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1. George Jochnowitz:

Jail for threatening violence against his daughter? In the days of my callow youth, pretty much every day one heard mothers saying to their children, “If you don’t finish your peas, I’ll kill you.” I don’t remember hearing fathers saying things like that, but maybe they did. Undoubtedly the case in Canada was a serious threat, which makes all the difference in the world–unlike the mothers in the 1940s, who were simply being poetic in their choice of words.
Murder is illegal in every state in the USA. I don’t know what the laws are concerning spousal abuse, genital mutilation, et al. These no doubt should all be made federal offenses, but if they were, there would be a great outcry about states’ rights. I have read the Qur’an, and I’m reasonably sure that genital mutilation is not commanded. It is generally a practice found only among African Muslims, to the best of my knowledge. On the other hand, the Qur’an says wife beating is OK, if my memory is correct.

Nov 13, 2009 - 3:28 pm 2. heathermc:

Since an honour killing or beating a wife or daughter for not living down to Muslim ‘law’ is always a family affair, it should be obvious that we must apply laws against ‘conspiracy’ to this sort of crime.

I am so proud of Canada. It makes a difference, to have a Conservative government in power! Harper may look boring but he is a great leader.

Nov 13, 2009 - 3:38 pm 3. MiamaMan:

Phyllis, allow me to make a point about Hindus and honor killing:

1) India is a large country with 1.2-1.3 billion inhabitants. 200 million are illiterate. 180 million are Muslims, Sikhs about 24 million, Christians a little over the Sikhs.

2) When you place Hindus in the same wagon as Sikhs and Muslim while referring to honor killings in your articles (several times before also), a qualification should be made that, although honor killing occurs sporadically in India among Hindus, is not exported with immigration to the US. I sincerely do not know of a single honor killing committed by Hindus in the US. May be you know (not Muslim Indians, that is another story). People that do not know India and the American Hindu community may be lead to thing that honor killing is also a problem among Hindus in the US, which is not. Sikhism, even though may be considered within Hinduism, was an attempt to synthesize Hinduism and Islam, and is different.

3) Alas,there are about 2 million Hindus in the US and about 3 million Muslims, but we never or rarely hear from the Hindus. Almost every ethnic group here had or have organized crime as an enterprise (Mafia, etc, the Jews no exception, specially in New York decades ago: Meyer Lanski, Bugsy Siegel et al), the Hindus have never done that. They usually mind their business.

4) For example, I just received an email from the HAF (Hindu American Foundation, of which I am a member): American Jewish Committee (AJC) employs over 120 individuals to represent a 6 million strong community.
Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) employs over 60 individuals to represent a 3 million strong community. HAF employs a meager 4 individuals to represent a 2 million strong community. Very Indian.

5) Needles to say, Hindu scriptures are among the most pacific in the world, the word Ahimsa (non-violence) made popular by Gandhi, runs deep in Indian culture. The Bhagavad Gita although centered around the famous battle of Kurukshetra (Mahabharata), is a manual of Yoga, Self-Realization, and individual Dharma, so when Arjuna hesitates in the battlefield, Krishna admonished him and told him to fight as that was his Dharma as a warrior (Kshatriya).

Nov 13, 2009 - 4:22 pm 4. David W. Lincoln:

Progressivism, which brought us multiculturalism, political correctness, is cultural sterility.

As long as stuff happens which is out of bounds by people who prefer Gramsci to Adler, the Gramsci followers will conclude that anything out of bounds, is irrational, and possibly treatable.

Well, nice try, but that way of thinking resembles a sieve far more than it resembles anything hermetically sealed.

There is stuff that goes on which exceeds the depths of intellect and imagination.

So, finally Canadians, at this time, have leadership in Ottawa which has paid attention
to Freud in that social institutions and human
history are the result of a process of repressing unconscious hostilities.

This looks to be step one. Step two would be
an affirmation of freedom of speech by reigning in “human rights” witch trials.

Nov 13, 2009 - 4:23 pm 5. MiamaMan:

This a great step forward, and I applaud Canada and the Canadians for it.

As Mr. Lincoln wrote, it is a matter of leadership, so as expressed before, for something similar to occur in the US, we must first vote out the Muslim-in-the-Closet currently in the White House.

Nov 13, 2009 - 4:42 pm 6. Tina Trent:

Does Canada have RICO-type laws? Surely they do. In America, our rules abdicating “bystanders” to crimes have limited the possibility of some prosecutions. But criminal conspiracy and even gang laws might be applied. Also, there are child abuse investigations which may be brought to bear — despite what happened in Orlando, which was simply the product of one jurisdiction.

Much comes down to partnering with prosecutors. And keeping the issue in the headlines, where legal decisions, sadly, seem to be made these days.

