentalism”, a stereotypical idea of America that includes fear and envy.

Most parts of the Muslim world have literally “been left behind”. There was a time when they were paired with the West. This is cause for much frustration. It is not, mind you, the West’s fault.

The Muslim Caliphate idea of Bin Laden has been played many times before. For example: Stalin’s purge was an attempt at cleansing. Mao’s cultural revolution to clean the corrupt cities and bourgeoisie by the ascendancy of the country folk. Pol Pot likewise wanted to clear Cambodia of all “undesirable elements”, including foreigners. Not a single one of these attempts have succeeded, on the contrary.

Your statement: [Slowly we are growing as a species beyond such bigoted behavior, slowly becoming more secular, surrendering the comfort of pat certainties such as trying to take the Bible or the Koran literally, and exchanging these childish thoughts (pace St. Paul) for wonder, science, tolerance and compassion]

Organized religion has its place but soon become dogmatic and intolerant. Science is completely inadequate to fix the woes of the world, never mind to explain it. Tolerance and compassion, unless the ego evolves, are ultimately selfish endeavors. It is not an exaggeration to state that the human race has not substantially advanced in thousands of years, as we keep repeating the same mistakes.

The answer is not secularism, but spirituality. As Sri Aurobindo postulated, man is not final.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:55 pm 68. Sam:

Nick. I think you need to take a closer look at the crusaders. Sure they were not neccesarily the kindest of people but certainly they were NOT finding an excuse to kill non believers as you put it. They killed many believing Jews as well as Muslims. None-the-less, their crusades were a response to an offense that lasted dozens of years unaddressed, it was not an offense. In war crazy things happen, overall it was a response to an another time/another place ft. Hood. As a Christian, I am really getting tired of being forced to appologise for the spec and keep getting lectured to swallow the trunk!

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:29 pm 69. anti_hatred:

condolences to the victims of the forthood.

let me coin out something here, seems that you guys have this so much hatred towards Islam due to all these brainwashing made by your own people. Islam children were killed in their own land, you blame them! Islam ladies are raped, molested in their own land, you blame them! Islam people worldwide been oppressed by your propaganda, you blame them!

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:47 pm 70. R. Greener:

#65 Vera – Did you serve in the US military? I did, and for what? To protect freedom for people like you? If I hear one more “stay-at-home patriot” sound off like you … There are 6.4 million Jews in the US and only 3,000 Jews in the military. There are 5.5 American Muslims and more than 15,000 Muslims in the armed forces. There are 5,200 Buddhists serving their country in uniform. You can look it up – 40% of the US Marine Corps is now of Mexican origin. If the US ever looked like it was “your country” those days are long gone.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:02 pm 71. Brian Richard Allen:

“” Taylor continues. ‘… It was “only a matter of time” until “someone” (slaughtered) “a few people” … How well does our military serve the emotional and psychological needs of our soldiers? …’ “”

It provides them the likes of this average-common-garden Muslim/jihadist mass-murderer. That do it for you, Taylor?

Ms Chesler continues: “” ‘Excuse me? It was “only a matter of time until someone took out a few people with him….” Are you completely unaware that “taking others out with you” is the definition of a homicide bomber …?’ “”

Who is known to every other common-garden Muslim/jihadist (and, therefore, potential mass-murderer) — and to his every enslaved-by-Islam and at the treat of her life female family member — as a “suicide,” as a “victim” — and as a “martyr.”

And we permit those blighted by this obscene and murderous ideology to live among us and to be treated as though Islam’s 1400-years-long history of millions upon millions of bloody tortures and rapes and sexual mutilations and murders is the figment of our post-September 11 imaginations.

While meanwhile the Truth remains that we will either call this Evil by its name — and deal with it accordingly — or it will triumph.

For, to borrow from Burke: “All that is necessary for the triumph of Evil is that good men do nothing!”

Brian Richard Allen
Lost Angels – Califobambicated 90028
And the Very Far Abroad

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:09 pm 72. FJAziz:

Anyone who believes in the koran is an idiot.Pure and simple. Big Mo went out to the desert and God came down and told him the koran, and he memorized it.

In one sitting. wow. Big Mo the genius. You don’t have to be stupid to be a moslem, but it sure helps.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:17 pm 73. HellenoChristian:

Very Islamic and Muhammedan: killing those who criticize you. It is a very base of Islam and I am sorry for those who blame Bush, but at the time of Muhammad Bush wasn’t even born yet. Torturing Islamic people? What are they doing since the beginning of their dreadful Ideology? All around the World? Islam is Mafia and it is organized like Mafia.

On the other hand Islamic people are brainwashed and indoctrinated: I think the “strategy” of driving them to reason by questioning, doesn’t work, simply because their brains are paralized by their teachings and their Koran and their “religious” standard formulas, and you can’t expect a flexible (and intelligent – “intelligere” is a Latin verb for “thinking” -) mind from them.

Islam is autistic. And dangerous.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:36 pm 74. Jeffrey:

Let’s face it. It’s hard to be a Muslim. When you have the mark of the beast you are dead and live in world of utter darkness where there is no light. (In other words you have no access to the true God). At any moment you may be commanded by your father the devil to go and blow yourself up or shoot as many innocents as you can in hopes that you can take some of Gods people with you, (well not with you because you are going to hell and they are going to heaven) before some infidel inevitably blows you the devils servant away.
You the devils servant have lived in peace for 39 years and even joined the infidel army only to wake up one day and be asked to go kill some of the people your master hates. Just think tomorrow could have the day you found your mate on the Jihadist dating service.
Instead you must answer the call of your master and trust him (even though you know he’s liar) that he’s got 72 virgins waiting for you although you would have settled for just one, of course you correctly surmise that you’ll get none, but because you are dead already you have no resistance to his will, you do what he asks.
You don’t care about anyone not really; it’s always been you and your master ever since your parents made you a little Muslim and committed your soul to him forever. You never have known true Love,free choice,you have never been enlightened. You’ve heard of Jesus but your master keeps telling you He’s just a prophet and God doesn’t have any Son, Mohammed is the prophet to follow, look he has a building on the Temple Mount.
So you go out and kill as many as you can hoping to please you father so he can reward you for all that you have done.
But wait, Oh No! You’re still breathing well no you but a machine, no virgins, no nothing just infidels all around trying to save you. Sh_t now they know what you are. Well you tried to tell them, you did everything but come out and say you were going to kill on a certain day although you almost did that to. How could your master let you down this way?
You have no defense for yourself you were just doing the will of your father.
Now you know your life was not worth living and that you were only being used to fulfill the murderous dreams and visions of your father the devil. Yet Gods people are kind to you, they will not put you to death, they will feed you and clothe you and take care of you for the rest of your existence.
What fools you think they are, you have always used this weakness against them just as your father taught you, he said their kindness was their greatest weakness and you could destroy them from within, he was right.
Why do they not just cut your head off right now? You would. Do they know something you do not?

