106 Comments

1. David W. Lincoln:

It is one thing to say, “I agree with you”, it is something else to work with what people say
is true.

Nov 11, 2009 - 1:27 pm 2. Fern Sidman:

I also read the trsnscript of last night’s Lou Dobbs program that was posted on the CNN web site.

Accolades to Dr. Chesler for speaking truth to power and so eloquently stating her case.

She said, “See, political correctness was also pulling the trigger together with Major Hasan. And the Army has got to become a politically incorrect free zone. They can’t afford to be afraid to turn in jihadists because they’re Muslims or they have a different skin color or because it’s called Islamophobia. Since 2001, there are 4,349 separate acts of terror committed by Islamists against civilians around the world. I would say that we should be fearful. We should call it by its right name. The president today at the memorial service did not. He referred vaguely to the war.”

Calling it as it is is not tantamount to engaging in a campaign of proliferation of calumnies about all Muslims. As Dr. Chesler stated, there are Muslim reformers, dissidents, feminists and others who are alarmed at the pernicious deeds of radical Islamists and have prodigiously spoken out against such jihadists.

Yet, not to mention the words “war on terror” or “jihad” or “sedition” when it comes to reporting events as these is inaccurate representation of what actually occurred. While the media has been quite successful in being a purveyor of these kinds of canards to help promote the multi-cultural relativist agenda, the people they report to deserve better. They deserve the truth in its unexpurgated form.

Thank you Dr. Chesler for participating in this important discussion.

Nov 11, 2009 - 1:55 pm 3. Douglas Johnston:

Hey Phyllis, I saw you on Lou Dobbs and was really surprised since I guess I didn’t notice the e-mail beforehand. I think you did great!

Nov 11, 2009 - 2:16 pm 4. Shoshana Rubin:

Phyllis, I would love to know the difference between a religious Moslem and a jihadi.

Nov 11, 2009 - 2:42 pm 5. Lou Santacroce:

Ah, Phyllis, you lifted us all up again.

Nov 11, 2009 - 2:51 pm 6. Patricia Nordman:

God bless you, Dr. Chesler, for your COURAGE! My heart bleeds for our beloved country, and for our grandchildren who will have to live with the consequences of our political correctness.

Nov 11, 2009 - 2:57 pm 7. MiamaMan:

Phyllis, you did great on CNN, thank you very much. I like Lou Dobbs, Mr. Nichols was at his most conservative also, BTW, I love your New Yok accent, like watching the Godfather.

Yes, we disagree on the issue of whether there is “radical Islam” and then only Islam, but I respect your opinion. The denounce all Islam is still political suicide, professorship suicide, let leave that to Spencer, Horowitz, myself included and IQ Al Rassouli, among others.

When you write: “Also, Hasan did not do this because he is a Muslim.” There is a contradiction here, for one cannot be a Jihadist without being a Muslim first. So, he did because HE IS a Muslim.

I agree on the Islamophobia issue and the victimology as PC and propaganda by Islamists, essentially, also liked your reference to the mental health of Hitler and his evil deeds.

Regarding feminists and feminism, please allow me to apologize to you for my earlier comments, I was angry and went too far, and am far from perfect.

The greatest feminist in the US today is Police Officer Sgt. Kimberly Munley, that tough cookie mother of 2 who put down the hateful Jihadist Hasan. My best wishes also go to teenage girls and women of Israel, who after a sting of 2 years in the IDF go to the ice cream parlor as well as to shul with an M-16 hanging from their backs. May the US don’t have to go to this extend.

Nov 11, 2009 - 3:33 pm 8. Rubicon:

“The Islamists have managed to persuade western leftists, academics, politicians, and the media that America and Israel are waging a war on Islam.”
Not sure why anyone is surprised. The media in particular has been playing this game when it comes to Israel for years now, and now they are playing the game as they attack Christians, conservatives, lovers of the constitution, 2nd amendment lovers, small government lovers, low taxes lovers, Republicans (at least the non-rino type), & anyone or anything else that does not fit into that relativist agenda.

Nov 11, 2009 - 3:38 pm 9. Anonymous:

Right on! It’s the jihad, stupid! How ’bout Ameriphobia! No one put a gun to Hasan’s head and made him shoot at our own soldiers! It’s terrorism… that’s TERRORISM, folks!

Nov 11, 2009 - 4:42 pm 10. David W. Lincoln:

This about Lou Dobbs, http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/lou_dobbs_leaving_cnn_142950.asp

It is good for Lou to leave out on top.

Plus, what does it say about CNN?

Nov 11, 2009 - 4:56 pm 11. David Thomson:

Lou Dobbs has just resigned form CNN! It must be the fault of Phyllis Chesler. Her appearance must have really blown his mind. Yup, she is the one who did it. Dobbs will likely join Fox News in the near future.

Nov 11, 2009 - 5:35 pm 12. Neale:

I think we’ve finally just hit a point where enough people have literally died due to “political correctness” that even quite a few leftists are tired of it. We’ve sadly got a way to go for the pure ideologists will do the right thing… but there’s enough momentum for power these days that their ability to do the wrong thing won’t be much longer.

Nov 11, 2009 - 5:38 pm 13. Carol Herman:

Israel’s learned how to deal with the crazy media agenda. She’s been under the gun presidencies in. And, presidencies out. Ft. Hood, meanwhile, will turn out to be an ‘equal opportunity employer.’ Before PC, there was Catch-22. The psychologist in Catch-22 was as psychotic as anything you’d find at Walter Reed.

Given that both sides have an agenda; and nobody wants to see the troops hurt, there’s a coming together, here, where everyone, across a broad spectrum is disgusted with what’s been passing as our approach to terrorism’s issues. You can’t fool me. The top brass stepped in it. And, the FBI can’t stop the momentum with “move on folks, nothing to see here.” Plus, given the feeding frenzy, you’ll see Rolodex wheels into the media in super-drive.

Nov 11, 2009 - 5:40 pm 14. musical mountaineer:

I read a piece by Neil Steinberg in the NY Post to the tune of “if you think Islam has anything to do with Fort Hood you’re a racist”. Stupid, stupid moralistic preening. I wanted to send him a link regarding honor killings, an almost exclusively Muslim phenomenon. I found your article “Are honor killings simply domestic violence?” You’re just doing great work! Thank you so much!

I didn’t bother sending Steinberg the link. Soon enough, I hope, he and others like him will be out of business.

Nov 11, 2009 - 5:43 pm 15. M. Report:

Waging war on Islamists

Darn right, and the reason why is
given by Mr. Barnett, below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Barnett

Sooner or later, Those Other People
across the Gap will, by some combination
of luck, planning, and Hi-Tech, manage
to accomplish their goal of destroying
the Great Satan, unless we get them first.

Doing so without waging an indiscriminate
war on Islam is a non-trivial exercise;
A good first step would be to poll the US
military Muslims on the subject of how to
make the Islamic/Islamist distinction.

Nov 11, 2009 - 5:55 pm 16. Knight1:

Well done!

Nov 11, 2009 - 6:09 pm 17. 438miler:

I just watched the CNN clip. It was baffling to watch the guy from The Nation twist himself into knots trying not to offend anyone. I’m sure, as he and his friend s cant their way through their next bottle of champagne, they’ll pat him on the back for not being ‘intolerant’. Fools.

Nov 11, 2009 - 6:15 pm 18. Bilgeman:

Ms. Chesler:
“In classic jihadic style, upon awakening in his hospital bed, even though he is sedated, Major Hasan asked to speak to a lawyer.”

I hadn’t heard that…that’s just SO perfect.

Y’know, if Major Hasan publicly blames Bush’s policies, Rush Limbaugh’s brodacasts and the insidious effect of Dick Cheney’s support for enhanced interrogation techniques for his terrorist crimes, he’ll become a certified moonbat hero.

Nov 11, 2009 - 6:26 pm 19. ETAB:

Thank you, Phyllis, for the astuteness and courage of your analysis. Exactly right.

Nov 11, 2009 - 6:44 pm 20. Yetwave:

WTG Dr. Chesler.
“John Nichols was effectively neutralized”
Neutered is more apt; if not for the ineffectuality of his argument, then for the command of the issues you wielded.
Contradictory as it may seem, the Canadian media is a better of source for reading about the evil seed of radicalism inherent in Islam than is our own ‘free press’.

Nov 11, 2009 - 7:06 pm 21. Kerry:

Shoshana Rubin would “…love to know the difference between a religious Moslem and a jihadi.” The religious Moslem is a fellow American; the jihadi is the one you shoot.
President Zero said the act was “incomprehensible”. that is, incomprehensible to ‘reason’. If this is so, then, by default, one cannot talk the jihadi terrorists out of their murderous ideology. And if these acts are incomprehensible, that what will he say to Iran to convince them to quit waging jihad?

