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1. John Peter Maher:

It’$ clear why Bill Clinton (protector of women) goe$ to Mu$lim Bosnia and Kosovo. But why did Phyllis Chesler and the feminist mob take the side of the Saudis in the Bosnian war against the Serbs? Arabia has built 1000 mosques there. Polygamy is back. The there’s Kosovo, where 200 Christian churches have been destroyed by Muslim Albanians and Serbs, Gypsies and Jews have fled — to Serbia…

Nov 24, 2009 - 1:55 pm 2. David W. Lincoln:

In all honesty, given all that the House of Saud
has gotten away with, by now there would be an Arabian government in exile. For it would irritate the House of Saud to the same extent the Polish government in exile, during the Second World War, irritated Stalin.

Plus, there is the matter of those who are anatomically female going along in the oppression of females, rather than taking on their true oppressors – they have to be held accountable for their actions. In other words, Fatima must not get away with her treatment of Mimi and Karin.

Nov 24, 2009 - 2:29 pm 3. Alice M:

Interesting that David Lincoln should mention Poland’s exile government in WWII. As I read about Karin and Mimi, I was remembering Nazi atrocities described in Jan Karski’s book Story of a Secret State. (It was brutal enough that just about any description of an atrocity reminds me of it.)

In turn mentioning it reminded me that the Muslim leaders of 1940s Jerusalem traveled to see Hitler and asked him how they could help.

As for why the US is still allies with Saudi Arabia, I guess it’s because there are enough official enemies without confronting the unofficial ones, especially those who sell us oil and buy our bonds. It’s ridiculous and sickening.

But I appreciate the reminder: I’ll write my congressman and ask just that question. Keeping up the pressure could help, I suppose.

Nov 24, 2009 - 4:20 pm 4. Laura:

In response to the question as to why we are still allied with saudi arabia, the answer lies with the powerful, extremely wealthy and insidious influence of the saudi lobby in Washington. Former American government officials receive huge sums of cash to lobby on behalf of saudi interests. And while these paid saudi lobbyists act against the interests of America, they simultaneously try to deflect attention from their own nefarious activities by falsely convincing Americans that our government is actually under the thumb of the vast Jewish and Israel lobby and that Israel is to blame for all of our troubles when in fact it is saudi arabia that is responsible for terrorism directed against the US.

Nov 24, 2009 - 4:48 pm 5. Max Friedman:

Two observations:

1. Saudi Arabia is in a very strategic position and dominates the Arabian Sea/Red Sea and nearby countries, even if only as a staging area for forays into them.

2. They have the oil. Israel really doesn’t.

Forget the fact that Saudi Arabia is a 14th Century country run by 20th Century men who think like 14th Century men.

I have known several Saudis who were very nice, decent people. That would explain why they live in the U.S.

Nov 24, 2009 - 6:22 pm 6. Judy, NYC:

it’s a very difficult competition with the arabs as to which is the more vile, ignorant and or despicable. not surprising the saudis win. this shmuck bows and the shmuck before him kisses and holds hands with them. these monsters,if they weren’t sh*tting oil, would be traipsing around the desert looking for water and a tree. besides oil, nothing of significance comes from any of these backward hellholes.
anything about them, or their women or their nauseating culture is way too much information.

Nov 24, 2009 - 7:18 pm 7. George Jochnowitz:

Unfortunately, every single President has been friendly to Saudi Arabia. Obama bowed, and the Bushes invited Saudi monarchs to the family ranch in Texas. I guess this is part of a tradition of allying oneself with whoever is around against an unambiguous enemy. During World War II, the US joined with Stalin. After the hot war was over, we were free to fight the Cold War. If ever the Iranian theocracy, al-Qaeda, and the Taliban are defeated, we will free to oppose Saudi Arabia.

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Nov 24, 2009 - 10:51 pm 10. Marion L:

America has been allied with misogynist Saudi Arabia for far too long. This column could just have easily been written about the administrations of Bush I and Bush II.

Nov 24, 2009 - 11:27 pm 11. HellenoChristian:

NOTES WHILE READING:

. at first and superficial sight (maybe the one applied by USA toward SAK?), the Misery of a woman really looks less miserable if she is rich. In other words: better to be a rich woman battered and abused, than a poor one in the same conditions. Wealth and Richness sugar-coat any kind of Unfairness, Injustice, Horror (exactly as the word “Holiness” does with any kind of Evil);

. Sami Alrabaa is a very appreciable writer and denouncer, a part of the fact that he often (contradicts himself by) making the apology of Islam (he praised its – allegedly – “Golden Age”, he said in Germany – yes, the Land the abused woman in the article comes from – there actually is no problem with Islamic people, and that problems are made up by “Extreme-right wingers”), therefore I hope that in this book he focuses on women’s condition only, without hiding (sorry for daring!) there some kind of Apology of (past/present) Islam (of its “Culture” and its Menality);

. Western women are the most targeted in Islamic world, right because (if you have withe skin – yes, very racist! – and/or you comes “from the West” – yes, very hateful! -) “you must be” a bitch/whore/slut, and therefore they (Islamic – either black/brown/white/whatever skinned – men “have the Right” to sexually abuse of you – Non-islamic Sex slaves alike -. Ethnic rapes in the West – by Islamic Immigrants toward local Western Non-islamic women – are clearly justified – by the raper – by the fact that “oh, she would anyway be fucked by someone. Me or another, where is the problem? She is “a Western Non-islamic slut without Morality” anyway. To her it doesn’t matter who/when/where fucks her. She just like fucking and – here comes the News! – “she likes to be fucked by Islamic – black/brown/white – men”. To those women nothing else matter but fucking, without Feelings and Morality, in perfect “Western Non-islamic style”".

[*] This is said according to the tale about Muhammad and Followers “Viagra” alike empowered;

. Often rich and indoctinated women (people) are eviler than less rich and more free minded ones. Islam anyway refuses to point out the importance of using the Heart (which is especially pointed out in Christianity, and Islam actively wants to differenciate itself from it), and the result is their Followers (males and females) be especially gruesome, sadist, cruel, Pityless, Compassionless, Loveless (Islamic “basmalah” is a bounch of meaningless words, since Koran, Ahadith and Sirah eventually contradict them. “Compassion” in Islam has the opposite meaning than “Compassion” has in every other Culture/Civilization/Religion – clever who does understand why! -).

I am still bashed by knowing about Islamic women’s (Fatima) Gruesomeness, but at the same time I am not surprised at all by knowing about it: that’s Islam I mean! Muhammad behaved so gruesomely as that! And he told that (Islamic) women fill the Hell (- Islamic – women are so evil as to finish there)! He explained how envious women are (he just forgot to analyze/mention the context – male’s behaviour – which turns a woman envious, but “we have to understand him. He was a man of his Times ….”)!

Islam is gruesome. I’m surprised everytime an Islamic person does something out of Compassion and Love (usually he/she leaves Islam – but this is just a detail -), while I am (still) bashed but quite resigned everytime an Islamic person does something out of Cruelty and Hate [sugar-covers like veils, prayers, standard "religious" formulas or else don't positively impress me anymore. At the opposite I reward them as alarm bell for past or coming acts of Gruesomeness; they actually hide that - unconscious and unhealed - Insanity called Sado-masochism].

. I am very sorry for the Victims of Islam and of Islamic people – deeply sorry and I feel my Heart bleeding for that -. This makes me think something: why should we go on trying and save Islamic women from the Oppression they experience? They are monster themselves, why not let them being suppressed by their “males”? Shouldn’t we rather focus on the other 80% of the World, the “Kafir”, and save them from the vicious spiral of Islam and Islamic people? Should we?

EVENTUALLY

The Problem there (USA – SAK) is Money/Wealth/Petrol and paid Propagandas [both pro Islam and anti Alqaida (which make so, that things remain exactely the way they were)]. How to fix it? Doesn’t the Kafir world have Money/Wealth/Fuel? Can’t it pay Counterpropaganda [which means: Seminaries and else which teach the historical and present Truth about Islam and Islamic people (who act out of "Faithfulness")?]

Nov 24, 2009 - 11:30 pm 12. southwood:

The West needs to ditch Saudi Arabia, the most evil country on earth. We need alternative oil resources. At the very least we must protest against this fascist regime that rules that country.

Nov 25, 2009 - 12:52 am 13. Dr McCosker:

When I read things like this, I understand why the Biblical concept of fire from heaven exists.

It comforts me just a little to believe – as a Christian – that one day all these monstrous imitators of Ubul Kassim ‘Mohammed’, alias Ha-Meshugga ‘the Mad One’, who like their ‘prophet’ and his hateful god delight in cruelty and in the humiliation and torment and murder of the helpless (such as the innocent maid, Mimi) will have to face the Judge of heaven and earth…and He will not be their monstrous god of blood and war, ‘allah’, the war-demon of the arabs who commands and delights in their cruelty, but, rather, the one whom Johnny Cash in a great song called ‘the man in white’; indeed He may well choose to appear to these life-hating woman-hating Jew-hating (the three things are connected) monsters, in the form of…a Jewish rabbi. There will be nowhere for them to hide. And all the lies they have told to themselves and to others about what they do, and all their malevolent narcissistic boasting and strutting and sneering, will be laid bare; they will face the avalanching fire of the divine Glory, in the full publicity of every human creature who has ever lived, and all their victims will testify against them. The plain hideous truth of what they did and what they said and what they pervertedly desired will be revealed in all its ugliness in the presence of the pure, searing Holiness of the Holy One, in a place where no lie can be told and where no lie is accepted or believed.