Dr. Mr. Muslim:
God’s people are taught to love and not to hate, they know real love from the One True God who keeps His promises, and they are enlightened. God’s people also do the will of their Father for they know He will always keep His Word. When you kill Mr. Muslim all that you accomplish is sending a saint to Heaven and condemning yourself to hell.
There is one promise Mr. Muslim that God has not kept fully yet and that is to throw your lying bastard father into to the lake of fire for eternity. This is a promise He will keep shortly. He said He would not strive with man forever and neither will He put up with you any longer. Your time has finally come.
God does not change He will remain kind and loving as will His people but He has promised to defend them and Honor His own much maligned Name and cover Himself in Glory as He destroys you and your fathers works and deeds forever.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:24 pm 75. AnitaHope:

Once a muslim crosses over to a radical position, he gives his soul, his life, to be ready for whatever is asked of him, life has no meaning his or anyone else. Terriorism is their way of life. His radical change over the last few years brings to mind the true story and then made into a movie, ” Not Without My
Daughter”. An American educated and trained doctor from Iran who took his wife & daughter on a visit to Iran, and his American wife, whom he had met in college, married and had a daughter with, he was willing to keep as a prisoner after a few months back in Iran and reading and praying from the Coran, loosing all reasoning in the past life of living in America as an American doctor. He too said he was treated as an outsider here as an excuse once he started back with his family going to meetings etc., he was willing to kill her and keep his daughter to be raised in the devout Muslim World. The tragedy is that these radical Muslim groups have infiltrated around the world and are strongly taking control of moderate but unhappy with there lives,
muslims. It is also happening in our prisons and the terrorists are growing in vast numbers, with the major question, “How Do We Stop This Cancer”?

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:37 pm 76. Islam:

The Qur’an repeatedly emphasizes that defensive war — fighting to protect oneself against invading enemies — is the only kind of combat sanctioned (2:190 – 191). In numerous other examples, it teaches that the use of force should be a last resort (2:192, 4:90); that normal relations between peoples, nations and states, whether Muslim or not, should be peaceful (49:13); that necessary wars must be limited in time and space (2:190); that maximum effort must be applied at all times to advance the cause of peace (10:25); that whatever means are undertaken to work for peace during a conflict (such as mediation and arbitration) must be attempted over and over again until resolution is achieved (8:61); that freedom of religion must be granted to every one (2:256), and so on. Please, educate yourself about Islam before jumping to wild conclusions about it.
It is like saying because of David Koresh all Christians are not to be trusted. You are empowering these terrorists by believing they represent all Muslims. In fact it is quite the opposite. THEY ARE TERRORISTS, PURE AND SIMPLE!!!!! Wake up and educate yourself, otherwise you are no different than them, matter of fact you will
become them by hating innocent Muslims.They are terrorizing both Muslims and Christians alike.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:48 pm 77. HellenoChristian:

Update: in my News the information is reported as following

“he killied yelling religious sentences” … “he was a devout Muslim” … “he was there to be sent in Afghanistan against his will” … “he worked 6 years as psychiatrist and listened to experiences of soldiers sent to Irak and Afghanistan and he did not want to have the same experience”.

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AnitaHope: the story of that woman married to an Iranian is JUST ONE AMONG MANY, but you (as general public) don’t get to know them, for “politically correct” reasons and for avoiding being called “a Racist”. Right yesterday a woman told me another of this “things”: se (from the West) married to a man from Libano, they lived in the West, since he did not manage the Language very well he did not have a job, she worked, they had 3 children, he was beating her but she refused to leave him (when the police interfered, he told them “in my Country we do like that!”), and eventually what he did? When she was at work he kidnapped all children, brought them to Libano, and since then the woman couldn’t manage to see them again and not even to listen to them again!

Islam is pure cruelty and dishumanity, and I would add that Islamic people (belonging to their Mafia: don’t forget that those criminals are practically backed and protected by their community!) are very EVIL people. They show to be gruesome and evil people in many ways, many time: my opinion is that they are sado-masochist, which is insanity, and which unfortunately can be treated in a compassionate way only, since their insanity hurts others, too!

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Thinking again about the shooting, I remembered about the shooting at Colombine (there is a video in Internet about that fact – filmed by the internal cameras of the school) and of course one could say “oh poor guys, they felt hurted in their sensitivity since they were not the best of the school and maybe they get biased/blamed by someone and not praised”, but on the other hand A SANE PERSON AND HUMAN BEING MUST say “their behaviour (shooting down others) cannot be accepted and pardoned!”.

I personally “watched” (from far) the radicalization of a “friend”, and I saw nothing else but a mind totally manipulated by scupleless people (mullahs and co.), which turns a Human into a hating maschine. And there is no way out of that, because

THESE MANIPULATED PEOPLE START REALLY THINKING AND BELIEVING TO A CONCRETE HEAVEN (THE WAY IT’S DESCRIBED IN ISLAM …) WAITING FOR THEM, AND ABOUT A CONCRETE HELL WAITING FOR EVERYONE ELSE (NON-ISLAMIC PEOPLE, NON-SAHRI’A LOVERS, …). AND MARRIED TO THIS UTOPIA, THEY GO ON RADICALIZING THEMSELVES AND BELIEVING THAT OTHERS ARE BAD AND IF NOT BAD, IT IS THEIR (DIVINE) DUTY TO BE KIND TO ISLAMIC PEOPLE. SHORTLY: JUST ISLAMIC PEOPLE AND SHARI’A (KORAN, HADITH, …) LOVERS DESERVE TO BE RESPECTED, OTHERS MUST BE REJECTED (AND HATED).

They get brainwashed by a strong Anti-americans propaganda, and Anti-white propaganda: various mullahs and co. show them movies where they see Americans/white people brutally shooting down their Islamic “brothers and sisters” AND NONE OF THEM TAKE THE DISTURB TO VERIFY IF THAT INFORMATIONS ARE TRUE OR FAKE!

It already happened with the Danish cartoon: the imam which showed them to the Islamic world in order to radicalize it against the West PERSONALLY CREATED OFFENSIVE CARTOONS ABOUT ISLAMIC PEOPLE (an Islamic person being fu*** by a dog while praying, and an Islamic person with a pig face), and went around saying these were the Danish cartoons!

Islamic people – I would say: Islamic world – is full of lies, deception, cruelty, masochism with becomes sadism, and with sadism which up and down shows its other face (masochism), PROFOUND DISRESPECT OF OTHERS (in order to justify they annihilation and the looting of their cultural and matterial belongings), and

MODERATOR SHORTENED OVERLY LONG POST. SORRY

Either Islam accepts criticism and reforms itself, or it is unmatchable with the whole rest of Humanity.

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Nov 6, 2009 - 11:57 pm 78. Laura:

Eileen Clark you fool, this muslim shooter was never in combat, he doesn’t suffer from PTSD. That is just BS psychobabble which the politically correct media wants to foist upon the American public because they are afraid to say this was an islamic jihad attack.

Nov 7, 2009 - 12:52 am 79. Toads:

The leftards who are dumb enough to say this is because of Bush/Cheney seem to think world history began in March 2003.

What about the 1993 WTC bombings, the 1996 Kohbar towers, the 2000 USS Cole, the 1983 Beirut bombings, etc.

Then again, there is no such thing as an intelligent Democrat, as they demonstrate every day.