Nov 11, 2009 - 7:22 pm 22. anonymous:

7. MiamaMan: ‘Yes, we disagree on the issue of whether there is “radical Islam” and then only Islam, but I respect your opinion.’

And I’m sure Phyllis respects yours, MM. After all, she flies the colors of PJM.

Nov 11, 2009 - 7:39 pm 23. Clay Marley:

“We must differentiate between Islam and Islamism, between Muslims and radical jihadists”

How? I have read most of the Koran, studied the Hadiths, read plenty of fiqh. I know what Islam teaches. There is not two Islams. True there are those who want to reform Islam from within, but they go against the teachings of their scriptures. They are sometimes called “innovators” and are considered apostate.

The further one goes down the Islamic rabbit hole, the more radical and violent one is likely to become. The ideology of hate is fundamental to the belief system. To remove it would leave little left. To remove it would require obliterating the Koran, the Sunna, and eliminating Muhammad as the al-insan al-kamil, the “ideal man” to be emulated.

The only way to deal with this is to do the opposite of what the Left wants. To discuss these beliefs openly and publicly, expose and criticize Sharia Law and make it plain for all to see.

Nov 11, 2009 - 7:41 pm 24. Delia:

OMG! You ROCK, Phyllis! You SPEAK THE TRUTH, Woman and hopefully the truth will set us free from PC! Thank goodness you have the guts to say what so many are afraid to touch with a ten-foot politically correct pole. AMEN! Our country has GOT to protect her own from the insiders who would do us harm as well as the outsiders who would too.

I’m soooo bummed I missed this last night! I had to change my email for PJM and delete my old one because I signed up for a couple newsletters from some natural health websites and ended up spammed with so much crap that I was fed up with wading through it all to read my important mails. Unfortunately, that means I’m no longer on your mailing list either now.

Anyway, I hope someone will upload your interviews with Lou and Bill onto youtube so those of us who missed it can see them!

High Five, Sista!!!!!

((HUGS)),

Delia =0)

Nov 11, 2009 - 7:52 pm 25. B:

Obama’s distaste for even a military worm-eaten with PC has become so obvious he will have to spend a lot of time shooting three-pointers on military bases to show he’s “down with the guys.” Is there any constituency his new administration hasn’t outraged or merely offended apart from the trial lawyers?

Nov 11, 2009 - 8:06 pm 26. HalifaxCB:

Good for you, Phyllis. It needs (unfortunately) to be pointed out over and over again that conservatives in general understand that while jihadists are necessarily Muslim, Muslims are not necessarily jihadists. The myth that American Muslims are in danger from a right backlash is a creation of the Left, and serves only the purpose of keeping the herd together.

Nov 11, 2009 - 8:09 pm 27. Shoshana Rubin:

Well done, Kerry. I appreciated your sarcasm too.

Nov 11, 2009 - 8:28 pm 28. Dave Surls:

‘At the Ft. Hood Memorial, President Obama did not use the words “jihad,” “terrorism,” “Islamism,” or “Islamic terrorism.”’

Yeah, and he also didn’t use the words “mutiny”, “treason” and “I’m the commander-in-chief, this is MY responsibility, and I’m going to make sure something gets done about this”.

But, that’s because he intends to avoid responsibity…not take it.

Well, that’s what you get when you elect a little boy as president instead of a man.

Nov 11, 2009 - 8:32 pm 29. Poor Citizen:

I remember during an interview in 1983, they kept asking Ted Kennedy over and over again if the evidence clearly showed that there was a conspiracy…would he finally support and investigation….

and he looked at the interviewer, then the camera and said…

whats it gonna do .. bring my brothers back from the dead?…

so your conspiracy stories should hold off…for about five years (or more) when the “half truth” even bothers to show its ugly face.. dont you agree?

Nov 11, 2009 - 8:54 pm 30. Paul of Alexandria:

Clay Marley (23):
…
True there are those who want to reform Islam from within, but they go against the teachings of their scriptures.
…

True, and very well said. And this is the problem: Yes there are Muslims who decry the violence of the jihadi’s, but – as Gregory Davis pointed out at JihadWatch.org: in any religion or ideology there will be many who profess, but do not practice, its tenets….Furthermore, there are also people who do not really understand their own faith and so act outside of its prescribed boundaries.

BTW, there’s an interesting article at Jihad Watch: Fort Hood jihadist: “I’m Muslim First, American Second”

Nov 11, 2009 - 9:12 pm 31. Paul of Alexandria:

29. Poor Citizen:

…

so your conspiracy stories should hold off…for about five years (or more) when the “half truth” even bothers to show its ugly face.. dont you agree?

I’m not sure exactly what you’re getting at, since nobody that I noticed mentioned any “conspiracy”, but if you mean what I think you mean you miss a very important point.

In a recent interview on Issues Etc, Robert Spencer pointed out that there are two kinds of Jihadis: organized and spontaneous. Organized Jihadis are the ones that go to training camps and work in teams. Spontaneous Jihadis decide on their own to turn to violent jihad. They may receive encouragement from one of the imams but generally they cannot be directly linked to an “official” terrorist cell. In effect, they become a terrorist cell of one.

Nov 11, 2009 - 9:28 pm 32. David Thomson:

Was it just a coincidence that Lou Dobbs resigned tonight—or might it indeed be due to the discussion between our host and the Nation magazine moon bat? Was it the final straw? Did Dobbs think that CNN’s overwhelmingly left-wing inclinations hindered his style? It will be interesting what he will say publicly within the next few days.

Nov 11, 2009 - 9:30 pm 33. Shoshana Rubin:

To Clay Marley, outstanding post and I’m thinking the same as you, we must expose Islam very publicly, talk about it, write about it. Beyond the too few Muslim reformers and former Muslims, I too am not convinced there’s a difference between a religious Moslem and a jihadi.

Nov 11, 2009 - 9:45 pm 34. TennesseeVolunteer:

You mention that people better get ready for additional ‘terrorist attacks’. Well, my good friend, let the Jihadists come to Tennessee, Arkansas and Mississippi. there is a reason all of the stores that sell guns ammunition and accessories cannot stock a thing.
I don’t have a gun but pretty much everyone else does. It is the liberals in the Northeast that won’t know what happened to them. Oh, that’s right, they’ll blame it on Bush!

Nov 11, 2009 - 9:57 pm 35. beatlejuice:

I am only be a high school grad from South Texas(’77)so bear with me. I know the difference between emigrate and immigrate,and ensure and insure. Beginning in 8th grade, if any of my English teachers read the words “a lot” in my essay, she would read no further and mark the paper with an “F”. Most articles by today’s journalists I read frequently abuse the grammar I was taught in the redneck South.
I am NOT referencing the above post, I am venting a wee bit.

Some of you may find an error in this post.
But, I digress.

What “race” is Islam?

I must have been absent that day.

“By the way, which one is Pink”

Nov 11, 2009 - 10:14 pm 36. john from cinncinatti:

is hasan mentally ill because he’s a jihadi or is he a jihadi because he’s mentally ill.
i’ve been hearing in the news, for the last couple of years that al queda was wanting to develop home grown terrorist who could fly under the radar. just like in iraq when the documents were picked up, in a raid, that AQI wanted to foment sectarian violence, and a year later Iraqi’s had each other by the throat. hmmm they aren’t worried about op-sec because they dance the media like a puppy begging for a snack. competing narratives and the west just wants to keep on believing the islamist are benign. on this veterans day, thank you Phyllis for the work that you are doing, this is your day also.

Nov 11, 2009 - 10:19 pm 37. gssherburne:

Thank you Dr. Chesler. You were great on CNN. I was so proud you and I am so proud of the work you are doing. You just nailed every point. I am so glad you are around. Want to know why? For one thing, the top thing, I have a son in the army. He was in Iraq and he’ll be in Afghanistan, too soon. I’d like to feel that he is safe while he is here, but I don’t have that confidence. I don’t think its likely he’ll be killed by a terrorist on a U.S. army base, but I’m not confident it won’t happen. With my own eyes and my own ears I have seen and heard the craven fear of “Islamophobia” coming out of the army brass. They don’t have the courage and character to call it what it is. They’ve been pickled and dulled in the politics of diversity;love of personal career and status trumps strength of mind, especially under this administration.

I love it that you refuse to capitulate to the “backlash against Muslims” concept. There never has been one. There wasn’t one after 911 and there won’t be one now. It is a pure fabrication, floated out on the body politic over the years as a tactic in an insidious agenda. It partly works because it fits so nicely with other myths about how horrible our society and culture are, what with “holes in our souls” and all, and our eternal need for “a national dialogue on race,” and the burden of our odious history of imperialism, clinging to our guns and religion, and so forth.