Nov 13, 2009 - 4:48 pm 7. MiamaMan:

In his speech in Cairo, Obama praised the “holly Koran” many times (Ad nauseam), after the speech there was no doubt in the mind of the Muslims in Cairo and other places that Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Hamilton, Franklin, even Aaron Burr, were really Muslims in disguise, for Obama time and again went back to the “great contributions of Muslims throughout American history”, a fallacy and an exaggeration of staggering proportions that were hidden among his usual rhetoric without any substance, empty phrases and words like “change” and other intangibles.

He, and his wife, apparently have a secret agenda against America, for how to explain his 20 years attending the loony bin of Reverend Wright?

He is, in my humble opinion, the worst thing that have happened to this country since Benedict Arnold.

Nov 13, 2009 - 6:42 pm 8. Madashell:

Well it’s good to know I have a country nearby to move to once Obama and his Regressives remove all my rights and decide I need I need to convert, cover myself from head to toe, and be their servant just before they murder me.

Nov 13, 2009 - 8:57 pm 9. Omar:

George J:

” . . . It[FGM] is generally a practice found only among African Muslims, to the best of my knowledge . . ”

I’ve been trying to figure this one out myself. As best I can tell, it loosely tracks the influence of the Shafii school of islam. Since Shafii is the predominate school in Indonesia (as well as much of Africa, as you mention), rates of FGM there approach 97% – and with no pre-islamic tradition to blame it on, either . . .though as I understand it, it does not generally involve the more brutal “infibulation.”

Nov 14, 2009 - 12:15 am 10. Greenconsciousness:

FGM is practiced among US Somalians in the US which is another reason our immigration bureaucracy needs to be reorganized to do what Canada and Britain are starting to do.

Nov 14, 2009 - 7:53 am 11. Alan:

I sure wish we had Harper in the White House instead of that Muslim, Muslim-Appeasing *****.

Nov 14, 2009 - 10:13 am 12. Lou Santacroce:

My comment? Do it and do it now. And let it apply not only to immigrants, but to all. We may not be able to deport native-born criminals and their families (oh, for an uninhabited island to which we might exile them!), but we can build some more super-max prisons in the middle of nowhere (there’s still some of that left in America) where we can warehouse them for the rest of their lives. Ever watch the Canadian News on one of your cable stations? It’s a great cure for insomnia. Seems as if nothing of importance ever happenes in the Great North. Until something of REAL importance — like the things of which Phyllis has here written — happens; then, they spring into action. And, funny, but I haven’t heard any Canadian news analyists pontificating about whether their government might be “interfering” with the “cultural identity” of muslims by imposing such “restrictions” on their “religious practices.” Instead, they are basically saying, “Look; we live like civilized human beings here. If you want to act like barbarians, go somewhere else. And if you don’t want to get out, we’ll PUT you out!” Thank you, neighbors of the Great North, for coming up with a near-perfect solution to this problem. Let’s hope our own government will get over it’s usual “why should we take advice from another country” approach (as they did when El Air tried to advise them on how to screen airline passengers; if we had listened, 9/11 might have been stopped at the entry gate) and listen.

Nov 14, 2009 - 11:05 am 13. westerncanadian:

Thumbs up to Mr Harper and his immigration Minister Jason Kenney. Some plain english somehow crept into a government document.

Nov 14, 2009 - 11:26 am 14. truepeers:

The government is to be commended yes; but let’s keep in mind that speaking out against violence against women is, while laudable, not so hard to do within the strictures of the reigning “white guilt” ideology in which women are a victimary group. Next the government needs to speak out against all forms of political-religious supremacism that advocate violence and violent overthrow of an established “white”, Western order of free-speaking democracy and free markets. And then they need to defant their own “human rights” commission accordingly.

Nov 14, 2009 - 12:02 pm 15. HellenoChristian:

1) George: it is in the Sunnah (ahadith) but as

9) Omar said, “infibulation” is appearently not mentioned .

3) MiamaMan, I think Hinduism represents violence, too (Shiva, Kali, …). I think the battle of Kurukshetra could inspire offensive violence, instead of inner struggle. Anyway usually Hinduists get very spiritual teachings from the very beginning of their life, therefore they usually become peaceful … or passive … people. Women in Hinduist societies are usually not treated as equals, and at least at the lowest levels of society they get mistreated.

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About the disincentives, I would condemn the whole Islamic community there, and deport them all back to their Countries. I think the community will put a bit more pressure on the murderer, not to let him murder his daughter/sister/…: otherwise, what will it happen? That the community will still push the male relative to kill the female which dishonored Islam … sorry … the family, and who is going to pay for all this pressure? The single family only. Not fair enough.