*That* will be their punishment. I doubt they will be able to endure or survive it.

And in the meantime, let their evil be made public, and confronted, head on, right here on earth, by an army of fearless truth-tellers.

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Nov 25, 2009 - 3:23 am 15. Pragmatist:

Mohammedans have Oil by an accident of geography but even though they were living on top of it they did not know it was there it required Brits and Americans to find it to drill for it to refine it and to export it. Whats more no Mohammedan or Arab ever invented anything apart from maybe Aladdin’s Lamp that you could use Oil for no it was all done by those wicked kaffirs. So to talk about Arab Oil is really a huge JOKE.

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:10 am 16. Libertyship46:

The Saudis are scum, they always have been scum, and they always will be scum. In a normal world, Americans would not have anything to do with a country like this. We condemn the way women are treated in Afghanistan, yet we don’t say a word about what is going on in Saudi Arabia. What makes this even worse is that a women, Hilary Clinton, is the Secretary of State and supposedly is also a feminist. What a joke. But we all know what’s going on here. The United States needs oil and we’re not allowed to drill for it here in the United States (especially in Alaska) or off our coasts. Had we done this twenty years ago and also developed more nuclear-powered electrical plants, we wouldn’t need Saudi Arabia. But no, liberal environmentalists and Democrats always stop this from happening and Republicans are just as bad because they’d rather buy the oil than invest the money to develop it here in the United States. So on it goes, we keep being forced to deal with a nation that not only hates us and treats women worse than cattle, but it also is one of the biggest supporters of Islamic terrorism in the world (don’t forget, most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis). So the next time a woman is stoned in Saudi Arabia for not having a male escort while driving, or a Saudi-funded terrorist kills some Americans, go hug a liberal Democrat environmentalist or a Republican oil company supporter and let them know more people died because of their stupidity, ignorance, and willful negligence in not developing our own energy resources right here at home. And what about all of that “energy independence” talk during the elections by both parties? Remember “Drill Baby Drill?” Oh, sorry, that team lost. Remember “We will develop Green technology?” Oh yes, that side won, and I’m still waiting for my windmill to supply us with all the energy we need (not to mention those awesome solar panels that were supposed to revolutionize the way we heat our homes). Green technology has been around for roughly 30 years and there’s a reason why people do NOT use it: IT DOESN’T WORK!!!! Or, more accurately, it could work but it would be much more expensive than just using oil or natural gas or nuclear energy (even T. Boone Pickens learned this lesson reacently). So you won’t get any pity from me for the women or the people in Saudi Arabia, because they use our own greed and stupidity to keep that country in business. They are scum, always have been scum, and always will be scum. Too bad this country is married to them.

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Nov 25, 2009 - 5:39 am 18. John "birther" Samford:

Two reasons;
First is the KSA lobby which is MUCH more powerful then the Israeli lobby. It just has a lower profile, existing mostly at State. Second is the Environmentalists (swampies).
The fact of the matter is the USA has larger OIL reserves then KSA. Thousands of times as much. That OIL is in the form of Shale and tar sands. It can be converted to liquid OIL. As a matter of fact, that is where most of the USA’s imported OIL comes from.
Canada is the #1 exporter of OIL to the USA and it is almost entirely OIL processed from tar sands.

Nov 25, 2009 - 5:44 am 19. pelaut:

#1 John Peter Maher: “But why did Phyllis Chesler and the feminist mob take the side of the Saudis in the Bosnian war against the Serbs?”

Exactly! Boo-hoo-hoo for Western women caught up in the romance of 7th Century desert icons. Don’t feel for them. Remember them in college? They’re the starry-eyed leftists who called you a ‘troglodyte’ fascist and racist for telling them who their boyfriends really were.

Phyllis lived long enough to learn. Those that don’t? Let ‘em die.

Nov 25, 2009 - 6:04 am 20. wayne:

The United States is sitting on the largest reserves of oil in the known world. A MINIMUM of 500 BILLION barrels is beneath Western lands in Montana, Wyoming, Colorado and the Dakota’s. This doesn’t include current production, the oil beneath ANWAR, or all of the other areas around this country that we can neither explore or use because stupid green moron’s have bought into the greatest fraud that has ever occurred in human history – anthropomorphic global climate change.

The proof of this fraud is in the CLIMATE-gate scandal – revealing by the thousands of emails, documents, and statistics that the organizations and leading “scientists” that have used as the basis for all of this garbage. They have lied, cheated, suppressed and destroyed evidence, threatened people, and destroyed lives and economies in order to promote their vision of utopia at all of our expenses and to the profit of the worst scum of the earth.

We don’t need the stinking Saudi’s. We don’t need Huge-ego Chavez. We don’t need Armageddon-eye-jab in Iran. We can be utterly self-sufficient from now until the foreseeable future and keep ALL THAT MONEY here in America – instead of giving it to a bunch of filthy, murderous, misogynous, barbarians who salivate at the opportunity to butcher us with weapons that we paid for.

You want to save women the torture murder and abysmal lives that they are suffering under the foul sandals of these pigs? Throw Al Gore and the rest of the utopianist, lying, thieving, con artists, and traitors on the funeral pyres of history for their crimes – may God Damn them all to Hell for all eternity.

Amen

Nov 25, 2009 - 6:10 am 21. blotto:

Wait where are the moderates and progressive (paid) trolls extolling the virtues of Islam?

Don’t they tell us ad nauseam that only a handful of muslims are bad, and that Islam has nothing to do with the topic at hand or terrorism. Don’t they tell us that our culture is no better than any muslim culture both as a vis a vis moral relativism and mutlticulturalism?

Don’t the moderates and progressives tell us that they and only they care about women-all women? That these conferences which Hillary attends is all about women and equal rights? That the UN protects all women.

And don’t moderates and progressives tell us that our culture is in many way worse than muslim culture? Some may even point out that it is our influence on middle eastern women that has caused them their troubles.

Yep, they would gleefully say, it is never Islam.

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Nov 25, 2009 - 7:42 am 23. Steve:

Why does the US need Saudi Arabia, you ask? I’ve come to the conclusion that nations and their leaders and governments, for whatever reason, must deal with the devil in one way or another, at some time or another. International politics is a whole lot more complicated than it is at the neighbor-across-the-fence level of politics. Or to put it in another way, world leaders are playing the game of Risk (a board game), except in this case we the people are the pawns and the board is Earth itself. Simple enough? After all, when a “nation” declares war on another “nation”, who goes to fight that war? It sure ain’t the politicians in their expensive suits and white shirts, is it?

Nov 25, 2009 - 7:44 am 24. Marie:

Saudi Arabia simply follows the tradition begun my Islam’s founder, as seen here: “The Place of WOMEN In Islam” by Salman Hassan Jabbaar (1994 )
A Muslim may marry 4 wives. However, if he is afraid of not treating them equally then marry one only. The Koran reads: If you fear that you will not act justly towards the orphans, marry such woman’ as seem good to you, two, three, four; but if you fear you will not be equitable, then only one, or what your right hands own; so it is likelier you will not be partial. (Women vs.2) First of all, it should be recognized that Muhammad had nine wives whom he married after the death of his first, Christian-born wife, Khadija. The Prophet had a special way of classifying his wives: Intimate and Remote . At the head of the list of Intimates was Aiysha, then the others with various classifications. Muhammad did not bind himself with the rules he laid down for others (because he forced those who had many wives to divorce some) although he is considered the highest example to every Muslim. What we see is that physical instinct or the desire for male offspring or some other factor had a large part to play in the Prophet’s marital conduct. He does not feel bound to marry according to the Koranic laws. But he doesn’t stop here; he goes well beyond these limits when he attributes to God the permission to marry any other woman he fancied. She would in effect become a slave to him for purposes of sexual gratification, as explained in the Koran:
Oh Prophet, We have made lawful for thee thy wives whom thou hast given their wages and what thy right hand owns, spoils of war that God has given thee, and the daughter of thy uncles paternal and aunts paternal, thy uncles maternal and aunts maternal, who have emigrated with thee, and any woman believer, if she give herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desire to take her in marriage, for thee exclusively, apart from the believers — (The Confederates vs.49 ff.)
So we see Muhammad allowing himself any wives, exclusively even if they were bound by law to another man. And this is actually what happened with Zainab. The principle at issue is fairness among the wives. But one sees the Koran legislating a special provision for Muhammad without regard whatever for the opinion of the woman. She is to be led as a lamb to the slaughter at the whims of the chieftain. If he fancies a woman he acquires her with appropriate authority! He then obtains whatever enjoyment he desires after which he decides whether to bring her into his inner circle or desert her without fear of injustice in the matter… In the same sura, verse 50 he says: Thou mayest put off whom thou wilt of them, and whom thou wilt thou mayest take to thee; and if thou seekest any thou hast set aside there is no fault in thee. etc.
It is said of Ibn Saad through Munir bin Abdallah Ad Daa’ouli: “that the mother of Shareek Ad Dousieh offered herself to the Prophet and she was beautiful. He accepted her. Aiysha’s reaction was: “God indeed speedily grants your passions”, referring to the above-mentioned text. Aiysha hit the nail on the head! And so, returning to verse 2 of sura Women we see that there is no place for justice or harmony in the polygamous marriage.
Women in Paradise
In the book “Kitab ul Isra’a wal Mu’raj” the author, Ibn Serene quotes Muhammad as describing the trip he took one night from Jerusalem to the Seven Heavens. Among other things he reports about the paradises prepared for Muslims that each of them contained a variety of fruits. Also there were rivers of honey, milk and wine. He saw palaces and when he entered them he saw that in each seventy couches on which lay virgins, prepared for their bridegrooms…
When this reached the ears of his disciples there were many questions asked. Among them, whether sexual intercourse was permitted in heaven. When one of his followers posed the question: “Oh Messenger of God, do we have sexual intercourse in paradise?” He replied in extravagant words, indicating the intensity and total preoccupation with sexual expression… “There is no bachelor in paradise”. When another asked him how one man could have the strength to mount seventy girls in one day he responded: “He would be given the strength of one hundred men”!
This is also the case if we study the Koran, we find the subject repeated here and there. It would seem God not only rewards believers with perpetual paradise but gives them all that their worldly hearts desire of wine, milk, honey, fruits and women without number. And what really bewilders me is that whenever I read such texts, it seems that only the men enjoy all these privileges. There is not even one verse in all of the Koran which gives the woman her right, for instance to swim in that river of wine in paradise or eat of the fruits. Why then is womankind judged to be lacking in brains and piety in this world and apparently remain so in the next??
It appears that the trip to heaven culminated in the marriage of Muhammad to the chiefest woman in the Bible, namely the mother of Jesus Christ, The Blessed Virgin Mary! Consider how much this story hurts the feelings of millions in the Christian world who regard this Mary with such reverence and love… In any case, the woman in Islam, whether in heaven or earth will never get beyond her deficient, powerless status. She is a mere plaything at the mercy of her husband’s whims. A saying is attributed to the Muhammad: “Women are playthings, so take your pick” (attr. to Al Hakem). It is also said of Omar that he once reprimanded his wife in front of his guest with the words: “You are only a toy; if you’re needed we will call for you.” Thus we see from all the foregoing that the woman in Islam is regarded as an appendage, there to serve a need; she is for cooking, cleaning, rearing the children and for the bed. This is all that is expected of her. Beyond that, if she steps over the limits she should be beaten, deserted, imprisoned and, maybe stoned.
Hundreds of millions of Muslim girls are forced to have “circumcision,” a horrible practice that often kills or permanently injures them if unsanitary utensils (such as dirty knives) are used. My brother who worked as a medical missionary in Ethiopia & Cameroon for 23 years & his son worked in Somalia wrote:
“100% of Somali women have “ritual female genital surgery” as the Obstetricians call it. It is a rite of passage and their identification, so they say. Actually it is supposed to prevent promiscuity (immoral sexual behavior) by excising (removing) the clitoris, so the original proponents thought. But it does no such thing, since the practitioners do not know anatomy. So they say it proves virginity, since the vestibule (urinary canal & birth canal) have been so severely narrowed by scars.”