There is no probability that the army’s diversity will be “damaged.” The army was the first government institution to desegregate and it has always been diverse. Muslim soldiers need have no fear of “backlash” and I doubt if many of them do. Only the left and its lefty mouthpieces have this fear, or say they do.

General Casey has been reinforced,conditioned and programmed by the power of the left, and he knows which side of his bread is buttered. He speaks myth to the masses rather than truth to power, and I am sure his masters there in Washington are very pleased with him.

While they are all saturated, entangled and embroiled in their mythmaking and utopia-building, people like Hasan slip through the cracks and murder our sons and daughters. Great. Thanks a lot, O leaders, for the shepherding care of our country and our military. You are right Dr. Chesler, that political correctness pulled the trigger. Or you could say that our soldiers and serving civilians were the necessary sacrifice for our political elite to maintain their narrative and not have to lose face or fear to lose their jobs.

Nov 11, 2009 - 10:24 pm 38. gssherburne:

One more thing: thank you Nathan Bloom also, and you Dr. Chesler, for these great talking points. I am studying these, the better to respond to the brainwashed.

Nov 11, 2009 - 10:41 pm 39. Filthy Screw:

Phyllis,
That was very well written and well reasoned. We do not always agree but who does? You have made several good points. The problem with not looking at all Muslims is that you will miss some.

Many fools say, “I would rather see a thousand guilty men go free than one innocent man be imprisoned”. That is a fool’s statement from the beginning. Of course, our system errs on the side of innocence. However, we do lock up some innocent people. If we were to free 1000 guilty people than one innocent, we would be in awash in murderers and rapists. Same with Jihadis we may never get them all but we know they are all Muslim. At least scrutinize all those that frequent Jihadi websites and make Jihadi statements.

Nov 11, 2009 - 10:57 pm 40. Frank_Mtl:

Awesome. Ms. Chesler, with all due respect, and in the vernacular, YOU ROCK !

Nov 11, 2009 - 11:34 pm 41. Allahu Akbar « Free Us Now Weblog:

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Nov 12, 2009 - 12:05 am 42. Sandy:

Maybe Lou Dobbs has decided to leave CNN for Pajamas Media!

Nov 12, 2009 - 1:22 am 43. stuart williamson:

Mr. Chesler, Iapplaud your your forthright stand against jihad and willingness to stand up to those who apologize or in any way exculpate doctrinaire religious terrorists. I differ with you in one important regard.

Any cause whose basic premise is rule by religion is in direct violation of our Constitution, and thus indefensible and unacceptable, regardless of how “nice” its followers may behave.

You state that you know and work with Muslin feminists, Muslim dissidents, religious and secular. I am no scholar of Islam, and my view is based entirely on observation of the public record, the reading the works of historians and travelers in Muslim lands, and such writers as V.S. Naipaul, plus one lengthy, chilling interview with a devout Muslim business man and leader in his mosque.

The conclusion I have reached is that the Islamic religion is absolutely and monolithically fundamentalist. There is no sliding degree of belief. There are splits, like Sunni and Shia, dating back over a thousand years, but they were based on power conflicts among the Prophet’s descendants. There are no denominations. There are no Unitarian Muslims. Nor are there “New Revised Versions’ of the Quran. I asked my informer about that and he thundered, “Absolutely Not! Never! There will never be a change of one word”. He also said, at the outset, placing a hand on his copy. “Everything you need to know about your life and how to live it is in this book”.

He also made a major case of the Great Day of Judgment, where every follower of Allah and His Prophet must answer for how he abided by the Quran, and if he/she ever spoke a word of doubt or criticism. The Quran is simply a book of rules, of strict obedience, allowing no deviation, no relaxation. Unlike Mormonism, there are no “Jack Muslims”.

Which is why you will never hear any criticism of Jihad terrorism from a “moderate” Muslim. There are undoubtedly gentle Muslims who wouldn’t hurt anybody, much less kill them, but they still truly believe that theirs is the only true faith and is destined to rule the world. – and they are not about to blow their chance for Paradise.

If you deny the Word, you are an apostate, worse than an infidel,and a prime target for Jihad. Like Salman Rushdi.

There is no way to stand up the the very real threat of Muslim expansion, by nuclear weapons, by terror or by demographics, per Mark Steyn’s “America Alone”, without grasping this central truth.
We can’t comprehend how they can come to America, study engineering or Chemistry, see the freedoms we enjoy, and still cling to their primitive, punitive, brutal religion. It is not “morally equivalent” to Christianity.or to Budhism. The only “peace” in what any enlightened person must regard as a foul religion, is that which comes from submission the rule of the Mosque, which is also the “State.

. By any honest analysis Islam is inherently and inevitably 100% unacceptable under our Constitution. Any defense of it is an act of treason, a direct attack on the principles of the Founders.

Now is the time to start, accusations of Islamaphobia or not.

Nov 12, 2009 - 1:31 am 44. beatlejuice:

Sorry I have foot in mouth disease today, “am” suposed to be “may”.

You know I HAD to correct.

“Welcome to the Machine”

Nov 12, 2009 - 2:03 am 45. LeighB:

We have suffered our first terrorist attack under President Obama and his tepid response is likely to embolden others to act in a similar manner. On another note, sorry to see Lou Dobbs go, I look forward to seeing where he goes next (and I will watch).

Nov 12, 2009 - 4:17 am 46. cfbleachers:

Very nice work, Phyllis. But then again, I’m not surprised…you always do nice work.

I’m still harping on my theme that we weaken our arguments when we use the words, phrases and general lexicon of those who mean to steal our information stream from us.

I don’t think there is anything “correct” in political “correctness”. It is political corrosion.

We spend so much time being guilt-tripped into submission when our countrymen, our allies and innocents around the world are being brutalized, tortured, maimed and murdered by a demonic sect of deranged fanatics who use religion as a shroud and God as their bagman.

The fraud perpetrated in the aftermath of every atrocity, is that there is a “cause” behind their acts and a “causation” beneath them, worthy of sympathy and empathy.

This fraud is perpetrated by the leftist bedfellows who have camped just outside the tent of jihadism, burning a fire that is fueled by their inexorable need to blame and guilt-trip Western society for their own gain.

The jihadist excuse, alibi and apologist machine works in concert with the leftist distortion and diversion machine. It is a hand washing back act that appears after each and every atrocity, without fail.

So, I ask this: How can we expect to ever stop an enemy from harming us from the outside, when we refuse to acknowledge that there is an active conspiracy and cover=up taking place daily from the inside?

Our very own information stream is rife with “information jihadists”, kidnapping the truth, torturing the facts, maiming reason and common sense, beheading dissent.

By failing to condemn BOTH the extremists and their internal co-conspirators, we act to condemn ourselves.

Nov 12, 2009 - 5:44 am 47. vivo:

Congratulations Chesler, you’ve got it wrong again.

* * *

You cannot call your program ‘News’ if you are opinionated. Lou Dobbs had to leave. He belongs in Fox, where the news are paranoid rantings.

Nov 12, 2009 - 5:50 am 48. HellenoChristian:

7. MiamaMan: perfectly clearified, thank you.

8. Rubicon: eventually Islamists “convinced” with Petrodollas and Business’s investments.

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Dear Dr. Chesler, I don’t know if your God “maybe, when”, but I think more and more people are coping with Islamic people (if they are Islamists or not, one doesn’t immediately get to know, or first they aren’t, then they get radicalized [*], being they here or in “their” Countries), and with Islamic communities (let me say: they usually are Islamist), and more and more people humanly understand that “there is something in Islam which is impossible to understand (show Understanding).

People like you and others (which generously and bravely take the disturb and the time to expose Islam at “sunlight” – taking it out of the mosques and out of Alazhar or Mecca), are certainly helping a lot in this “understanding” process, and I personally thank you very much.

THE FACT THAT EVERYONE WHO SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT ISLAM, ISLAMISM, AHADITHS, KORAN, PAEDOPHILIA, BATTERING WOMEN, WOMEN’S CONDITION, MASSACRES, SLAVERY, GETS IMMEDIATELY SUED, THREATENED, PSYCHOLOGICALLY OR PHISICALLY PERSECUTED, …, HELPED THE “UNDERSTANDING” TOO.

I mean: by the time, facts and evidences are more and more under people/public’s eyes, and taqiyyah stile senteces are slowly (I wish quickly) loosing their hipnotizing/plagiarizing power. On the other hand, Petrodollars and business’s investments are not going to loose their power, sorry.

About Hitler, Evil, Mental sickness, I did not see the TV program, and I point out that Psychology (the Science) found out that so called (D)evil and Mental sickness are the same thing, expressed by different words. And we might see in Satanism which are the expressions of that sickness, and everyone will agree that “understanding” and “therapies” are not enough in that case, otherwise the number of the (innocent!) victims horribly increases together with the brutality of its acts. I think that thugs find a very comfortable excuse for their behaviour and acts, by joining evil Movements (or Ideologies): they are probably mentally sick, they need/want to commit criminal acts, they join a Movement which allows them to commit them (or they’ll join the Movement after committing them).