I am thinking now that issuing a “plan” about “mandatory activities for a girl/woman’s health”, could help. For instance, those girls which are practically jailed at home, doing the maids of the whole rest of the family, feeling frustrated and sad, having nothing else but hoping that “God” will save them (which won’t happen, never), will benefit of public protection: the State will ensure them “very basic Rights”, like “having a break”, “going out for a walk”, “meet other people”, …, regularly and directly checking that the girl/woman actually experience these Rights. Maybe the “health’s plan” should rather talk about DUTIES?

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About Muslims’ appeasement I more and more realize it’s done due to the threats that the Islamic world poses to others, in case they oppose to Islamic requests.

I was watching a news about Switzerland, where the ban of minarets could very soon become a reality (Swiss population will choose whether to ban them or not): Alazhar, from Egypt, just issued an “opinion” (to “help” Swiss voters making a choice), which is, not to vote for that ban otherwise there will be problems between the Islamic world and the West, because – the sheikh of Alazhar remembered – everyone knows that Islam teaches Peace.

(…)

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Therefore, anything which is clearly linked to Islam cannot be criticized or banned (otherwise The Religion of Peace will commit violence against others – even if it already does so -), but

DISHUMAN PRACTICES WHICH ARE CALLED FOR WHAT THEY ARE (AND NOT ACCORDING TO THEIR RELIGIOUS BELONGING – ISLAMIC -), COULD MAYBE BE SUCCESSFULLY DENOUNCED, CRITICIZED AND BANNED.

Sort of: ban Sadism but not Marquise De Sade (praise him).

Nov 14, 2009 - 12:09 pm 16. David Thomson:

The slaughter of thirteen people at Fort Hood may be the straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back. It is focusing the minds of people who normally don’t spend five minutes a week worrying about political matters. They demand action. These folks did not attend an “elite” university and become thoroughly indoctrinated with the views of the politically correct class. In their way of looking at the world, Maj. Hasan is a scumbag and not a victim of white imperialism. Gold help the elected official who fails to comprehend their valid concerns.

Nov 14, 2009 - 12:41 pm 17. Gianni:

This is very interesting. I would boot out of the country any religious preacher of any religion who advocate violent sexist behaviour.
Female genital mutilation and poligamy must be banned on a legislative level, and, at the same time, feminist grassrots organisations should be supported and funded to help fight these heinous practise an a social, cultural and educational level.
As for poligamy there is now in British Columbia a lawsuit involving a mormon sect. If they win it will be a disaster. Thta’s why I support Maryam Nmaazie appriach.
ONE LAW FOR ALL. And no excpetion for anyone.

Nov 14, 2009 - 12:48 pm 18. Canada has a message for its immigrants:

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Nov 14, 2009 - 1:04 pm 19. Laura:

My idea would be to end islamic immigration for one thing. Then we wouldn’t be having to deal with these problems.

Nov 14, 2009 - 1:25 pm 20. MiamaMan:

15. HellenoChristian:

[3) MiamaMan, I think Hinduism represents violence, too (Shiva, Kali, …). I think the battle of Kurukshetra could inspire offensive violence, instead of inner struggle.]

What has Shiva, Kali to do with violence? Do you think that the garland of bloody heads around Mahakali’s neck has anything to do with violence as we know it? These bloody heads are the heads of your SHADOW. Find out first how Jung defined our shadow. Mahakali is the scorcher of our defects, we should offer our Shadow to her as sacrifice.

Kurukshetra…offensive violence? Not at all. Sometimes differences must be settled on the battlefield. Krishna told Arjuna to fulfill his Dharma. The Gita then uses the setting to teach Yoga. Each chapter ends in Sanskrit thus:

OM, tat sat iti, Srimad Baghavad Gita su, Upanishad su, Brahmavidyayam, Yogashastre, Sri Krishna Arjuna Sanvade.

Meaning: OM, the truth to you, the great Baghavad Gita, the essence of the Upanishads, the science of God Knowledge, the Scripture of Yoga, the conversation between Krishna and Arjuna.

Nov 14, 2009 - 1:44 pm 21. Linda P:

Re: David Thompson @16:

I think “the straw that broke the camel’s back” will be the Khalid Sheikh Mohammed trial in NYC.

(p.s. – I enjoy your many comments)

Nov 14, 2009 - 2:14 pm 22. foobar:

In the old days, people came to Western cultures for a better life. They came here, not to change it, but to join it. Often they shared their home culture in the context of the philosophies we celebrate in the West. That is all good.