Nov 25, 2009 - 7:45 am 25. grace:

Fatima is merely a reflection in the mirror of her culture.
How can there be any respect in a “religion”, a way of life, created by some one like the warped Muhammad?
These people are to be feared.
I don’t think they like themselves. they cannot be happy when “hurt others” is at the center of their life.

Fatima could have controlled herself and is a disgusting reminder of how evil people can be. when it is an accepted way of life, what else do we expect? I would not trust a Muslim, and that is a sad commentary.

We are still friends with the middle east because, because…well, good question..we have more oil than any of them do…we do not buy the majority of our oil from them, so, it has to be political, or personal,pigs blood for them all!!!
Yes!, I am one of those filthy infidels that is for putting pork blood in their water system then telling them during one of their prayer sessions.

The US needs to have more respect for her citizens than to associate with, bow to, buy anything from people that despise us.

Fatima is a sad miserable woman in a sad miserable society.

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:26 am 26. Lynn:

I think that we are allied with Saudi Arabia because we practice the Islamic way of the Law of the Deceiver. With one hand we do good and with the other hand we do evil and Allah has told us that the one doesn’t acknowledge or see what the other does.

This is the saying; The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing.

In the case of the Hebrew Bible it speaks to giving alms and not bragging or showing off about it. In Islam is means that the left hand that does good(?) does not know what the right hand evil(?) does.

So you see it is clear. We have adapted the appearance of good because we can separate good from evil and are given permission by Allah to be blind to each other when necessary. In order to keep society somewhat orderly it is necessary to have moral police to interfere when the left and right hand get mixed and they make things clear again by beating, stoning, raping, imprisoning, hanging, and maiming and disfiguring. Women are a favorite target because they of course carry the shame of themselves around like dark shrouds always in mourning for the crime of being born a female. It is better they stand out like dark ghosts moving among the innocent, sort of like our old westerns, where it was so easy to know who the good guys and bad guys where by the color of the hats. The luxury of separating left and right, good and evil not a women’s privilege. Better she should carry her burden and everyone else’s, fair punishment for the dishonor she wreaked upon the world.

Surely the enmity of Allah for women is a fearful sight to behold! That other women agree is a testimony to this!

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:40 am 27. Poor Citizen:

For years the Republicans told us that the enemy was in Iraq and Afghanistan. In 2002 the neo-cons wanted to attack them and spend tax and spend billions to defeat them. Well, we are still there…years of blood and money, and it still goes on. The left was so upset with that, led by Senators like a OBama and others (with a couple of Republicans), they screamed forever trying to get the right to understand that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and Al Quieda is who the enemy was but that all fell on deaf ears. Bush and Cheney insisted that it was Afghanistan and Iraq. In 2003 nobody wanted to listen to the protesting left. Do we now admit that the left was correct?…only the long term will tell…

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:46 am 28. gracie:

26..lynn

are you serious or am I missing something in your post?

“Better she should carry her burden and everyone else’s, fair punishment for the dishonor she wreaked upon the world.” (and most of your comment)

If you are serious, I think you’re nuts, and if it is part of something that I am missing, please explain.

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:53 am 29. biblio44:

“Remind me: Why are we still allies with Saudi Arabia? Why did President Obama bow to the King who presides over such Hell? …. Yes, I know: The Saudi rulers oppose Al Qaeda who would overrun the sands were the House of Saud to ever quit the desert. And yet….”

There is NO “and yet.” You’ve answered your own question.

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:53 am 30. Shyannie:

This is such a powerful article. For years, I’ve been dismayed at the way American presidents have kowtowed to these fake Saudi kings with their ridiculous dyed beards and billowy 9th century attire. I agree with the posters who argue that we should be developing our own energy resources. The last thing we should be doing is encouraging their ghastly practices and attitudes.

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:59 am 31. Samson:

don’t hold your breath Phyllis.

thank you for keeping the pressure on.

regards

Nov 25, 2009 - 9:06 am 32. Toronto Girl:

I recently turned down a job offer at St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto because they (a Catholic hospital) did business with the Saudis. I was appalled. The CEO of the present company that I work for, the son of Holocaust surviors, recently appeared on Al Jazeera t.v. Dealing with the devil seems to be the norm these days. Further proof is that the majority of Americans just elected him as their president.

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Nov 25, 2009 - 9:27 am 34. John P:

There’s plenty of energy in other places like Alberta’s tarsands, so I guess the answer can be summed up as money and corruption. I also find that America’s association with S.A. demeans cheapens and undermines its moral obligations with regards to upholding basic human rights around the globe.

Nov 25, 2009 - 9:50 am 35. Jim Rockford:

George W. Bush had the chance to do something about all of this. He could have used 911 to bring about regime change in not only Afghanistan and Iraq, but Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria. The country would have supported him. It would have been easy. It would have cleaned up the whole mess — no more state-sponsored terrorism, no more Hell for women in Saudi Arabia, no Iranian nuclear weapons, etc. But Bush let the opportunity slip through his fingers and a few years later it was politically impossible. The U.S. will get another chance, though, when one of our cities is a smoking hole. We’ll need a different President though, one with guts and one that can make a timely decision in the national interest.

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:15 am 36. WALTERC:

What gets me about his situation, is the lack of complaint on the part of the women’s (or even human rights) rights groups regarding islams barbarity to women and non-muslim men. Just he other day they were complaining about the Burka Barbie symbolizing oppression of women, but not a word about actual islamic oppression of women.

Is it because no one has ever been beheaded by a Ken doll? Are they are just more concerned with keeping their own heads?

Hey NOW, Human Rights Watch etc. etc. get your priorities straight, women and girls are being killed by their fathers for not being muslim enough.

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:18 am 37. Mary Madigan:

The Saudi rulers oppose Al Qaeda who would overrun the sands were the House of Saud to ever quit the desert. And yet….”

The Saudi rulers consider the members of their al Qaeda militia to be their ‘brothers’. Like most families, they fight every once in a while, but in the end they share the same goals and attitudes.

The Saudis ‘oppose’ al Qaeda in the same way that Arafat opposed the terrorist murder of Jews, or in the same way that Queen Elizabeth opposed pirates like Sir Walter Raleigh. They express public horror for their actions while quietly supporting sneaky wars of proxy.

Some facts about the Saudi/Al Qaeda family:

- After 9/11, according to a CNN poll, 95% of educated Saudis supported bin Laden. A friend of mine who is married to a Saudi man and who taught in a Saudi elementary school, was horrified by the fact that all Saudis, even the little girls, were celebrating the 9/11 attacks.

- KSM’s first draft of the 9/11 attacks was begin with the hijacking of ten airplanes and to end with KSM landing the tenth plane at a U.S. airport and delivering a speech excoriating U.S. support for Israel. Bin Laden made some changes to the plan, but the idea of blaming US support for Israel was not coincidentally promoted by Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal as he stood over the burning wreckage of the World Trade Center.

- Saudi Prince Bandar’s wife contributed thousands of dollars to two of the 9/11 hijackers. According to later spin, she did this out of the goodness of her heart. She thought one of them had a cold or something.