Mental sickness is due to several factors, and I am pretty sure it does NOT depend on one’s financial condition (many of so called “antifa” youngs of today are pampered and wealthy youngs, which are most probably mentally sick, and enjoy their time committing acts of violence and vandalism, or occupying their time dreaming about committing them. They are not poor and disvantaged youngs, committing acts of vandalism and violence – Terrorism -, in order to revenge against “the unfair society” [**]).

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A so called Reformist said that Islamic prayer Surat Alfatiha (given to Muhammad) is the same as (Judeo-)Christian prayer The Our Father (given to Jesus): this is a great mistake, and misunderstanding. The very first Islamic prayer hides the seed of Hate toward others (while the very first Christan one doesn’t), which will florish or not, depending on the nurishment it gets. Weirdly, the more you analyze “the very first prayer”, the more you nurish the concerned Faith, and its approach toward others and toward God – English word for Arabic words “Allah” or “Rab” -. In case of (chronical or temporary) Mental sickness, does the “very first prayer” encourages and nurishes Hate or not? Does it increase the sickness or not? Does it encourages Evil or not?

AREN’T THESE THINGS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE STATING WHETHER ISLAM AND ISLAMISM ARE/IS THE SAME OR NOT?

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[*] I knew an independant young, both compassionate and wise. By the time he start being pushed into (arranged) marriage by his family. He (a male) tried to explain in every possible manner that he did not want to get married and he brought evidences of several very famous and positive personalities of Mankind who lived as singles. No way: his beloved ones insisted and insited, and he eventually got married. I was very glad for him, I really believed everything was all right for him. But: afterward, he started getting radicalized. Senseless hate toward the West and toward Westerners, exclusive love for his Islamic (or Islamist) religion, total devotion for Mullah(s) and their – I dare to say – hypnotizing message(s). [At first I did not even know he was an Islamic person (I even knew nothing about Islam), but eventually I dare to think he even became an Islamist person (by the time I know more than nothing about Islam)].

[**] When it comes to “unfair societies”, I’m not tired to remember that III world Countries, Islamized and Islamic Countries, former II world Countries, … are unfairer societies than ours (I world Countries). Fairnessometer: . very visual gap between poors and riches; . freedom of thinking and of expression’s possibilities or impossibilities; . corruption dominating institutions (if you’re object of an injustice or of a crime, you cannot even rely on police’s protection: police is enormously corrupted!); . military service’s conditions; ….

Nov 12, 2009 - 6:22 am 49. Greenconsciousness:

The corporate funded and tax funded “flood the country with immigrants so women and workers lose their hard won rights” movement finally got CNN to get rid of Lou Dobbs. Wonder who their big share holders are.

Nov 12, 2009 - 6:24 am 50. Jesus is Lord, A Worshipping Christian’s Blog » Blog Archive » “Talking With Dobbs ‘Bout Ft. Hood Terrorism on CNN:Pajamas Media vs. Nation Magazine” by Phyllis Chesler:

[...] Read the rest of the article here. [...]

Nov 12, 2009 - 6:58 am 51. Samson:

4. Shoshana Rubin:
Phyllis, I would love to know the difference between a religious Moslem and a jihadi.

since the koran is not open to interpretation I think there is no difference.

I don’t think all the followers of islam understand or wish to fulfill the mandates of the koran but that is a different topic.

the religion if it is a religion is a lie inside a lie.

Nov 12, 2009 - 7:33 am 52. Butterfly Mornings and Wildflower Afternoons:

Dr. Chesler,
I watched you on Lou Dobb’s and my husband did not understand why I would turn on CNN to start with since we do not usually watch them. He said turn it to FOX and I said no we will watch Dr. Phyllis Chesler tonight. I had turned on the DVR to record the show if we missed it, but I was home to watch it.
The truth is I only know what I read on the internet about Islam, and I found many passages from the Koran that are all very mean, but I was looking for the mean passages in the Koran. I was looking for what would make people who claim to be from a “peaceful religion” become murderers and so cult like in my eyes, and I was looking for signs of what would spawn so many terrorist acts. I found what I was looking for in the words of the Koran, pure evil and hate.
I read the passages that speak of fighting, murdering and seem to make it clear that they are not to trust or “be friends” with Christians or Jews. My question to Muslims is do all of them live by these words? Do the people of Islam live by these words in their Koran? I do not understand how a book that is so hateful and full of words of killing can be peaceful.
I then put in a search for Muhammad, and from what I read he was not a good person to say the least, he was another crazy person who wrote a book.
I think people who are “skinheads” or Nazi’s are on the same level as anyone who would live by the words of Muhammad. It is not racist of me to disrespect any people who are “skinheads” or KKK members and it is not racist of me to be aware of the words of the Koran and to scorn them.
Do I hate all Muslims, no, because I refuse to hate any person based on their religion or color of skin, but I do not trust any person who lives by a mean book?
I am curious about the different kinds of Muslims, why so many names and why so many forms that spawn from one cult? I will call Islam a cult, and I seem to agree with some of the things Pat Robertson said yesterday on his show. That is just the truth and I will not lie about how I feel. I do not hate, but I do not like the Koran after reading parts of it. I do not understand how any peaceful person could live by those words and live a peaceful life.

Nov 12, 2009 - 7:48 am 53. Samson:

52. Butterfly Mornings and Wildflower Afternoons:

I was looking for what would make people who claim to be from a “peaceful religion” become murderers and so cult like in my eyes, and I was looking for signs of what would spawn so many terrorist acts. I found what I was looking for in the words of the Koran, pure evil and hate.
I read the passages that speak of fighting, murdering and seem to make it clear that they are not to trust or “be friends” with Christians or Jews. My question to Muslims is do all of them live by these words? Do the people of Islam live by these words in their Koran?

that is the question no one wants to ask.

if they are “good muslims” the answer is yes. but even the good professor doesn’t go there.

WELL PHYLLIS ????

Nov 12, 2009 - 8:03 am 54. Distraught:

alright.. rough draft. 1st read through now, so cr@p

There is a turning point upon us. We need to chose, now, once and for all, whether we will call a thing by it’s name, or obfuscate. Shall we render it naked in our consciousness or will we allow it passage into our way of life. This, threat, is that posed by the fundamentalist extremist of Islam. This threat has been made clear to us, not only by those who shout it in rage, but by the sheer volume of dispicable acts that have been committed in its name; many thousands in the last 10 years alone.

Now this is not to say that Islam is not a peaceful religion. Far from it, as there are billions of muslims around the world that live harmonious, peaceful lives. However, there are also an inordinate number that time and time again have brought death and distruction to the lives of the innocent. Now, it is not the amount alone that is distressing, but that they are all of a particular ’strain’.

What strain you ask? Well just that of Extremist Islamic Fundamentalism. This particular thread of the religion is characterized by just the things you might be expecting: twisted, disconnected view of reality, desire to commit heinous mass murder, cries to Allah as lives are ended in a blink. As you might expect, such traits are rather conspicious, and lend themselves to frequent prior indication by the most casual observer. Now it is not true that all crimes commited by muslim’s fall under this category. However, the one at Ft. Hood was nothing other and we should call it as such, lest we not know: Islamic Terrorism.

This can not be allowed to happend again. My fellow Americans, it is time we stand up for the safety of society, and decide to do away with the irrational thinking that protects the attackers at the sake of the victim. We can not allow clear indications of extremism to go unreported in this day and age, as big things come in small packages. This does not mean we should pry. Quite the opposite. We need to be observant. We need to observe the theological rants and radical leanings when they appear. And then we need to NOT look away. Be brave. For you are now in defense of the country, and if you don’t heed the call, it might be the last.

Nov 12, 2009 - 8:36 am 55. Distraught:

it’s terrorism cause it was more then the effect of the physical injury alone.

Nov 12, 2009 - 8:44 am 56. Distraught:

you want the war-cry, not the batten-down-the-hatches

Nov 12, 2009 - 8:47 am 57. Distraught:

53. Samson: yes I am on it. That would be a home rum.

Nov 12, 2009 - 8:48 am 58. Distraught:

forgive me, little hard to get .in.the.head.of

but, here’s first words:

Last week at Fort Hood, something horrible happened. Something so awful, most people might even call it an atrocity. A human wielding a riffle shot 42 other humans, ending the lives of 13. The victims were American service men and woman, as courageous as any, and as deserving of their lives.

The murderer was also an American serviceman, and this would have been one of the worst mass murders in history; but it wasn’t. It wasn’t because the attack was driven by more than injury. It was driven by ideology, and here we call by it’s name, “Islamist Extremism”.

Nov 12, 2009 - 9:36 am 59. tanstaafl:

“Political correctness was also pulling the trigger together with Major Hasan.”