The difference today is that people are immigrating to the West, not to join it, but to make it in to the same place they left. They want the technical benefits of living in the West, but they don’t want to share the philosophical ones. And what will they reap from this effort? The same stupidity and ignorance that made their mother countries such hopelessly backward places in the first place.

I wonder why they bother.

Nov 14, 2009 - 2:40 pm 23. It’s fun to read old blog posts « Donna Darko:

[...] Canada to Immigrants: No Tolerance for “Honor” Killing The Canadian government has just revamped its citizenship guide for immigrants. The document is titled “The Rights and Responsibilities of Canadian Citizenship.” According to Canada’s National Post, [...]

Nov 14, 2009 - 2:53 pm 24. MiamaMan:

21. Linda P:

Yes, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a clear case of demonic possession.

I find highly offensive that this year he could pose, like a Hollywood star, for the red cross when the red cross visited Guantanamo. The picture was supposed to be for “family members”, and ended up in Wikipedia. Just look straight into the eyes of a vital-world demon right here, it is a rare opportunity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed

He should have been hung by the neck a long time ago.

Nov 14, 2009 - 2:56 pm 25. Jim Olson:

I am deeply grateful to see the reactionary right finally adopt liberal Ideology with respect to the brown,immigrant other.Oh for the day when they apply it to themselves.

Nov 14, 2009 - 3:09 pm 26. HellenoChristian:

20. Dear MiamaMan, I understood Hinduism the way you explained BUT I FIRST UNDERSTOOD ISLAM THE SAME WAY, therefore I am saying that those “Myths”, can be misunderstood. While for Karl Gustav Jung (which I liked very much, too), he better explains the meaning of Shadow in a very scientific way, which means, contextualized within the Science of Psychology [*]. I see a great difference and importance to differenciate between psychological approach and RELIGIOUS approach: while Psychology addresses the problem of mental sickness, explains metaphores, enlightens superstitions, …, Religion doesn’t do it (above all Islam), and – so to put it – turns people into bigots (Islam for instance rejects any Science, Psychology included, and belittles Phylosophy – ancient Greek’s one cerainly -, and considers Buddhism merely a Phylosophy. All of this disrespect for others increases Islamic supremacist – totally unjustified – feeling, and related consequences – like “if you don’t state that Islam is The Religion of Peace we threaten you; if you don’t confirm the shahadah and you don’t wellcome the essence of azhan, since they are the very symbol of The Religion of Peace, same” -).

[*] Psychology is nothing “new”: in so called the West, for instance, it is the very aim of so called ancient Greek Phylosophy, where so called Phylosophers clearly talked about “Psychè”. I would therefore call them Psychologists rather than Phylosophers. There is a difference in those concepts: while Phylosophy seems more merely “intellectual”, Psychology goes much “deeper”, right to the Heart, to the very Core of the Being.

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My opinion about Religion(s) was “practically” Spirituality: Islam taught – sic – me that so called Religion(s) can be very Spiritualityless; therefore I prefer to talk about (for instance) Indian-Hinduist Spirituality, rather than Religion(s), in order to differenciate Wisedom (Spirituality) from Unwisedom (The Religion of Peace).

When it comes to Psychology, or human Sensitivity, there is a spiritual one and a religious one: the spiritual/enlightened one usually heals, while the religious/unenlightened one often turns into violence toward patients and others (rapes, manipulation, murder, …) [there are cases of psychiatrists eventually acting more like Satanists rather than "healers of the Soul"].

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22. Foobar: I totally agree with you.

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25. Jim Olson, I think (I’m sure) you miss the point: there is Sensitivity (claimed to be represented by the Left) and Rationality (said to be represented by the Right), and the goal to be achieve in political/public matters BY EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN and human Being, is to use both. Nowadays Left (which you’re clearly and blindly follow, maybe you are even a faithful of “The Party”) misses – needed – Rationality, and it even lost Sensitivity (supporting immigrants and non-whites, just because they are immigrants or non-whites, is intelligenceless, which means, sensitivityless, too).

Nowadays Right (so to call it) on the other hand, adopted that part of Sensitivity lost by “The Left” (whose allegory is – unfortunately – perfectly expressed in Animal Farm by George Orwell). This doesn’t mean (This therefore doesn’t mean) that those who nowadays vote for “The Right” are sensitivityless: at the opposite. Same goes for those who are (still) nowadays voting for (nowadays) “The Left”: this (definitely!) doesn’t mean that they are really and deeply sensitive. At the opposite.

You ask why “don’t they apply it to themselves”: does this same question applies for “The Left”, which is aboundantly generous toward “Browns*” and “immigrants**”, but very less toward “Whites” and “locals”? Or are you another of those (now typical) militants of “The Left”, which like in any way to accuse others of “Racism*” and “Xenophobia**” (not to mention Islamophobia)? [All rhetorical questions, well understood ....]