Nov 7, 2009 - 2:28 am 80. Toads:

Why can’t we direct Muslims to selectively target feminists? It is they who should be the most incompatible with Islam.

Nov 7, 2009 - 2:30 am 81. MiamaMan:

37. Vinny B.:

Man, I wish Bush would have done what you accused him of, the pity is that he didn’t and went along with the Islam-is-a-peaceful religion crap.

Nov 7, 2009 - 5:29 am 82. MiamaMan:

41. crystal:

[if anyone studies Islam, you dont even have to do it intensively, just get the ground work, you will know that Islam is a peaceful religion. Its extremist that have given it its bad name.]

Crystal, again? ha, ha. Don’t you think this line is getting a little outdated?

Nov 7, 2009 - 5:39 am 83. Michael Smith:

So, in comment 76, “Islam” — another apologists for Islam — emerges to trot out the other standard line of apology for Islam: namely, that the Qur’an supposedly emphasizes only “defensive” war and urges peace and understanding and “freedom of religion“.

It is true that the Qur’an contains exhortations such as, “There is no compulsion in religion”. But for every such statement urging “peace” in the Qur’an, there is in the same book a passage demanding murder, such as “Slay the infidel wherever you find him”. How, then, are we to interpret such a collection of contradictions?

According to Islamic tradition, the Qur’an is to be interpreted according to a large collection of writings about the life of Muhammad written shortly after his death. These writings — authored by a variety of Islamic scholars and called the Hadith — tell us of the words and actions of Muhammad, and are considered by the overwhelming majority of Muslims to be absolutely essential to interpreting the Qur’an.

And according to the Hadith, a basic principle for interpreting the Qur’an — which was written over a span of decades during Muhammad’s life — is that when chapters conflict with one another, the one’s written later in Muhammad’s life are the one’s most definitive of Muhammad’s true intent. This is the view of the great majority (though not all) of Islamic scholars.

Well, guess what? All of the “peaceful” exhortations in the Qur’an are from the early periods of Muhammad’s life, whereas the passages calling for murder and jihad where written later in his life — and thus, according to the Hadith, the later passages cancel the earlier calls for peace and accommodation.

Islam’s apologists are well aware of the Hadith’s teachings — they are hoping that you are not, and that you can be fooled by the “peaceful” messages mixed in with the Qur’an’s calls for bloodshed and warfare.

I agree with one of “Islam’s” comments. You should indeed educate yourself about Islam. I recommend any of the books by Robert Spencer, such as his work, “The Truth about Muhammad.” And see his website, “Jihad Watch” as well. It is here: http://www.jihadwatch.org/

A little research will show you Islam is not a “religion of peace”, but rather a murderous totalitarian ideology bent on world domination. And this interpretation of the Qur’an comes not from the enemies of Islam, but from its most respected scholars.

P. S. — That claim that the Qur’an emphasizes “defensive war” that should only be undertaken as “a last resort” is true. Before waging war to kill the infidel, the Qur’an states that Muslims must give the infidel the opportunity to either a) Convert to Islam, or b) Agree to live as a slave in submission (dhimmitude) under Islam. Some choices! Such is the nature of the claims that the Qur’an shows Islam to be a “religion of peace”.

Nov 7, 2009 - 6:44 am 84. Lynn:

Don’t be deceived by people who claim that Islam teaches only defensive war.

Islam teaches that the whole world is the Caliphate of Allah and it is their duty to fight for that world ownership. They are taught from birth and even in the womb that the world belongs to them.

They are also taught that it is the duty of good Muslims to fight against the Jews until the end of time until the Jews hide behind the rock and trees. They are taught that Allah will cause the rocks to cry out “Here is a Jew! Here is a Jew!” “Come and kill the Jew!”.

It is also a grave crime to leave Islam, punishable by death at the hands of other Muslims. When Mohammad said that people had no compulsion in religion he was saying that people do not strive toward their Creator, so it is permissible to force them to. This allows Islam to stand over people without belief in their hearts. It does not matter.

The best way to discover what Islam teaches is to explore for oneself. No one can rely on knowing what it teaches by the voice of others since it is permissible to practice deceit when dealing with non-believers.

Muslims are terrorized by their own religion, forced on them by the teachings of Mohammad who speaks for Allah. They are taught that the world belongs to Allah so all wars are “defensive wars”.

The people of Israel have known this for many thousands of years and we are waking up to it now after pretending otherwise. It is a fact we must face, yet we must keep in mind that not all people have had freedom to discover this truth and choose what they believe. We have been taught to love our enemies and surely that will hold us in good stead during these trying times. The deceiver longs for us to become confused and kill the innocent which evil hides behind.

Nov 7, 2009 - 7:08 am 85. Lion of Kabul:

The politically correct Libtard media spin had begun. Many of the mainstream media outlets are attempting to shift the blame from the “religion of peace” to the US Army.

Yesterday experts at MSNBC made a Noble Prize worthy discovery that Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is contagious.

The Libtards are insisting that Hasan suffered from PTSD, despite the fact that HE HAS NEVER BEEN IN COMBAT.

The future Noble laureates at MSNBC are reporting that Hasan caught PTSD while working with returning combat soldiers.

They also claim Hasan was distraught over the possibility of having to go to a war zone (Why the Army never mentioned that deployment to a combat zone was a possibility is beyond comprehension.) and decided to work through his trauma by screaming “allah u akbar” and massacring unsuspecting fellow soldiers.

While the authorities and presumably the mainstream media are claiming that they are searching for answers’ to the Fort Hood Sudden Jihad Syndrome massacre, I would suggest that they discard their anti Western bias and acknowledge that koran 9:5 might be a good place to start. “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Self explanatory don’t you think?

Once the mainstream rids itself of the mental illness called political correctness and understands that unlike Christian and Jews who pay lip service to their scriptures, observant muslims like Hasan believe in the koran with every part of their being and loyalty to Islam must come ahead of any other obligation.

Civilization will be better off for it.

But until them ALLAH U AKBAR!

Nov 7, 2009 - 7:42 am 86. Omar:

Islam:

On the contrary, islam instructs muslims to wage war against every other people, nation and religion on the planet until everyone, everywhere lives in a state of submission to islamic law. Periodic truces are permissible during times of weakness, of course, but the obligation to impose islam is NEVER lifted. A grudging coexistence is possible for “people of the book” so long as they are willing to submit to islamic law as dhimmis and feel themselves subdued (Q9:29) (i.e., no proselytizing, no “too open” religious displays, no open discussion of your faith lest a muslim be tempted to apostasize, no criticism of the barabarous Mohammad, the Quran, or the vile shariah under which you are forced to live). . . You can keep your gender aparteid and your blasphemy laws. I will live as a free American under the Constitution – a document far more sanctified, in it’s own way, than the bloody quran and its murdering, raping, enslaving profit.

Nov 7, 2009 - 8:12 am 87. JAMES:

AMERICA’S CANCER: IMMIGRATION.

Our greatest cancer is immigration-this country has become the toilet bowl of the world and lets in all kinds of con-men, criminals, terrorists, barbarians and thugs from all
over the third world, who come and kill our own people. This makes our govt. the world’s most corrupt and evil govt. to carry out the war of invasion on our own nation.