- More than 45% of the foreign fighters in Iraq were Saudis. In 2005, Saudi chief justice Sheik Saleh Al Luhaidan was appearing on Saudi TV, demanding that all young Saudi men go to Iraq to wage jihad against the Iraqis and the Americans. As a result of this (and as a result of King Abdullah’s quiet support of al Luhaidan) thousands of Americans and Iraqis were murdered by Saudi suicide bombers. (the majority of suicide bombers and the majority of financial supporters of al Qaeda were and are also Saudis)

The American government’s toadying attitude towards the Saudis who carried out and celebrated the 9/11 attacks is not just shameful because of human rights issues, it’s shameful because al Qaeda is Saudi Arabia’s unofficial militia. When we support Saudi Arabia, we’re supporting al Qaeda.

The State department and various government officials like to say that our alliance with Saudi Arabia is ‘thicker than oil”. Since we get most of our oil from the western hemisphere, oil isn’t the most important part of the alliance. Our government also believes that our alliance with these Wahhabi extremists helps to maintain stability in the Middle East. Most governments, including Israel, are willing to publicly go along with this fiction.

Like Arafat and Queen Elizabeth, our alliance with Saudi Terrorism Inc. lets our government officials fight wars of proxy against the Russians, the Chinese and the Iranians. The Saudis are an essential part of the Chechen “separatist” movement.

This alliance is profitable for the members of our government, and it allows them to play expensive geopolitical games, but it’s harmful to the average civilian soft target. The only role we play in this game is “victim”.

If we don’t want to be victims in this war, we have to convince our government that their jobs and their careers will be toast if this alliance continues. We’re not allied with Saudi Arabia because we HAVE to be allied with them, we’re allied because members of our government WANT to be allied with them. They choose to play their games this way, and they can be convinced to choose to change their minds.

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:39 am 38. Freeq:

(if you have withe skin – yes, very racist! – and/or you comes “from the West” – yes, very hateful! -) “you must be” a bitch/whore/slut

Unfortunately, Hollywood has contributed much to that stereotype.

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:40 am 39. Lynn:

#28 Women in Islam carry the burden of their honor and their family’s honor on their shoulders. That is why they are punished when they or someone in their family does “something” to dishonor them. Allah dictates that women are of less value than men so that two women must testify to equal the testimony of one man. Allah dictates that women are the majority occupiers of hell. Allah dictates that women are a possession to man like a field to plow or domestic animal to tame. Allah dictates that it is permissible to strike women or worse leaving the ‘or worse’ up to the imagination of others, crafty way of turning a blind eye to great violence. Women are in charge of the morals of their people and that is why a man may be immoral with what he possess with his right hand the hand he wipes himself with or the hand he possess sexual slaves with or commits immoral acts with. Women are not given the luxury of committing immoral acts with their right hand while the left is holy. Allah forgives immorality in men because he is merciful but does not forgive immorality in women.

Geez, how much longer does this stuff have to be repeated before it can no longer be hidden.

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:40 am 40. ked5:

Bush didn’t sever relations, even though he should have. It was known during his presidency that the Saudi’s were supporting what are essentially madrassa’s here in the US.

However, with a muslim who bow’s to the Saudi king now residing in the wh, no way in hades will that tie be severed. He’s too busy sucking up. the brown nose who does not realize how much of a fool the rest of the world thinks he is.

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:54 am 41. Tim:

To cut relations with the Saudi’s all the Americans would need to leave Saudi Arabia which would be politically extremely difficult…I mean what everyone leaves in the middle of the night with no one knowing they left…? Oil and money…power…

Religion is an after thought because for the most part all the Americans live in their own area which allows the Saudi’s the ability to be blind to what they call the infidels while at the same time know they need them to help with the work and research of an for oil…

Islam, Wahabi…extreme insanity with no love, or so it seems…

The USA needs someone at the helm with the guts and know how to take charge…and Obama and his idiots are not it….

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:21 am 42. Real Deal:

Ms. Chesler,

I am confounded as how you can write articles like this yet still wear the blinders that support Islam as a “religion”. I’m sure the Muslim women you know are very nice people and not evil, but they are not true Muslims, the true Muslims women are those you rail about. They are the “faithful” not the women you associate with at feminist conferences.

Things like this happen because Islam is a soci-political philosophy wrapped up in a cult. It has all the trappings of what qualifies as a cult. Look at the laws/punishment for being an apostate. Islam also allows for all manner of evil to be perpetrated upon non-Muslims, rape of an infidel woman is no crime or sin at all according to Islam. Even rape of a Muslim woman is considered fine as long as you are married to them. This is not a few “bad apples” twisting scripture as you encounter in Christianity and Judaism, but rather Islam itself enabling and encouraging evil action by its true adherents.

You willfully ignore the nature of Islam, I just don’t understand why. Speaking the truth about Islam doesn’t make every Muslim evil, there are many good people who are mostly likely “bad Muslims” to the devout. I’ve known a few myself. I’ve been to Egypt with a Muslim family, been to a Muslim wedding, been the guest of an Egyptian General at his villa on the Sinai Peninsula. These were all wonderful people whose kindness, hospitality, and warmth were in my opinion unquestionable. Were they devout Muslims? I was young and had not the knowledge to determine whether or not they were or weren’t, but they were good people. Good people can be lead astray, especially when their religion allows for the forceful punishment of those who question it.

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:22 am 43. Marie Claude:

the problem is where did the Saudi invest their money ?

I read that like China they own many “things” (or states) in the US !

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:44 am 44. There is NO Santa Claus:

Why is America Still Allied with Saudi Arabia?

Because America has the best government money can buy. Thanks to the manipulation of petroleum prices via the Saudi-dominated OPEC cartel, the Saudis have lots of money.

There! That was simple. Eh?

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:45 am 45. blotto:

poor citizen: Are you telling us that AQ did not use Afghanistan as a safe haven and training ground? If that is what you believe, then you are off your progressive rocker. Did we not kill thousands of AQ and other Islamic insurgents in Iraq? Did we not dethrone a tyrant and Islamic supporter in SH? Did we not free 25 million oppressed people in Iraq? Did we not shut down rape rooms in Iraq? It might have been not the best run (read PC) war but it was nonetheless noble.

“…led by Senators like a OBama…” He was still a wet-behind-the ears IL state legislator voting “present” on everything. So how could he have voiced his opinion on the wars?

Nov 25, 2009 - 12:42 pm 46. Tristan Yates:

Phyllis – you do an excellent job bringing attention to these issues. Thank you. Saudi behavior is indefensible. I knew a girl in Kuwait, which is supposedly more modern, who was put in jail just for drinking. The USA is in a pathetic state in which we have neither principles nor economic independence and we’re digging ourselves deeper into the hole, following Europe’s lead.

Nov 25, 2009 - 12:49 pm 47. mr:

Ms. Chesler: your writing just shows me not only you are ignorant but racist toward muslims… if you think women are abused by MULIMS in Saudi Arabia you are 100% correct.. what makes you a racist and an ignorant hate monger is you shoose just to racist toward muslims… why don’t you take a trip to Utah where CHRISTAIN MORMONS force 12 year old inocent girls marry a 50 year OLD CHRISTAIN or since you are in New York, why don’t take a trip to Crown Hights where Orthodox Jews exploit the hell out of women and molest their own kids…or pay a visit to Vatican where the pope allows the catholic priest to molest a nine year old boy…if you do all of this then you are perfect but for now you are pathetic….

Nov 25, 2009 - 12:53 pm 48. blotto:

mr: I’ll be the first to attack Ms. Chesler and the last to defend her but this is one time I will. First, While Mormonism has its strange beliefs/practices, the girls are not gang-raped, beheaded or stoned to death for some kind of violation of their tenants. Muslim girls and women are.

Second, Can you cite just one example of a police report or news article regarding Or. Jews doing that to girls/women? I really cannot comment on this further. Did you see this on SVU or something???

Third, Similarly can you cite your resource for this about the Pope? I will give you that since the 80s the Catholic Church has been deplorably remiss in excommunicating these priests but I really doubt it gets to the Pope’s level. So blaming him is unfair although by your tenor fairness is not in your vocabulary. Anyway, the current Pope was not the Pontiff when these pedophile priests were hurting children.

Lastly, using racist anymore has no stigma because it has been overused by you and your lefty friends. Please call me one. It is meaningless. And ignorant presupposes Ms.Chesler does not know the facts about which she is writing, which is highly unlikely. Ms. Chesler is writing about Muslim girls/women and I am sure she would write about Mormons if she decides to do so. So aren’t you being a little prejudicial yourself??

Nov 25, 2009 - 1:34 pm 49. No Dhimmi:

“The United States is sitting on the largest reserves of oil in the known world. A MINIMUM of 500 BILLION barrels is beneath Western lands in Montana, Wyoming, Colorado and the Dakota’s. This doesn’t include current production, the oil beneath ANWAR, or all of the other areas around this country that we can neither explore or use because stupid green moron’s have bought into the greatest fraud that has ever occurred in human history – anthropomorphic global climate change.”

Nah, it’s not because of “stupid green morons” that we are not squandering our oil reserves – I think the Western powers-that-be have been deliberately sucking the Middle East dry and are keeping “our” (their) oil reserves for when the Saudis and the rest no longer have any oil.

Clever, if you ask me. Although, by that time, with the current rampant immigration, Islamization and Muslim reproduction, “they” may end up with “our” oil anyway.