“(Hasan) was energized by a jihadic era moving in the world.”

Is there really anything else we need to know ?

John Nichols apparently believes Hasan can’t be labelled a terrorist if he acted without formal ties or an organization behind him.

The highly academic debate currently swirling as to Hasan’s formal “terrorist” status strikes me as absurd, not to mention beside the point and insulting to the dead and wounded at Ft. Hood.

If I were one of those soldiers or their families, I’d be thinking of suing the Army for gross dereliction of duty.

Nov 12, 2009 - 9:38 am 60. Reynolds Butler:

Kudos to Phyllis for her committment to truth, justice, and freedom.

Nov 12, 2009 - 9:55 am 61. Delia:

We can’t ignore the truth any longer. That is, if we are going to survive as a nation and as a people of liberty and freedom from tyranny.

No. We cannot turn a blind eye out of fear of being labeled a bigot or Islamophobe:

3 Muslim Men Jailed for Rape of 16 yr old British girl

When misogyny, rape and murder against women, men and children is epidemic in a ‘religious’ culture, it’s time to get honest, like yesterday. Muslim on Muslim and Muslim on Infidel crimes are not ‘rare’ no matter how many ‘moderate’ Muslims would like to tell it differently.

I’m sure there were mostly good people living in the Jim Jones cult but they all ended up having to drink the kool-aid in the end.

Many people grow up indoctrinated into a religion rather than being allowed to make a personal decision about what they choose to believe and that is sometimes unfortunate in the case of violent, hateful belief systems that brain-wash and dictate evil to the masses. It takes a strong spirit to not be broken and a strong mind to not be blinded and a strong heart to break free from the pack…of lies.

Nov 12, 2009 - 9:58 am 62. tanstaafl:

…burning a fire that is fueled by their inexorable need to blame and guilt-trip Western society for their own gain.

It’s working pretty well, don’t you think ?

Apparently, cadres of western academics have been helping out jihadists, inculcating the “guilt trip” mentality for a very long time.

Take our President, who can’t find enough kind words about “Moosims” and Izz-LAM (his pronunciation), an individual whose spin cycle goes on high when any Islamist commits an act of violence. (concomitantly, when it’s “the cops” and a black man, he jumps to another set of pre-ordained conclusions)

Take Canadians, whose “human rights” councils willingly prosecute free speech when some “pretending to be offended” Muslim sees an opening to make some westerner’s life a living hell.

(Cultural) Jihad is easy when the infidel is his own worst enemy.

Nov 12, 2009 - 10:07 am 63. tanstaafl:

“Moosims”

Mooslims

Nov 12, 2009 - 10:10 am 64. johnt:

Vivo, as always you add a lot to the conversation.

Nov 12, 2009 - 10:13 am 65. calatrava:

Phyllis: congratulations for you performance and thank you for your work!

PS. Just learned that Lou Dobbs left CNN.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/11/12/2009-11-12_cnns_john_king_to_replace_lou_dobbs_as_networks_7_pm_anchor_after_dobbs_exit.html

Nov 12, 2009 - 10:26 am 66. Distraught:

This is junk. still getting angle but see better now. starting gn

Last week at Fort Hood, something horrible happened. How Something so awful, most people might even

call it an attrocity. A human wielding a riffle shot 42 other humans, ending the lifes of 13. The

victims were American service men and woman, as courageous as any, and as deserving of their

lives.

The madman was also an American serviceman, and this would have been one of the worst mass

murders in history; but it wasn’t. It wasn’t because the attack was driven by more than injury.

It was driven by ideology, and here we call by it’s name, “Islamist Extremism”.

We all know and respect the Muslim faith as a devout and practicing religion. Their rituals of

prayer surely indicate a dedication and devotion to their faith and it’s preachings. More devout

than Christiany, Islamic youths often spend their whole young adult lives, emersed in the

teachings and wisdom of the Koran. Imagine what wisdon we would find if we were to pour over the

Lord’s Bible daily. If we were not all to do this once a day, would the world not be a better

place? I would like to think that of all religions in fact.

In fact, I think we all would too. As we should, think the best of others. But know this, as

devout as the faith is, there are contradictions, and explainations rightly due and of passages like this:

“Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51)

“Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it.” (Surah 2:216)

“Seek out your enemies relentlessly.” (Surah 4:103-)

Generally speaking, I am willing to give another person the benefit of the doubt, devout or note.
And at the same time I shudder, for were I not wise I might feel
Yet, one can only notice of the visciousness within such words, and the possibility that they bode.

after re-reading the, as you might agree, one might doubt is that the violence is not related to the

ideology. There is no other God whose name is so often used in the screams of ravenous hate and

massacre. Nor is there one that proclaims it superior to all others:

“The only true faith in God’s sight is Islam.” (Surah 3:19)

The right thinking man knows these are likely exagerations, and that they should not be taken as

principles to apply to every devout Muslim. Yet the right thinking man, is also one who blames

himself on foolings twice. And so we do, as there are thousands, and we must ask, “Are these not

in fact the beliefs pronounced by your faith?”. And in doing, beg for an answer, from no singular

throat.

“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them.” (Surah 9:121-)

Of what wisdom is this, that I do not know. And if one could pray tell, then do tell, so. For as

kind as might be, the sounds of close airplanes and screams of ‘Allah’

A resounding is what is called. A rejection in all counts. Not the rationings of a voice, nor the

smile on the TV. It is the face that is needed. A communication that’s face to face. For you see,

the American society, is, despite it’s scattered appearance, a very close knit community of

dwellers. Taughts deeper than we would know. For in times of threat, we band together, and thus

employ our strength.

ief…Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you

victory over them…” (Surah 9:12-)

“Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]…until they

pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.” (Surah 9:27-) word!

Nov 12, 2009 - 10:54 am 67. Anon:

What I found funny about the show was your insistence that there was a difference between Jihadism and Islam. Anyone who reads this column regularly knows that you make no such distinction. I laugh at the idea of your complaints of political correctness, when you don’t have the courage to stand up for your beliefs in a public forum. If you think there’s something wrong with Islam inherently, then you should have the courage of your convictions to stand up and say so in public, so that others can have an honest debate with you. Weaseling out of your hateful rhetoric lowers you in my estimation, though I didn’t think it was possible.

Nov 12, 2009 - 11:19 am 68. Distraugt:

Imagine what wisdon we would find if we were to pour over the

Lord’s Bible daily. If we were not all to do this once a day, would the world not be a better

place? I would like to think that of all religions in fact.

In fact, I think we all would too. As we should, think the best of others. But know this, as

devout as the faith is, there are contradictions, and explainations rightly due and of passages

like this:

“Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51)

“Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it.” (Surah 2:216)

“Seek out your enemies relentlessly.” (Surah 4:103-)

Generally speaking, I am willing to give another person the benefit of the doubt, devout or note.
Yet, one can only notice of the visciousness within such words, and the possibility that they

bode. Surely this can not describe a whole people, and yet in that portion does it not?

Some don’t seem to want to label the attack at Fort Hood as a terrorist act. Well if not, what?
We have seen thousands upon thousands of Jihadist killings over the years. Why is this one so different? Did he not appropriate shout?

Regardless, the idea that somehow we traded a complacent killer for 15 fine young soldiers makes me ill. Call it what you want. Everytime its not identified it is a needless waste of lives.

Nov 12, 2009 - 11:20 am 69. Michael:

Vivo still believes there is no terrorists but only victims of American Big Macs and Levy’s. Yes he believes that orginaized murder and calls for murder are apporpriate. That women and non muslims must be suppressed or murdered where ever they are found.

Righ Vivo?

Nov 12, 2009 - 11:22 am 70. Moho:

When misogyny, rape and murder against women, men and children is epidemic in a ‘religious’ culture, it’s time to get honest, like yesterday.

Delia you really make me laugh. Our prisons are full of non-Islamic rapists. Indeed, the Catholic church has more convicted rapists than Islam does. Is your argument that whenever a person from a certain race or religion commits a crime, everyone from that group should be ostracized. It seems like that’s what you’re arguing.

Nov 12, 2009 - 11:29 am 71. Anon:

Distraught

I’d be interested to know what you think about other murders at our military bases.

In the six years since combat operations began in Iraq, Fort Carson — the country’s third-largest Army base, with 22,000 active soldiers on duty — has become its own kind of killing field. Before Kevin Shields was gunned down, at least three other Iraq War veterans from the base had been arrested for murder, and a fourth had committed suicide after killing his wife. Since then, at least five more GIs at Fort Carson have been arrested in connection with murders, attempted murders or manslaughter. All told, the military acknowledged this summer, 14 soldiers from the base have been charged or convicted in at least 11 slayings since 2005 — the largest killing spree involving soldiers at a single U.S. military installation in modern history.