It was our own govt. that gave visas to the 9/11 hijackers. It was our government
that has allowed millions of fanatics to pour in and set up terror networks. Greedy
corporations import cheap foreigners on bogus work visas by lying on H1/Labor Cert.
applications while Americans stand in the unemployment line. Even third world
politicians have better morals–they do not let foreigners pour in like our most crooked
politicians do. Thanks to this third world war aided and abetted by crooked politicians,
the US is now the third most populous nation on earth.

As foreigners pour in, there is more congestion and urban sprawl, shortages of
land, water and food, more pollution, more cultural clashes and more crime. Jobs are
becoming scarce and wages are falling due to a larger labor pool while home and other
prices keep rising due to many more consumers. Oil reserves are becoming depleted and
gas and heating oil prices are going through the roof. America is becoming a third-world
country, where people will have to stand in line for hours for water and many will urinate
and defecate on the roads and in stairwells due to lack of toilet facilities. Starvation and
hunger, diseases and depravation will run rampant. Immigrants are bringing plague,
AIDS, West Nile, SARS, dengue fever and TB which kill thousands every year. Violence
and corruption are spreading like wild fire.

Hospitals are overflowing with aliens who have not seen a doctor in ages but who
come here with many diseases and demand, and get, free treatment at the taxpayer’s
expense, thanks to crooked clauses in laws like EMTALA which force hospitals to
provide free care to aliens. This is bankrupting some hospitals and even Medicare and
Medicaid, while millions of Americans remain uninsured, and unable to afford basic
healthcare. Foreigners are getting jobs under affirmative action and then stealing secrets
for their foreign govts. Uncle S(c)am has become a brown-nose of the world, but a
mother-beater at home.

Our evil government and the corrupt media are in the pockets of the greedy
corporations that want cheap drudge and are basically “trafficking in humans”. Foreign
lobbyists financed sometimes by foreign drug cartels and crime gangs pay-off our govt.
kickbacks disguised as campaign contributions to buy them off to pass laws for easy
immigration, to allow more foreigers to pour in here so the foreign countries can get rid
of their problems and dump them on us. Our politicians are so greedy, evil and corrupt
they will sell their own mother, so they have no qualms about selling their own
motherland. 3 Million people invade this country every year–more than the REST of the
world combined. This massive immigration is turning our nation into a third world
country like Mozambique.

We can stop this cancer of immigration. It is time to join groups such as Numbers USA
(http://www.numbersusa.com), or FAIR (http://www.fairus.org), the Minutemen, etc. and
take a stand against the greatest evil ever heaped on our nation. It is also time to amend
the constitution to allow national referenda, so the people can pass good laws themselves,
since our corrupt evil government won’t. For eg.

http://ni4d.us/index.htm
http://www.iandrinstitute.org/National%20I&R.htm

The most important law to pass is to ban immigration, and the easy visas that let
the world’s garbage in. This country need not be a toilet bowl of the world anymore.

Nov 7, 2009 - 9:05 am 88. Kinvara:

Michael Smith, in his comment # 83, has succinctly responded to the taqiyya and kitman of “Islam” at # 76 who stated that the Koran “repeatedly emphasizes that defensive war — fighting to protect oneself against invading enemies — is the only kind of combat sanctioned.” The Doctrine of Abrogation (naskh) is the name given to the practice to which MS alludes, that of regarding the latter verses of the Koran as having precedence over earlier, more seemingly peaceful sounding ones (which latter Muhammad used when Moslems were a weak force in Mecca). This article discusses it:

http://www.meforum.org/article/1754
Peace or Jihad? Abrogation in Islam

It’s an especially useful article, not least because of the following quote in it which can be used to silence Moslems who will employ the false line of Jihad “only” as a “defensive war” (which is also the way they seek to imply that we should change our foreign and national policies in order not to incur their religiously-sanctioned ‘right’ to ‘defend’ themselves against us.

It is the Sword Verse (Koran 9:5) which abrogates so many of these earlier, Meccan verses in favor of the Medinan:

9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

“…the verse (9:5) does not leave any room in the mind to conjecture about what is called defensive war. This verse asserts that holy war, which is demanded in Islamic law, is not a defensive war because it could legitimately be an offensive war. Its goal is the apex and most honorable of all holy wars. Its goal is the exaltation of the word of God, the construction of Islamic society, and the establishment of God’s kingdom on earth regardless of the means. IT IS LEGAL TO CARRY ON AN OFFENSIVE HOLY WAR.” (my caps for emphasis)

Source: Muhammad Sa’id Ramadan al-Buti, Jurisprudence in Muhammad’s Biography (Damascus: Dar al-Fikr, 2001), pp. 323-4

Holy war is Jihad, “to fight in the Way of Allah,” “For Allah’s Cause”.

Nov 7, 2009 - 9:11 am 89. MiamaMan:

76. Islam:

Islam, your Mein Kampf, I mean your Qur’an (sorry, I don’t know why I keep on mixing these 2 important books), was revealed to Mohammed aka “El Loco”, in the cave and then he took the air taxi drive on top of Heavenly Horse Harak (that’s why Muslims prefer to drive taxis, I guess), there is a certain tinge of hallucinatory streak, kind of like Hashish or LSD. You know what I mean? Lu…Lu…Lu…Lucifer behind the whole deal. You know what I mean? The great religion of peace, very a peaceful religion, the champions of beheading.

Nov 7, 2009 - 9:19 am 90. Michael Smith:

Kinvara, thank you for the link to the article in comment 88. It is a well written, well documented explanation of the issue of abrogation.

I urge all those reading these comments to read that article. It is crucial to a proper understanding of Islam today.

Nov 7, 2009 - 10:11 am 91. silversleeves:

It seems to me that fear is causing some of you to take a single incident and make faulty assumptions about what it means? It seems like some of you are taking the things you fear most and applying them to this situation when it is not warranted.

I understand that there have been many incidents in which Moslems have killed people, but if you wanted to look at it in terms of pure numbers, Americans have certainly killed far more Moslems in the last 20 years than the other way around (there is no getting around this fact).

So if people in the Moslem countries or communities were to follow the logic that you all seem to be following (that evidence of someone killing in the name of something means that anyone who believes in that thing is sooner or later going to kill in the name of it) they would have to assume that sooner or later Americans are going to invade their country and kill them. I think that that is as incorrect as the viewpoint many of you are espousing–but it is exactly what some crazy people think. Do you want to be just as crazy as that?

This Major Hasan guy killed a bunch of people in Texas. Obviously this sucks a lot, and obviously he sucks regardless of his reasoning. But this hardly represents an event that should make most Americans fear anything. I have personally read at least 20 stories in the last 6 months in which “normal” non-moslem Americans killed civilians in all sorts of heinous and terrible ways–and these were usually completely unexpected and unforseen. When that guy at UCONN killed that woman in the research lab, nobody said that we need to keep rich white kids out of research labs. When that out of work father killed his children and his wife, no one says we should keep poor people from being able to procreate or something ridiculous like that. No one tries to tie these insane killings to the perpetrator’s “American-ness.”