Nov 25, 2009 - 1:58 pm 50. Laura:

“in 2003 nobody wanted to listen to the protesting left. Do we now admit that the left was correct?…only the long term will tell…”
…………………………..
poor citizen, the left is every bit as wrong as it ever was.

Nov 25, 2009 - 2:27 pm 51. gracie:

lynn,

the way your post is written, I thought it was your point of view.

Nov 25, 2009 - 2:29 pm 52. Mister Bumpers:

We have under our feet and in the coastal waters of the Atlantic, Pacific and Gulf states more then enough oil to last for a couple of hundred years. We also have a couple hundred years worth of coal, oil shale and natural gas. All we have to do is go get it and we can stop the import of oil from ANY Arab country as well as Venezuela. Given that much leeway it’s a sure bet that some smart and enterprising scientist, engineer or back yard inventor will eventually come up with a means of an alternate source of energy, something that is readily available, cheap and won’t harm the environment. (Personally I think hydrogen will be the answer) Then we can get the Arab monkey off our backs!!!

Nov 25, 2009 - 2:33 pm 53. exdem:

My question is why do we ally ourselves with any Sharia state not just Saudi Arabia. It is one thing to to try and coexist with them as best we can, but once we start sending our armed forces to support and defend them we then enter into a serious moral, ethical and even tactical maze of contradictions. The fact that nowhere in the halls of Capitol Hill, the Pentagon, or the boardrooms of mainstrem media is there any discussion of this tells me that as we approach the ninth anniversary of 9/11 we are still rudderless and drifting around with no real understanding of what we are up against. How many people understand that the driving force behind all Muslim terrorist attacks is the Islamic imperative to impose Sharia law everywhere. That would be the same Sharia law that our troops by their very presence are defending and protecting in Afghanistan and other places.

Nov 25, 2009 - 2:48 pm 54. mr:

Blotto: look at your analogy:
a 50 old Mormon male rapes a 12 year girl… that is somehow better at least she is not gang raped!!!! But raped nonetheless..

And yes there are many cases and the DA for Brooklyn and Mahattan along with NYPD have been are arresting number of orthodex Jews and getting convictions.. these are known fact. you can check into them yourself.. and BTW I have no idea what SVU is…when a corporation does poorly it is the CEO who is blamed as well he or she should be blamed and take the blame… Yes I am directiong this at the pope, they foster these disgusting behavior and shelid these people as well. you can agree that this is a fact and not something just made up by liberals… I have no problems with racist or racism… we all have some degree of racism in us… my problem is if you are trying to inform the public of women being exploited you should not just single out one country or one religion.. there are women suffering every where did you know in South Africa men rape 8 or 9 year old girls in order to cure them selves of aid? how the plight of women in India? How about women in Cambodia and thailand that are forced to sell them selves… how aout the explotation of young women right here in America? you see the problem I have with Ms. Chesler…. she is a dispicable and pathetic person who is trying to take advantage a situation that is already volatile… she is not intrested in plight of women… she is a hate monger and you should not give these kind of people the time of the day and BTW I am not a liberal.. some of my views are liberal and some are very conservetive…

Nov 25, 2009 - 3:09 pm 55. Mary Madigan:

if you do all of this then you are perfect but for now you are pathetic….

The question Ms, Chesler asked in the article was: “Why is America Still Allied with Saudi Arabia?”

mr, as an apparently hateful, spite-filled commenter you are far from perfect, but perfection is not required to ask or answer questions.

But you are incapable of even doing that. Aside from the obvious hateful tone of your comment, can you tell us how you have contributed to the analysis of this question? mr, why is the United States allied with Saudi Arabia?

Your comments indicate that you have no idea, you’re just pointlessly spewing bile.

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:07 pm 56. blotto:

mr.: First I am sort of in agreement with you on the topic in general. Just not about labeling Ms. Chesler in particular.

Second, I appreciate your passion. As an aside, not long ago, I got passionate about the Rivka Bary girl who will surely be killed once an Ohio judge allows the Islamic family and father to reclaim her as an adolescent. How about you getting passionate about that instead of what has already been ajudicated-i.e. the 50 yo Mormon man marrying young girls.

Third, no I do not agree that the pope whether current or past gave his approval-tacit or direct-to allow pedophile priests to desecrate the church. It was area bishops and cardinals who did the dirty work. I have no compassion for the church for not dealing with this issue.

Fourth, I know nothing about Or. Jews committing crimes.. So that I leave to you.

Lastly, as I wrote before, this is currently Ms. Chesler’s cause-Islam and women. Just because she does not write about other criminal and aberrent behavior towards girls/women in other nations/cultures, does not mean she is ignorant or uncaring. I appreciate what you are saying about the plight of other women and girls.

But the left has a propensity to defend, obstruct, aid and deflect what Islam does to and has done to innocent Americans, innocent people in general and girls in particular.

Islam is a brutal, tribal, archaic, mysogonist, cruel, barbaric religious/political belief system. When the left, who has made a Faustian deal with Islam, can bring itself to see Islam for what it is, then you can disapprove of Ms. Chesler if she still does not write about the plight of other women.

Geez, I am defending someone with whom I disagree with on many issues.

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:17 pm 57. Wallabee:

“mr” — this is the most ignorant comment I have read on the internet in quite some time.

What, by the way is a “CHRISTAIN”??? You repeated that twice, so I must assume it was not a typo. If you actually meant “Christian” then you have (at least) two problems: 1. Mormonism isn’t a Christian denomination, and 2. the Mormon Church does not support marriage of underage girls.

The group you are refering to is a heretical offshoot of Mormonism.

As a Christian, I don’t in any way defend Mormonism, but you need to get your facts straight. And you certainly have no right to malign Christians based on a non-Christian radical offshoot of Mormonism.

The Mormon church has denounced this group many times.

The assertion about Orthodox Jews is even more laughable… and that’s why you don’t include any examples.

As far as the Catholic church is concerned, I am also not Catholic, so will leave it up to Catholics to defend themselves. But I don’t think anyone in their right mind believes the Pope was at all aware of any molestation going on.

More important though is the fact that these things do indeed occur with total societal and religious approval in Muslem countries such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:21 pm 58. RRWest:

America is allied with the saudis for two reasons: oil and Iran.

Ever since the discovery of oil beneath Saudi soil, the west (and particularly the US) has fallen over backwards appeasing the Saudi elite.

The Saudis have had a feud on with Iran for longer than the early years of the 20th century, when each country was created after the colonial powers left. One is shiite, the other sunni.

Incidentally, the Saudis spend more on arms per capita than any nation on earth. Whats up with that I wonder?

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:30 pm 59. father:

Shame on America.The land of abortion and sodomy.Two million baby murders each year.How dare you speak Morals.Your double standard
will come home to haunt the young men sent to fight in the name abortion.God will cause us to be defeated.Why do you think the Our men
go crazy in these FEMINAZI wars?
The AIDS rate in every ISLAMIC country is one tenth of what we have in the U.S.A. The doctors who abort babys have no place of respect
in any islamic country.

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:55 pm 60. Nancy Reyes:

I have a question: From what country was “mimi” who was stoned to death? What was her religion?

Twenty percent of those in Saudi are OFW, mostly Muslims but over a million of them are Christians, who have to worship in private, with the knowledge that if they are raided they will be deported at best.

Also lacking freedom of religion: Shiite Muslims (even those who are natives of Saudi).

And if you think the Christians have it bad, what about the gays who work there.

I am ashamed at the west for ignoring this human rights problem.

Nov 25, 2009 - 5:19 pm 61. Jen L. Jones:

Just read today in an article on the Hajj (underway now and apparently getting rained on hugely) that the Saudis asked for help from the Centers for Disease Control to conrol the risk of H1N1 flu. I found it ironic that the rich Saudis couldn’t fund their own research and also asked for help from the CDC, most of whose employees no doubt would be banned as non-Muslims from the cities of Mecca and Medina. Large highway signs in the approaches to both cities divert non-Muslims away.

How much blatant discrimination would it take in the recipient country before the CDC refused to help? Perhaps the control of disease justifies some tolerance of intolerance?

On the other hand, how infidel would the infidel countries have to be before the Saudis refuse to ask for their help? And how cooperative would the infidel country have to be before its citizens would be allowed into Mecca and Medina?

Nov 25, 2009 - 6:04 pm 62. Oswald:

RRPWest said something about it:

I was under the impression that the reason we’re allied to Saudi Arabia is because the Saudi’s are against Iran. Indeed, I’ve heard the politics in the Middle East called a pseudo-Cold War between Saudi Arabia and Iran. You know the Persian Gulf? Everybody in the Middle East except Iran call it the Arabian Gulf.

Why is this important? Well, while Iran wants to see Israel completely wiped off the map, the Saudi Arabian states and the other Arabian nations don’t necessarily care because they’re all trying to make sure that their regimes stay in place. They don’t have the time or the energy to *truly* pose a threat to Israel, because they know that Israel don’t pose as much as a threat to them as does Iran- the Aryan, Shia state that is fundamentally different from their Arabian, Sunni states.

And that is why we are allied with Saudi Arabia- because it balances out Iran- and in doing so, protects Israel.

Nov 25, 2009 - 6:12 pm 63. gray man:

Two comments:
1st. MR
Mormons do not condone a 50 year old man having sex with a teenage woman, let alone raping one. Because some idiot reporter said it was mormons does not mske it so. I defy anyone to show me that in mormon doctrine. Mormons are no more responcible for ‘bad apples’ than any one else.
You’re talking out of your ass, ’cause your mouth knows better.
2nd. Wallabee
If you don’t think mormons are not christian, then you know nothing of mormons.