I’m reasonably confident you had no opinion about this set of murders. Like most of the fools who have jumped on the Jihad bandwagon, you don’t care about the loss of life. Its simply a convenient excuse to demonize people. Really, were these tragedies preventable?

Nov 12, 2009 - 11:44 am 72. Delia:

Moho,

Since when do people of those other religions perform Rape-Jihad in the name of their God and thinking they are right and righteous in doing so? If there was another ‘religion’ that did such things does that make it RIGHT?

And, go to an Islamic country as a FEMALE next time and see how well you’re ‘treated’, Moho.

BTW, if you’re a non-practicing Muslim then why are you such an apologist for Islam’s evil practices and constantly jumping to defend it as if your life depended on it?

Nov 12, 2009 - 11:56 am 73. Graham:

Moho, what’s the point in this statement? “the Catholic church has more convicted rapists than Islam does”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudood_Ordinance.

And how do you take this “When misogyny, rape and murder against women, men and children is epidemic” and derive this “whenever a person from a certain race or religion commits a crime, everyone from that group should be ostracized.” That’s not at all what she said. It’s not even close.

In fact, I’m not sure why you bothered to post at all. Not a single sentence of your short post made any sense in the context of Delia’s comment.

Nov 12, 2009 - 11:59 am 74. Distraught:

well, not sure which posts are new. But can’t help but feel a little insulted… I don;t really have an aversion to anyone, apriori.

Nov 12, 2009 - 12:01 pm 75. Distarught:

because, I have known, more or less, muslins who were nothing but as one would expect from any other.

Nov 12, 2009 - 12:03 pm 76. Distraught:

No you know. what.. Im just tired. I did not convince myself, by watching news, either way what the event was, though I did here of his ‘Jihadist’ leanings… Now rest sure, I would not have posted anything written here without reserve. And frankly was open to considering either actually, but the prior indications and raving ideology kinda of secure that one.

In reality, I was thinking about totally different issues this weekend. bad yes. but I was contributing in other ways.

Nov 12, 2009 - 12:09 pm 77. Delia:

Sharia Law in the UK:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23762591-islamist-group-march-for-full-sharia-law-in-britain.do

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197478/Sharia-law-UK–How-Islam-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html

So much for that religion of ‘peace’ trying to integrate and assimilate into another Country.

Nov 12, 2009 - 12:15 pm 78. blotto:

moho: And you have the facts to back up that preposterous assertion?

The depth of your programmed perversion reduces your ability to respond to or engage in adult debate to the noise one hears in a casino.

Nov 12, 2009 - 12:21 pm 79. Ian:

History is unfolding before our eyes. This is far worse than the Fascist period in history, and worse than Communism.

Absolutely NOTHING is more important than this right now. WE all have to be active participants!

And..we have to get rid of Obama and his “outreach” to Muslims. This is not the time for a Muslim sympathizer in government. We can NOT lose our freedoms!!! Whatever happened to “give me freedom or give me death”.
WE have to fight these bastards. Immigration, NO! Deportation, YES!! Get active now!

Nov 12, 2009 - 12:45 pm 80. Moho:

Blotto:

Of the 4392 priests who were accused, police were contacted regarding 1021 individuals and of these, 384 were charged resulting in 252 convictions and 100 prison sentences, !!!!!!3300 were not investigated because the allegations were made after the accused priest had died!!!!. Thus, 6% of all priests against whom allegations were made were convicted and about 2% received prison sentences to date.[32][80] According to the John Jay report, one-third of the accusations were made in the years 2002-3. Another third of the allegations were reported between 1993 and 2001.[14]

Anything else I can look up for you? It took all of thirty seconds.

Nov 12, 2009 - 12:49 pm 81. Delia:

80. Moho,

What part of the bible are those disgusting pedophiles using to preach that molesting children is ‘okay’? Were these priest out in the ‘open’ with their disgusting ‘acts’ or were they trying to get by with their vile behavior in ’secret’ because the KNEW IT WAS WRONG.

Jihadists have no compunction over claiming that rape and murder is ‘okay’ in the name of ALLAH and guess who gets punished for rape in most Muslim countries? THE VICTIM.

How many Christians have you met think people in the clergy who commit crimes are doing God’s work?

Go put on a Chador and move to Pakistan for a few years.

Nov 12, 2009 - 1:06 pm 82. Moho:

What? No one willing to call Catholicism a religion of rape? Typical lack of thought. Chesler exploits your bigotry.

Nov 12, 2009 - 1:18 pm 83. Graham:

Very good Moho, you are half way there. “the Catholic church has more convicted rapists than Islam does.” That there is a comparison Moho. You still need to provide more data.

And the comment will still be irrelevant to the context in which it was offered.

Nov 12, 2009 - 1:19 pm 84. The Road Less Traveled:

Recently I started reading from this lunatic book, and if I can say aloud that I detest Nazi’s, then I most certainly will tell the truth about the words in the Koran, and they are evil. Evil is evil and there is no in between. All I can say is this does not seem like a “peaceful religion” and this is just a few excerpts of why I think it seems to fall into a category of a killing cult.
After reading what kind of book they have it is clear, there is never peace in the Middle East, hate is the culprit, and hate is their written word.

Sources;
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy – a fierce slaughter – murdered, a horrible murdering.”

Is this accurate; are there really people who live by these words?

Nov 12, 2009 - 1:24 pm 85. CrossBow33:

Moho:

So…???

Nov 12, 2009 - 1:25 pm 86. Moho:

The rate of rape is so low among Muslims in the US, that there is no data, you idiot. You might as well ask the rate of rape amongst Zorastrians. The fact there is data about convictions amongst Catholic priests, and none for muslims would tell a normal individual that the former is an issue, and the latter not. That’s why, I’m sure, this point escaped you.

Nov 12, 2009 - 1:30 pm 87. Delia:

It sure as hell is happening in Sweden and in the UK…

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/rampant-rape-epidemic-of-british-girls-by-muslim-men/

http://www.libertysecurity.org/article2283.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britain-warned-of-new-wave-of-islamic-terrorism-1704328.html

I guess it’s politically correct to wait and see how many Muslims we need to invade our country and demand Sharia Law before we start seeing problems like the aforementioned hmm?

Not in your life, buster!

Nov 12, 2009 - 1:55 pm 88. Jaladhi:

“True there are those who want to reform Islam from within, but they go against the teachings of their scriptures.”

Who are tose?

It’s only the non-Muslims wish!!! No Muslim wants any reform in Islam/Quran for to do so will be going against Allah. Thus no reformation of Islam is possible
…

Nov 12, 2009 - 3:43 pm 89. MiamaMan:

48. HellenoChristian:

[and I point out that Psychology (the Science) found out that so called (D)evil and Mental sickness are the same thing, expressed by different words]

Unless there is a physical lesion, a genetic defect at formation, or an accident, mental maladies are the result of possessions by dark forces. At the individual level, it happens that the person often likes the effect of the possession, usually with much ambition, vanity, combined with stupidity and a terrible pride. They often feel and obtain exceptional powers, as was the case of Hitler.

At the mass level, there is also collective madness and what I would call “umbrella possessions” that also produce exceptional powers. This is the case of Islam; extremely powerful entities, which can be aptly called the Devil, bent on destroying human kind and thwarting the Almighty Father, are totally behind Islam today.

We, in occult circles, know that Hitler was used and possessed by one of the 4 original forces of evil (rebellious beings or angels at the beginning): The Lord of Falsehood, who likes to call himself the Lord of the Nations, very aptly as the world still is under the spell of evil. He left Hitler and Germany as soon as Hitler committed suicide. After some wanderings and travels, he now uses a turban and cries Allah u Akbar.

It is thus that all decent, law-abiding, freedom-loving people should fight and denounce the Islamic scourge with all their might.

For more about the Hitler phenomenon, please read recent book written by my friend, and Auroville resident, Georges Van Vrekhem, “Hitler and His God”:
http://www.amazon.com/Hitler-His-God-Background-Phenomenon/dp/8129109530/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258066019&sr=1-1

Nov 12, 2009 - 3:47 pm 90. MiamaMan:

54. Distraught:

[This can not be allowed to happend again. My fellow Americans, it is time we stand up for the safety of society, and decide to do away with the irrational thinking that protects the attackers at the sake of the victim.]

You are not the only one distraught, my friend.

The most important thing, the number one thing we must do is to boot out the Muslim-in-the-Closet currently in the White House. Of course, vote in in 2010 those that understand this threat, like Senator Lieberman (doesn’t have to be Republican necessarily).

In the meantime, time to take out the Kentucky rifles from the closet and clean and oil them, sharpen the Bowie knives. Just in case.

As for me, I would choose death a thousand times than live in a Muslim society under Sharia Law.