Nov 14, 2009 - 7:52 pm 27. JFP:

Other than Laura’s suggestion that we end Islamic immigration altogether, I would want all Islamic immigrants to spend a month in sensitivity training. During that training they will be taught, for example, that their religion will be mocked in the West. They will be encouraged to go back home if they can’t handle that. And they will be told that they just can’t engage in honor killings and the like, that they will be put in jail for such activities. I’m rather confident that most will opt to go back home.

Honor killings are quite revealing, actually. The father is bothered because his daughter is becoming “Westernized.” Yet he himself has brought the family to the West. People like that should (when found) be deported, since they really don’t want to be here anyway.

Nov 14, 2009 - 9:12 pm 28. JFP:

Jim Olson: “I am deeply grateful to see the reactionary right finally adopt liberal Ideology with respect to the brown,immigrant other.Oh for the day when they apply it to themselves.”

I have no idea what you are talking about. Liberal ideology today demands that we be sensitive to the Other, but the “reactionary right” here is not adopting that but is instead demanding that those Others be sensitive to us and our laws and customs.

And as for your use of the word “brown,” in case you aren’t familiar with actual Muslims, they come in a variety of shades. There are lots of Muslims I’ve encountered who look white to me. Arabs, for example, often look no different from other people from the Mediterranean area. Other Muslims are brown, and still others are black. It’s strange that a liberal would be guilty of stereotyping.

Nov 14, 2009 - 9:24 pm 29. HellenoChristian:

17. Gianni: I already wanted to answer you, but I think the following article shows perfectly why Namazie’s way isn’t a fair way. [I note: not everyone is criticizable, ISLAMIC IMMIGRATION and mentality is! It is a whole and deeply rooted global problem: Mormors' poligamy will be maybe eventually accepted JUST TO ALLOW ISLAMIC (OR ISLAMIST, IF YOU LIKE IT MORE) PEOPLE TO PRACTICE THEIR "THE RELIGION OF PEACE" (and this is nothing compared to the Plight of paedophilia, which waits us as "next step" toward Islamification of Consciences - helped by the Petrodollarification of someone's wallets, well understood -). ISLAMIC IMMIGRANTS - moderate, radicals, whatever - already benefited of a civilized Society by immigrating in the West. They are destroying Civilization and its Values: they are destroying it, not "everyone". Mormons would most probably not threaten us to blow themselves up if we - in our civilized world - don't allow them to break the Law by letting them practicing poligamy. Islamic - or Islamist - people will, adding that "we offended their untouchable Shari'a Law". OTHERS DON'T DO THAT. ISLAMIC - ISLAMIST - PEOPLE DO: THEM AND JUST THEM. J U S T T H E M].

The illustrative article here:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina40622.htm

[and Namazie with her comradist One Law For All - partially appreciate though -, shows to believe in that absurdity called "Islamophobia", and therefore to think not differently at all (!) than the "Islamo/Arabophobia"'s claimer. Very true/real, even if at emotional level it is hard to be accepted (usually emotional people don't like Truth/Reality too much. They prefer Dreams and Utopias. Unreality.)].

Nov 14, 2009 - 11:17 pm 30. MiamaMan:

Facts:

1) The Bush administration totally prohibited taking pictures of detainees in Guantanamo, specifically the important ones, for obvious reasons.
2) Under Obama, pictures has been allowed, and as a tool of propaganda, now roam the Internet.
3) Detainees in Guantanamo has free medical care, air conditioning, a Koran, are advised when to pay, and there is an arrow showing direction to Mecca. The food is good, there is also TV and DVD for some.
3) Trying the terrorists in New York, a huge mistake. This is exactly what they are waiting for, for a forum like the one Hitler had in Munich. Without the Munich trial, which made Hitler an instant celebrity, it is doubtful he would have ever gained power.
4) Obama = back to the Clinton approach of confronting Islamic terror like another “crime”. Next time, a nuclear bomb. Is that what it will take?

Are we nuts? No wonder people don’t respect the US as before. Please call, email your lawmakers about this insane policy.

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:14 am 31. Pajamas Media » Canada to Immigrants: No Tolerance for ‘Honor’ Killing:

[...] Read the entire piece here. [...]

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:42 am 32. glenn:

Yeah, sure.

Nov 15, 2009 - 9:37 am 33. NahnCee:

Since the death penalty is an accepted sentence in the case of a convicted murderer (at least in the United States), I wonder if an implemented program of castration rather than death would have any impact on these misogynists. Of course, liberals would bleat about “cruel and unusal punishment”, but isn’t a premeditated killing on the basis of “honor” an “unusual” crime which deserves an unusual punishment?