In fact, people seem to read into these non-moslem maniacal killing events that the perpetrator was under stress, and though it is not excusable, we somehow understand the frustration that leads to such an act. We don’t say “we need to realize that unemployed=maniacal” we don’t say “when are we going to realize that the US economic system makes people kill each other?” We just say “wow, that guy is crazy.”

I think what this difference in reaction points to is that many Americans see Moslems as the enemy, so when a Moslem does something bad, it is seen as part of a whole system of bad action. At the same time, I think we are insecure about our position in the world, and about the two wars we are trying to win, and we see Moslems as to blame for that insecurity. The comments I’ve read are filled with fear and anger that “another” Moslem was “allowed” to get into a position where they could kill people–but this seems disproportionate to the actual threat. I do not believe in morality by numbers, but we have killed so many Moslems–so many more than the servicemen of ours who have died in the two wars plus those who died in the 9/11 attacks plus those in the Madrid and London attacks plus these poor people in Texas that I have trouble understand the fear that we feel about Islam. I find it easier to understand a middle-eastern Moslem’s fears about Americans killing them–as faulty as that fear also is.

I do not think this guy in Texas had a right to do what he did, or that he was seeing the situation from anything but a maniac’s viewpoint, but it seems like Moslems have a lot more to fear from us than we have to fear from them.

If this is the case, then aren’t there probably people out there who are writing on the internet about the systemic evil of American culture? Isn’t there probably somebody out there claiming–let’s say after a group of American soldiers in their neighborhood rapes a 14 year old girl and kills her whole family–that American culture=perverted=rape? And they have something closer to home to fear from us. I think that they are as wrong as many of you are. In fact, many of the comments above seem to come from our version of the same lunacy. It is not an issue of PC, liberal, islamo-apologia–it is a failure of imagination that keeps people from seeing acts like these in perspective.

I do not believe that American manipulation of the middle-eastern countries justifies killing random people in response (because most people were not involved in such manipulation), and I do not believe that Moslem’s randomly killing people justifies condemning a huge religion as if it is to blame. There are 1.66 billion Moslems. The 9/11 attackers had about 20 people involved, plus the 1000 people who make up Al Qaida, plus let’s estimate 100,000 others who have fought our troops in some way shape or form in the two wars, plus those three or four guys who were caught in Denver recently, plus this one guy in Texas. That’s around 101,024 people out of 1.66 billion. If Islam is inherently extremist, then why aren’t more Moslems attacking us? If we even saw half of all Moslems attacking us, we would be in a much larger conflict than we are actually in. They aren’t attacking us because they don’t want to.

I am Jewish. If anyone has a right to be afraid of Moslems it is me, and if anyone feels they have something central to their identity to lose to Moslems, it is also me. But I do not feel the fear that many of you feel.
The threat that Moslems pose to us is minimal (just like the threat that Christians or Americans or Jews or Hindus pose to us is minimal). You are far more likely to be killed by some jerk driving home drunk from a titty-bar than by being killed in an act of “Moslem-related-violence”–you probably are more likely to be hit by lightening too. We all need to grow some balls and recognize that we are strong, and that this maniac’s act of violence is in the tradition of purely American homegrown violence–the kind that takes the lives of highschool students, lab technicians, office workers, and other people almost everyday. This is not an issue of a religion being inherently violent, it is an issue of people being inherently violent.

Nov 7, 2009 - 11:43 am 92. joeblough:

Brava Phyllis!

The title of your piece says it all.

And in making that identification you have struck on a rich, deep, motherlode of psychic material that runs through the entire jihad/sharia movement, much of mohammedan culture, and the core of the toxic left.

This is worth a whole book, something I cannot put into a website comment, even were I capable of such work. But I cannot overemphasize the importance of this.

1) Most cultures ascribe privileged status to victims of various sorts, there is a strong positive incentive to explain oneself, indeed to understand oneself as a victim.

2) If one is unaware, or imperfectly aware of one’s own free will, life will appear to be a serious of events that HAPPEN TO THE SELF without the participation of the self. A deeply passive understanding of the surrounding world develops and colors all of one’s experience.
(2a) Unlike the other animals, humanity has an enormous say in the operation and content of our own awareness. The victim mindset tends not to acknowledge or even recognize this.

3) Flaws in self understanding with respect to free will can be based on or inspired by either personal or cultural factors, and usually both.

4) Most people have an implicit understanding that self-defense is morally superior to the initiation of force — so there are multiple motivations to explain and understand oneself that way ESPECIALLY if one harbors hostile intentions.

5) The experience of self as passive observer, or passive receiver or simply the victim of experience in general is usually deeply supported by a huge network of both philosophical-type and personal/private ideas of which people are not generally self-aware. I would take months, indeed years to fully de-program even with concerted effort.

6) While there are real victims and real victimization in the world, real victims, as you point out, do not as a rule become criminals and murderers. And here one must simply apply logic. A majority of criminals may have been victims, but a majority of victims do not become criminals. The difference is in the mindset.

The mohammedan population of the world is deeply influenced by this poisonous stupidity. It is one of the great issues of our time.

The politicians don’t mind. For the politician the victim-mindset presents and opportunity to form huge powerful coalitions of power and even armies. There will be no help forthcoming from the political establishment.

I urge you, Ms. Chesler, and my gentle fellow posters, to focus energy on overturning and discrediting the public factors that support and imprison people in that toxic point of view.

Much of the human future depends on it.

Nov 7, 2009 - 12:31 pm 93. The Jihadist Is Always the Victim « Opinion Letter:

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Nov 7, 2009 - 1:25 pm 94. Don:

There are only two ways that we can realistically understand other people: by their actions and by their words. Everything else is speculation. Hasan, the moslem soldier at Fort Hood’s actions were murderous. He intended to kill as many humans as he could and succeeded with at least 13. So his actions show him to be a mass murderer. His words while killing were islamic religious words, “Allahu Akbar!”. These are the facts, the evidence, and our conclusions have to be: his murders were motivated by his Islamic beliefs, i.e. jihad. The big question is why are the major media sources in the U.S. hiding this fact? Is our nation so far gone that the media are controlled by islam? The other big question is, are we fools enough to admit muslims to our military? This would be like the Israeli army admitting Nazis or muslims. I would hate to be a platoon with a muslim. How could he/she be trusted? Political correctness will destroy the West if we let it.

Nov 7, 2009 - 2:23 pm 95. Helen Freedman:

Absolutely right on assessment of this ongoing threat to America and the world. Until Americans are ready to say the prohibited words – that Islam is out to dominate the world – and kill or convert all infidels – we continue to weaken ourselves and open ourselves up to more terror attacks. We have to stop making excuses for terrorists and suicide bombers and “martyrs” and call them what they are and put a stop to it. There may still be time for America to do that. Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East are already lost. Let’s not join their ranks.

Nov 7, 2009 - 2:28 pm 96. Bookworm Room » Islam had everything to do with Fort Hood:

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Nov 7, 2009 - 2:47 pm 97. Scott:

All Americans need to practice their 2nd Amendment rights on a daily basis and pack heat. The government’s position on this is irrelevant as the government has aided and abbetted these Muslim terrorists right from the start.

