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		<title>By: Belmont Club &#187; Don&#8217;t bother, they&#8217;re here</title>
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		<dc:creator>Belmont Club &#187; Don&#8217;t bother, they&#8217;re here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] position, provides an example of why I described his candidacy in an earlier as largely driven by a cult of personality. The problem, says Talkleft, is that BHO was really selling himself, personally, to the electorate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] position, provides an example of why I described his candidacy in an earlier as largely driven by a cult of personality. The problem, says Talkleft, is that BHO was really selling himself, personally, to the electorate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: HotList 06/28/08 - 06/29/08 &#171; The Real Barack Obama</title>
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		<dc:creator>HotList 06/28/08 - 06/29/08 &#171; The Real Barack Obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fernandez, Follow the Leader, Belmont Club, June 26, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/06/26/follow-the-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;...including acting as a puppet for George Soros – until the money runs dry.&lt;/I&gt;

Interesting that you only think the money spigot runs from Soros&#039; wallet.  I, on the other hand, prefer to think B. Hussein is much more worldly and has been bought by the oil ticks of Saudi Arabia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;including acting as a puppet for George Soros – until the money runs dry.</i></p>
<p>Interesting that you only think the money spigot runs from Soros&#8217; wallet.  I, on the other hand, prefer to think B. Hussein is much more worldly and has been bought by the oil ticks of Saudi Arabia.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/06/26/follow-the-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But hollow men, like horses hot at hand, 
Make gallant show and promise of their mettle; 
But when they should endure the bloody spur, 
They fall their crests, and, like deceitful jades, 
Sink in trial.
                                                     Julius Caesar VI.ii</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But hollow men, like horses hot at hand,<br />
Make gallant show and promise of their mettle;<br />
But when they should endure the bloody spur,<br />
They fall their crests, and, like deceitful jades,<br />
Sink in trial.<br />
                                                     Julius Caesar VI.ii</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/06/26/follow-the-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ledger:
Obama is the Hollow Man.
---
Jim:
That is correct, the ONLY reason I posted it was to discredit Belmont Club
I am a sociopath.
I am also schizoid, and enjoy the net for the exchange of interesting links,
some good, some not so good.
Everyone is free to ignore whatever they choose to ignore.
Dismiss what you want to dismiss.
To argue against unrestricted dialogue, otoh...
fwiw, I have contributed more links at this site than any other poster.
Some good, some not so good.
Such is life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ledger:<br />
Obama is the Hollow Man.<br />
&#8212;<br />
Jim:<br />
That is correct, the ONLY reason I posted it was to discredit Belmont Club<br />
I am a sociopath.<br />
I am also schizoid, and enjoy the net for the exchange of interesting links,<br />
some good, some not so good.<br />
Everyone is free to ignore whatever they choose to ignore.<br />
Dismiss what you want to dismiss.<br />
To argue against unrestricted dialogue, otoh&#8230;<br />
fwiw, I have contributed more links at this site than any other poster.<br />
Some good, some not so good.<br />
Such is life.</p>
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		<title>By: Ledger</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/06/26/follow-the-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>Ledger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The first is whether Obama has any principles at all.” –Richard Fernandez


None.

He is only interested in advancing himself to White House. He will swing like a gate when it is helpful to his popularity. He will use the race card.  He will use any method possible including acting as a puppet for George Soros – until the money runs dry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The first is whether Obama has any principles at all.” –Richard Fernandez</p>
<p>None.</p>
<p>He is only interested in advancing himself to White House. He will swing like a gate when it is helpful to his popularity. He will use the race card.  He will use any method possible including acting as a puppet for George Soros – until the money runs dry.</p>
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		<title>By: Sparks</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/06/26/follow-the-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like Obama supporters are all over the internet,talk radio,letters to the editor type media lately. Obama obviously has some top notch logistics people working for him. Unfortunately the specific comments put forth by the mostly idealistic adherents to Obama&#039;s cause  don&#039;t seem to enliven the political discourse. Instead, their goal seems to be to pre-empt and prevent  any congealing of a consensus among patriotic Americans of a factual appraisel of the qualifications of Mister O to be President of the United States.

McCain is not Bush!

John McCain is a surprisingly erudite man in a populist sort of way. When he actually has a chance to talk he doesn&#039;t seem so bad. What is Dobson&#039;s complaint against him?

Also the fact that &quot;The Powers That Be&quot; are solidly behind Obama bodes ill for him.