Nov 12, 2009 - 4:04 pm 91. Graham:

You didn’t say “in the US”. Those goal posts must get kind of heavy. Besides, since when does absence of evidence equate to evidence of absence. For example, you have yet to demonstrate any evidence of thinking, yet that absence doesn’t lead me to believe you are incapable of it.

In any event, as 85 says, So? So what? Please explain to me what comparable rates of catholic priest rape convictions vs muslim rape convictions in the U.S. has to do with condemning a legal system that keeps 100’s of millions of women hostage to barbaric rape laws.

Nov 12, 2009 - 4:30 pm 92. tanstaafl:

mO-hO’s MO is… to formulate some tedious argument that whatever atrocity & horror is perpetrated anywhere, anytime in the world in the name of Islam (Ms. Chesler notes there have been in excess of 14,000 incidents since 2001)…well, westerners and Christianity are worse.

Thus, inside Mo-Ho’s desperate brain, whatever Nidal Hasan did in the name of his religion in Ft. Hood is mitigated by the fact that, in recent years, America has had more than its share of incidents of crazed individuals going into schools and work places to conduct carnage.

Why is the “rate of rape” among Muslims in the US relevant on anybody’s planet and how does it relate to the travesty perpetrated by some Catholic priests (all over the world) onto children ?

Inside mO-hO’s brain, are practitioners of Islam so relatively good (compared to evil westerners & Christians) that “rape” doesn’t happen in the Muslim world ? Hell, Shiites in particular have that cute little device of temporary marriage to legitimize rape, not to mention blaming and punishing the victim when an uncle or someone takes a fancy to a young girl and destroys her life. Or what happens to a girl when the father deems she has “dishonored” the family.

See how all this moral equivalency BS works ?

Nov 12, 2009 - 4:47 pm 93. George S.:

Delia

no point trying to debate or reason with the troll.

they are dishonest in their communications and run you around and by try to make you defend yourself outside the topic being discussed.

it does not ever answer your question by try to make a moral equivalence which doesn’t exist.

if you have ever been in a muslim country you will see this duplicity in every discussion. it doesn’t need to be a debate. they are incapable of leaving their koranic teachings out. god willing they can lie without considering it a failing.

Nov 12, 2009 - 5:03 pm 94. CrossBow33:

Moho:

Ten or twenty years ago, before all these priests’ misdeeds became common knowledge, we might have said the same about them. What you might have said was “the reported rate of rape….”. Perhaps not.

Do we have a special, particular, personal axe to grind?

Nov 12, 2009 - 5:16 pm 95. vivo:

64. johnt:

“Vivo, as always you add a lot to the conversation.”

Didn’t I say plenty with a few words? Did you add to the conversation?

69. Michael:

“Righ Vivo?”

No, you made all that up. It’s called libel.

Nov 12, 2009 - 10:03 pm 96. Carol:

Thank you Ms. Chesler. Right on the mark, as always.

Nov 12, 2009 - 10:41 pm 97. HellenoChristian:

Moho: the rate of rape in Islamic communities is simply uncountable, because children/girls/women/boys (!) cannot even denounce them – no one in their community will back them, they will rather back the rapist (if he is a male/man, of course). In the West the rape rate is enormous among Islamic immigrants: another factor which makes definitely state that ISLAMIC IMMIGRATION IS A PLIGHT for the World (World).

MiamaMan: I totally agree with the things you explained. I think the same and I more and more see the similitarities between Hitlerian Nazism and Muhammadan Islam, and people’s reaction to it. In the West many people perfectly know how dreadful Islam is, but they publically shut up, and at the opposite they try to appease that (D)evil, because they completely fear it sadist reaction in case of criticism. Same went with Hitlerian Nazism.

The Love that mentally sick people experience for their (hateful) Leader, it again is something which ties Hitlerian Nazism to Muhammedan Islam.

I am very interested in what you say about occult Circles: I just wonder why some people belonging to them praise Barack Hussein as the “new elightened man” and praises Muhammad? [I wouldn't quote names but a very well known psychiatrist and expert in aesotherical matters publically praised Obama and his Islamic root: the personality is an American citizen, with Indian and Hindu roots. I mean: a free man, living in a free Country, carrying Hindu/Indian wisedom who ignore Islamic (D)evil? Even occult and spiritual Circles suffer of IGNORANCE or ... evil possession? This scares/worries me a lot].

Based on this fact(s) I think that Islamic people (human Beings) are ALL mentally sick (Islamist) if they FREEWILLINGLY adhere to Islam, and this makes them not different than Nazist fellows of Hitlerian Nazism.

If there were a difference between Islamic people (but there isn’t: shahadah clearly states faithfulness to Allah and Muhammad, and Koran, Ahadith and Sirah are there to be read, and WORLD’S REALITY to be seen/aknowledged) and Islamists, Islamic people would aknowledge the danger of Islamic (virtual and practical) migration in the whole World, and would FIGHT IT BACK much more vigorously.

This doesn’t happen, and even so called/allegedly Moderates or Reformers, when it comes to criticize the very core of (D)evil, they rather accuse you of Islamophobia (…), and start defaming and insulting you. I just read an article about Fort Hood massacre by a well know Reformist: he talked about Islamic mistreatement of others all around the World … but lightening it very much! He did not mention about normal citizen’s persecution, kidnapping, rape, forced conversion, looting, Mafia style unofficial “jizia” payement and esle.

How reliable those so called Reformist and anti Islamists/Islamism are? (Rethorical question).

SHORTLY: I AM VERY WORRIED. WE ARE STILL LIVING THE RACISM EXPERIENCED BEFORE 60S, AND HITLERIAN NAZISM ALIKE ATMOSPHERE, (THIS TIME) AT THE HANDS OF ISLAM AND ISLAMIC PEOPLE (MOST PROBABLY THOSE THINGS ALREADY EXISTED IN THEIR VERY WORLD, BUT WE – IN THE WEST – DID NOT KNOW IT!), AND POLITICIANS AND POLITICS AND EVEN SOME OCCULT CIRCLES ARE LETTING US SINKING, OUR CHILDREN AND NEPHEWS, SUPPORTING (FOR A REASON OR ANOTHER) THAT SADIST, TOTALITARIAN, DICTATORIAL, MYSOGINIST, PAEDOPHILE, RACIST, … IDEOLOGY CALLED ISLAM (OR ISLAMISM), WHICH IS BASED ON HATE, SWEETENED BY “BEAUTIFUL CALLIGRAPHY AND THE NICE SOUND OF AZHAN”. TERRIBLE.

Nov 13, 2009 - 12:42 am 98. Tina Trent:

OK, Moho. Which crime statistics from Islamic countries? Making things up (and why is it always denial of some victimization, rape or murder or genocide?) gets easier when you hide behind a fake name, but even cowards should set standards for themselves.

I wonder if you’re an academician, or a journalist?

The Lou Dobbs debate was interesting. I thought the Nation writer withdrew — almost acknowledging, though his silence, that he was cognizant that “his side” had pushed a false interpretation too far. I’m sorry Dobbs is leaving CNN. This “journalism as graduate school, complete with ideological policing” needs to be confronted from within.

Nov 13, 2009 - 7:30 am 99. MiamaMan:

97. HellenoChristian:

[I am very interested in what you say about occult Circles: I just wonder why some people belonging to them praise Barack Hussein as the “new enlightened man” and praises Muhammad?]

I smell Deepak Chopra here. I respect his opinions, but am neither a fan nor an admirer of new paradigms that are never explained. He is also a liberal of the first water. I seat on the political spectrum surely to the left of Hitler, a little to the right of Genghis Khan.

What he knows about the occult? Don’t make me laugh please, my friend. Indian wisdom???? In general, Indian Gurus have abused so many people in the West that their credibility is about level with a car salesman (a little below a Realtor).

The occult circle I mentioned is of the first order. It comes straight from a certain Polish Jew who renamed himself Max Theon (Highest God), traveled extensively and settled in a little town in Algeria called Tlemcen. THE MOTHER OF THE SRI AUROBINDO ASHRAM, Mirra Alfassa (by race Sephardi Jew) stayed in Tlemcen a few months and rapidly surpassed his then mentor. I don’t doubt for a second that she had the highest occult power and knowledge of the 20th century, for if I were to tell you here some of the thing she accomplished, surely you and other will think I am off my rockers.

I have a webpage dedicated solely to the Mother and these topics, but I prefer not to provide the net address here.

Nov 13, 2009 - 9:03 pm 100. HellenoChristian:

MiamaMan: thank you for your answer, I appreciate The Mother though I knew more about “her Mentor”. I’m still thinking that India and Hinduism provided deep spiritual Insight, and I anyway do not deny what you say about fake Gurus. Not to forget that Siddharta Gautama (the Buddah) was and Hinduist before going his way and achieving his Enlightenment and same goes for Zoroaster (coming from Hinduist family). India was and still be a very spiritual Nest of our human Civilization, this is what I think and I believe in (or I am aware of), though I don’t deny that other Civilizations harbored and harbor deep spiritual Knowledge (Egypt and so called Middle East did it – far far far before Muhammad saw the Daylight of this World -,, with his Pharaonic Knowledge, Judaism and Hermes Trismegistus), and China + Areas around (Japan).