Nov 25, 2009 - 6:28 pm 64. Carol:

Well, we certainly can’t break ties with Saudi Arabia now, not now that Obama’s grandmother is a guest of the King and making her pilgramage. Perhaps afterwards….

Nov 25, 2009 - 6:34 pm 65. Brian Richard Allen:

Doctor Chesler is waiting for the recidivist, treasonous, lying, looting, thieving, mass-murdering co-serial rapist missus Billy-Bubbah Blythe (“Cli’ton”) and the sail-eared-simpleton pretender to what these days is passed of as a “presidency, 0zero, to verbalize their feelings-generated bowel bubblings vis-à-vis the barbarian Saudis. Whose barbaric record of slavery and oppression disgusts all civilized men and who finance and with the necessary and willing assistance of the likes of their “Democratic” potty, ACLU, IRA and other multi-national-terroristic allies, helpers and useful idiots, own operate and control the global trade in Wahhabism and in every other of evil’s Islamanazi manifestations — and in the projection of their shared psychopathology.

So far so good.

But:

Dear Doctor Chesler

Shalom.

Please do not hold your breath.

With love and fellowship from Brian

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:32 pm 66. Lynn:

No gracie, that is not what I think, I should have been more clear. Thank you for the benefit of the doubt and opportunity to explain.

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:53 pm 67. sarkis:

Mr. — what race is Islam, again? Bosnians, Uigurs, Arabs and Somalis all look kinda different, genetically speaking. So if according to you, Ms. Chesler has animosity towards the ideology/culture of Islam, the pertinent question is whether it is well-founded, no? In this case, to what degree violence toward women is ingrained in Islam.
The device you use for obfuscation is “tu quoque”, i.e. “others do it (too)”. It is irrelevant, Mr. Whether Mormons or Jews or watercolorists abuse women or pollute water supply is utterly irrelevant to whether Islam in its foundations has instituted violence to women.
Please note that anywhere where Islamic fundamentalism comes, Africa or Afghanistan, number one priority is subjugation of women and removal of them from public. This is a primary device for making teen boys crazy with hate (first by being reared by an abused teen/preteen mom, then by denying them post-pubery female contact) and ripe for jihad.
Another thing — it is a fallacy that we need to court Saudi favors since they have oil. They need to sell it to someone, and invest money in Western enterprise, and avail themselves of Western education, medicine, and of our defense of them from other Muslims. They need us, not other way around. Except they bought every politician and pressure group in this US of A.

Nov 25, 2009 - 9:36 pm 68. Mary Madigan:

I was under the impression that the reason we’re allied to Saudi Arabia is because the Saudi’s are against Iran.

We’ve been allied with the Saudis for decades. Saudi Arabia and Iran used to be our ‘twin pillars’, the guardians of American interests in the Middle East. Now they’re the twin pillars of terrorism, destroying our interests in every way they can.

Immediately after 9/11, our government gave us the impression that the Saudis were helping us fight al Qaeda. Then, during the Iraq war, our government gave us the impression that the Saudis were helping us fight Saddam. Now it’s Iran.

This is the game that our government is playing. The Russians support Iran and we support Saudi Arabia. We fight through these violent proxies because we’re afraid to confront each other – because we don’t want to deal with the nuclear issue. Instead, we supply nukes to insane, terrorist supporting governments. Russia has supplied Iran with nuclear technology, and we’ve promised to do the same for the Saudis.

When we’ve dealt with Iran, Russia will just move on to help another America-hating regime build nukes. I’d guess that Syria is next.

In our efforts to avoid dealing with a known quantity like Russia, we’re actually making our worst fears, of terrorists with nukes, come true.

Iran is problematic, but so is Saudi Arabia. The Saudi and the Iranian government are responsible for the terrorism and much of the anti-Israel rage worldwide. No one is doing Israel any favors this way.

If we choose to weaken Iran’s government, we’ll empower al Qaeda, which won’t help Israel or us. Therefore, if we choose to do anything to weaken the Iranian government, it would be in our best interests to also weaken Saudi/al Qaeda.

Nov 25, 2009 - 9:38 pm 69. Ort:

Mormons are NOT Christians. Mormonism is a cult. Read Galatians, where Paul says that if “anybody preaches another Gospel to you which is different from the Gospel we gave you, let him be accursed. I say to you again, if we or an angel from heaven preach another Gospel to you, let him be accursed.”

Mormons do not preach the Gospel of the Bible, which is the only Word of God. Joseph Smith was an insane liar, and he preached another Gospel and is therefore accursed.

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:33 pm 70. gray man:

63. gray man:
Two comments:
1st. MR
Mormons do not condone a 50 year old man having sex with a teenage woman, let alone raping one. Because some idiot reporter said it was mormons does not mske it so. I defy anyone to show me that in mormon doctrine. Mormons are no more responcible for ‘bad apples’ than any one else.
You’re talking out of your ass, ’cause your mouth knows better.
2nd. Wallabee
If you don’t think mormons are not christian, then you know nothing of mormons.
Nov 25, 2009 – 6:28 pm

Correction: If you think mormons are not christian, then you know nothing of mormons.

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:50 pm 71. Why is America still allied with Saudi Arabia? « Marylou’s America:

[...] Why is America still allied with Saudi Arabia? Why did President Obama bow to the King who presides over such Hell? Can we find no oil elsewhere, no other sources of energy? Do Americans really understand what goes on in Saudi Arabia? Are we aware, even dimly, of how very barbaric the Saudi rulers themselves are? Do we understand what it means to live in the 8th or 9th centuries? – Phyllis Chesler, Chesler Chronicles (more…) [...]

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:21 pm 72. Delia:

America has been a gigolo for ME oil for far too long.

The misogynistic belief-systems written by men for men I firmly believe was developed out of clitoris and womb envy. Not only did God give woman a part of her genitalia for nothing other than her pure pleasure whilst men have an all-purpose penis but women give birth to the world of humanity and has breasts to nourish that humanity. Men turn women’s bodies into ‘play-things’ out of pure envy. Woman turns against woman in a backwards patriarchal, male-dominated society. Women will always be mysteries to men.

That’s not a man-hater rant btw. It’s just that you fellas need to realize that many women-folk really don’t care that much about your 3-minute love-nub and please, put down the viagra!

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:50 pm 73. joeblough:

I’ve always imagined that the DC crowd decided a long time ago (decades) that it was cheaper and easier to protect the saudi dictators than to dispatch the military to protect our oil from the locals. Stability and all that …

I remember Jean Kirkpatrick talking about the difference between dealing with authoritarian regimes and dealing with totalitarian regimes. Her notion, if I recall, was that the authoritarians were distasteful but not necessarily monsters and in any case not a threat to us, whereas the totalitarians tended to be both monsters and a threat to us.

I imagine the DC heads saw the saudis as a local authoritarianism.

If so, they called it wrong.

They are totalitarians … both monsters and a threat to us.

==============

What to do now? There’s the question.

How about:
– Drill in Alaska and offshore
– Set up nuke generators everywhere we can fit one.
– Relax regulations on pollution and oil and gas related emissions

Personally, I would have liked seeing Mecca, Medina and Riyadh flattened on 9/12. But then, if we didn’t occupy the place the Chinese would have been on it in a heartbeat.

Unfortunately I don’t see us as having the belly to conduct a proper occupation at this point.

It’s a tragic lost opportunity. Civilizing Arabia would have positive repercussions that would be felt across the entire mohammedan population of the world.

One has to remember that for a large chunk of the world’s population, Arabia is the very pinnacle of prestige, the original imperialist power that gave them their religion and culture, legal tradition, even their personal names. A major humiliation of Arabia would cause hundreds of millions to question their values and outlook.

But hey, what the hell … Let the bearded bastards commit cultural genocide across the whole damn globe and bring everybody back to the days when the toughest brute made all the rules.

It’s just humanity. Who cares?

Nov 26, 2009 - 3:33 am 74. mr:

blotto: thank you for being civil.
Blotto what i love most about this site is to see how many un-educated high school drop outs we have in this country. this site just testifies to it. I bet you most of these people here drive Ford 150 trucks and complain about our dependence to Saudi or Iranian oil… look here simpletons let me give you a few fact:

1- I was born and raised a muslim.
2- I hate Islam, judaism and christianity with a passion. religion has killed billions and still doing it and it will as long as they can.
3- yes it is true that Islam is violent.

now that you heard first hand from a muslim that islam preaches violence let’s see why this is: i will try to make this as short as possible. if the people on this site would have continued higher education and studied religions and the economy, sociology, the way of life and thinking, the lack of the knowledge and science etc… at time which these religions were created you would see that everything they said and made up made sense then but not NOW.

since most everyone here is un-educated and hardly smart I will give you a simple example:PORK

see jews and muslims are not allowed to eat pork. why? because of Terignosis not sure if this is the correct spelling.
back then they did not know this and therefore they did not prepare the meet correctly and they got sick. so how did they deal with this? the relgion banned it as a dirty animal and according to Moses and muhammad they brought a message back from God not to eat this animal. this made sense then but not NOW. now we have the knowledge and know how to prepare pork and not die from eating it. so what they said centuries ago no longer applies today. you see how simple this explanation is simpletons?!

ok. we are making progress here. here is another simple example for most of you simpltons here. alcholic beverages.
it is forbbiden for muslims to consume alcholic beverges.why?