When you see a Muslim, put your hand on your gun and keep it there until the Muslims proves either way, his intentions.

Political correctness must end now. Muslims are enemies. Minorities committ more crimes by far than do whites. Women cannot do the same hard physica work that men can do. Homosexuals are perverted deviants, not civic minded activists. The Democratic party is a group of traitorous Communists, nothing more, nothing less. Guns save lives by killing bad guys who would have killed the innocent. Barack Obama is an illegal alien and should be imprisoned immediately and I will pop the champagne when somebody finally gets him. America needs to deport all illegal aliens and stop allowing the scum into this country. Free-trade does not help America. All politicians are lying scum who should be hanged.

There, that about covers it. Any brainwashed Dems want to chime in?

Nov 7, 2009 - 3:16 pm 98. larryd:

When the story first broke it reeked of Islamic terrorism. The failure of our leaders and the establishment media to identify and acknowledge the enemy we are at war with will ultimately lead to our own destruction.

http://bringbackamerica.org/2009/11/05/breaking-story-so-far-11-dead/

Nov 7, 2009 - 4:37 pm 99. Charles Kirtley:

Political correctness + the religion of peace + a cowardly military bureaucracy = Hasan

Nov 7, 2009 - 5:00 pm 100. » Islamaphopic or Psychic:

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Nov 7, 2009 - 5:29 pm 101. Richard L. Whitford:

24. R: You make as much or more sense than any other comment I have read here and elsewhere.

Violence follows hatred like a shadow. If there is hatred there is always potential violence.

I understand that love is the fulfilling of the law and there is nothing that could be further apart than love and hate. Love can forgive but it does not justify.

I also understand that we know a tree by the fruit it bears. The tree is the system and what we do is the fruit of it.

In our Christian circle we know that every individual can convert from hatred to love but the majority do not. It makes no difference if you are Arab,Jew, polka dot or what when your heart is filled with the spirit of love there is no room for violence. This is not the ersatz love that permeates the anti war peacenicks for that is not true love.

This has been demonstrated many time in the history of our Christian martyrs who would not trangress to save their lives. Few of you will know anything of this history.

We have no reason to hate the people because they can change from an enemy into a friend as it is today with the Japanese and Germans but not the Communist nor, apparently the Muslim. It seems to be inherent in the system but not in the people. I hope you, my reader can see what I am trying to lift out. We cannot compromise with evil and if the system is evil we must separate from it. We know this can be done on a personal basis. It is not required for everyone to be converted to have peace but for the individual it is necessary.

I believe this cover what I wanted to say as well as I am able to state it but you are free to believe what you will.
Richard

Nov 7, 2009 - 6:27 pm 102. graenum schiff:

Maybe it is my age. I don;t know what a
URL is. There was a book written fairly
recently about the evils of religion. And on page l or 2 it tells the story of some man who entered a subway with a bomb in his backsack and sat down next to a couple
and then blew himself up. And when what was left of him was examined, it turned out that he had a Arabic name and most likely was a Moslem. There are Arab Christians but you don;t hear much about them blowing themselves up.
What this Muslim Army psychiatrist did was probably multifactorial in origin. He is or was a frustrated angry meshugeh who also was a fanatic Moslem. Too bad his superiors did not have the forsight to ease him out of the military. For an Arab
major in the Army, who is also a psychiatrist, not to be able to find a satisfactory Muslim wife is an indication
that he had less than optimal mental health. If he survives and gets to court, if the McNaughton rule of Sanity is used. he will not be NGRI. Regardless of the reason, at the time of the act, he knew the nature of the act and knew that this behavior is considered wrongful by the government.
I would not have been surprised if Tim McVeigh turned out to be a Musim but he was not. HE was the one who blew up those federal buildings in Oklahoma? He was put to death. Good riddance.

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Nov 7, 2009 - 8:00 pm 104. ELMER MANEJERO:

YOU ARE RIGHT, THE PROBLEM STARTS WITH IMAMS AND FINALLY THE FOLLOWERS…. IN CHRISTIAN FAITH, EVEN A PRIEST, PASTOR SUGGEST OR ORDER JIHAD, NO CHRISTIAN FOLLOWER WILL FOLLOW SUCH SUGGESTION OR ORDER BECAUSE THEY KNOW BY HEART AND CONVICTIONS THAT ITS WRONG, UNLIKE IN ISLAM FAITH THE IMAMS ARE TWISTING THE QUARAN REGARDING JIHAD, JIHAD IS INVOKE IF THE RELIGION IS BEING MALIGN OR THREATENED TO EXTINCTION BUT THE TRUTH CHRISTIANS RESPECTS ISLAM VERY MUCH, THE JIHAD IS BEING INVOKE IN ORDER TO REVERT TO CALIPHATE RULE AND ISLAMIC CONVERSION WORLDWIDE BY FORCE, INTIMIDATION, BRAIN WASHING… WHY? THE REASON IS SELFISH MOTIVE THAT DID NOT SUCCEEDED ( REMEMBER OTTOMAN EMPIRE), AS YOU CAN SEE
ISLAM LOGO IS HALF CRESCENT & STAR WHICH THE HALF CRESCENT CONNOTES WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD WAS ALMOST TAKEN BY MARAUDING MOORS AND WAS REPEL COWED BY THE LEGIONAIRE. THERE’S A CLEAR EVENTS THAT EVEN BEFORE UP TO THIS VERY MOMENT OUT OF DESPERATION, THEY BRAIN WASH PEOPLE THAT BEING A SUICIDE BOMBER, OR SUICIDE SHOOTERS IF KILLED HE OR SHE WILL GO TO HEAVEN INSTANTANEOUSLY, EVEN THE BRIGHTEST, BRILLIANT MEN OR WOMEN IF THEY HAVE WEAK PERSONALITY THEY ARE READILY FALLS TO IMAMS TRAP OF JIHAD INDOCTRINATION BUT EVEN THE DULLEST, ILLITERATE PERSON WITH FULL OF LOVE AND FEAR IN GOD, AND LOVES AND RESPECTS HIS FELLOWMEN REGARDLESS OF RACE, CULTURE AND RELIGION NEVER AGREE WITH IMAM JIHAD INDOCTRINATION BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT IS WRONG AND BARBARIC.

Nov 7, 2009 - 9:32 pm 105. Jim:

Every time one of these attacks occur, it turns out to be an unsocial, loner type that has trouble developing relationships with women. They combine a sense of victimization and personal grievance with extreme religious and political views. Like Tim McVeigh.

Nov 8, 2009 - 7:36 am 106. macko:

Phyllis,
Didn’t this happen in kuwait not long ago?

To green that says wait and see, there may have been muslim victims. They would be considered martyrs now. Off to paradise they go, did ‘em a favor don’t you know.

Nov 8, 2009 - 7:44 am 107. Ann:

I’ve always understood that no muslim should fight in an ‘infidel’ army in combat with other muslims. It is dangerous, therefore, to have muslims in any military unit in the western world and if there is another murderous assault on innocent people as that committed by hasan, which there surely will be, we have only ourselves to blame in not understanding the mind of muslims. Islam first, period. Never forget it no matter what you are told and lying to the infidel by muslims, not only jihadists, is permitted in the coran and until our so-called leaders learn this simple lesson, we will all remain vulnerable to islamist assault.