About fake Gurus and so on, I must say I like very much Jiddu Krishnamurti insightful Insight (willing to put it that way): his way of reasoning correspond to the my nowadays way of reasoning [in the past I could already enjoy the Wisedom of Authors like the one we mentioned in our Comments, and others - which are anyway still "affecting" my thoughts, my views, my life].

Thank you for your views about D.P., and about The Mother: I personally doubt I would think you’re “off your rockers” – there are other women which accomplished great “things”. Let’s remember: “the Sun” (…) in Shintoism is associated to a female deity/power (this says me a lot); yogini of Tantrism appearently accomplished a lot too; then we have other women (family name starting with B.) which accomplished things; …. I mean: I won’t be surprised A WOMAN ACCOMPLISHING A LOT (I am actually surprised every time women live at men’s shadow – but this is what’s at most happening -).

We were talking about Islam(ism) though: about women, we have that claim about Aysha being “the mother of believers”, and when it comes to her being raped [*] by a far older man, it is said that to be unavoidable, in order to turn her into a brilliant figure of Sunnism. HERE (AND NOT JUST HERE) IS THE/A TRICK WHICH HAS TO BE EXPOSED ….

[*] A Yemeni lawyer self stated that paedophile marriages are nothing else but rapes. I agree.

I HELLENICALLY WISH YOU AND US ALL: TRUTH, GOOD, AND BEAUTY.

Nov 13, 2009 - 10:51 pm 101. Remy:

” The rate of rape is so low among Muslims in the US, that there is no data, you idiot. You might as well ask the rate of rape amongst Zorastrians. The fact there is data about convictions amongst Catholic priests, and none for muslims would tell a normal individual that the former is an issue, and the latter not. That’s why, I’m sure, this point escaped you.”
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HOWEVER, the RATE of ABUSE/HONOR KILLINGS and DEATH of Muslim Women by the Hand of their OWN FAMILY MEMBERS, TOTALLY out-weighs the statistics of ANY civilized country. To Quote YOU ” You idiot.”

The rate of RAPE is low among Muslims in America simply because Americans do not VALUE Rape/degridation of woman as Islam does!! AND these poor women DON’T REPORT IT you “idiot” because they are so afraid of their family, KILLING THEM, in an HONOR killing. Which the savage MUSLIMS do ALL over the world!

What a Happy man you must be! You get to legally KILL any woman in the NAME of ISLAM! UNLIKE Christianity, who CONDEMNS killing.

Those Priests you so gleefully condemn?

They are NOT Christians!!! You may call yourself anything…an American (just like the lovely Allah-lover at Fort Hood who had NO problem killing 13 people in the name of Allah!) OR a Muslim, or a Christian… Doesn’t MAKE YOU ONE!!

You follow the tenants of Islam, and you rightfully kill un-believers. Especially those pesty Jews!

You follow Christ, and you go to the Cross.

Totally different.

I’ve worked with a lovely, kind Muslim man and a Zoastran. BOTH, from India. And both, kind and unassuming. They are welcome in any society. That’s the BEAUTY of America!

Americans WANT to accept any decent person. We do not care from where they came. But we do care about their character.

Nov 13, 2009 - 11:02 pm 102. Omar:

On the issue of islamic rape:

From the previously heteogeneous areas of Norwawy, I found this article:

” . . . 16 of the 17 aggravated rapes and rape attempts in Stavanger (Norway) in the past two years were committed by men of non-Western background. Of the 18 men involved, only one was ethnic Norwegian. The violent rapes included six ‘taxi rapes’ [ed: these caused the police to advise women not to get into taxis alone].

. . .

[Quoting a high ranking police official]

“When a lightly dressed, intoxicated woman gets in alone into a taxi, the starting point is that she’s already sinned. A Muslim woman can’t do that. Those who attacked and raped women in the street thought that they were within their rights. They saw an intoxicated woman without an escort. She’s then considered fair game in some Muslim communities. And by their own perception, the men think that women have no value as witnesses in a criminal case,” says Thorsen. . . ”

I believe this statistic of the vast majority of rapes being committed by muslim immigrants is repeated in other areas of Europe, as I’ve seen similar statistics from islamic enclaves in other countries as well (Sweden comes to mind). Of course, its somewhat deceptive to just look at rapes involving “western” women. Such women do not live in submission to islamic law, and therefore are not protected by the social compact of islamic law. I think one of the more interesting statistics I’ve come across are prison statistics from Pakistan. For some time, the vast majority of imprisoned women were those who, having laid a charge of rape, were unable to provide the requisite witnesses. Sadly, once having admitted to “unlawful sex” in the course of asserting the rape charge, they found THEMSELVES imprisoned, rather than the rapist. . . . Given the extreme legal risks and obstacles to conviction – as well as the dire social consequences for a muslima steeped in the brutality and dupilcity of islamic honor culture – it is astounding that any muslima anywhere in the islamic world would be fool enough to lay a charge of rape . . . Better to retreat to the safety of your house and you hijab and your gender aparteid ( just like Sheik Hilali in Oz suggests), since the law won’t protect you anyway.

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2009/11/norway-intoxicated-woman-on-her-own.html

Nov 14, 2009 - 12:58 am 103. Omar:

To be fair, the Stavanger case seems extreme. Rather than a “vast majority” being committed by muslim immigrants, it would probably be more accurate to say, “a disproportionate share.”

Nov 14, 2009 - 1:03 am 104. charlze:

Islam, Radical Islam,Islamic reform. This is all nonsense. The so-called “Radical Islam”, the Islam of Jihad is the Islam that follows the teachings and example of its founder Mohamed. “Reformed Islam” is an oxymoron and would not in fact be Islam. Any religion that that holds up an individual who was an unrepentant warlord, murderer,torturer,terrorist,misogynist,rapist,racist,thief,and pedophile as the ultimate example of what a man should aspire to be can hardly be considered as having anything to contribute to twenty-first century civilization.
There is, however, one thing that Islam does that we must respect: It unabashedly names its enemy -us- that is anyone who is not Muslim. They have no intention of living in peace with anyone else. They have told us that they want to kill us and when they get the opportunity to kill us they do it.
They have have set the terms; a battle to the death, us or them, and unless we have have the courage to stop looking for a “Moderate Islam”, acknowledge the truth,name our enemy,Islam, and carry the battle to them we have no chance of winning.

Nov 14, 2009 - 1:38 am 105. MiamaMan:

100. HellenoChristian:

Thanks. On Indian gurus, I was referring to those who come to the West for personal gains.

India is, indeed, the spiritual motor of the world. The Rg Veda the oldest and more profound scripture of mankind, still to unveil layers of wisdom.

Buddhism is without a doubt a Hindu faith, its goal an impersonal Nirvana, similar to Advaita Vedanta, which goal is the personal Brahman.

Muhammad’s religion, Islam, was a combination of great wisdom with hallucinations of the worst kind, inspired by evil forces.

About the Mother, when she lived under someone’s shadow was only a temporary expedience to advance or help the companion. She was way superior to all men that crossed her life, but for Sri Aurobindo, of whom she was an equal, as Aurobindo himself often repeated.

Nov 14, 2009 - 5:51 am 106. aussie:

On the subject of rapes being committed by men who just happen to be Muslim, in Australia we had at least 2 cases of multiple rapes. In the first “case” the group were Lebanese; they raped a number of young women. (I should add that both sets of rapes happened in Sydney). They followed the young women on the train and then followed them at the station. In some cases they kidnapped them into a car. The rapes were really horrendous for the young victims. In the second case the rapists were of Pakistani origin, and they were brothers. In the end their father, who was a doctor also got into trouble.

Both sets of cases highlighted the fact that these men saw nothing wrong with kidnapping and attacking young western women because “the girl asked for it”. The favourite retort being the way the girl was dressed gave them permission to abuse her body. Actually, in both cases it can be argued that these rapes were hate crimes, but “shh, do not tell the press that Muslims indulge in hate crimes against Western women” because that would spoil the meme of Muslims being the victim.

Anyway in both sets of cases the rapists were found guilty and given long sentences in prison.

Not all Lebanese Muslims or Pakistani Muslims behave in this way. Also, men of European and British origin have been found guilty of rape, it is just that those rapes are not hate crimes. As an example, the Anita Cobby case was perpetrated by men who were not Muslim. It was a vicious rape and murder, but it was not a hate crime as in it was not racist. It was an anti-woman crime.

Nov 14, 2009 - 11:06 pm

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