because arabs drank like a fish and fought like cats and dogs so allah sent a message to muhammad and then muhammad conveyed the message that god has fobidden drinking alcoholic. it made sense then not NOW. see how simple it is simpletons to explain these. ok here is another example and by the way i am giving examples so most people here understand and can relate to because of their lack of education. so here we go…
each seven years is the year of SCHMITA in Judaism where jewish farmers are not allowed to plant and grow any crop. why: because they confronted droughts back then they could not explain it so they decided to give the land a rest…. this does not make any sense NOW. so simpletons how do you think observant jews who go by the book decided to adhere to this BS 5700 years later in order to abide to the world of Torah today? now simpletons this solution required creativity and ingenuity!! one that only educated people can come up with.. not high school drop out… so are you ready? here is how they got around it. LOOPHOLE! in the year of SCHMITA jews sell their lands to muslims and christian for a year for pennies and then muslims and christians agree to sell the land back to jews the following year!!! see only smart and educated people can figure this out!!!
ok.. we are making progress…
now a few simple examples for our simple friends here regarding christianity..

celibacy: they decided back then having sex was impure “venial sin” so they told priests and nuns not to have sex.. see how stupid this is.. we now know that sex is a normal and natural part of human behavior..so it does not make sense today.. so simpletons you then ask me how does the catholic church deals with a phenomenon that they know no longer flies today? that too takes creativity and ingenuity. Money! silence! ignorance! and they also take out insurance!! instead of the church undoing something that is a normal part of human behavior they are allowing the priest to molest 8 year old boys or practice sex quietly!! and if they get caught molesting a little boy not to worry insurance will pay for it!!! or they would simply transfer the priest to a different church with their blessing to molest another young boy!!! see how smart they are!!!

ok simpletons now that we have established that what they said 5000 years ago that made sense then but not NOW. what are we going to do to counter this? let’s face it religion is here to stay. muslims,jews and christians who still go by the book and pledge to go by the books like muslims believing that it is ok to kill the infidel, catholic church encouraging priests to molest young boys by insisting celibacy and having Jews to sell their lands to muslims in order to abide by the torah? SOLUTION you will be shocked at the answer!!! I mean shocked!!! solution:

EDUCATION!!

you guys cam moan and groan all you want.. blaming Obam,Bush the center etc… nothing is going happen….

ok… another breaking news. this is not the 1940’s where we can go bomb nations and telling what to do.. get over it and get hip to it….
we need to engage not to this engage we need to relationship with other countries it is to our benefit.. Blotto: I am willing to start a forum here to discuss religion….

Nov 26, 2009 - 4:44 pm 75. Delia:

@74. mr:

Actually perverts/rapists/pedophiles will flock to any place that gives them access to plenty of their desired victims [women/children]. Religion is just one of many places those types gravitate to. Look at child-care/coaches/boy-scouts for example. Religion is often the easier route though because most religious organizations don’t require people to get a criminal background check to be considered as a member of a church/mosque/synagogue etc.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/w_harassmuslims_sis.htm

“Please take him away from me, for if there is one Satan present when one is in privacy with a woman, there are fifteen Satans present when one is in privacy with a beautiful boy.”

YUCK

Nov 26, 2009 - 7:44 pm 76. Annie:

…57
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‘THE CHURCH OF ‘JESUS CHRIST’ OF LATTER DAY SAINTS”..i.e. Mormons

We believe we are Christians…who are you to say we are not

Joseph Smith explained that Jesus Christ is the central figure in the doctrine of the Mormon Church.

Time to go back to that correspondence theology course.

Only the truly ignorant make the mistake of calling others ignorant, Because someone disagrees with you does not make them ignorant.

To kill someone in the name of religion is disgusting.

Nov 26, 2009 - 9:03 pm 77. HellenoChristian:

59. Father. Are you trying to silence sexual abused in Islamic Countries? And what about births’ rate in Islamic Countries and Communities? Is it high due to Islamic Respect for Life or rather for other Reasons (brainlessly multiply themselves in order to invade the World)? These are all rethorical quesitons: Islam is sado-masochist first, and then it is the most Hate and Death lover Ideology (so called “religious”, puah!) ever. There is no love for Love in Islam – sexual Relations included, giving birth to children included (confirmed by the many murders of children – usually females – joyfully and proudly carried on by their own parents). Therefore: please. Islamic world has everything to learn about Decency and Respect for Life by … the West. Check the Difference between 1990 Cairo Declaration and Universal Declaration of Human Rights: it is full of evidences about what I just said/stated about Islamic world and the West.

Nov 26, 2009 - 11:55 pm 78. Carol:

This website describes a burqa in a way that is beyond belief. Anyone know anything about “wisegeek,” cause this is quite bizarre.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-burqa.htm

This is not to say that all Muslim women find the burqa oppressive. Many women in India and Pakistan, where it’s not required by law, wear the burqa by choice. Some women in Afghanistan, prior to the Taliban, chose to wear burqas and were pleased by the new regulations that required them. Even after the Taliban was replaced, many women still chose to remain in the burqa. In Afghanistan, continued control of certain factions in some regions has forced women who do not voluntarily wear the burqa to don it again, even though they would choose not to wear it otherwise. Not wearing the burqa can be a threat to personal safety due to the possibility of punishment. The principle behind the burqa is that it is clothing that maintains personal modesty. Clothing that is worn as recommended by the Qur’an is called Hijab. In certain portions of the Qur’an, Allah’s words as stated by Muhammad are that women should cover their “beauties”: their chests, hair, legs, and arms. These should only be viewed by husbands and families.

Nov 27, 2009 - 12:15 am 79. Jeremy:

Don’t be silly. The US isn’t a dictatorship. If it were, the authorities would have told us.

http://areyoutargeted.com/2009/11/26/if-this-were-a-dictatorship/

Nov 27, 2009 - 1:01 am 80. Carol:

The main text in my comment @ #77 is not mine, but is a quote from the web site.

Nov 27, 2009 - 1:31 am 81. HellenoChristian:

mr: <>

And who should be the uneducated simpleton (and maybe intellectually dishonest) one?

How can one compare “Muslims are taught that kill infidels is ok” (which is true, this is their Scripture and the very example of their “prophet”), with “Catholic encourage molesting young boys” (which isn’t written anywhere in Christian Scriptures and for sure it is not Jesus-the-Christ’s example) [I don't know about Jewish teachings about selling their Lands to Muslims. I anyway know that at the time of Jewish Scriptures the creator of Islam wasn't even born, therefore "Muslims", those who recit the shadaha about Allah and Muhammad, did not even exist, therefore I greatly doubt Torah says Jews to sell their Lands to Muhammedans].

ISLAM IS NOWADAYS (AND PAST?) PROBLEM, AND I CAN’T UNDERSTAND (AND STAND) WHY (NEEDED) CRITICISM OF ISLAM MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY (ABSURD) CRITICISM OF OTHER RELIGIONS/BELIEVES/CULTURES/CIVILIZATIONS.

Can Islamic people or allegedly Ex-islamic people (like those belonging to “Council of Ex-muslims of Britain”) criticize their own Ideology, without abusing of others???

[I had a look to other Sites, one displaying an anti Sharia Rally by Namazie & Co., where they stated "their Solidarity with Muslim Communities, Muslims, and Muslim Immigration" - only, not with other Communities, other people, other kind of Immigration -, and they "rejection of the Right" - showing a total collusion with Ideologies rather a sincere interestes about Ideas and Problem Solving -,

an another displaying a video about an Islamic brainwashed with "Palestinian shawl", talking like an indoctrinated Islamic/Islamist Robot/Machine, and this on United States' Soil, where people is supposed to "fight against Terrorism", but the Land wellcome Terrorists lovers and give them voice to advertise themselves!

Shortly: I really do not have Hope anymore. Nazislam already plagues our Societies, our Lands and I see no civil/peaceful Solution to that anymore. They profited and still profiting of us, with no scruples - Islam must be declared criminal and Islamic people must respect us, our Countries and our Cultures and Civilizations. Period.]

Nov 27, 2009 - 7:18 am 82. HellenoChristian:

80. Carol: all right the text you mentioned wasn’t yours but … “free choice” when it comes to wear a burka – I sincerely think that – it depends on males’ Cehaviour toward women – not on females’ Modesty (hide oneself in a bier is a sign of Insanity and Inacceptance of one’s body/figure, not a sign of “Modesty”).

In Middle Eastern Countries one feels better in a bier since outside “the bier” she gets verbally and/or physically arrashed by boys and men, and the quickest solution is to bury oneself, in order not to attact unwished and evil attentions, by unsane and evil people.

Really nothing to do with one own’s Modesty: a burka is a bier where uneducated and evil and chauvinist males push you, and where you “willingly” push yourself in order to “escape” from those uneducated and evil and chauvinist males, without escaping – from the Country and the Region -.

For human Rights of women’s struggle and women’s/females’ Equality, “burka” is a failure, and the sign that Hopes have to be abandoned, while Savagism has won over Life and Dignity and Decency and yes … Modesty (their Modesty, that of males/youngs/boys/men).

I think Islam is the ideal place for Psychologists and Psychiatrists where to work: there is so much to work out there!

Nov 27, 2009 - 9:21 am 83. Watcher of Weasels » The Council Has Spoken!:

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Nov 27, 2009 - 12:12 pm 84. Madeline Brooks:

Another excellent set of books to read about the condition of women in Saudi Arabia is the Princess Sultana trilogy. It is the true story of a Saudi princess, written under the pseudonym of “Sultana,” detailing the pervasive misogyny and sadism Saudi society shows to all kinds of women, both Muslim and non-Muslim, very rich and very poor. It’s truly heartbreaking and nauseating. Sultana’s story is written up by an American journalist, Jean Sasson.

Nov 27, 2009 - 12:59 pm 85. Will:

That’s a very good question,I must say.