Nov 8, 2009 - 2:08 pm 108. suzi:

The Quran sends people to hell/ See if Allah was God then he would be speakingthe same words as my God of the Holy Bibler. The muslin will kill fior their God the Christian will die for ours..see the different we will go to heaven and they will go to hell;.

Nov 8, 2009 - 3:41 pm 109. Rifanne:

Go to school. Seriously. Please get an education because most of you have NO IDEA WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT. You can’t spell. You can’t make complete sentences. I think that this is un-American. You are terrorists of the education system, blindly forming grammatically incorrect opinions about matters you know NOTHING about.
Read a book. Talk to someone of another faith for once. You’ll see just how ignorant you truly are.

Nov 8, 2009 - 6:33 pm 110. EL GUAPO:

Muslims have been killing themselves for many years. Nothing will change them. In my opinion they are violent, unpredictable and dangerous. Wake up america lets get them all before any more innocent people die.

Nov 8, 2009 - 9:51 pm 111. hubhub:

Sirhan Sirhan was a christian not a muslim. Get your facts straight.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:20 am 112. El Gordo:

I´m not interested in accusing every single muslim. But on the other hand it is sick – literally insane – to always deny the obvious as a matter of course.

By now we have heard every sort of stupid explanation for this case of plain jihadi terrorism except that the guy had subsisted on Twinkies for too long.

Nov 9, 2009 - 3:21 am 113. Omar:

Rifanne:

I agree that some comments in this thread contain exaggerations, but could you be more specific in your charge of “ignorance?”

Nov 9, 2009 - 6:53 am 114. R. Greener:

#109 – Rifanne…

You think this guy in Texas was nuts… not if compared to some of the bigots and haters who post their sickness here. If they were only “ignorant” that would be a step upwards.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:21 am 115. Mohamad:

You guys are ignoring the fact that he is a 2nd generation American citizen. He was born in the United States and he severed in the United States Military. He went to elementary school, middle school, high school and higher education. He is the product of your American culture. Go ahead and ask the billion Muslim around the world if they recognize him as a Muslim or American. Him being psychologist in the military, I assume he cracked down from the horror stories he heard from his patience.

Now I’m going to adopt the author and his audience method of simplifying complex matter and using irreverent racist attacks to get a message across. So you guys assume that all Muslims are terrorist just because a person who claims to be Muslim killed other humans. Building on that logic, one can safety conclude that all Christians are territory savage beasts for their killing of native Indians who lived long before the colonist came and stole their land from them. Not only stole but brutally slaughtered them. The Spaniards took pleasure in cutting native Indians in half and enjoying the bloodshed.

Please don’t take my word for it, your people did excellent job at documenting it as proof your crimes ( It make sense if we keep thinking the way the author and his commenter think about Islam).

“Bartolome de Las Casas served as a Spanish missionary in Latin America. After being ordained as a priest in 1510, he worked to improve the condition of the native peoples and to end their enslavement and forced labor. Las Casas succeeded in converting several tribes, but he failed to establish a model native colony. He subsequently visited Spain to urge government action. He wrote the letter “Of the Island of Hispaniola” to be read at a forum on Spanish colonization called by the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V. Primarily because of his efforts, in 1542 Spain adopted a humanitarian code known as the New Laws to protect native peoples in Spanish colonies. Unfortunately, later governments so altered the New Laws that they proved ineffective”
“God has created all these numberless people to be quite the simplest, without malice or duplicity, most obedient, most faithful to their natural Lords, and to the Christians, whom they serve; the most humble, most patient, most peaceful and calm, without strife nor tumults; not wrangling, nor querulous, as free from uproar, hate and desire of revenge as any in the world. . . .

Among these gentle sheep, gifted by their Maker with the above qualities, the Spaniards entered as soon as soon as they knew them, like wolves, tiger and lions which had been starving for many days, and since forty years they have done nothing else; nor do they afflict, torment, and destroy them with strange and new, and divers kinds of cruelty, never before seen, nor heard of, nor read of. . . . .

The Christians, with their horses and swords and lances, began to slaughter and practice strange cruelty among them. They penetrated into the country and spared neither children nor the aged, nor pregnant women, nor those in child labor, all of whom they ran through the body and lacerated, as though they were assaulting so many lambs herded in their sheepfold.

They made bets as to who would slit a man in two, or cut off his head at one blow: or they opened up his bowels. They tore the babes from their mothers’ breast by the feet, and dashed their heads against the rocks. Others they seized by the shoulders and threw into the rivers, laughing and joking, and when they fell into the water they exclaimed: “boil body of so and so!” They spitted the bodies of other babes, together with their mothers and all who were before them, on their swords.

They made a gallows just high enough for the feet to nearly touch the ground, and by thirteens, in honour and reverence of our Redeemer and the twelve Apostles, they put wood underneath and, with fire, they burned the Indians alive.

They wrapped the bodies of others entirely in dry straw, binding them in it and setting fire to it; and so they burned them. They cut off the hands of all they wished to take alive, made them carry them fastened on to them, and said:

“Go and carry letters”: that is; take the news to those who have fled to the mountains.

They generally killed the lords and nobles in the following way. They made wooden gridirons of stakes, bound them upon them, and made a slow fire beneath; thus the victims gave up the spirit by degrees, emitting cries of despair in their torture. . . .”

Open your dusty books and learn about your history O hypocrites brothers and sisters. Not only you guys slaughtered and destroyed Native Indians lands and cultures. You enslaved Africans and treated them awfully. Christians justified their slavery of Africans, “[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God…it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation…it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts” – Jefferson Davis, President, Confederate States of America.

Also building on the author Idea that one person action justify, persecution of a billion human. The Christians uncivilized bombing of abortion clinics and killing of doctors who did operate abortion surgeries. By the author definition of this online article, all Christians are responsible for the crimes that one or few might commuted.

I ask you all to leave hatred, race and religion behind. I ask you all to think from an educated open minded views. Remember the great holocaust happens because Hitler was allowed to spread stereotypes about the Jews of Germany and his haltered and ignorance of the Jewish history ended up in the great massacre of the Jews. To protect future generations from this mistake, its our duty to think correctly and have better faith in each others.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:42 am 116. ISLAM:

there are two types of jihad…internal and external…sometimes muslim extremists put external before internal, when really INTERNAL is the greater JIHAD…that is fighting ONESELF against feeling pressured into the material world. It doesn’t mean the religion is bad, just certain people taking advantage of it the wrong way. Also, using external jihad can be a MEANS and EXCUSE to themselves , so that they may take out OTHER anger they have within…when really, if they didnt involve religion, they still would have been violent in general and probably still kill people in general. but they feel less GUILTY if they think they had a reason to…thats just my take

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:30 pm 117. StewartIII:

CNN Zeroes-In on ‘Right-Wing’ Backlash Against Muslims From Pajamas Media
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/11/09/cnn-zeroes-right-wing-backlash-against-muslims-pajamas-media

Nov 9, 2009 - 6:40 pm 118. YRTYRTYRTYRTY:

There should be backlash! Muslims are terrorists! ALL OF THEM! They need to be punished!