Forsake not the Assembling together of the Brethren. Today is Sunday. Improve your church; go to it. If you go there someone like you will be there. You!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like Obama supporters are all over the internet,talk radio,letters to the editor type media lately. Obama obviously has some top notch logistics people working for him. Unfortunately the specific comments put forth by the mostly idealistic adherents to Obama&#8217;s cause  don&#8217;t seem to enliven the political discourse. Instead, their goal seems to be to pre-empt and prevent  any congealing of a consensus among patriotic Americans of a factual appraisel of the qualifications of Mister O to be President of the United States.</p>
<p>McCain is not Bush!</p>
<p>John McCain is a surprisingly erudite man in a populist sort of way. When he actually has a chance to talk he doesn&#8217;t seem so bad. What is Dobson&#8217;s complaint against him?</p>
<p>Also the fact that &#8220;The Powers That Be&#8221; are solidly behind Obama bodes ill for him.</p>
<p>Forsake not the Assembling together of the Brethren. Today is Sunday. Improve your church; go to it. If you go there someone like you will be there. You!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Okie</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/06/26/follow-the-leader/comment-page-2/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Okie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anyone else reminded of the movie &quot;Being There&quot;?

Approaching the conspiracy theory level - there have been several items appear on the web lately asserting there is something hinky about Obama&#039;s birth certificate.  Perhaps the man put forward as Obama&#039;s father is not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone else reminded of the movie &#8220;Being There&#8221;?</p>
<p>Approaching the conspiracy theory level &#8211; there have been several items appear on the web lately asserting there is something hinky about Obama&#8217;s birth certificate.  Perhaps the man put forward as Obama&#8217;s father is not?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Fernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/021000.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Glenn Reynolds&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is all over Obama&#039;s amazing flip-flops in recent days, and quotes Ann Althouse&#039;s observation that she voted for Obama in the primaries because she knew he wasn&#039;t telling the truth about his Left positions and would change his stance when it was convenient. Then Reynolds talks about the &quot;rubes&quot;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
the &quot;who are the rubes?&quot; line has been a &lt;a href=&quot;http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/017688.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;running&lt;/a&gt; thing with Obama, going back to &lt;a href=&quot;http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/015922.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post:&lt;/a&gt; &quot;When it comes to things like NAFTA, there seem to be only two possibilities. Either Obama&#039;s anti-NAFTA talk is a ruse to fool the rubes, or his coterie of distinguished economic experts is a ruse to fool a different batch of rubes.&quot; To expand a bit: Either the people who believed the early-primary left-talk are the rubes, or the people who believe Obama now are the rubes . . . or anyone who thinks Obama has fixed principles at all is a rube. Your call.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Quoting an Ann Althouse commenter, Glenn Reynolds puts togethers the concepts of lies, rubes and cults:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
I think the meaning of &quot;rube&quot; is similar to a hustler&#039;s mark -- someone who believes things they shouldn&#039;t because of some externally generated desire to believe. There&#039;s an element of conscious deception, too -- a rube is lied to, not misled.

I think the rube factor with Obama comes into play on two issues in particular: NAFTA and the war. On both issues, you get the impression that he&#039;s making promises that he not only won&#039;t keep, but that he can&#039;t keep and shouldn&#039;t keep.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are two interrelated issues here. The first is whether Obama has any principles at all. Althouse, Reynolds and Greenwald -- from different parts of the political spectrum -- have raised this question explicitly. The second is why any reasonable person, seeing these amazing pretzel twists, would continue to vote for Obama on any other basis other than that &quot;he is the One&quot;. After all, they could hardly be voting for his positions as they change with the calendar, the results of polls and the fortunes of his pals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/021000.php" rel="nofollow"><b>Glenn Reynolds</b></a> is all over Obama&#8217;s amazing flip-flops in recent days, and quotes Ann Althouse&#8217;s observation that she voted for Obama in the primaries because she knew he wasn&#8217;t telling the truth about his Left positions and would change his stance when it was convenient. Then Reynolds talks about the &#8220;rubes&#8221;: </p>
<blockquote><p>
the &quot;who are the rubes?&quot; line has been a <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/017688.php" rel="nofollow">running</a> thing with Obama, going back to <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/015922.php" rel="nofollow">this post:</a> &quot;When it comes to things like NAFTA, there seem to be only two possibilities. Either Obama&#8217;s anti-NAFTA talk is a ruse to fool the rubes, or his coterie of distinguished economic experts is a ruse to fool a different batch of rubes.&quot; To expand a bit: Either the people who believed the early-primary left-talk are the rubes, or the people who believe Obama now are the rubes . . . or anyone who thinks Obama has fixed principles at all is a rube. Your call.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Quoting an Ann Althouse commenter, Glenn Reynolds puts togethers the concepts of lies, rubes and cults:</p>
<blockquote><p>
I think the meaning of &#8220;rube&#8221; is similar to a hustler&#8217;s mark &#8212; someone who believes things they shouldn&#8217;t because of some externally generated desire to believe. There&#8217;s an element of conscious deception, too &#8212; a rube is lied to, not misled.</p>
<p>I think the rube factor with Obama comes into play on two issues in particular: NAFTA and the war. On both issues, you get the impression that he&#8217;s making promises that he not only won&#8217;t keep, but that he can&#8217;t keep and shouldn&#8217;t keep.
</p></blockquote>
<p>There are two interrelated issues here. The first is whether Obama has any principles at all. Althouse, Reynolds and Greenwald &#8212; from different parts of the political spectrum &#8212; have raised this question explicitly. The second is why any reasonable person, seeing these amazing pretzel twists, would continue to vote for Obama on any other basis other than that &#8220;he is the One&#8221;. After all, they could hardly be voting for his positions as they change with the calendar, the results of polls and the fortunes of his pals.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peterike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Please do not use the term “Cult of Personality” with respect to Sen. Obama in future.”