And I agree that the mothers who stand by and watch (or who actively serve to lure their daughters back into the web) should most definitely be deported. They have proven themselves to be totally dishonorable human beings and do not deserve to live in a civilized society.

Nov 15, 2009 - 10:56 am 34. HalifaxCB:

11. Alan:
Palin in the White House
Harper in 24 Sussex
Soros in Rikers
KSM in hell.

Some hoped for changes for the next few years….

13. westerncanadian
The guide also has some positive things to say about serving in the military, police, Coast Guard, etc. It may sound fairly innocuous to those outside the country, but after the last forty years it’s positively revolutionary….

Nov 15, 2009 - 11:26 am 35. seanmahair:

So, Canada had to reiterate this. The fact that Canadian citizens for centuries have had to live by laws prohibiting violence against anyone (man, woman, child) no matter the reason, familial relationship or ethnic values was not enough.

We should applaud this why? Obey the laws of the country you live in or GO BACK TO THE CESS POOL YOU CAME FROM, and take your 8 th century ideals with you. Civilized people refuse to live like this anymore. Either learn to obey the rules or crawl back under your rock.

And yes this really makes me furious. Sorry.

Nov 15, 2009 - 12:16 pm 36. muslimpoxbyebye:

FIRST THINGS FIRST …. THE KORAN IS NOT A HOLY BOOK….IT IS THE MOST EVIL AND RACIST AND SEXIST BOOK EVER WRITTEN. IT IS A SLUR TO THE WRITTEN WORD. IT IS AN INSULT TO HUMAN INTELLIGENCE. HAVE NO DOUBT. READ IT TO DISBELIEVE IT . ALL MUSLIMS SHOULD BE TRYING TO GET OUT OF ISLAM’S CLUTCHES . ALL MUSLIMS SHOULD BE TRYING TO GET OUT OF ISLAM’S CLUTCHES NOT ONLY FOR THEIR SAKE AND THEIR CHILDREN’S SAKE BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR FOREFATHERS AND FOREMOTHERS WHO WERE CONVERTED TO THIS EVIL AND VILE CULT BY THE SWORD AND FRIGHT. FORGET CHRISTIANITY IF IT’S SUCH A BIG ISSUE …MUSLIMS NEED TO MOVE OUT EN MASSE TO SOMETHING LIKE BUDDHISM.

MUSLIMS SHOULD START REALISING THAT THEIR FOREFATHERS WERE FORCED INTO THIS BLOOD THIRSTY CULT BY BLOOD AND SWORD.THEY BECAME MUSLIMS OUT OF FEAR NOT BECAUSE THEY LOVED ISLAM. THE NEW GENERATION SHOULD SET THEIR FOREFATHERS’ MISTAKES RIGHT BY GETTING OUT OF ISLAM EN MASSE (IN BIG GROUPS) AND RETURNING TO THEIR OLD PEACEFULL RELIGIONS OF THEIR GREAT GREAT GRAND PARENTS BEFORE THE MUSLIMS CAME AND TURNED THEIR LIVES AND MORALS UPSIDE DOWN. WHATEVER IS PREACHED IN THAT CULT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT GOOD PEOPLE AND CITIZENS SHOULD BE. START THE CHANGE NOW. ONLY THE MUSLIMS CAN HELP THEMSELVES SMASH THIS EVIL CULT THAT HAS GOT THEM AND THEIR WOMEN AND CHILDREN BY THE THROATS.

THE WEST SHOULD BE HELPING MUSLIMS WITH A FREE SERVICE OR A NOMINAL CHARGED SERVICE WHICH COULD TRACE EACH OF THEIR ANCESTRAL ROOTS OR RELIGION PRACTICED BEFORE THEY HAD TO BOW TO ALLAH OR DIE HORRIBLY. THEN THE CHOICE WOULD BE THEIRS TO CONTINUE IN THIS EVIL CULT OR OPT OUT TO WHAT WAS THEIR LIFESTYLE OR RELIGION BEFORE THE MADNESS CAME. THE SERVICE COULD BE CALLED “BEFORE THE MADNESS”. THE EDUCATED WEST HAS TO HELP THESE BARBARIC PEOPLE SEE THE LIGHT OF PEACE AND LAUGHTER SO THEIR CHILDREN AND WOMEN MAY APPRECIATE THE SUNLIGHT WHICH IS OUR PLANET’S BIRTHRIGHT.

It is important that the justice system takes on disgusting islam by its dirty filthy evil horns.