Nov 10, 2009 - 12:07 pm 119. Mendel:

Yishmael, the Arab world, Saddam (without commentary)
Compiled by Rabbi Nathan Lopez Cardozo

When Hagar, after having fled from the home of Avraham, finds herself in the desert she is informed that she will have a son:

“And an angel of God said to her: Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, you shall name him Yishmael for God has heard your prayer. And he shall be a Pere Adam (a wild man), his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him and in the face of his brothers shall he dwell.” (Bereshith: 16: 11, 12)

“Rabbi Jochanan and Resh Lakish debated this. Rabbi Jochanan said: It means that while all people are bred in civilized surroundings, he would be reared in the wilderness. Resh Lakish said: It means a savage among men, in its literal sense, for as people plunder wealth, he plunders lives.”
Midrash, Bereshith Rabba 35:9

Pere Adam, what does this mean? “A race of men who do not bow their necks to the yoke of other men.”
Rabbi Samson Rafael Hirsch, ad loc

“And his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s man against him and in the face of all his brothers will he dwell.” What does it mean?

The subject pertains to his children who will increase and they will have wars with all the nations.
Ramban, ad loc

“His hand shall be against everyone“, in that he will be victorious at first over all nations and afterwards “everyone’s hand shall be against him”, meaning that he will be vanquished in the end.
Rabbi Abraham Ibn Ezra, ad loc

“Although he will be a man with great potential, intellect and emotions his hand will be against everybody and everybody against him and still “In the face of his brothers he will dwell” i.e. he will honored by the nations.”
Da’at Sofrim, ad loc

At the covenant between the pieces God causes Avram to fall into a deep prophetic sleep:

“And when the sun was going down a deep sleep fell upon Avram and lo, dread, a great darkness fell upon him” (Bereshith 15: 12)

“These are the 5 exiles which will in the future fall on the Jews:

Dread: this is Edom (the Roman empire)

Darkness: this is Yavan, (the Greek empire)

Great: This is Madai, (the Persian empire)

Fell: This is Babel, (the Babylonian empire)

Upon him: This is Yismael (the Arab empire)

And only then will Ben David, the Mashiach, come.

And how do we know? Because it says:

“His Oiyevav (enemies) I will clothe with shame, but upon him, his crown will shine” (Tehilim 132: 18)

At the end of days, just before the Mashiach will arrive, I will make the enemies to be wearing garments of shame. And then upon him (Israel and all the good nations of the world) his (the mashiach’s) crown will shine. Yalkut Shimoni, ad loc

When God blesses Avram He says:

Then I will bless you and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is upon the seashore. And your seed shall posses the gates of oivav, his enemy (Bereshith: 22:17)

Who is your enemy? The sons of Yishmael, the son of Avram and Sara. When Rivka is asked to marry Yitschak, her family says to her:

Our sister, become you thousands of myriads and let your descendants inherit of those that sonav, hate them (Bereshith 24.60)

Who are the haters of Israel? The sons of Esav, the son of Rivka and Yitschak. What is the difference between “enemies” and “haters”?

The word Oyev (enemy)is referring to the Arab nations and Soneh (hater) (to Edom, the sons of Esav, the Roman empire often identified with Anti-Semitism) in the West

The enemy is more evil than the hater, since the hater will do evil but will have mercy (on him self) but the enemy will have an eternal animosity and will not spare himself when he tries to kill Jews. And therefore he is called Oyev because this word is philologically related to the _expression Oi Va Voy, because somebody who falls into the hands of the descendants of Yishmael will shout Oy Va Voy (How terrible!).
Rabenu Bachai, ad loc

“Shir Hama’aloth LeDavid. Had God not been with us… let Israel declare it now. Had God not been with us when men rose up against us, then they would have swallowed us alive when their anger was kindled against us. Then the waters would have swallowed us alive.” (Tehilim 124)

“You know that there are 4 exiles. But know that when the redemption will get closer, the Jews will have their final exile with Yishmael.

And this is the reason why he is called Yishmael, because the Jews will cry with painful cries and God will answer them (Yishma-El)

And if you ask me: Why the sons of Yishmael? I answer because the children of Yishmael never constituted a normal nation and were not able to dominate the West but were always living in deserts. Consequently they started to envy the other nations of the world and at the end of the days they will try to show their power and come out of their tents and try to overtake Israel and the whole world

And then we will sing:

“Had God not been with us when men rose up against us, they would have swallowed us alive. Our souls escaped like a bird from the hunter’s snare, the snare broke and we escaped. Our help is through the name of God, Maker of heaven and earth.” (Tehilim 124)

And it that way this exile will be different from all exiles before since they will try to use ways to destroy Israel as has never been tried before and God’s interference will be clear.”
Rabbi Chaim Vital, pupil of the Arizal, Sefer Etz Hada’at Tov 17th century.

Nov 10, 2009 - 1:58 pm 120. Gottfried:

The Muslim, at least the non-Westernized version, is an eternal child; when frustrated, he pouts; when criticized, he wants to hit. He blames everyone else for his problems, even though they are produced by his religion of self-hatred. He dehumanizes and degrades women so that he has someone to look down upon. Pity the Muslim; just don’t put him in positions of power.

Nov 10, 2009 - 3:40 pm 121. Cathay:

Ms Chesler, The Big Crotch Television (officially chinese central television) called your name and said you are a far rightist by your first sentence “I knew in my bones that the shooter or shooters were Muslims”. Though this country put its most vigilance on muslim [X i nj iang], not buddhist [Tib et]. What a professed love of one they really fear.

Nov 10, 2009 - 7:03 pm 122. TARFU:

Trust with Verification!…….
Benefit of the Doubt…uhhhhh No!
Do we wait to call it what it is till CNWDI is put to the test on us?…Not Me!….
I’m bored with CB’s telling me how I should behave…I’ll take care of Me and My Own..Thanx so much…..Trust with Verification!…….
Benefit of the Doubt…uhhhhh No!

Nov 10, 2009 - 9:25 pm 123. Lola:

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Nov 11, 2009 - 11:16 pm 124. Nick:

hahahahahaha

oh man i seriously just spent 2 hours reading these comments, laughing

bahahahahha

and you wonder why half the world hates us…it’s people like you guys who give America a bad name, ethnocentric, racist,imperialist bigots.

that’s not to say that what happened wasn’t horrible at fort hood, and that he very well might have been motivated by radical muslim view. let’s say it was in fact terrorism.

but how does that justify saying that “Islam = jihad” and that we need to “stop Muslim immigration NOW”?

i have a friend i grew up with who is Muslim. he’s not radical, he doesn’t preach. am i supposed to hate him in order to be truly “American”?

i’m disgusted.

Nov 18, 2009 - 12:27 pm 125. Chesler Chronicles » The 9/11 of 1859: Is Al-Qaeda An Abolitionist Movement?:

[...] refreshingly wrote about on Sunday, is all but forgotten. The belief that, as I’ve written, the jihadist is always the victim, that terrorist barbarism always has a just reason and once understood, negotiations may take [...]

Dec 2, 2009 - 2:51 pm

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