Mr. Burns, my immediate New Yorkish reaction to that statement is &quot;bite me.&quot; How dare you presume to tell me what not to say? Typically Leftist of you, though. 

In any event, there are certainly personality cultish aspects to Obambi&#039;s followers, which is not to say they are monolithic in nature. And it&#039;s not at all surprising as Leftists have always worshipped strong men, from Stalin to Mao to Che to Fidel to Mugabe to Chavez. To whatever thug carried the biggest gun and happily repressed and killed people in the name of Progressive Goodness. 

Obama is simply strongman-light at the moment (and he has of course promised to stop the waters from rising). And then again, he&#039;s not in power yet. He&#039;s not even officially nominated. You will see, as things move along the dissenters -- those people still pushing for Hillary -- will be steadily marginalized. If he wins the Presidency, dissent will be largely shut out. It is already.

Of course, no one is being jailed for speaking against Obama. We have far more sophisticated ways of achieving the same goal these days. Already, and from the start, the media has been basically silent on Oblarney&#039;s faults and lies and background. They aren&#039;t investigating a thing. Sure sure, there&#039;s the internet and O is getting completely exposed there. Yet I&#039;d say, oh, less than 10% of the American electorate has the slightest idea of what&#039;s being talked about. 

The powers-that-be can live with that grouchy ten percent. The grouchy few have no influence, they have no power, they have no impact on anything. The uber-class, who once stood up for their country, are Internationalists to a man (look at the detestable Bill Gates and Warrent Buffet, to name two billionaires who wouldn&#039;t dream of speaking of themselves as Americans). Obama is simply the Avatar of this class. They recognize him from a thousand miles away. In the very same way that the sight of him makes my skin crawl, for a uber-classer he&#039;s as comforting as mother&#039;s milk. They know instinctively he will go along with them, because he wants nothing more than to be one of them. Whatever it takes. 

The truly scary thing is that the Congress is also now entirely controlled by these vile creatures, including most Republicans, at least in the Senate. Bush is partly of their ilk, but not entirely. So they only get some of what they want from him. Though they have gotten quite a lot, as the countless illegal aliens in my neighborhood attest to. 

With Obama in place as President, the gloves can come off entirely. The road to tyranny has been long and slow in America, but it has been steady, for well over 100 years now. There have been minor setbacks (the Reagan years) and some attempts to warn the people (as Ike did), but the march of the Left has never abated. Pieces are all falling into place. When the time comes, it can all happen very quickly, as these things usually do. 

Certainly, there are hordes of young believers who will happily put on the jack boots to crush dissenting throats. The historical irony is that many if not most of these believers are now upper-class members themselves. The revolt of the proles is a thing of the past. Because really, who in America is revolutionarily minded because life is so bad? Hah. Nobody ever had it so good. 

No, they are ready to take to the streets just to prove how much better they are than the rest of us. How much more advanced. How soulful. How loving of &quot;diversity&quot; (is &quot;diversity&quot; the first one-word oxymoron in the English language?). They will rule, well, by divine right. And Obama will be the personality they invest in, because they always invest in a personality. A perfect multi-culti bi-racial Big Brother who flashes that demonic grin while his lackeys cart you off. You couldn&#039;t have written a better sci-fi script.   