Nov 15, 2009 - 1:05 pm 37. Louise:

@ Lou Santacrose, we have plenty of uninhabited islands in Canada, should you want to use them. They are highly suitable for the purpose: Covered with snow and ice 12 months of the year, have no or very little sunlight for six months every winter, and are thousands of miles from civilization. There’s even an armed forces base nearby to keep an eye on them. And polar bears for company!

Nov 15, 2009 - 2:18 pm 38. Lisa:

You would think the violent death of a relative would be enough incentive for people to act against honor killings.

I guess they really are different.

Nov 15, 2009 - 2:52 pm 39. wondering:

Good for Canada.

It is nice to at least see a start to dealing with the problem of aggressive Islam.
The only problem I see? Muslims will say yes for now, and then as their numbers grow, revert right back to the teachings of Islam.
This is what they have done in every single country they have occupied.
It is part of their belief, lying is Islam.

Nov 15, 2009 - 3:14 pm 40. FLOX:

Use of the phrase “Honor killing” itself is a spit in the face of Western sensibilities. While it may be used to describe what Muslims call it in their own country, here it already has a name that should not be replaced: Murder.

Nov 15, 2009 - 3:26 pm 41. Steveb/Colorado:

In general, I find myself in agreement with Ms. Chesler, possibly a first. She has illuminated a serious problem.

#11 Alan: “I sure wish we had Harper in the White House instead of that Muslim….” Be careful what you wish for. Harper has done one good thing as outlined by Ms. Chesler. However, Harper and his supposed conservative government put the royal screws to Canadian investors & retirees, and American investors, in October, 2006 by changing tax law on income royalty trusts. Taking effect on January 1, 2011, it represents one of the biggest tax increases ever in Canada.

#36 muslimpoxbyebye: “the Koran is not a holy book…it is the most evial and racist and sexist book ever written….” Well, it was written in the 7th century, for whatever that’s worth. But doesn’t the Bible (Old Testament) also condone rape, slavery, murder, genocide, etc., depending on what you’re reading?

I’m not disagreeing with you, altho I have not read the Koran. My point is that any holy book written in such primitive times will reflect the attitudes & mores of those times.

Nov 15, 2009 - 3:29 pm 42. Morton Doodslag:

I am of the firm opinion that Islamic “problems” such as the following (incomplete) list:

Jihad terrorism
hatred towards others
contempt for our laws
FGM
“honor” killings
intent to swamp and subvert the West

are ALL intractible problems endemic to Islam and Muslim societies. Facts bear me out on this subject, as these barbarities and many others are de facto traits of virtually every Islamic nation on earth.

My questions to Phyllis (and every other bleeding heart in the West who thinks taking on the project of fixing loathsome Islam) are these:

How do the infinite and impossible burdens of fixing the unfixable wreckage of Islam properly belong on OUR “infidel” shoulders?
What added value do Muslims bring to our once well-functioning society to counter the ever more staggering (increasingly suicidal) costs of their existence in the West?
What metric do you propose be used to measure all the moderating influence Western civilisation has had on Muslims and Islam over their short presence here?
Islam is getting MORE ASSERTIVE and MORE DANGEROUS in the and against the West – So why are you proposing bandaids and delicate non-measures while Muslims (on our soil) plot in their thousands, in their tens or hundreds of thousands, perhaps ( probably in their millions when Europe is factored in) to destroy our civilization?

I’m quite certain you would have found many a kindly Nazi who didn’t take Hitler all that seriously in WWII… I’m quite certain you would have found afew battered Nazi wives and daughters to fawn and bloviate over. Phyllis — would you also in 1933 have suggested reforming Nazism too? Islam actually poses a much graver threat to everything we hold dear. Are you really comfortable with yor approach? Enough to risk our nation, our very civilization on your impossible delusion of reforming a1400 year old genocidal monster?

Nov 15, 2009 - 4:03 pm 43. Laurent:

In the US we don’t ban styles of dress; we allow anyone to make as much a fool of themselves as they want. In official photos, the face must be shown, and schoolchildren may be required to wear a school uniform. But any violation of criminal laws is prosecuted by the county District Attorney. If the county DA is a politically correct incompetant, then woe to any “honor” crime victim. The solution is to get rid of any such DA at the next election, or sue him for nonfeasance.

Nov 15, 2009 - 7:28 pm 44. HellenoChristian:

41. Steveb/Colorado: “it has been written at that time” … Do you realize that Koran was written on VII century? What about Old Testament? Do you know there also is a New Testament? Written far after the Old one, but far before Koran. Now: Muhammad was totally aware of Old and New Testament; he also had the honor to know about other Cultures and Religions, Indian and Chinese. He was a merchant (business man) and a traveler.