Nov 27, 2009 - 3:20 pm 86. gray man:

ort are you as stupid as you sound? Mormons use the king james version of the bible.

69. Ort:

Mormons are NOT Christians. Mormonism is a cult. Read Galatians, where Paul says that if “anybody preaches another Gospel to you which is different from the Gospel we gave you, let him be accursed. I say to you again, if we or an angel from heaven preach another Gospel to you, let him be accursed.”

Mormons do not preach the Gospel of the Bible, which is the only Word of God. Joseph Smith was an insane liar, and he preached another Gospel and is therefore accursed.

Nov 25, 2009 – 10:33 pm

Nov 27, 2009 - 7:05 pm 87. BettyBlue:

Gee, Mr. is a Moslem?

I’m shocked, I tell you—SHOCKED!

/Sarc. Of course.

Nov 27, 2009 - 10:32 pm 88. HellenoChristian:

Off Topic (but somehow not): is that possible to “investigate” or analyze or whatever you want to call that process needed to understand something better, the similarities between Satanism, muhammedan Islam and hitlerian Nazism?

Considered that

Satanism cannot merely be a “Movement” which is meant to be against the Church (Institution), because there would be other means to criticize it, and because Satanism involves gruesome pratices included rapes, murders, torture and so on, of innocent people, children included, which show/display Sadism, Disregard/Disrespect for Live, Brutality, Obsession, mental (psychiatric) Manipulation, …, which do not affect the Church at all, but which affect individuals/Beings,

and that (most probably) Islam/Islamist hates America so much because it freed the World from hitlerian Nazism,

and that Islamists show severe psychiatric Condition [Irreality, Obsession and Neurosis, unaware Aggressivity and Violence, ...] when they talk, and act, and in their very texts and teachings (thinking)?

HELP NEEDED TO WORK OUT THOSE INFORMATIONS/CONNECTIONS.

Thank you in advance.

Nov 28, 2009 - 1:37 am 89. The Ozi Zion Blog » Blog Archive » The US alliance with Saudi Arabia:

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Nov 28, 2009 - 5:58 am 91. mr:

hellen: I merely siad that Islam preaches violence.. this is a fact.. I did not say it was ok to kill infidels or anyone else to that matter.. and simply to say that it is not written in the bible that it is not ok to molest childerens that does not make it ok to molest children… the catholic church instead of accepting that celibacy does not work and ket the priest get married they are still 2000 years behind and instead encourage priest s tomolestkids rather thm getting married.. the difference between you and I is I see my religon as violent and try to do something about it.. you on the other hand are stuck hating muslims and islam…waste of time honry..
Betty: how come you are schoked?

Nov 28, 2009 - 9:08 am 92. Delia:

Celibacy should never be an ‘excuse’ to molest or rape anyone. That’s ridiculous. People who are pedophiles are mentally wired wrong [sickos]…it has nothing to do with whether someone can get ‘laid’ or not. There are men who are married or have girlfriends who are pedos/rapists/serial-killers.

Nov 28, 2009 - 12:33 pm 93. myth buster:

74. Priests and nuns were not told not to have sex; they voluntarily took an oath not to have sex, to dedicate themselves completely to God.

Nov 28, 2009 - 3:19 pm 94. erc rodson:

Oil and oil sands:

Little of Canada’s oil production is now from oil or tar sands. They have vast reserves, but production from most of them is not economically competitive with other sources of oil.

US has vast reserves of oil in Montana and the Dakotas, but it is also not ecomically competitive with other sources with today’s technology.

US has vast economically viable reserves of oil in Alaska and off our coasts. Yes,we should drill there.

Saudi’s know that their oil production is ultimately limited. So do other Gulf states. They are a long way from the limit, but it’s waiting. The folks in charge hope that they will all be living outside the area when that day finally arrives.

Okay, everyone back to the fight.

Nov 28, 2009 - 4:56 pm 95. HellenoChristian:

91. mr: first of all you are right, I hate Islam (this came by the time, knowing more and more about it, its Reality, its History – past and present -, and comparing it with a common sensed Ethics – “nothing new under the Sun” about it; Ethics, Spirituality and Religions, with their moral and virtuous teachings, exist since several thousands of years ago, all around the World. Just Islam seems to ignore, belittle or disregard this fact, in order to force its unethical, backwarded and Spiritualityless Ideology and Way of “living”. Maybe I should say its Way of “dying” – murdering “Non-islamic” people and enjoying “72 Virgin girls + young servant Boys” included -), exactely as I hate hitlerian Nazism and Satanism. [Maybe I forgot to add maoist Communism, which is appearently devoted to torture innocents, and which made Mao's face - as a Symbol - be compared to hitlerian Swastika.]

About Islamic people I know you are trying to portary them (yourself) as “Victims” and better, to compete with Jews, saying that “Islamic people are nowadays targeted as Jews were during hitlerian Nazism”. Ît is a long story and History of Islamic people competing with Jews, trying to portray themselves as better than the former, in every field of life. About the Victimism obsession, I have to point out (again) that Islamic world collaborated with hitlerian Nazist one, and that Islamic scriptures clearly talk about hating, persecuting and murdering Jews, and that nowadays Islamic clerics openly call for another Holocaust of Jews “but this time at the very hands of Islamic people and community – ummah -”. Therefore, exactely as “Islamophobia” is, “Victimization of Islamic people” is a Big Lie, too. Truth lovers reject both of them, and I love Truth.

Islamic people, as someone else already pointed out, are people colluded with Islamic Ideology, and it has nothing to do with Racial belonging, Gender, or other human Being’s Qualities. Protecting it by sugar-covering it with words such as “Religion”, “of Peace”, “holy Scriptures”, “Prophethood”, doesn’t make it less evil than it actually is.

Even sugar-covering it with adjectives such as “violent”, without clearly stating that it is “evil”, doesn’t make it more acceptable. The violent nature of Islam is unjustifiable, since it is offensive and not defensive, it is meant to loot others, in order to achieve Wealth at others’ expenses, and not to protect oneself. I hope I answered to the unasked question.

About Christianity, maybe I forgot to tell you to read New Testament before trying to compare it with Islam, in order for you (too) to understand that Criticism of Islam is needed, and there is no need to destroy every other Faith and Belief “just” because Islam is evil and has to be abolished. About Celibacy I agree with myth buster 93., and I state that Ascetism (that’s the meaning of Celibacy) exists since thousand of years before Muhammad was born, and it has always been totally justified. It is a choice, and – even if Muhammad couldn’t believe it – it is possible to live without “fucking” or “being fucked”.

I am so sorry that Islamic people are forbidden to get honestly, sincerely, deeply, completely interested in other Scriptures, (true) Faiths and Religions, because that would give them the opportunity to understand what (true) Holiness means – ****************

Nov 28, 2009 - 8:43 pm 96. Kay:

The true irony is that we have 20 to 40 times the oil SA has, we’re just not allowed to touch it.

Nov 28, 2009 - 10:46 pm 97. HellenoChristian:

(Previous message too long, not fully displayed. It ended by saying that unfortunately that evil called Islam cannot be healed by philosophical Means/Speeches, and the proof of that is that one – like me – who criticizes it is called an “hater”. There is no Love for Wisedom in Islam, which is increased by the ban of really Knowing about others and History, and of Reasoning).

Here about Sodomy, a dot which I don’t doubt is just one among similar others:

“Most of the time I insist on using a condom but with one or two more regular customers I will accept not to use a condom,”says Sharon Chemtai, a shy 18-year-old. Sharon really does not have much choice. In Kenya, like most societies, money and power lie in the pockets of men. If you’re selling your body for £2, how much negotiating power do you really have when the customer insists on not using a condom? “A lot of the Arab drivers from the coast like anal sex and they are the ones who particularly insist on not using a condom,” explains Sharon.” ( read all here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jul/03/aids.kevintoolis )

about child’s Molesting not just has been institutionalized in Islam (Paedophilia), but it actually happens toward boys too, where the Abuser says to “inflate his own Holiness” into the prey. Imagine how those preys (if they are abused in Madrasah) will easily find the Way do denounce the Abuser. If you get sodomized in Islam, by reporting it to the Police it is yourself who will be punished for “Sodomy” (exactely like a victim of Rape in Islam gets lashed and stoned to Death for “Fornication” or “Adultery”).

And you know, the worst of all here is that those Abusers have no ties to Celibacy: they get married, and ever pluri-married (Poligamy), they can – sic – practice Paedophilia, they maybe practice Sodomy in hiding, and “in case of need” they molest children, too. In case of protest, they “sign a (marriage) contract” and they turn the Abuse into a “legal” Act.

Nov 29, 2009 - 12:08 am 98. Marty:

islam isn’t a religion; more accurately it is a death cult that must relentlessly mass murder infidels in order to justify its existence. saudi arabia is the “nest” of the violence, followed closely by iran. the monstrosity that is islam has been at war with the west for 1400 years. It won’t stop until the rest of us recognize the threat to our existence for what it is: a seventh century totalitarian ideology founded by a genocidal sociopath that cannot tolerate democracy, the free market, or individual freedom.

Nov 30, 2009 - 9:19 am 99. Head Scratcher:

Uhm Phyllis, I don’t mean to overshadow the seriousness of Tiger’s blonde ambitions, but please name the women who, any women, think he’s sexy or physically attractive. The attraction is to his fame and dead benjamins, not his countenance. I’m sorry but Tiger is unattractive. There’s no getting around that. He is the type of man who is made attractive by his bank account and that’s it.

Dec 10, 2009 - 3:46 pm

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