Am I alarmist? Sure thing. Though I&#039;m not even sure Obama will win. We might not be that far gone yet. But I do think we&#039;re nearing a tipping point. It could go either way from here. And goodness knows all the forces of darkness are pushing for Obama. The Democratic vote fraud alone in this election will be staggering, just wait and see (I&#039;m gonna have to get me some of that walking around money, because there will be bags of it in play). McCain will never win in a close race. He will have to blow Obama out (in reality) to win by a small margin in the &quot;vote&quot; count. I&#039;m not sure there&#039;s enough America left for that to happen. 

And those are my cheery thoughts on this warm New York Saturday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Please do not use the term “Cult of Personality” with respect to Sen. Obama in future.”</p>
<p>Mr. Burns, my immediate New Yorkish reaction to that statement is &#8220;bite me.&#8221; How dare you presume to tell me what not to say? Typically Leftist of you, though. </p>
<p>In any event, there are certainly personality cultish aspects to Obambi&#8217;s followers, which is not to say they are monolithic in nature. And it&#8217;s not at all surprising as Leftists have always worshipped strong men, from Stalin to Mao to Che to Fidel to Mugabe to Chavez. To whatever thug carried the biggest gun and happily repressed and killed people in the name of Progressive Goodness. </p>
<p>Obama is simply strongman-light at the moment (and he has of course promised to stop the waters from rising). And then again, he&#8217;s not in power yet. He&#8217;s not even officially nominated. You will see, as things move along the dissenters &#8212; those people still pushing for Hillary &#8212; will be steadily marginalized. If he wins the Presidency, dissent will be largely shut out. It is already.</p>
<p>Of course, no one is being jailed for speaking against Obama. We have far more sophisticated ways of achieving the same goal these days. Already, and from the start, the media has been basically silent on Oblarney&#8217;s faults and lies and background. They aren&#8217;t investigating a thing. Sure sure, there&#8217;s the internet and O is getting completely exposed there. Yet I&#8217;d say, oh, less than 10% of the American electorate has the slightest idea of what&#8217;s being talked about. </p>
<p>The powers-that-be can live with that grouchy ten percent. The grouchy few have no influence, they have no power, they have no impact on anything. The uber-class, who once stood up for their country, are Internationalists to a man (look at the detestable Bill Gates and Warrent Buffet, to name two billionaires who wouldn&#8217;t dream of speaking of themselves as Americans). Obama is simply the Avatar of this class. They recognize him from a thousand miles away. In the very same way that the sight of him makes my skin crawl, for a uber-classer he&#8217;s as comforting as mother&#8217;s milk. They know instinctively he will go along with them, because he wants nothing more than to be one of them. Whatever it takes. </p>
<p>The truly scary thing is that the Congress is also now entirely controlled by these vile creatures, including most Republicans, at least in the Senate. Bush is partly of their ilk, but not entirely. So they only get some of what they want from him. Though they have gotten quite a lot, as the countless illegal aliens in my neighborhood attest to. </p>
<p>With Obama in place as President, the gloves can come off entirely. The road to tyranny has been long and slow in America, but it has been steady, for well over 100 years now. There have been minor setbacks (the Reagan years) and some attempts to warn the people (as Ike did), but the march of the Left has never abated. Pieces are all falling into place. When the time comes, it can all happen very quickly, as these things usually do. </p>
<p>Certainly, there are hordes of young believers who will happily put on the jack boots to crush dissenting throats. The historical irony is that many if not most of these believers are now upper-class members themselves. The revolt of the proles is a thing of the past. Because really, who in America is revolutionarily minded because life is so bad? Hah. Nobody ever had it so good. </p>
<p>No, they are ready to take to the streets just to prove how much better they are than the rest of us. How much more advanced. How soulful. How loving of &#8220;diversity&#8221; (is &#8220;diversity&#8221; the first one-word oxymoron in the English language?). They will rule, well, by divine right. And Obama will be the personality they invest in, because they always invest in a personality. A perfect multi-culti bi-racial Big Brother who flashes that demonic grin while his lackeys cart you off. You couldn&#8217;t have written a better sci-fi script.   </p>
<p>Am I alarmist? Sure thing. Though I&#8217;m not even sure Obama will win. We might not be that far gone yet. But I do think we&#8217;re nearing a tipping point. It could go either way from here. And goodness knows all the forces of darkness are pushing for Obama. The Democratic vote fraud alone in this election will be staggering, just wait and see (I&#8217;m gonna have to get me some of that walking around money, because there will be bags of it in play). McCain will never win in a close race. He will have to blow Obama out (in reality) to win by a small margin in the &#8220;vote&#8221; count. I&#8217;m not sure there&#8217;s enough America left for that to happen. </p>
<p>And those are my cheery thoughts on this warm New York Saturday.</p>
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