Now I ask you: possible that after all that, the only thing he could produce is a Koran filled with hatered toward others, so mentally restricted, so filled with inconsistencies (for instance: Allah is the most compassionate – but he encourages violence against others; a “forcibly believer” mind will eventually go “tilt”. And this is actually what happens with/to Islamic – or Islamist, at your choice – people), and the only thing he could force on others hasn’t been “more open mindness” but rather “mental closeness”, where the only option was (and still be) submitting to his Koran and himself (his example – read ahadith and sirah -), otherwise you had been (brutally) killed.

Don’t forget that this book and this person is said to be a neverending example: it has institutionalized rapes and murder, looting and oppression, … totally against – for instance – the Revolution occurred around 600 years before, in the Middle East (read New Testament).

Tell me how is that contextualizable at “his time”, together with other holy stories (which are far ancienter and really written in another social context! I mean: during 600 years and more there are so many thing happening and so many steps forward to be done! But Muhammad is an example of Regression, of Involution. And not just a practical level: at psychological/psychiatrical level, too).

NOT TO FORGET KHADIJA WAS A MANAGER, AND A RICH WOMAN, WHILE MUHAMMAD WAS HER EMPLOYEE.

Suddenly, after her death, and maybe after paedophile marriage with Aysha, on Koran appears a verse stating that women’s value is a half of that of men?

Dear, the more I contextualize – as you say -, the more I understand Muhammad was the most dishonest person of his time … or ever! [The Culture he stepped from forbad marriage - sexual relations - between men and stepdaughters: Muhammad, fallen in love with his adopted son's wife, changed this rule. He wanted to make sex with his stepdaughter, and ... how casually ... Allah sent him a koranic verse allowing him to divorce the female from her husband, and marry her to himself. Let's have sex! Despite Muhammad already had a wife - and other wives -!].

Let’s contextualize Islam: the more we analyze it, under every point of view, the more it looks for what it is – PURE SICKNESS!

OFF TOPIC at MiamaMan: we talked about honor killings within Hinduism; I think killings there are related to Dowary, which women have to pay to men. Woman – as usual … – is seen as a problem by her family: she is a cost, a high cost! Therefore she – as usual – becomes the object of violent thoughts and feelings – at first -, and eventually of violent actions. [I think the main issue here is "women's consideration and condition", and "women's self-esteem" ....]

Nov 15, 2009 - 11:27 pm 45. muslimpoxbyebye:

bravo canada bravo….

PLEASE EXCUSE THE CAPS LOCK….THANK YOU …
WHEN I WRITE THIS I’M SPEAKING FOR THE REST OF THE PLANET THAT IS NOT MUSLIM AND NEVER WILL BE . WE READ WITH REAL SADNESS IN OUR HEARTS EVERYDAY ABOUT MUSLIMS KILLING MUSLIMS IN SMALL NUMBERS. WE ARE WAITING FOR THE DAY WHEN THEY START HITTING THE MILLION FIGURE ON A REGULAR DAILY BASIS. WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP THEM REACH THOSE DAILY TARGETS? SHALL WE GIVE THEM MORE AMMO OR MORE MONEY ?…SHALL WE PRINT MORE KORANS AND KHOMEINI’S GREEN BOOK IN ARABIC AND IN ENGLISH AND WHATEVER LANGUAGE THEY PREFER JUST SO THAT THEY KILL EACH OTHER MORE AND MORE …WHEN WILL THESE DAYDREAMS OF THE REST OF THE PLANET THAT WANTS TO LIVE IN PEACE ON A MUSLIM FREE PLANET COME TO BE REAL? WHEN WILL WE READ THE GOOD NEWS THAT MUSLIMS HAVE WIPED OUT THEMSELVES IN THEIR SWEET BLOODLUST AND ALL THE ARABS ARE GONE TOO … WHEN WILL IRAN BOMB THE REST OF THE MIDDLE EAST SO THAT IT CAN BASK IN THE AFTERGLOW OF THE 12TH MORON THAT THEY’RE ALL WAITING FOR ?
OH TO HEAR THE ELUSIVE GOOD NEWS ON A DAILY BASIS .

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Nov 16, 2009 - 7:48 am 48. Paul -Indiana:

There seems to be a real parallel between Muhammed and Obama. Muhammed was illiterate and the Koran was what someone else wrote for him. Obama has someone else write his speeches and he just reads them on his teleprompter. In both cases what we hear has been planted by someone else.

Nov 16, 2009 - 9:48 am 49. Janis:

I’ve got an idea. Distribute Louisville Sluggers or firearms to all immigrant women and girls. Problem solved.

Hell, pass them out to all women and girls, period. Although we’ll probably end up using them on one another if I’m any guess.

Nov 16, 2009 - 10:15 am 50. mot:

A Winston Churchill quote;

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

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